magnetic field, or frequency?

 


Jaime wrote:
"My point is that 60 Hz magnetic fields can cause
  severe electrosensitive symptoms. Take for instance
  power transmission lines, a soldering iron or a
  refrigerator - both are devastating because of the
  elevated 60 Hz magnetic field they generate."

The point I have been trying to get across is that the fields from transmission lines, refrigerators,
 etc. are NOT just 60 Hz.  And that it is the higher frequencies that cause ES symptoms.

For example, in a school where Dave Stetzer installed filters, one teacher with severe symptoms
had her desk right over some equipment in the basement that generated a strong magnetic field.
She didn't want to move her desk.  However, after the filters were installed and the field where
her desk is no longer contained "dirty electricity" frequencies, she no longer experiences symptoms.
The magnetic field strength had not changed.

Jaime also wrote:
"I'm still trying to figure out whether dirty electricity
  is bad because of the electric field, magnetic field,
  or does it break out to an electromagnetic wave. It
  seems to be problematic even when there is no current."

Again, the point I have been attempting to get across is that both the electric field and the
magnetic field contain the harmful frequencies where there is "dirty electricity," and it specifically
frequencies that must be addressed.

What do you mean, Jaime, by "where there is no current?"

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com


 

 


 

 

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Sent: Tue, Jan 25, 2011 8:19 am
Subject: [eSens] Digest Number 2687


   
 
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Posted by:      "charles"            [hidden email]                                       bitje2005                  
   
      Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:35 am        (PST)    
   
                 

      We need the Schumann frequency (7,83 Hz) for living.

When the house is too much shielded, the amount of this frequency may be too low.
In that case a Schumann frequency generator may be helpful.

A Schumann frequency generator should br run on batteries, not on the electricity from the mains, because that way, it causes elektrosmog.

Astronauts do also carry a Schumann frequency generator with them.

The lack of it gives everybody a flaw, not only electrosensitives.
When you have enough, a general well being is there, but has nothing to do with electrosensitivity.
So, it does not help against elektrosmog.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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  Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 1:03 AM
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I don't recall anyone mentioning this company. It looks like its similar to quantum as it has a dial on it.
  Anyone try it?
  http://www.lessemf.com/schumann.html
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      THose meters are only 1 D.
They now have 3D, but they are very expensive.

Measuring with 1D is rather complicated.
You must measure the X-, Y, Z-axis, raise them to the higher power, sum them, and from the sum the root must be extracted.
So you need a calculator with them.

Therefore I prefer a 3D Gauss or Teslameter.
It is just *point and read*.

For amateurs, 20-2000 Hz will do.
Here a Spectran NF will do. There are several types.
They are not expensive, and contain 3D for magnetical fields.
And, very important, you can see which frequencies are present, which all other meters do not show.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: jaime_schunkewitz
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 3:23 AM
  Subject: [eSens] Re: Dirty Electricity Removal

Thanks Charles for the clarification.

My point is that 60 Hz magnetic fields can cause
  severe electrosensitive symptoms. Take for instance
  power transmission lines, a soldering iron or a
  refrigerator - both are devastating because of the
  elevated 60 Hz magnetic field they generate.

I'm still trying to figure out whether dirty electricity
  is bad because of the electric field, magnetic field,
  or does it break out to an electromagnetic wave. It
  seems to be problematic even when there is no current.

As for gauss meters, Gigahertz Solutions has several
  meters that measure beyond 60 Hz. The ME3951A
  is good up to 400 KHz. It even has a high-pass switch
  to eliminate 60 Hz from the measurement.

Eli

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
  >
  > We should consider what we are talking about.
  >
  > Now and then I can't help smiling when reading what has been written here.
  >
  > First of all, there is no discussion about what electrosensitives may experience.
  > Nobody can feel elektrosmog, because we do not have an organ for that.
  > But parts of our body do react to elektrosmog. That is for shure, and undeniable.
  >
  > However, many do not realize what the limitations of their meters are, and furthermore they do not realize what the exact origin of their elektrosmog source is.
  > The elektrosmog family is a very large one, with many tentacles.
  >
  > And one should consider the time factor for reactions. Many people do react to a DECT phone within minutes, but the reaction to a GSM mast may be delayued for many hours.
  > I do know people who react today on what they were exposed yesterday.
  > I know persons who do not react to a DECT phone (1.8 GHz), but heavily to a signal of 5.8 GHz.
  >
  > Now first and for all, clean 50-60 Hz does not pose a threat.
  > The danger lies in the transients. Those are the frequencies you do not pay for, but which are delivered to you unvoluntarily.
  > There should be a law that the companies are obliged to deleiver clean 50-60 Hz.
  >
  > I devide *dirty electricity* into two parts.
  >
  > 1. The *dirty power*, which is in the mains electricity net. The transients can be measured with a spectrumanalyser (I use a Spectran NF 5035 with a differential probe and 40 dB EMV preamp, thus measuring frequencies from 0 Hz up to 30 MHz.), the wellknown Stetzerizer meter and the Entech meter which goes up to 800 kHz.
  > The *dirty power* can be reduced with filters, like those of Stetzer (5-150 kHz) or those by Bajog (5 kHz-30 MHz.)
  > Be aware that the ground cables can bring *dirty power* into your homes. They are normally coupled to electricity, water and gas.
  >
  > 2. What I call *dirty air*. That are the floating frequencies in the air.
  > They may com from electrical appliances like halogen lamps (12/24 Volt), CRT Televisons, LCD and Plasma televisions and monitors, etc.
  > And now the smart meters.
  > Here no filters can help, because it is not in the mains.
  > I have *dirty air* measured coming out of the beams from mobile phone masts, especially UMTS or 3G.
  > (When these beams come to a wall, the frequencies can enter the wall, and also get into the mains electricity net, and resides there as *dirty power*.
  >
  > *Dirty air* can be measued. I do have special detectors with different antennas for that. When I have found spots, I measure them with my aforementioned Spectran NF 5035 mit special antennas and the 30 dB preamp).
  > But it can be detected with a HAM radio.
  >
  > 3. So the dirty power is measured as in 1.
  > And the dirty air is measured as in 2.
  >
  > 4. Now, if somebody reacts to 50-60 Hz, it is not this frequency, but the magnetic fields.
  > Overhere I measure from a Stetzer filter 3250 nT but from a Bajog filter only 140 nT, measured diredtly on top of them.
  > The strenght of these magnetic fields diminish with the distance heavily.
  > But, the influence of them on electrosensitives can be over a great distance.
  >
  > So, if your Gauss meter tells you that the magnetic fields are low, that is no assurance, that an electrosensitive person may not be harrassed by them.
  >
  > 5. It is my opinion, that we have electrical fields, magnetical fields and frequencies.
  > Although it may sound technically improper, I have experienced, that each of them may appear without the other.
  > It has to do with the controversial longitudinal waves, which travel over a greater distance than transversal waves.
  >
  > And it is the content of the information in these longitudinal waves, that is biological effective or not.
  > That is the reason why electrosensitives may react to very tiner, hardly measurable quantities of elektrosmog.
  >
  > Please have a look at http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina11.html
  > and scroll down to 18-07-2010 Powerplug.
  >
  > The first spectrogram shows the influence of a dLan or powerplug.
  > The second spectogram shows when it was dismounted.
  > The rest of the peaks are the normal *dirty power* which one may find in large cities, like here in Gent, Belgium.
  >
  > 6. There are two types of Gauss or Tesla meters.
  > The simple ones do have only one measuring axis inside, so you have to measure X-, Y- and Z- axis, and calculate the value accordingly.
  > It is easier to use a 3D Tesla or Gauss meter. That is *pointing and reading*.
  > For quick working I use a Professional 3-axis digital Tesla meter (16-2000 Hz).
  > For exact working I use a Spectran NF 5020 (0-20000 MHz), which  has a 3D axis for magnetical AC as well as magnetical DC  fields.
  >
  > 7. It is my experience during the last twelve years, that most people do not know what the really damaging elektrosmog source is.
  > Very often they point to a mobile phone mast, they can see, but also very often I measure heavier masts, they cannot see.
  > And boy-oh-boy what do I encounter in most kitchens. That is horrible.
  > And other sources they have in their homes.
  > Also there is a synergy from different sources coming together.
  >
  > 8. Samuel Milham has wrtitten his book *Dirty electricity*. Recommendable.
  > His findings were, that cancer was exploding in 2-3 years time (Breast cancer, leukemia etc.) by dirty electricity !!
  > (Not the 10-20 years they tell us.)
  >
  > 9. For more understanding of electrosensitivity see:
  > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina111.html
  >
  > 10. If we talk about lamps.
  > There are lamps that do have electrical as well as magnetical fields.
  > There are lamps, that are clean, but cause *dirty power* into the mains, but hardly *dirty air*.
  > There are lamps, that are clean, and do not cause *dirty power*, but a certain amount of *dirty air*.
  > And there are lamps, that are completely clean, but expensive (momentarily).
  >
  >
  > Greetings,
  > Charles Claessens
  > member Verband Baubiologie
  > www.milieuziektes.nl
  > www.milieuziektes.be
  > www.hetbitje.nl
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  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: jaime_schunkewitz
  >   To: [hidden email]
  >   Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 4:15 PM
  >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Dirty Electricity Removal
  >
  >
  >   Shivani wrote: "Many people initially use
  >   a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic
  >   fields of 50-60 Hz. This frequency is not
  >   what causes EHS symptoms."
  >
  >   You wrong Shivani. I'm hypersensitive to
  >   60 Hz - ever since injury from CRT monitors.
  >   I get chest pains and a headache.
  >
  >   Also, there are gauss meters that
  >   measure frequencies higher than 60 Hz.
  >
  >   And remember, Stetzer bypass capacitors
  >   only address differential noise - what
  >   about common-mode noise? They really
  >   shouldn't be called filters - a nomenclature
  >   for multi-stage in-line units which have
  >   large inductors and are grounded.
  >
  >   With that said, I use a few home-made bypass
  >   capacitors (Panasonic) and they do clean
  >   differential noise quite well into 1 megahertz.
  >   The capacitor generates a magnetic field and
  >   there is also causes some AM interference.
  >   I keep them as far away as possible.
  >
  >   Eli
  >
  >
  >
  >   --- In [hidden email], "emraware" <emraware@> wrote:
  >   >
  >   > I also heard cases where people got worse from GS filters.  Thus, we need to be careful before advertising GS filter until we have more information.  A few limited studies is not enough evidence here.  (If anything, we have a few limited studies on Q-Link, but Alasdair Philips who is helping ES, says he took it apart, and doesn't believe it can help.)
  >   >
  >   > My AM radio showed that GS filter doesn't fix the source's "dirty electricity" itself.  E.g., Stetzer filter does not cancel out bad effects of CFL bulb itself, which is still measurable by AM radio.  It can't justify keeping the CFL bulb.
  >   >
  >   > Additionally, 4-100 KHz range is not enough if the harmonics go into the MHz range.  I also read that it can make the dirty electricity dirtier:  http://www.emfrelief.com/capacitive-filters.html
  >   >
  >   >
  >   > --- In [hidden email], SArjuna@ wrote:
  >   > >
  >   > >
  >   > >  Loni wrote that using Stetzer meters increased EMF in her house.  Please share details about what kind of metering you used, Loni.
  >   > >
  >   > > EMF means electromagnetic field and indicates "the field of force associated with electric charge in motion, havingboth electric and magnetic components and containing a definite amountof electromagnetic energy."
  >   > >
  >   > > Many people initially use a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic fields of 50-60 Hz.  This frequency is not what causes EHS symptoms.
  >   > >
  >   > > There is a magnetic field in the immediate vicinity of installed Stetzer filters, but it only extends a few inches.  And the harmful frequencies have been greatly reduced.
  >   > >
  >   > > EHS symptoms are caused by radio and microwave frequencies.
  >   > >
  >   > > The Stetzer meters very efficiently reduce frequencies in the "dirty electricity" range of 4-100KHz in the electricty of the circuits they are plugged into.  They are not designed to affect other frequencies, nor can they affect frequencies of current on your water pipes, phone lines, ductwork, etc.  They do a specific job and they do it very well.
  >   > >
  >   > > To reduce exposure to harmful frequencies other than 4-100 KHz in building wiring circuits, other measures than installing Stetzer filters must be undertaken.  
  >   > >
  >   > > Shivani Arjuna
  >   > > www.LifeEnergies.com
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