low_emf: do you work for spectran?

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:

Hello,

I have the Aaronia HF detector II and have made also the experience
repeatedly that when there is high stress present the detector does not
show any reading which could be related to that as well as the NF
detector from gigaherz I have.
I tried to improve the situation with shielding in several directions
according to what I feel and that worked to some degree.

Randolf Weinand


> Also, the amount of messages spent devoted to discussing a meter
> which is not even available to the general public seems a bit
> absurd to me. After all, this list is supposed to be about
> people sharing their experiences about what helps them with
> their ES symptoms. As far as I can tell, this particular
> meter has helped NOBODY with their ES symptoms, and as such
> is not a particularly useful topic here.
>
> Marc

Well done Marc!
A good idea to keep this to things we can share and things we have
found helpful!
I agree that even the most sensitive of meters will not pick up the
complex way individuals react to their environment - better to deal
with the symptoms and if possible the causes but often causes are so
complex that identification is very difficult.
Especially agree that insults do not help raise the credibility of
the group nor do they make it more informative! If folks want to
insult each other they can always email one another not stick it on
the page!
Lets keep on track!
Ian

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I should note that almost every post you are readinfg
from "low_emf"
> has been edited by me to some extent. Basically, what I am
removing

Hello,

I want to make a point again.

There is this Stetzerizer meter, that measures the HF overload on wall
sockets.

But I have a meter, that measures and detects sources from 5 kHz till 30 kHz
en from 30 kHz till 150 kHz in the air.
It has an antenna, or I may place another probe.

I find a lot of sources that can hinder electrosensibles.
Remarkably, I found strange signals on my telephone WITH cord, which we
normally label harmless.
(I placed the signals on my website)
For the dutch telecom providers, I am regarded as *a pain in the ass*, so I
thought that my telephone line was tapped.
(The netherlands is the country where the most phone taps are placed; more
than in de USA!)
My wife had trouble working on my PC, she could not phone for more than a
few minutes, and she refused to eat at the nearby dinner table about 2
meters away.
I could only detect the signals by placing a contact antenna probe directly
on the display of the phone.
After removing the telephone and replacing it with another mark (which was
less sensitive), the complaints went away.

Now that I do live in belgium in a radiation low environment, I have
installed this telephone again.
But I could not detect those signals again.


My point is, that I can detect a signal only by placing the probe directly
on a display of a phone, which has influence on a electrosensible person
about 2 meters away.
Think about that!

I find a lot of disturbing signals in the 5 kHz to 30 kHz range.
But even the faintest can have a great impact on electrosensible persons.

So, even if you can not measure anything, that does not imply that there is
no harmfull radiation.
A lot of radiation goes beyond the specifications of a lot of meters.
And a number of specifications do not hold.

PS. the above mentioned frequency range belongs to VLF.
That is a range where the low frequency goes into the high frequency.

PSS. I am an independant building biologist, working along the SBM2003
(Standard of Baubiologie Methods of Testing).
I am not against any company.
I am against people who lie in order to make a quick buck.

Emil de Toffel of LessEmf.com has written here in the list.
It was always nice and correct.
He never wrote a lie.
He does not need to.

Electrosensible people do have a hard time. Many think they are crazy, and
that it is *between the ears*.
They need answers, and reliable answers, in order to survive.
I am a supporter for reliable answers.

Somebody wrote that last year taht in Germany there was stuff against esmog
sold for 52 million Euros.
Some people were arrested and put into jail.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Gander" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 14:13
Subject: [eSens] Re: Posts by low_emf

I'm new to this yahoo group so I don't want to make any mess. But I
must confess I do enjoy the posts about the meters, and also the
spectrumanalyzers. Although I have learnt superficially about all
that so far.

Personally I have used a meter during one day only. But it was
enough time to make some measurements. And it might help to know
where in the place you live are the lowest levels of radiation. One
cannot just rely on the feelings because I think we are just too
polluted or addicted to the radiation. So in that regards, simple
readings of a display might help. And also it is a good feedback.

jean.

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:

Hello,

I did not mention in the first post that I also have problems with plastics,
with psychic attacks from people and with static electricity.
This is a lot of stuff a HF or LF meter cannot measure but can be
shielded as well.



Randolf Weinand


--- In [hidden email], "randolf_everywhere"
<walkingthe@a...> wrote:
> --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I should note that almost every post you are readinfg
from "low_emf"
> > has been edited by me to some extent. Basically, what I am
removing not

Hallo Randolf Weinand,

static electricity can be measured very well.
Look at www.priggen.com

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus



----- Original Message -----
From: "randolf_everywhere" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 00:09
Subject: [eSens] Re: Posts by low_emf


> Hello,
>
> I did not mention in the first post that I also have problems with
plastics,
> with psychic attacks from people and with static electricity.
> This is a lot of stuff a HF or LF meter cannot measure but can be
> shielded as well.
>
>
>
> Randolf Weinand
>

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@m...> wrote:
> Hallo Randolf Weinand,
>
> static electricity can be measured very well.
> Look at www.priggen.com


Hello,

I know, but a good device is costly.
I live on a small budget.

Randolf Weinand