Hello All:
I have not found a PC setup that works well for me. Only use Ethernet (not sure if its properly grounded (how to tell?).
MACs are terrible. Acer Aspire currently not good either, also tried an HP Elitebook with 250 G SSHD (AMD radeon), worse than ACER. try to use an ASUS chrome box (now loaded w/ Manjaro) also bad but think it is monitor (see below) as using
Im getting really sick while in front of any of my pcs. even w/ external keyboard, mouse, and monitors...
As far as monitors which one? My HP Pavilion 22xi is really bad, Can I shield it? or buy a better one? who sells one? Is there an online list of EHS approved models somewhere?
Look fwd to your reply.
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Monitors are very hit & miss... in 2015 I went through 7 of them at home before settling on a BenQ GW2870H, which I tolerate *if* I run it only at 1360 x 768 resolution (not it's native 1920 x 1080), *and* I use it with a VGA cable (not the digital ports/cables).
I also have a recent Dell monitor at work that I tolerate, but again, I'm running it at the same resolution and with a VGA cable. Marc |
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I think the Dell monitor at work is the P2317H (23", LED backlit, flicker free backlight).
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Marc: Thanks for feedback, right now, I'm limited to HDMI, else have to purchase new PC with VGA port Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 10:39 PM, Marc Martin [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Thanks for feedback, right now, I'm limited to HDMI, else have to
> purchase new PC with VGA port Yes, I tend to purchase "towers" with available slots in the back, so I can add interfaces to see if that helps with tolerability. Although the PCs I have now still have "vintage" stuff built-in, like VGA and PS/2, so the only slot I'm using adds some USB 3 ports. Marc |
Marc: Do you find the older towers say from 20, 15 or even 10 years ado to be better or worse in terms on these issues? What about monitors? are the older ones including CRT models better or worse? Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, December 6, 2018 1:07 AM, Marc Martin [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote:
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It's hard to make such generalizations, as there will always be a particular model that is clearly an exception to any generalization you can come up with. For example, while I will agree that the "older is better" is a good overall rule, I think the most intolerable laptop I've ever used was from 1998 (I've had ES for a long time). And while older towers are probably better in general, I am using a current tower at work, and the tower I use at home is less than 10 years old. As for monitors, I do find that I do better with lower resolution settings and analog cables, so CRTs do have that, but I really find that my new-ish LED monitor is probably better overall when used in the way I'm using it (that is, not using it at it's full resolution, ignoring its digital input ports, and reducing the backlight brightness).
There are also issues with modern keyboards & mice, and indeed, I'm using keyboards and mice that are all older than 15 years. Marc |
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Also a key advantage with a flat screen monitor (LCD or LED) over CRT is that it is much easier to put a lot of distance between it and you, as CRTs take up a lot of depth and flatscreens do not. So I would choose a flatscreen monitor based on that consideration alone.
But it is a completely different type of radiation coming off all 3 of these technologies, as with a CRT you've got large magnetic fields from the tube, with an LCD you've got an inverter to power the florescent backlight, and with an LED you could either have a pulse width modulated backlight or not (I've only got LED monitors that are PWM-free). Marc |
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The monitor is a really tricky one. There are essentially four sources of EMR from monitors. Most of them you can reduce significantly if you know a bit of electronics, and the fourth you can reduce with some simple shielding.
I will list the four sources, and then give suggestions on how to reduce and/or eliminate them. Note: I'm not an expert. This is simply a brain dump of what I've gathered on this topic so far. I'm working on building my own mostly EMF-free computing setup using these principles myself (project duration unknown; 1-3 years). Monitor EMR sources: 1) Most monitors today input mains power directly into the monitor, this means the monitor will contain an SMPS (switching-mode power supply). SMPS are notorious EMR sources. This is most likely the worst culprit. 2) The LED's inside the panel itself will require a high voltage driver. Something in the order of 20-80V depending on panel size. This means there needs to be either another SMPS-type module inside the monitor to produce the correct voltage, or a converter circuit called a buck converter, boost converter, or inverter - depending a bit on the implementation. All of these alternatives produce wide-band EMR. 3) The monitor itself contains a computer, a circuit board, that processes the incoming signal and converts it into the current needed to drive the pixels of the panel. Low to medium source of wide-band EMR. 4) The pixels themselves on the panel. They are microscopic transistors-like devices the make up the liquid crystal pixels. My guess is this is a medium to high source of EMR, and very much depends on the panel. Reduction: 1 a) Buy a monitor with an external power supply. This will not always help, but it moves the SMPS from inside the monitor to outside the monitor and further away from you. 1 b) Requires electronics knowledge: best solution is to rip out the SMPS or throw away the external power supply, and replace it with something called a linear power supply. These create almost no EMR. 2) Replace the LED driver with a linear power supply. Requires a little electronics knowledge, but not necessarily that advanced. You simply want to power the LEDs with a linear power supply (something that is not switching). 3) Once you have (1) sorted out, you drive the electronics with this linear power, and then you put the circuit board of the monitor into a metal box to prevent EMR from the electronics. Requires some electronics knowledge, and some DYI work. 4) You cannot put the panel into a metal box, because then you can't see what's on it, but the second best solution is to use some sort of transparent shielding material. Either fabric or transparent film created for this type of purpose. Here's a guy that sells exactly this type of film for monitors: http://www.4ehsbyehs.com/rf-protection/LED-LCD-screen-protection-film Most likely this will also help reduce emissions from (1-3). As for the computer itself. If you are very EMF sensitive, it might be a good idea to go for one of these new so called Single Board Computers (SBC). They are tiny computers with very low power consumption, but they can still drive a 4k display at 30fps. The advantage is you can easily put the whole computer into a metal box, and thus reduce EMR significantly. Since the power consumption is low, it also helps to reduce the EMR in the first place. Some examples: SBCs: https://www.google.fi/search?q=single+board+windows+computer Fanless Mini PC SSD clients: https://www.aliexpress.com/af/category/70803003.html As for mouse and keyboard, I'm still waiting for some manufacturer to bring us fully optical solutions: http://es-forum.com/Completely-EMF-free-mouse-it-exists-if-you-can-afford-it-tp4033112.html |
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