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looking for some advice for my EMF issues and computer setup

ronaldaveling
hello all,

firstly thanks so much for all the wonderful contributions you make to this forum!

i am coming to the increasing knowledge that i have sensitivity issues with electricity. i have just moved to LA from remote AZ and am finding it difficult to stay well already in such a large metropolis.

i need to make better choices with my computer setup and am looking for some advice.

my current setup is:


  Model Name: MacBook Pro
  Model Identifier: MacBookPro3,1
  Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
  Processor Speed: 2.6 GHz

its the big old 17" one… a big of a monster magneto in my opinion!

i am running a bluetooth trackpad and a USB wired keyboard currently.
my most immediate problem is touching the laptop.. i feel tingles and numbness almost immediately when i touch it. using the bluetooth helps with this as i don't have to touch it as much but i also know that the bluetooth is not ideal also.

what is the ideal kind of setup for electrosensitivity? there are so many posts on this forum that address it in some ways but i'm unable to spend hours looking at the screen right now.

here are my possible future purchases and questions i have.

* buying a new laptop (like macbook air, or a smaller netbook)
* buying a macbook mini and using some kind of screen or projector (any advice here?)
* getting a bluetooth keyboard - or somehow improving what i have to touch.  
* getting a screen protector from lessemf?
* i have a grounding tool but i don't notice a lot of difference personally..

also: is there anybody in the LA area who would like to meet up? i'd love to see what some people do to protect themselves from the EMF issues and would be happy to bring some delicious raw vegan food in exchange! if anybody has access to a gauss meter in LA i'd love to test my setup somehow!!

ok thanks in advance and blessings to you all~*
Ronald








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Re: looking for some advice for my EMF issues and computer setup

Marc Martin
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On December  3, ronaldaveling <[hidden email]> wrote:
> what is the ideal kind of setup for electrosensitivity?

It's hard to generalize any advice about computers, as people
have different sensitivities and computers have a variety of
different EMF characteristics.

I know that some people here use laptop computers, and
say that if you use them while they are running on batteries
it is better than using them hooked up to the charger.

I personally prefer desktop computers with a separate keyboard,
mouse, and monitor, as you then have more flexibility to move
things away from you (and try out various components to
find the ideal setup for you)

I suppose some kind of rear projector would be great for a
"monitor", although that would require a lot of space and
money.  I prefer to just use HDTV sets as computer monitors.

And I'd think that you would (if possible) avoid Bluetooth
and Wi-Fi.

I never found that a screen protector made enough difference
to continue using one.

Marc
 
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Re: looking for some advice for my EMF issues and computer setup

Cheryl Griffing-2
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Hi Ronald,

As soon as I saw you were living in L.A. the first thing I thought of was having a meetup! I too am in L.A. Pico Rivera. I was delighted to see as I read your email to the end that you were interested in that too! I have been wanting to do this for some time now. Sorry, I don't have a meter...

Where in LA. are you?

Cheryl

--- On Mon, 12/3/12, ronaldaveling <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: ronaldaveling <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] looking for some advice for my EMF issues and computer setup
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, December 3, 2012, 12:04 PM
















 



 


   
     
     
      hello all,



firstly thanks so much for all the wonderful contributions you make to this forum!



i am coming to the increasing knowledge that i have sensitivity issues with electricity. i have just moved to LA from remote AZ and am finding it difficult to stay well already in such a large metropolis.



i need to make better choices with my computer setup and am looking for some advice.



my current setup is:



Model Name: MacBook Pro

  Model Identifier: MacBookPro3,1

  Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo

  Processor Speed: 2.6 GHz



its the big old 17" one… a big of a monster magneto in my opinion!



i am running a bluetooth trackpad and a USB wired keyboard currently.

my most immediate problem is touching the laptop.. i feel tingles and numbness almost immediately when i touch it. using the bluetooth helps with this as i don't have to touch it as much but i also know that the bluetooth is not ideal also.



what is the ideal kind of setup for electrosensitivity? there are so many posts on this forum that address it in some ways but i'm unable to spend hours looking at the screen right now.



here are my possible future purchases and questions i have.



* buying a new laptop (like macbook air, or a smaller netbook)

* buying a macbook mini and using some kind of screen or projector (any advice here?)

* getting a bluetooth keyboard - or somehow improving what i have to touch.  

* getting a screen protector from lessemf?

* i have a grounding tool but i don't notice a lot of difference personally..



also: is there anybody in the LA area who would like to meet up? i'd love to see what some people do to protect themselves from the EMF issues and would be happy to bring some delicious raw vegan food in exchange! if anybody has access to a gauss meter in LA i'd love to test my setup somehow!!



ok thanks in advance and blessings to you all~*

Ronald





   
     

   
   






 










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Re: looking for some advice for my EMF issues and computer setup

Patricia
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macs are very low EMF when run without wireless
but i use ethernet and got rid of all bluetooth.  
i use an aluminum keyboard with my iMac and also  
when i used a laptop on a daily basis, i used a USB
keyboard, not the computer keyboard.  these days
i only use my laptop one evening a week and i keep
it at arm's length.  i use it with wifi and it's a little
stressful for me... closer to the modem is worse,
of course.  

the higher than room level EMF level drops off of the
iMac at 4" and is only slightly elevated at 10" away.  
my macbook pro is pretty high all over its pretty
little self, but is pretty clean beyond its boundaries.  
the left side of the keyboard - both above and
below, is the highest hot spot.  i never put it on my
lap.  :)  

i also make sure to push all the cords, transformers,
etc as far away as possible.  

love, patricia



--- In [hidden email], "ronaldaveling" <luma.chroma@...> wrote:

>
> hello all,
>
> firstly thanks so much for all the wonderful contributions you make to this forum!
>
> i am coming to the increasing knowledge that i have sensitivity issues with electricity. i have just moved to LA from remote AZ and am finding it difficult to stay well already in such a large metropolis.
>
> i need to make better choices with my computer setup and am looking for some advice.
>
> my current setup is:
>
>
>   Model Name: MacBook Pro
>   Model Identifier: MacBookPro3,1
>   Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
>   Processor Speed: 2.6 GHz
>
> its the big old 17" one… a big of a monster magneto in my opinion!
>
> i am running a bluetooth trackpad and a USB wired keyboard currently.
> my most immediate problem is touching the laptop.. i feel tingles and numbness almost immediately when i touch it. using the bluetooth helps with this as i don't have to touch it as much but i also know that the bluetooth is not ideal also.
>
> what is the ideal kind of setup for electrosensitivity? there are so many posts on this forum that address it in some ways but i'm unable to spend hours looking at the screen right now.
>
> here are my possible future purchases and questions i have.
>
> * buying a new laptop (like macbook air, or a smaller netbook)
> * buying a macbook mini and using some kind of screen or projector (any advice here?)
> * getting a bluetooth keyboard - or somehow improving what i have to touch.  
> * getting a screen protector from lessemf?
> * i have a grounding tool but i don't notice a lot of difference personally..
>
> also: is there anybody in the LA area who would like to meet up? i'd love to see what some people do to protect themselves from the EMF issues and would be happy to bring some delicious raw vegan food in exchange! if anybody has access to a gauss meter in LA i'd love to test my setup somehow!!
>
> ok thanks in advance and blessings to you all~*
> Ronald
>


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Re: looking for some advice for my EMF issues and computer setup

Eleccor
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Hi Ronald,
I just took the Maine smart meter/ EMF survey - the guy Ronald who set it up shares this info on his site - full article: http://www.conradbiologic.com/articles/%20LowEMFComputing.html

I just installed stereopsis.com screen dimming program but don't know if this is dimmer switch-moderated and make my symptoms worse? As Conrad promotes 100% backlight below.

"Use a laptop or monitor screen only at full brightness, since brightness reduction usually brings a dimmer-switching circuit into play which generates much more EMF. When a laptop backlight is set to a lower than full brightness setting, the RF emissions usually increase noticably. For this reason, set the backlight intensity to 100%, and if this is too bright for your eyes, either use sunglasses or put a filter in front of the screen, or just increase room brightness to compensate. This dimmer-switch effect may not be true for all screens, but can be checked out with an AM radio as a RF sensor.

Using an external keyboard and mouse is usually better than keeping your hands directly on the laptop. The old-style mechanical roller-ball mouse or trackball usually has less emissions than the modern optical mice. Keyboards vary widely in their emissions (they all contain their own microprocessors). The Macally IceKey may be better than most. Do not use WiFi or any other wireless devices."
Renee

--- In [hidden email], "ronaldaveling" <luma.chroma@...> wrote:

>
> hello all,
>
> firstly thanks so much for all the wonderful contributions you make to this forum!
>
> i am coming to the increasing knowledge that i have sensitivity issues with electricity. i have just moved to LA from remote AZ and am finding it difficult to stay well already in such a large metropolis.
>
> i need to make better choices with my computer setup and am looking for some advice.
>
> my current setup is:
>
>
>   Model Name: MacBook Pro
>   Model Identifier: MacBookPro3,1
>   Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
>   Processor Speed: 2.6 GHz
>
> its the big old 17" one… a big of a monster magneto in my opinion!
>
> i am running a bluetooth trackpad and a USB wired keyboard currently.
> my most immediate problem is touching the laptop.. i feel tingles and numbness almost immediately when i touch it. using the bluetooth helps with this as i don't have to touch it as much but i also know that the bluetooth is not ideal also.
>
> what is the ideal kind of setup for electrosensitivity? there are so many posts on this forum that address it in some ways but i'm unable to spend hours looking at the screen right now.
>
> here are my possible future purchases and questions i have.
>
> * buying a new laptop (like macbook air, or a smaller netbook)
> * buying a macbook mini and using some kind of screen or projector (any advice here?)
> * getting a bluetooth keyboard - or somehow improving what i have to touch.  
> * getting a screen protector from lessemf?
> * i have a grounding tool but i don't notice a lot of difference personally..
>
> also: is there anybody in the LA area who would like to meet up? i'd love to see what some people do to protect themselves from the EMF issues and would be happy to bring some delicious raw vegan food in exchange! if anybody has access to a gauss meter in LA i'd love to test my setup somehow!!
>
> ok thanks in advance and blessings to you all~*
> Ronald
>


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Re: full backlight

Marc Martin
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On December  6, iamhamsa <[hidden email]> wrote:
> As Conrad promotes 100% backlight below.
>
> "Use a laptop or monitor screen only at full brightness

Note that's just one person's opinion -- I run all LCD monitors
and TV sets at the lowest backlight setting I can.  And I feel
better doing so.

So I think that opinion to run everything at 100% is nuts.  :-)

Marc
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Eleccor
Yes Marc - it's Conrad's opinion, as in his experience he has major issues with flickering. And on his site he reinforces that everyone's symptoms may present unique to them.
I am only sharing this as one consideration that Ronald may entertain for answers he seeks.  That's the whole idea of this forum right? To share info and various approaches about what possibly works/feels better.
But calling it nuts? Wasn't nuts for Conrad, maybe would not be so for Ronald or others either.  Just because it doesn't work for you no need to judge it.
R


--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

>
> On December  6, iamhamsa <iamhamsa@...> wrote:
> > As Conrad promotes 100% backlight below.
> >
> > "Use a laptop or monitor screen only at full brightness
>
> Note that's just one person's opinion -- I run all LCD monitors
> and TV sets at the lowest backlight setting I can.  And I feel
> better doing so.
>
> So I think that opinion to run everything at 100% is nuts.  :-)
>
> Marc
>


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Marc Martin
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True -- the suggestion should be to experiment with the backlight setting, and
see if turning it up/down makes any difference in your symptoms.  :-)

Marc



On December  7, iamhamsa <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yes Marc - it's Conrad's opinion, as in his experience he has major issues with flickering. And on his site he reinforces that everyone's symptoms may present unique to them.
> I am only sharing this as one consideration that Ronald may entertain for answers he seeks.  That's the whole idea of this forum right? To share info and various approaches about what possibly works/feels better.
> But calling it nuts? Wasn't nuts for Conrad, maybe would not be so for Ronald or others either.  Just because it doesn't work for you no need to judge it.
> R
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
> >
> > On December  6, iamhamsa <iamhamsa@...> wrote:
> > > As Conrad promotes 100% backlight below.
> > >
> > > "Use a laptop or monitor screen only at full brightness
> >
> > Note that's just one person's opinion -- I run all LCD monitors
> > and TV sets at the lowest backlight setting I can.  And I feel
> > better doing so.
> >
> > So I think that opinion to run everything at 100% is nuts.  :-)
> >
> > Marc
> >
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Svetaswan-2
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--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

>
> On December  6, iamhamsa <iamhamsa@...> wrote:
> > As Conrad promotes 100% backlight below.
> >
> > "Use a laptop or monitor screen only at full brightness
>
> Note that's just one person's opinion -- I run all LCD monitors
> and TV sets at the lowest backlight setting I can.  And I feel
> better doing so.
>
> So I think that opinion to run everything at 100% is nuts.  :-)
>
> Marc
>


Well, not everything - just the backlight. :)  For the past few years - ever since encountering Richard Conrad's advice - I've made sure to run the backlight of monitors and LCD TVs at full-brightness.  It seems that I've often noticed increased radiation when I've tried to turn the backlight down - or increased *something* that made me more uncomfortable.  Was this a psychosomatic response based on what I expected to happen?  I don't think so.

Believe me - there have been times when I wished I could turn the backlight lower - but doing so made me uncomfortable.  For ex., when I briefly had a Toshiba LCD TV (CCFL backlighted) - I found that running the backlights at 100% greatly contributed to sweltering heat in my bedroom - my room became an oven.  So I tried turning the backlights down, but I soon became quite uncomfortable from the resulting radiation.  I somehow doubt that this was entirely psychosomatic.

But you're right - it just may depend on the person's individual sensitivities....we are not all alike when it comes to what exactly provokes our symptoms.  And I suppose that not all devices will be alike:  one device may bother a person when the backlight is lowered to less than 100%, while another device may allow one to comfortably lower the backlight.  For example - the backlights of many Apple products may be "safe" to lower to less than 100% - at least from a symptoms standpoint.  I'm not sure of this - but from my brief exposures to Apple products, it seemed that their backlights may have bothered me less when I dimmed them (now, if only the rest of their computers/devices were more tolerable!).

And even when I feel the need to keep the backlight at 100%, I don't feel the need to keep *everything* at 100%.  I will lower brightness (which, as you know, is different from backlight when it comes to TVs), contrast...I will turn off "dynamic contrast", and lower or turn off anything else I can.  

~Svetaswan


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Marc Martin
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On July 26, svetaswan <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Well, not everything - just the backlight. :)  For the past few years - ever since
> encountering Richard Conrad's advice - I've made sure to run the backlight of
> monitors and LCD TVs at full-brightness.  I

It is interesting that there seem to be two types of people -- ones that do best
with the backlight at 100%, and others who do best with the backlight dimmed
as much as possible.

For me, I've verified this on several different LCD (florescent backlight) monitors,
so I don't think it changes with the monitor.  Can't really say for LED backlights,
as I don't have much experience with these.

Marc