incense and red candles... EMF disipation??

Dear folks,

I also wanted commenting on these two phenomena I have observed
while protecting my self from EMF.

I came up with the solution in both of my two last appartments of
lighting up red candles (the color of harmony according to a witch)
and incense for attenuating the EMF.

I have to say that in both appartments I have been which both were
different EMF stuff, they worked, specially the first times I tried
them. I clearly feel they attenuate the EMF, specially the first
trials.

The downside is that to me incense and candles are toxic... due to
the smoke and negative ion depletion... to bad.
But it remains interesting the fact that they have an effect on EMF.

Have anyone tried this?? or have an explanation for this phenomena.
I guess EMF stuff is a bridge between the tangible and the intagible

Flavio

Hi Flavio,

I happened to use incense recently in my home, to cleanup bad energy that
exists from my house being a disasterous mess after being disfunctional for
4 years.

I noticed a change in the energy after doing this - I feel much more
comfortable and productive in my environment. I also suspect that it helps
keep "evil" energy out of the house.

Soon I'll be adding a buddha statue and other Buddhist art to further
protect from bad energy.

Glenn

Dear Glenn,

in my case, incense even dissipated EMF sensitivities from my
previous appartment which had really intense EMF pollution from a an
earth geopathic source... but in my case the incense only dissipated
the energies for 12 hours, however, incence is one thing I cannot
do every other day since its fumes intoxicate me and dry my skin.
Red candles are gentler yet they pollute the air.

Incense is one thing where quality and kind of incense matter... out
of the 20 kinds of incense I tried only five worked.

Flavio



> Hi Flavio,
>
> I happened to use incense recently in my home, to cleanup bad
energy that
> exists from my house being a disasterous mess after being
disfunctional for
> 4 years.
>
> I noticed a change in the energy after doing this - I feel much
more
> comfortable and productive in my environment. I also suspect that
it helps
> keep "evil" energy out of the house.
>
> Soon I'll be adding a buddha statue and other Buddhist art to
further
> protect from bad energy.
>
> Glenn
>

I use a powerful whole-house air purification system by Biozone, that eats
up toxins from incense. Normally I wouldn't be able to burn incense since I
get asthma from it.

Glenn

Yes we tried all kinds of incense and candles and it did not work.

Maybe there is a slight difference (like when it is raining or foggy)
but generally your EHS will be the same.



--- In [hidden email], "flavio_novelo" <flavio_novelo@y...>
wrote:

>
> Yes we tried all kinds of incense and candles and it did not work.
>
> Maybe there is a slight difference (like when it is raining or
foggy)
> but generally your EHS will be the same.
>

There is a general agreement in several traditions and cultures that
incense harminises living quarters. Some buddhist monks even use
them for their rituals. The incredible thing is that incense has an
effect in EMF, more intriguing is the fact that not all kind of
incense work, no matter the quality. The most expensive incense I
own does not work for harmonizing EMF, while some of the cheap ones
do.

I have felt some strong harmonisation of living quarters do to the
use of incense. Even though I have always been an skeptic of
incense, their results were incredible. At times, I think the slight
difference could be something like blizzard or a sunny day given you
are sensitive enough.

Nevertheless, incense for me is not a sustainable not even feasible
option since its fumes damage me.

Flavio

> I use a powerful whole-house air purification system by Biozone,
that eats
> up toxins from incense.

Dear Glenn,

Isn't the ozone a strong oxidiser? Aren't you negativelly affected by
the ozone? the one task of ozone is oxidising living matter be it
bacteria in the air or water or human tissues.

This unless you are talking about negative iones which are of a
reducing nature instead of th oxidising ozone's nature

There was a discussion about some negative effects of ozone in some
other listgroup I am a member at. Some folk said that ozone could
even cause bleeding of the lungs due to the strong oxidation of
them. I can send you the link if you wish.

Flavio

> There was a discussion about some negative effects of ozone in some
> other listgroup I am a member at. Some folk said that ozone could
> even cause bleeding of the lungs due to the strong oxidation of
> them. I can send you the link if you wish.

Used properly, ozone can be quite effective at reducing bacteria
and molds, and also ozone generators ususually produce negative
ions which are also good for your health.

The problem that often happens is that people buy ozone generators
which produce far more ozone than would normally occur in nature,
and that these generators sometimes produce a harmful byproduct
called nitric acid.

The Biozone Scientific models (which is what I assume Glenn is
using) are probably not too strong -- they use a UV light bulb
and a fan. I've actually spent more money on trying various
air purifiers/filters than I have on EMF protection devices,
and am currently using Biozone Scientific models myself. They
do a pretty good job.

Of course, there is a lot of misinformation on the Internet
that all ozone is dangerous, and should be avoided. But there
is a lot of misinformation on the Internet about all kinds
of things (e.g, mercury fillings are not bad for you,
flouridated water is good for you, etc.)

Marc

Hi Flavio,

The Biozone product is engineered to have extremely low levels of ozone.
Ozone is good for you in small quantities, just like it is good to walk
outside after it rains - when ozone is created naturally.

Problems occur when people use Ozone generators which produce only ozone,
and at high levels. Biozone is not considered an ozone generator as such,
because it has ozone as a byproduct of producing photoplasma/photochemical
molecules, and the levels of ozone are very low. These
photoplasma/photochemical molecules are less harmful and do a better job of
killing viruses, allergens, etc., with a very low volume of plasma.

My son was sick from when he was a baby until he was 8 years old with every
cold and lung problem one can imagine. We were so concerned because he had
been on antibiotics about 20 times in those 8 years. Then I bought a
biozone to help me with cat allergies - it got rid of my allergies so I
could keep our new cat. As a side effect, suddenly my son stopped being
ill, and hasn't had any major illness for two years. We seldom have flu
viruses that last longer than a few hours in hour household. The biozone
seems to help clean viruses from air passageways, so they don't have a place
to thrive (that is the only explanation I have for why we get healthy so
quickly and hardly ever get colds).

We installed a Biozone in my son's classroom at school, and monitored
absenteeism. Last year in the winter there were many flus and colds going
around the school, and many kids were absent from many classes - that is
except my son's class. From Sept to Dec they had no absenteeism due to
colds/flus. The local newspaper was going to run a story on it.

We use a Biozone in our vehicle too, and it eats up exhaust smoke when
exhaust comes in through vents - protects us from dangerous fumes. We don't
feel as tired after sitting in traffic jam - not as gassed out.

So we're very pro-biozone given how it has improved our health.

Glenn

This list seems to consist of two types of (ES) person:
scientific/engineering types, and New Age 'alternatively' types. I'm
probably more in the latter category, although I have great respect for
scientific thought and method, and try to make sure that what I say
stands up to scrutiny.

With regard to 'red candles and incense': ES symptoms are caused by a
physical, biological effect within the body caused by the powerful
forces of radiant electricity and magnetism. We know a bit about why
this happens, although not everything. We know that the nervous system
has nerve pathways that conduct electricity, that consequently various
cell functions are altered, causing changes to cell structures, function
and efficacy. Knowing all this helps us figure out ways of healing and
strengthening ourselves with supplements and specially designed devices
etc.

However, what has been said re 'harmonising' effects of incense are not
explained in grounded (scientific) terms. I am one of those who am
allergic to incense (but not pure Frankincense, which is helpful) - and
I also find candles difficult to tolerate, no doubt because of the toxic
smoke (although I love them). Also, EM energy cannot be 'dissipated' by
candles and incense, otherwise you would not be able to use your
electrical appliances while they were being burned. This leaves the
effects they are having on the person. (body/etheric/soul/mind).

A couple of things I have observed here. One, that feelings and
thoughts can be soothed by whatever the individual finds nurturing, and
which perhaps then engenders greater tolerance of the negative effects
of EMR (body/mind connection), and two, that if biological problems are
being caused by geopathic electromagnetism/stress, which I have observed
overstimulates/overheats the body, then this means, in my experience,
that an allergen (candles, incense) will then cool the body down - ie,
one will feel normal again.

Does this make any sense?

Sarah





-----Original Message-----
From: flavio_novelo [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, 9 February 2005 9:33 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: incense and red candles... EMF dissipation??



>
> Yes we tried all kinds of incense and candles and it did not work.
>
> Maybe there is a slight difference (like when it is raining or
foggy)
> but generally your EHS will be the same.
>

There is a general agreement in several traditions and cultures that
incense harminises living quarters. Some buddhist monks even use
them for their rituals. The incredible thing is that incense has an
effect in EMF, more intriguing is the fact that not all kind of
incense work, no matter the quality. The most expensive incense I
own does not work for harmonizing EMF, while some of the cheap ones
do.

I have felt some strong harmonisation of living quarters do to the
use of incense. Even though I have always been an skeptic of
incense, their results were incredible. At times, I think the slight
difference could be something like blizzard or a sunny day given you
are sensitive enough.

Nevertheless, incense for me is not a sustainable not even feasible
option since its fumes damage me.

Flavio






 
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Yes it makes perfect sense. I like how you put it into words.

I often find relief from something I find nurturing, by focusing my mind and
believing it is helping, rather than believing I just feel sick. It seems
to be a survival technique - to continue building hope.

I also agree with your comment about incense. My observation about incense
is that it may change the energy in a room so it is more comfortable,
perhaps cancelling or disolving bad energy, but also have doubt that it
could actually protect from external EMF. It may help as a nuturing factor
to keep a positive mind, and build a stronger aura around a person to defend
against EMF. So it indirectly may help protect from EMF, but won't lessen
the actual level of EMF caused by a device radiating at my body.

Good thing we have all these amazing survival techniques to put up with such
ugly problems. It is like we almost transform ourselves to make livable
places in space and mind.

Glenn

I agree with you about the subtle changes in energies in a room that is
filled with incense; in fact this brings up thhe issue of there being
many levels of energies - with electricity being characterised in some
quarters as sub-natural, and therefore well-nigh impossible for the
human organism to absorb. So incense and other armomatherapy products
(some of these are fantastic) would I think have an effect on the more
subtle energies around humans and higher dimensions.......

I should also add that my theory re geopathic or earth energies is that
they are far more compatible with the human body, but that if they pile
up in the aura this can be very uncomfortable. A challenge to the body
will dissipate the energy.

Here is an excerpt from a lecture by the 20th century mystic and
philosopher Rudolf Steiner on electricity. Some of it seems rather
quaint and dated, but you'll get the general idea.

********************************************

from the 'Agriculture' lectures - 16 June, 1924.

In this excerpt, Rudolf Steiner is answering questions from farmers.

Question: Is it permissible to conserve masses of fodder with the
electric current?

Answer: What would you attain by so doing? You must consider the whole
part played by electricity in Nature. It is at least comforting that
voices are now being heard in America - where, on the whole, a better
gift of observation is appearing than in Europe - voices, I mean, to the
effect that human beings cannot go on developing in the same way in an
atmosphere permeated on all sides by electric currents and radiations.
It has an influence on the whole development of man.

This is quite true; man's inner life will become different if these
things are carried as far as is new intended. It makes a difference
whether you simply supply a certain district with steam-engines or
electrify the railway lines. Steam works more consciously, whereas
electricity has an appallingly unconscious influence; people simply do
not know where certain things are coming from. Without a doubt, there
is a trend of evolution in the following direction. Consider how
electricity is now being used above the earth as radiant and as
conducted electricity, to carry the news as quickly as possible from one
place to another. This life of men in the midst of electricity, notably
radiant electricity, will presently affect them in such a way that they
will no longer be able to understand the news which they receive so
rapidly. The effect is damp down their intelligence. Such effects are
already to be seen today. Even today you can notice how people
understand the things that come to them with far greater difficulty than
they did a few decades ago. It is comforting that from America, at
least, a certain perception of these facts is at last beginning to
arise.

It is a remarkable fact that whenever something new appears, as a rule
in the early stages it is heralded as a remedy - a means of healing.
Then the prophets get hold of it. It is strange, where a new thing
appears, clairvoyant perception is often reduced to a very human level!
Here is a man who makes all sorts of prophecies about the healing powers
of electricity, where no such thing would previously have occurred to
him. Things become fashionable! No one was able to imagine healing
people by electricity so long as electricity was not there. Now - not
because it is there, but because it has become the fashion - now it is
suddenly proclaimed as a means of healing. Electricity - applied as
radiant electricity - is often no more a means of healing than it would
be to take tiny little needles and prick the patient all over with them.
It is not the electricity - it is the shock that has the healing effect.

Now you must not forget that electricity always works on the higher
organisation, the head-organisation both man and animal; and
correspondingly, on the root organisation of the plant. It works very
strongly there. If, therefore, you use electricity in this way - if you
pour electricity through the foodstuffs - you create foodstuffs which
will gradually cause the animal that feeds on them to grow sclerotic.
It is a slow process; it will not be observed at once. The first thing
will be, that in one way or another the animals will die sooner than
they should. Electricity will not at first be recognised as the cause;
it will be ascribed to all manner of things.

Electricity, once for all, is not intended to work into the realm of the
living - it is not meant to help living things especially; it cannot do
so. You must know that electricity is at a lower level than that of
living things. Whatever is alive - the higher it is, the more it will
tend to ward off electricity. It is a definite repulsion. If now you
train a living thing to use its means of defence where there is nothing
for it to ward off, the living creature will thereby become nervous or
fidgety, and eventually sclerotic.


-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Coleman [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, 9 February 2005 6:41 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: incense and red candles... EMF dissipation??



Yes it makes perfect sense. I like how you put it into words.

I often find relief from something I find nurturing, by focusing my mind
and
believing it is helping, rather than believing I just feel sick. It
seems
to be a survival technique - to continue building hope.

I also agree with your comment about incense. My observation about
incense
is that it may change the energy in a room so it is more comfortable,
perhaps cancelling or disolving bad energy, but also have doubt that it
could actually protect from external EMF. It may help as a nuturing
factor
to keep a positive mind, and build a stronger aura around a person to
defend
against EMF. So it indirectly may help protect from EMF, but won't
lessen
the actual level of EMF caused by a device radiating at my body.

Good thing we have all these amazing survival techniques to put up with
such
ugly problems. It is like we almost transform ourselves to make livable

places in space and mind.

Glenn

>From: "Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)" <[hidden email]>
>Reply-To: [hidden email]
>To: <[hidden email]>
>Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: incense and red candles... EMF dissipation??
>Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:43:00 +1100
>
>This list seems to consist of two types of (ES) person:
>scientific/engineering types, and New Age 'alternatively' types. I'm
>probably more in the latter category, although I have great respect for

>scientific thought and method, and try to make sure that what I say
>stands up to scrutiny.
>
>With regard to 'red candles and incense': ES symptoms are caused by a
>physical, biological effect within the body caused by the powerful
>forces of radiant electricity and magnetism. We know a bit about why
>this happens, although not everything. We know that the nervous system

>has nerve pathways that conduct electricity, that consequently various
>cell functions are altered, causing changes to cell structures,
>function and efficacy. Knowing all this helps us figure out ways of
>healing and strengthening ourselves with supplements and specially
>designed devices etc.
>
>However, what has been said re 'harmonising' effects of incense are not

>explained in grounded (scientific) terms. I am one of those who am
>allergic to incense (but not pure Frankincense, which is helpful) - and

>I also find candles difficult to tolerate, no doubt because of the
>toxic smoke (although I love them). Also, EM energy cannot be
>'dissipated' by candles and incense, otherwise you would not be able to

>use your electrical appliances while they were being burned. This
>leaves the effects they are having on the person.  
>(body/etheric/soul/mind).
>
>A couple of things I have observed here. One, that feelings and
>thoughts can be soothed by whatever the individual finds nurturing, and

>which perhaps then engenders greater tolerance of the negative effects
>of EMR (body/mind connection), and two, that if biological problems are

>being caused by geopathic electromagnetism/stress, which I have
>observed overstimulates/overheats the body, then this means, in my
>experience, that an allergen (candles, incense) will then cool the body





 
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Here is a "frequently asked questions" web page which should
answer people's questions:

http://www.lifestylewellnesscenter.com/services/qxci/faq.htm

And that link I sent before has a worldwide listing of
practitioners.

Marc