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karen935875
hi my name is karen, i feel like im at a AA meeting hahaha, as you can
see i
still have humour, i came across your website from a links page on the
electosenstivity.org website, im not 100% sure if i do suffer from
this(or
im just compleatly mad) but if i describe my symptoms to you maybe you
can
help me, 12months ago i was described a antideppresant called
citalopram
20mgs, due to a loss of a loved one, which spiraled me into a nervous
break
down at the time i suffered severe panic attacks , i took them for
12months
then just recently i stoped taking them, one day after stopping them i
started to get these symptoms at first i thought it was because as you
no
antidepressents supress certian parts of the brain, and the brain
being
so
complex as a biologist as you no were made up of so many atoms
electrons
etc etc, so i just thought the symptoms i was having was a side affect
to
stoping the tablets but apparently its not, these are my symptoms, the
only
way i can describe them is have you ever took out a plug of a
appliance
and
by accident you touch the plug and you get a shock, wel i get that
feeling
every half hour and have done for the past 3 weeks, also if i go to a
place
were there is flouresent lights it starts again it feels like im going
to
fit, i never do it just feels like it, what happens is i feel very
sick
and
sometimes i get a severe headace also my hearing is like 100 mega
times
more
eg if a car goes past me it feels like im at a stadium i feel the
vibration
go right through me, if the phone rings weather its a mobile or a
house
phone it feels like its ringing inside me i no it sounds crazy but its
the
only way i can describe what im feeling, i stand by my pc i get a
shock
again, when i sleep at night i have dreams of falling i jolt upright
and
its
like im having a electric shock only for a few seconds but its very
frightening, i now have insomnia as im scared of geting a shock, if i
go
near anything metal in a shop eg a lift or a shelf i get a severe
shock,
im
like a walking electric pylon i also have had experances of plugging
in
a
hoover and walking away for a second i felt a electrical surge next
thing
the hover turned on by itself ive sat by the tv and the remote is on
the
other side of the room and the tv switches chanels very spooky like a
scene
from the film carrie ,i was told i had a sixth sense and im cabable of
psychokinetics, it could be a case of mind over matter but i realy
dont
think it is im at my witts end my doctor sugests to go back on
antidepresents something i dont want to do, as i like to have my own
mind,
and although i must admit last year after my breakdown i really did
need
them i feel ok now just this matter of finding out what it actualy is
im
suffering from is it side affects of stoping taking the medication or
do
i
suffer from electrosensitivity? on the main website it doesnt seem to
mention anything about psychokinetics or eletrical surges through your
body
the only thing it does say is adversion to bright lights migrane and
feeling
faint no mention of feeling like a electric pylon , you could get a
radio
signal off me im that live right now!! putting jokes aside i guess
this
is
quite a serious thing and i would be very greatfull for some advice on
how
to deal with this i dont fancy spending the rest of my life like this
is
there anything i can do? also i find i can only wear certain clothes
eg
cotton anything else and its like im a dodgem car you no that feeling
when
you have something nylon on and you can actualy hear the eletricty and
it
sticks to your skin wel thats what its like for me i can assure you i
am
of
sane mind i think hehehe but i cant asure you im going to stay that
way
unless i get some advice on how to deal with this my doctor doesnt
have
much
info on this subject like i said his answer is to supress it with
antidepresents, perahaps if i wear rubber wellies oh thats another
thing
i
can sense a lighting storm maybe 3 hours before it happens as my hair
stands
on end, i look forward to some advice from you i hope i made you
smile a
little can you make me smile and give me some advice on how to deal
with
this thanks your sincerly karen xx



 
 

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pete robinson
hi karen
how interesting..
2 years ago i started getting burning on my face when i was outside,
around my cheeks and temple areas really bad
guess what, this was happening when i was coming off citalopram, now i
stayed off it for 16 months and my symptoms got worse
and i started having problems with computer screens and lighting in
general..
i have had many many blood tests, it seems maybe that the citalopram
withdrawal could well have caused this, also there could be and usually
is an underlying problem with detoxing this drug from the system thus
creating these symptoms.
I have found that i do not detox properly this could well be due to
haven been on so many meds over the years, i still have severe
photosensitivity and i am back on meds due to the consequences of being
ill from this.
I have also recently found out from an atp profile blood test that i
have a dysfunctional mitochondria and that i have a sensitivity to
mercury. My acupuncturist has also seen
similar problems with ppl coming off ssri's

best
pete
On 30 Mar 2007, at 01:43, karen935875 wrote:

> hi my name is karen, i feel like im at a AA meeting hahaha, as you can
> see i
> still have humour, i came across your website from a links page on the
> electosenstivity.org website, im not 100% sure if i do suffer from
> this(or
> im just compleatly mad) but if i describe my symptoms to you maybe you
> can
> help me, 12months ago i was described a antideppresant called
> citalopram
> 20mgs, due to a loss of a loved one, which spiraled me into a nervous
> break
> down at the time i suffered severe panic attacks , i took them for
> 12months
> then just recently i stoped taking them, one day after stopping them i
> started to get these symptoms at first i thought it was because as you
> no
> antidepressents supress certian parts of the brain, and the brain
> being
> so
> complex as a biologist as you no were made up of so many atoms
> electrons
> etc etc, so i just thought the symptoms i was having was a side affect
> to
> stoping the tablets but apparently its not, these are my symptoms, the
> only
> way i can describe them is have you ever took out a plug of a
> appliance
> and
> by accident you touch the plug and you get a shock, wel i get that
> feeling
> every half hour and have done for the past 3 weeks, also if i go to a
> place
> were there is flouresent lights it starts again it feels like im going
> to
> fit, i never do it just feels like it, what happens is i feel very
> sick
> and
> sometimes i get a severe headace also my hearing is like 100 mega
> times
> more
> eg if a car goes past me it feels like im at a stadium i feel the
> vibration
> go right through me, if the phone rings weather its a mobile or a
> house
> phone it feels like its ringing inside me i no it sounds crazy but its
> the
> only way i can describe what im feeling, i stand by my pc i get a
> shock
> again, when i sleep at night i have dreams of falling i jolt upright
> and
> its
> like im having a electric shock only for a few seconds but its very
> frightening, i now have insomnia as im scared of geting a shock, if i
> go
> near anything metal in a shop eg a lift or a shelf i get a severe
> shock,
> im
> like a walking electric pylon i also have had experances of plugging
> in
> a
> hoover and walking away for a second i felt a electrical surge next
> thing
> the hover turned on by itself ive sat by the tv and the remote is on
> the
> other side of the room and the tv switches chanels very spooky like a
> scene
> from the film carrie ,i was told i had a sixth sense and im cabable of
> psychokinetics, it could be a case of mind over matter but i realy
> dont
> think it is im at my witts end my doctor sugests to go back on
> antidepresents something i dont want to do, as i like to have my own
> mind,
> and although i must admit last year after my breakdown i really did
> need
> them i feel ok now just this matter of finding out what it actualy is
> im
> suffering from is it side affects of stoping taking the medication or
> do
> i
> suffer from electrosensitivity? on the main website it doesnt seem to
> mention anything about psychokinetics or eletrical surges through your
> body
> the only thing it does say is adversion to bright lights migrane and
> feeling
> faint no mention of feeling like a electric pylon , you could get a
> radio
> signal off me im that live right now!! putting jokes aside i guess
> this
> is
> quite a serious thing and i would be very greatfull for some advice on
> how
> to deal with this i dont fancy spending the rest of my life like this
> is
> there anything i can do? also i find i can only wear certain clothes
> eg
> cotton anything else and its like im a dodgem car you no that feeling
> when
> you have something nylon on and you can actualy hear the eletricty and
> it
> sticks to your skin wel thats what its like for me i can assure you i
> am
> of
> sane mind i think hehehe but i cant asure you im going to stay that
> way
> unless i get some advice on how to deal with this my doctor doesnt
> have
> much
> info on this subject like i said his answer is to supress it with
> antidepresents, perahaps if i wear rubber wellies oh thats another
> thing
> i
> can sense a lighting storm maybe 3 hours before it happens as my hair
> stands
> on end, i look forward to some advice from you i hope i made you
> smile a
> little can you make me smile and give me some advice on how to deal
> with
> this thanks your sincerly karen xx
>
>
>  
>  

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In a message dated 3/30/2007 8:12:04 AM GMT Standard Time,
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i
> can sense a lighting storm maybe 3 hours before it happens as my hair
> stands
> on end, i look forward to some advice from you i hope i made you
> smile a
> little can you make me smile and give me some advice on how to deal
> with
> this thanks your sincerly karen xx
>



It seems that your nervous system has become oversensitive most likely due
to the drugs. If you supress one thing then the body will try to balance it
elesewhere, if it cant it will act like an uncoiled spring when it can. As
you are coming off the citolapram, so your cns and brain will need to re-adjust
form the chemical cusion it has been sleeping on for a while. Sugesst,
plenty of cardio exersise, water intake, fresh air, keep off mobiles, general ES
advice.(see electrosensitivity.org.uk) , try yoga, herbal teas and keep
dredging up the positive thoughts.

PS - Also we must not ignore the fact that there is plenty of research into
the effects of microwaves and the synergistic effects with chemicals in our
bodies wether they are artificial or natural.

Paul UK






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lunagirl32002
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Hi Karen,
Well you don't seem 'mad' to me. It sounds like EMF sensitivity. I am wondering if it's worth
getting a neurotransmitter test to see if you are off-balance on one of theneurotransmitters
that could possibly be supplemented...anyone know if this might at all be related?
Julie
www.PlanetThrive.com

--- In [hidden email], "karen935875" <karenkendal564@...> wrote:
>
> hi my name is karen, i feel like im at a AA meeting hahaha, as you can
> see i still have humour, i came across your website from a links page on the
> electosenstivity.org website, im not 100% sure if i do suffer from
> this(or im just compleatly mad) but if i describe my symptoms to you maybe you
> can help me,

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pete robinson
neurotransmitter test is a waste of money if you ask me..

On 30 Mar 2007, at 16:27, lunagirl32002 wrote:

> Hi Karen,
> Well you don't seem 'mad' to me. It sounds like EMF sensitivity. I am
> wondering if it's worth
> getting a neurotransmitter test to see if you are off-balance on one
> of the neurotransmitters
> that could possibly be supplemented...anyone know if this might at
> all be related?
> Julie
> www.PlanetThrive.com
>
> --- In [hidden email], "karen935875" <karenkendal564@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > hi my name is karen, i feel like im at a AA meeting hahaha, as you
> can
> > see i still have humour, i came across your website from a links
> page on the
> > electosenstivity.org website, im not 100% sure if i do suffer from
> > this(or im just compleatly mad) but if i describe my symptoms to
> you maybe you
> > can help me,
>
>
>  
>  

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Neurotoxic Syndromes

Andrew McAfee
In reply to this post by lunagirl32002
Yes I think it is all related, neurotransmitters, chemicals, nerves,
cells, detox systems, etc.
I am seeing Dr. Neal Speight and so far we have only done testing and
no supplementation. This is an article that he co-authored and I think
explains a lot.
It may not be what we all are going through but definitely has things
everyone can address.
Andrew


The Detoxx System: Detoxification of Biotoxins in Chronic Neurotoxic
Syndromes
By John Foster, M.D., Patricia Kane, Ph.D., Neal Speight, M.D.

Chronically ill individuals suffering from neurotoxin exposure impacts
patient populations with CFIDS, Fibromyalgia, MS, Autism,
Cardiovascular Disease, Depression, Rheumatoid Arthritis, IBS,
Infertility, ALS, Parkinsons, Lyme, Toxic Building Syndrome, Estuary
Associated Syndrome, Psychosis, Diabetes without family Hx, Optic
Neuritis, Refractory Heavy Metal Toxicity, Pulmonary Hemorrhage,
Stroke. Patients diagnosed with these chronic illnesses may be
potentially classified as 'Neurotoxic Membrane Syndrome' (NMS) with the
endothelial cell membrane as the target of degeneration.

While hypercoagulation involves a myriad of proteins, it is ultimately
a membrane event, essentially disrupting the phospholipids that
structure the membrane. Agglomeration (blocked cellular exposure to
blood flow/nutrients and impaired cell-to-cell communication) indicates
elevation of phospholipase A2 and the uncoupling of eicosanoids from
the cell membrane causing inflammation. The agglomeration that
eventually occurs is, in essence, a product of a weakened membrane, and
ultimately a disturbed red cell fatty acid profile.

Clinical Research

We have established a biomedical protocol in our clinics, The Haverford
Wellness Center in Havertown, PA and The Center for Wellness in
Charlotte, NC for patients with neurotoxic illness. Our biomedical
approach is an attempt to reach the systemic nature of these tenacious
neurotoxic syndromes and provide clinically proven methods that
eradicate neurotoxins. Our course of action is that of freeing the
patient of pervasive symptoms of neurotoxic illness in a noninvasive
manner that heals the membrane, and ultimately the body and brain.

The recent pioneering work of Ritchie Shoemaker, M.D., as communicated
in his book Desperation Medicine and his peer reviewed papers
(Shoemaker 2001), lends strong support to a connection between Chronic
Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia, Lyme Disease, Pfiesteria infection and
that of numerous Neurotoxic Syndromes.

Biotoxins as Neurotoxins

The presentation of biotoxin exposure often parallels neurological and
psychological impairment due to the interrelationship between the ENS
(Enteral Nervous System) and the CNS. The biliary tree, gall bladder,
and bile formation within the liver serve in the vital processes of
detoxication (disposal of waste products bilirubin, heavy metals,
biotoxins, xenobiotics), lipid metabolism, transport and digestion
(bile acids). Abnormalities of the hepatobiliary system may involve
biliary stasis whereby infectious material or biotoxins reside within
the liver, biliary tree and gall bladder, as a viscous suspension in
biliary sludge.

Biotoxins as bacteria, viruses, parasites, spirochetes,
dinoflagelletes, and fungus may be within biliary sludge often creating
neurotoxins impacting the CNS via the ENS, or the Second Brain (gut).
The occurrence of biliary sludge may be due to prolonged fasting, low
fat intake, high carbohydrate diets or exposure to pathogens.
Restriction of dietary fat may impair biliary flow which would be
contraindicated in attempting to clear toxicity as bile is paramount to
cleansing the body and getting biotoxins and heavy metals excreted into
the fecal matter.

Neurotoxins are minute compounds between 200-1000 KD (kilodaltons) that
are comprised of oxygen, nitrogen and sulfate atoms arranged in such a
way as to make the outside of the molecule fat loving and water hating.
As such, once it enters the body, it tends to bind to structures that
are rich in fat such as most of our cells, especially the liver,
kidney, and brain. Neurotoxins are capable of dissolving in fatty
tissue and moving through it, crossing cell membranes (transporting
against a gradient, particularly with potassium) disrupting the
electrical balance of the cell itself.

As fat soluble neurotoxins move through the cells of the body from the
GI tract to sinus to lung to eye to muscle, to joint to nerve, whereby
they eventually enter the liver and the bile. Once neurotoxins bind
with bile they have access to the liver, the body is poisoned over and
over again as the bile is re-circulated (first released into the
intestine to digest fats, and then reabsorbed).

Neurotoxins cause damage by disrupting sodium and calcium channel
receptors, attacking enzyme reactions involved in glucose production
thereby disrupting energy metabolism in the cell, manufacturing
renegade fatty acids as saturated very long chain, odd chain and
branched chain fatty acids impairing membrane function, stimulating
enzymes (PLA2) which uncouple essential fatty acids from the cell
membrane and impairing the function of the nuclear receptor PPAR gamma
which partially controls transcription (the conversion of instructions
held in our DNA to RNA which then leads to translation or protein
production in the cell).

Heavy Metals reside in Fatty Tissue with Biotoxins

Heavy metals are also lipid soluble and often compound the removal of
biotoxins (Aschner et al 1990, 1998; Dutzak 1991). As has been observed
by many clinicians, often as the patients' heavy metal toxicity is
addressed they are faced with the additional complication of the
presence of biotoxins. Biotoxins and heavy metal exposure co-exist
within the cell membrane and fatty tissue requiring consideration for
both types of toxicity in regard to patient intervention.

By stabilizing glutathione we in turn impact metallothionein markers
(Nordberb and Nordberb 2000, Ebadi et al 1995, Sato et al 1995, Kerper
et al 1996, Susanto et al 1998), glycoaminoglycans or GAGS (Klein
1992), methylation, sulfation, hepatic and renal function as we
introduce treatment protocols for detoxication with gentle, natural
modalities that unload cellular toxicity safely. GSH infusion by fast
IV push has been a remarkable tool to unload the body burden of heavy
metals and neurotoxins in both pediatric and adult populations, without
side effects.

Renegade fatty acids as Neurotoxin Markers

Renegade fats as very long chain fats (VLCFAs) that are over expressed,
disrupt the membrane structure. There is a beautiful geometry to the
membrane that is highly sensitive to the size of the lipid chains. The
overall width of the fatty acid portion of the membrane is ~3 ½ nm
which must be maintained for stability. Saturated or monounsaturated
fatty acids with a length of 16 or 18 carbons and polyunsaturated fatty
acids of 18 to 22 carbons are preferred to permit the structure to
maintain optimal horizontal fluidity. VLCSFAs that range from 20 to 26
carbons force the parallel dimensions vertically. There simply is not
enough room.

The distortion weakens the phosphate bonds that derive their strong
attraction only as long as the phospholipids are parallel to each other
on both sides of the membrane. The cell weakness is then expressed in
leaky attraction to ion channels and receptors which marginalize cell
cytosol fluids and electrolytes with the only option as early cell
death.

The Brain is Comprised of 60% Fat

To view the brain beyond its architecture as a biological orchestration
of the physical and chemical constituents necessary for performance, we
cannot begin to conceptualize without considering the importance of
fatty acids as the human brain is 60% lipid. Dendrites and synapses are
up to 80% in lipid content. Although Arachidonic acid (AA) has been
given a negative association, it is the most prominent essential fatty
acid in the red cell and comprises 12% of the total brain and 15.5% of
the body lipid content.

If AA is depleted by overdosing with marine or flax oil establishing
the balance of the EFAs is profoundly impaired. Often both
prostaglandin one and two series relating to omega six metabolism are
compromised when flax and marine oils are overdosed or lipid intake is
insufficient. When AA, the lead eicosanoid of the body, is suppressed
due to excess intake of omega 3, toxicity or disease the control
circuitry of the body is impaired as is clearly viewed in the patient's
presentation.

Arachidonic acid is preferentially wasted in states of heavy metal
toxicity (Tiin and Lin, 1998) and has been observed to be sharply
suppressed in RBC lipid analysis in states of heavy metal toxicity
(Kane, clinical observation 1997-2002).

The fatty acid cleaving enzyme PLA2

In states of toxicity via biotoxins or heavy metals there is a dramatic
elevation in Phospholipase A2 (PLA2) activity (Verity et al 1994)
Increases in PLA2 activity result in premature uncoupling of the
essential fatty acids (EFAs) from phospholipids in the cell membrane.
Accelerated loss of EFA places the patient in a severely compromised
position as that of inflammation which results from the promiscuous
release of AA in the presence of an overexpression of PLA2.
Carbohydrate consumption, as one of the most profound stimulators of
PLA2, must be restricted to control the insulin response and the
subsequent loss of EFAs.

Phospholipids and Neurons

Phospholipids, cholesterol, cerebrosides, gangliosides and sulfatides
are the lipids most predominant in the brain residing within the
architectural bilayers (Bazan et al 1992). The phospholipids and their
essential fatty acid components provide second messengers and signal
mediators. In essence, phospholipids and their essential fatty acid
components play a vital role in the cell signaling systems in the
neuron. The functional behavior of neuronal membranes largely depends
upon the ways in which individual phospholipids are aligned,
interspersed with cholesterol, and associated with proteins.

All neurotransmitters are wrapped up in phospholipid vesicles. The
release and uptake of the neurotransmitters depends upon the
realignment of the phospholipid molecules. The nature of the
phospholipid is a factor in determining how much neurotransmitter or
metal ion will pass out of a vesicle or be taken back in. Phospholipid
re-modeling may be accomplished by supplying generous amounts of
balanced lipids and catalysts via nutritional intervention and the use
of intravenous Phospholipid Exchange (IV Phosphatidyl choline).

Hypercoagulation and Membrane Integrity

An undesirable course of events in an exposure to biotoxins is
agglomeration in a hypercoagulation state. The distorted membrane with
its weakened structure and almost absolute reduced fluidity is
powerless to resist coagulation. A highly fluid membrane would kick off
an accumulation of oxidized cholesterol; it would not permit it to
attach. This is not the case when the membrane is compromised, as in
much of the patient population affected with neurotoxic illness.

Hypercoagulation is predominantly a non-regulated mass of proteins
disrupting function. When referencing the artery; hypercoagulation
invariably involves the plasmic side of the cell and if endothelial
cells of the vascular system are targeted by a toxin (virus,
neurotoxin, metal, antibody, etc) , restriction of blood flow
ultimately results. If a neuron is targeted then signaling is
disrupted. The presence of neurotoxins invariably involves PLA2, which
is the "sergeant at arms" monitoring cell membrane health. A membrane
disturbance(unwanted mass) would trigger PLA2, which hydrolyses the
release of eicosanoids, which would then induce inflammation and call
to attention the clean-up committee, i.e. macrophages.

Hypercoagulation is a restrictive agglomeration, (mass) that occurs
principally on the membrane of endothelial cells blocking the flow of
vital fluids, blood, bile, etc., with a high causal relationship to
oxidation, and equally to toxicity, quite often neurotoxins. Oxidized
LDL (Sobel et al 2000) is predominantly a membrane disturbing event
agglomerating and attaching to endothelial cells, while neurotoxins can
move through the lipid membrane and attack the cell itself.

The Liver as the Center of the Storm

Unhealthy bacteria have been known to colonize the liver and its
biliary system. These bacteria as well as viruses, spirochetes,
dinoflagellates, and the like can synthesize very long chain saturated
or renegade fats (Harrington et al 1968, Carballerira et al 1998) that
lead to liver toxicity, biliary congestion, impairment of prostaglandin
synthesis and the release of glutathione (Ballatori et al 1990). Lipids
vibrate in the cell at millions of times/second. The double bonds of
the omega 6 and omega 3 lipids are the singing backbone of life
expressed through their high energy level.

These bonds are their vibratory song, and they absolutely carry a tune
befitting every act and function in the exercise of life, providing all
70 trillion of our cells their flexible nature. When renegade fats are
over represented in the cell membrane they result in off key
expression, and if strong enough, may spell cellular death and
apoptosis. Healing the outer leaflet of the membrane (Schachter et al
1983), comprised primarily of phosphatidylcholine, with phospholipid
therapy, is our highest priority in addressing chronic illness and
hypercoagulation.

The Visual Contrast Sensitivity Test

Our clinical approach is to first confirm that neurotoxin mediated
illness could in fact be a problem for the patient via the Visual
Contrast Sensitivity test that isolates deficits in velocity of flow in
retinal capillaries. If the patient scores poorly on this test then the
evaluation may include screening for cytokine elevations followed by
coagulation and red blood cell lipid testing through Johns
Hopkins/interpretation through BodyBio. (For pediatric patients the
Heidelberg Retinal Tomogram Flow Meter Evaluation may be performed in
place of the Visual Contrast Test by an ophthalmologist.)

Neurotoxins and Cytokines

Once neurotoxins enter the cell they move toward the nucleus turning on
indirectly the production of cytokines such as TNF alpha, IL6, and
IL-1Beta (Shrief and Thompson 1993, Tsukamoto 1995, Abordo et al
1997,Rajora et al 1997, Brettelal 1989, Hassen et al 1999, Davidson
2001). TNF alpha will stimulate macrophages in the body (macrophages)
to become active. The white cells are also induced to gather in the
area of the cytokine (TNF alpha) release. In addition, TNF alpha
induces endothelial cell adhesion.

Endothelial cells which line the blood vessels of the body become
"sticky" in conjunction with the increase in white cells. Increased
blood viscosity results in restricted blood flow in neurotoxic patients
leading to fatigue and discomfort, and quite possibly disturbed toxic
photoreceptor lipid structures that become compromised with subsequent
reduction in visual performance.

The cellular impact of biotoxin and heavy metal burdens results in
disturbed prostaglandin synthesis, poor cellular integrity, decreased
GSH levels (DeLeve and Kaplowitz 1990, Dentico et al 1995, Hayter et al
2001, Miles et al 2000, Nagai et al 2002, Zalups and Barfuss 1995,
Watanabe et al 1988, Fernandez-Checa et al 1996), significant
suppression of omega 6 arachidonic acid and marked elevation of
Renegade fats and ultimately with demyelination (depressed DMAs). The
presence of VLCFAs are evidence of peroxisomal dysfunction and
suppression of the beta oxidation of lipids and cellular respiration.

Renegade fats (VLCSFAs, Odd Chains, Branched Chains) are represented as
an increase in fat content in the brain as discovered in stroke
patients examined by Stanley Rapoport, Chief of the Laboratory of
Neuroscience at the NIH. Biotoxins and heavy metals are lipid soluble
thus the effect upon cellular processes and hepatobiliary function is
often gravely deranged. Often, patients do not possess a gross burden
of toxins but rather a burden that has a finite impact upon the cell by
blocking receptor sites such as G proteins, which act as a relay system
through the cell.

Peroxisomes, most prevalent in the liver and kidney, are organelles
within the cell that play a crucial role in clearing xenobiotics and
the third phase of detoxification. Peroxisomes are intimately involved
in cellular lipid metabolism (Bentley et al 1993, Mannaerts and Van
Veldhoven 1992, Luers et al 1990, Leiper 1995) as in the biosynthesis
of fatty acids via ß-oxidation involving physiologically important
substrates for VLCFAs, thromboxanes, leukotrienes and prostaglandins.

The creation of a prostaglandin is an oxidative event (Diczfalusy
1994). Inappropriate use of antioxidants (mega-dosing) will inhibit
ß-oxidation, the production of prostaglandins and cellular metabolism,
thus the liberal use of potent antioxidants would be contraindicated in
the buildup of Renegade fats as VLCFAs, Odd Chain and Branched Chains
(Akasaka et al 2000) which are the hallmark of toxicity (Kane and Kane
1997, Kane 1999, Kane 2000, Roels et al 1993, Rustan et al 1992).

Peroxisomal oxidation enzymes are suppressed by elevation of cytokines
such as TNFalpha (Beier et al 1992). Individuals with immune, CNS,
cardiac, GI and endocrine disorders often present with complex
xenobiotics involving disturbances in the cytochrome P450 superfamily
(hepatic detoxification difficulties) which parallels disturbances in
peroxisomal function.

The cytochrome P450's are responsible for the biotransformation of
endogenous compounds including fatty acids, steroids, prostaglandins,
leukotrienes and vitamins as well as the detoxification of exogenous
compounds resulting in substantial alterations of P450s (Guengerich
1991) as xenobiotics may turn off or greatly reduce the expression of
constitutive isoenzymes (Sharma et al 1988).

Targeted Nutritional Intervention for Toxicity

Inadequate stores of arachidonic acid can compromise P450 function
(McGiff 1991). Oral application of hormones such as pregnenolone, DHEA
(Di Santo et al 1996, Ram et al 1994, Rao et al 1993) or thyroid
stimulate peroxisomal proliferation and the ß-oxidation of Renegade
fats as would nutrients (riboflavin, pyruvate, manganese) and oxidative
therapies.

Anti-oxidants slow cellular metabolism and must remain in the proper
balance with all the essential nutrients and substrates (lipids,
protein) to maintain metabolic equilibrium. Removal of renegade fats in
the diet is accomplished by the avoidance of mustard, canola oil (Naito
et al 2000), peanuts and peanut oil which contain VLCSFAs that can
challenge patients with liver and CNS toxicity.

The oral use of butyrate, a short 4-carbon chain fatty acid, is of
striking benefit (Fusunyan et al 1998, Segain et al 1983, Yin et al
2001) in mobilizing renegade fats, lowering TNFalpha, sequestering
ammonia, and clearing biotoxins.

In states of toxicity it is paramount to stabilize omega 6 fatty acids
and the lead eicosanoid (Attwell et al 1993) Arachidonic acid (AA)
before introducing omega 3 lipids. There exists a crucial balance
between omega 6 and omega 3 fatty acids in human lipid metabolism which
has only recently been brought into clearer focus through the work of
Yehuda (1993, 1994, 1995, 1998, 2000, 2002). His development of the
SR-3 (specific ratio of omega 6 to omega 3) has revealed that the
optimum ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 FAs is 4:1.

AA, the lead eicosanoid, must be stable first along with the other w6
EFAs before w3 fatty acids are introduced and balanced. Clinicians are
often met with poor patient outcomes when merely administering omega 3
lipids without first introducing omega 6 fatty acids, stabilizing the
structural lipids, increasing the fat content of the diet, stimulating
the ß-oxidation of renegade fatty acids, flushing of the gall
bladder/biliary tree and supporting digestion of fats with bile salts
and lipase.

The manipulation of lipid distortion involves two basic essential fats:
omega 6 and omega 3. The body loses its ability to metabolize fats in
states of toxicity and therefore becomes depleted in the eicosanoids
and prostaglandins. Essential fatty acids are the precursors to the
regulatory prostaglandins which are "local hormones" providing the
communication controlling all cell to cell interactions. The human cell
membrane cannot be supported nor its function controlled without
respect to lipid substrate, yet fatty acid metabolism has been poorly
delineated in the medical literature.

An optimum balance of fatty acids make up the dynamic membrane. The
membrane of every living cell and organelle is composed of two fatty
acid tails facing each other. This bilipid layer is so minute (3.5
nanometers) that it would take 10,000 membranes layered on top of each
other to make up the thickness of this paper. Yet the dynamics that
occur within this tiny envelope with organelles prancing up and down
the cytoskeleton microtubules is a microcosm that is a challenge for
the human mind to envision. Mercury toxicity damages the microtubule
structure of the cell. All cells must synthesize molecules and expel
waste.

All cells must create, through gene expression, the proteins needed for
cellular gates embedded in the membrane as ion channels and receptors.
The ultimate control of how those peptides behave rests with the
character of the membrane while the integrity of the membrane rests
with the structural (oleic, stearic, palmitic, cholesterol) and
essential lipids (omega 6, omega 3). Without control of membrane
function through lipid manipulation, detoxication is compromised. In
essence, the life of the cell is intimately tied to health of the
membrane and the health of the entire organism.

Our clinical protocol is to initiate treatment with changing the
patients' overall diet, addressing the lipid balance and especially the
outer lipid leaflet of the cell membrane through fatty acid therapy and
the addition of supplementation targeted towards dissolving fibrin,
clearing the liver/biliary tree, and healing the cell membrane. Patient
progress is evaluated through the Visual Contrast Test and repeat lab
evaluation.

Blood thinning agents such as Heparin and Warfarin increase blood flow
around the blocked endothelium, however, reconstituting membrane
fluidity can directly address coagulation in a natural restorative way.
Vibrant healthy membranes will not permit agglomeration. The high
polyunsaturated lipids with a preponderance of phosphatidylcholine on
the plasmic surface precludes undesirable clumping to occur. Treatment
modalities should address dissolving fibrin and healing the cell
membrane.

Spreading Infection

It has been suggested that the use of heparin will address
hypercoagulation. Recent data from JAMA (Stephenson 2001) indicates
that the use of low dose heparin may transform a 'benign fungal
infection into a toxic shock-like reaction'. This research was
presented at the 39th annual meeting of the Infectious Diseases Society
of America in 2001 by Margaret K. Hostetter, M.D. of Yale University
School of Medicine (Hostetter 2001 and San-Blas et al 2000).

Hostetter and colleagues found that Candida albicans can attach to host
cells and form invasive hyphae. Low dose heparin utilized in procedures
for hospitalized patients through the practice of heparin in
intravascular catheters may transform C. albicans into a
life-threatening pathogen. Hostetter was able to identify a gene, INT1,
encoding a C. albicans surface protein, Intlp, which was linked with
adhesion, the ability to grow filaments and ultimately virulence of C.
albicans of a systemic nature.

The use of heparin raises the cytokines TNF alpha and IL-6 (Stephenson
2001) in addition to Phospholipase A2 (Mudher et al 1999; Kern et al
2000; Farooqui 1999; Verity et al 1994). Biotoxins which form
neurotoxins, may create a state of hypercoagulation from the rise in
TNF alpha. Consequently, the use of heparin may exacerbate the
hypercoagulation and the neurotoxic condition. The source of the
problem- biotoxins, which have formed neurotoxins creating a state of
hypercoagulation, must be addressed from the context of the underlying
neurotoxic condition and healing the cell membrane.

Evidence Based Clinical Protocols

By stabilizing lipid status with intravenous Phospholipid exchange and
oral EFA supplementation we have remarkable tools to unload the body
burden of neurotoxins (Jenkins et al 1982, Cariso et al 1983, Jaeschke
et al 1987, Kolde et al 1992) in both pediatric and adult populations,
without side effects. Oral use of phospholipids in a Liver Flush is
also an effective intervention in addressing neurotoxic syndromes.

Through isolating individual fatty acids and dimethylacetyls in red
cells we can now examine the cellular integrity/structure, fluidity,
the formation of renegade fats that impair membrane function,
myelination status, and the intricate circuitry of the prostaglandins.
The systemic health of the individual patient may reached and targeted
nourishment utilized through evidence based intervention which may
yield positive patient outcomes.

Healing the membrane is virtually ... healing the brain.

> References for this Article

Neal Speight, M.D. may be reached at Center For Wellness in Charlotte,
NC. Patricia Kane, Ph.D. at the Haverford Wellness Center in Havertown,
PA. or to obtain the 'The Detoxx Book: Detoxification of Biotoxins in
Chronic Neurotoxic Syndromes' at 888.320.8338 or 856.825.8338
Dr. Mercola's Comment:

If you are interested in detoxification, I encourage you to check out
the upcoming Detoxx BioMedical Symposium with Dr. Patricia Kane. The
symposium will be held in September in both New Jersey and Connecticut.
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On Mar 30, 2007, at 11:27 AM, lunagirl32002 wrote:

> Hi Karen,
> Well you don't seem 'mad' to me. It sounds like EMF sensitivity. I am
> wondering if it's worth
> getting a neurotransmitter test to see if you are off-balance on one
> of the neurotransmitters
> that could possibly be supplemented...anyone know if this might at all
> be related?
> Julie
> www.PlanetThrive.com
>
> --- In [hidden email], "karen935875" <karenkendal564@...> wrote:
>>
>> hi my name is karen, i feel like im at a AA meeting hahaha, as you can
>> see i still have humour, i came across your website from a links page
>> on the
>> electosenstivity.org website, im not 100% sure if i do suffer from
>> this(or im just compleatly mad) but if i describe my symptoms to you
>> maybe you
>> can help me,
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Marc Martin
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> By stabilizing lipid status with intravenous Phospholipid exchange and
> oral EFA supplementation we have remarkable tools to unload the body
> burden of neurotoxins

So what exactly are they recommending that one take for EFA
supplementation?
I've tried almost every EFA supplement on the planet :-), and my
reaction
to them vary all over the map... some appear to do nothing, some appear
to
have minor benefit, and some cause nasty adverse reactions (oxygen
starvation,
chest pains, panic attacks, etc).

I can't say that any of them have produced spectacular results....

Marc

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Andrew McAfee
That is a great question. I have overheard them talk about
supplementing with the usual ones in their office. I think you probably
know as much as the nurses so.
Dr. Mercola says Krill Oil is the best if one needs Omega 3 and
Cannabis Sativa seems to have a great ratio.
I am not sure how coconut oil fits into the picture but I know it is an
important good fat.

My understanding is that there is an exchange between good fats and bad
fats and a release of toxins and chemicals in the process. The toxins
unbury themselves from the fat, nerves, cholesterol, etc. as we replace
them with good fat so that might be the reason for the adverse
reactions.

My understanding is the ratio is the most important aspect of Essential
Fatty Acids: Omega 6 at a 4:1 ratio to Omega 3 (I've seen 1:1, 6:1,
etc.). This ratio seems to be in dispute and I think blood types will
vary the ratio. So too much fish oil is not good or animal fats for
that matter. Balance...

Maybe the blood test is the easiest way:
http://www.omega-3-fish-oil-wonders.com/omega-3-fatty-acids-dosage.html
If you want to be more technical there is a blood test, Araquidonic
Acid/Eicosapentaenoic acid, AA/EPA, that can give you a more exact
measurement. It should be between 1.5 to 3 to have your omega 6 and
omega 3 balanced.
There is also the triglycerides/ HDL cholesterol test, that can give
you and indirect measurement of your Omega 6/3 ratio. It should be
close to 1.

I'll ask Dr. Speight after I get my fat biopsy results back (I still
have 6 stitches in my butt) if there is any easier way to test the
balance of EFA or the toxicity contained in one's fat and what he
recommends for supplementation.

Andrew






On Mar 30, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

>> By stabilizing lipid status with intravenous Phospholipid exchange and
>> oral EFA supplementation we have remarkable tools to unload the body
>> burden of neurotoxins
>
> So what exactly are they recommending that one take for EFA
> supplementation?
> I've tried almost every EFA supplement on the planet :-), and my
> reaction
> to them vary all over the map... some appear to do nothing, some appear
> to
> have minor benefit, and some cause nasty adverse reactions (oxygen
> starvation,
> chest pains, panic attacks, etc).
>
> I can't say that any of them have produced spectacular results....
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Marc Martin
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> Dr. Mercola says Krill Oil is the best if one needs Omega 3 and
> Cannabis Sativa seems to have a great ratio.
> I am not sure how coconut oil fits into the picture but I know it is an
> important good fat.

Krill oil leaves me oxygen starved... coconut oil makes my legs
weak... (also, cod liver oil and chia seeds give me chest pains
and panic attacks).

Of course, all of this would be consistent with the body releasing
toxins... one just has to find a combination/dosage that is
tolerable and also gets the toxins out of the body!

I do note benefits from flax, evening primrose, and borage oils,
and I have no reaction at all to olive oil...

Marc

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Ian Kemp
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Hi Karen, although you may have some form of electrosensitivity, the
"electric shocks in the head" symptom is quite often experienced by people
who suddenly stop taking SSRI antidepressants - others call them "brain
zaps" or similar things. It's more often reported with Prozac, Seroxat etc
but that may simply be because they are more widely used. If you
discontinue SSRI's it should normally be done by ramping the dose down
gradually over a period of days or weeks - sometimes even months. This
often avoids the "electric zaps" problem. But do keep an eye out for
electrical sensitivity symptoms afterwards - stress and antidepressants side
effects can both weaken your system and make you more susceptible to
developing ES.

Ian
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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
karen935875
Sent: 30 March 2007 01:43
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] hi can anybody help?



hi my name is karen, i feel like im at a AA meeting hahaha, as you can
see i
still have humour, i came across your website from a links page on the
electosenstivity.org website, im not 100% sure if i do suffer from
this(or
im just compleatly mad) but if i describe my symptoms to you maybe you
can
help me, 12months ago i was described a antideppresant called
citalopram
20mgs, due to a loss of a loved one, which spiraled me into a nervous
break
down at the time i suffered severe panic attacks , i took them for
12months
then just recently i stoped taking them, one day after stopping them i
started to get these symptoms at first i thought it was because as you
no
antidepressents supress certian parts of the brain, and the brain
being
so
complex as a biologist as you no were made up of so many atoms
electrons
etc etc, so i just thought the symptoms i was having was a side affect
to
stoping the tablets but apparently its not, these are my symptoms, the
only
way i can describe them is have you ever took out a plug of a
appliance
and
by accident you touch the plug and you get a shock, wel i get that
feeling
every half hour and have done for the past 3 weeks, also if i go to a
place
were there is flouresent lights it starts again it feels like im going
to
fit, i never do it just feels like it, what happens is i feel very
sick
and
sometimes i get a severe headace also my hearing is like 100 mega
times
more
eg if a car goes past me it feels like im at a stadium i feel the
vibration
go right through me, if the phone rings weather its a mobile or a
house
phone it feels like its ringing inside me i no it sounds crazy but its
the
only way i can describe what im feeling, i stand by my pc i get a
shock
again, when i sleep at night i have dreams of falling i jolt upright
and
its
like im having a electric shock only for a few seconds but its very
frightening, i now have insomnia as im scared of geting a shock, if i
go
near anything metal in a shop eg a lift or a shelf i get a severe
shock,
im
like a walking electric pylon i also have had experances of plugging
in
a
hoover and walking away for a second i felt a electrical surge next
thing
the hover turned on by itself ive sat by the tv and the remote is on
the
other side of the room and the tv switches chanels very spooky like a
scene
from the film carrie ,i was told i had a sixth sense and im cabable of
psychokinetics, it could be a case of mind over matter but i realy
dont
think it is im at my witts end my doctor sugests to go back on
antidepresents something i dont want to do, as i like to have my own
mind,
and although i must admit last year after my breakdown i really did
need
them i feel ok now just this matter of finding out what it actualy is
im
suffering from is it side affects of stoping taking the medication or
do
i
suffer from electrosensitivity? on the main website it doesnt seem to
mention anything about psychokinetics or eletrical surges through your
body
the only thing it does say is adversion to bright lights migrane and
feeling
faint no mention of feeling like a electric pylon , you could get a
radio
signal off me im that live right now!! putting jokes aside i guess
this
is
quite a serious thing and i would be very greatfull for some advice on
how
to deal with this i dont fancy spending the rest of my life like this
is
there anything i can do? also i find i can only wear certain clothes
eg
cotton anything else and its like im a dodgem car you no that feeling
when
you have something nylon on and you can actualy hear the eletricty and
it
sticks to your skin wel thats what its like for me i can assure you i
am
of
sane mind i think hehehe but i cant asure you im going to stay that
way
unless i get some advice on how to deal with this my doctor doesnt
have
much
info on this subject like i said his answer is to supress it with
antidepresents, perahaps if i wear rubber wellies oh thats another
thing
i
can sense a lighting storm maybe 3 hours before it happens as my hair
stands
on end, i look forward to some advice from you i hope i made you
smile a
little can you make me smile and give me some advice on how to deal
with
this thanks your sincerly karen xx






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pete robinson
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marc
how can you tell that you are having reactions to these things like you
said
i dont know whats going on with what i take
pete
On 30 Mar 2007, at 21:29, Marc Martin wrote:

> > Dr. Mercola says Krill Oil is the best if one needs Omega 3 and
> > Cannabis Sativa seems to have a great ratio.
> > I am not sure how coconut oil fits into the picture but I know it
> is an
> > important good fat.
>
> Krill oil leaves me oxygen starved... coconut oil makes my legs
> weak... (also, cod liver oil and chia seeds give me chest pains
> and panic attacks).
>
> Of course, all of this would be consistent with the body releasing
> toxins... one just has to find a combination/dosage that is
> tolerable and also gets the toxins out of the body!
>
> I do note benefits from flax, evening primrose, and borage oils,
> and I have no reaction at all to olive oil...
>
> Marc
>
>  
>  

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Marc Martin
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> marc
> how can you tell that you are having reactions to these things like you
> said i dont know whats going on with what i take

I can tell because it is obvious. I know what my "normal" level of
health is. If I start taking something new and then I get some new
symptom, I will likely blame it on the new supplement I am taking.
Especially if the symptom goes away when I stop taking it, and returns
when I start up again.

But I understand what you mean when you say that you don't know what's
going on with what you take. There are many supplements that I have
tried that don't appear to do much of anything, good or bad. However,
since I have tried so many different supplements over the past 7
years (hundreds?), there are a handful that have given me an extreme
reaction, although most of the time I have no idea why I'm having
that reaction.

Currently, I am experimenting with the supplement "Holy Basil", which
has been described as protective against radiation and detoxes you
from heavy metals. In my typical obsessive fashion, I have ordered
several different brands of Holy Basil and am comparing my reaction
to them. I have already determined that the Holy Basil from New
Chapter is too strong for me, and makes me feel weird (possibly
heavy metal mobilization). However, other brands such as Medi-Herb
seem fine, although I'm not sure if I'm seeing any real benefits.
I will certainly report here if I'm seeing some definite benefits
with regards to ES.

Marc

PUK
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PUK
In reply to this post by Andrew McAfee
In a message dated 3/31/2007 4:37:00 PM GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I can tell because it is obvious. I know what my "normal" level of
health is. If I start taking something new and then I get some new
symptom, I will likely blame it on the new supplement I am taking.
Especially if the symptom goes away when I stop taking it, and returns
when I start up again.
PAUL UK -

This is often the most rational route to discover wether you are ES, but as
in most cases it can take a long time before the conection between the ill
health reactions often initiated and felt from VDU use and more commonly Mobile
use is made, sometimes a few years. Thank heavens for groups like this.
When I first fell ill with ES back in late 90s there was no such support for
me, I merely worked it out by the same mechanism Marc describes above.






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lunagirl32002
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I took the Fatty Acid Test from Great Smokies a couple years ago and it
showed I had way too much Omega 3 (from my daily diet of wild salmon, cod
liver oil, and grass-fed meats). So I made changes in my diet to increase
the Omega 6s and decrease Omega 3s. I started having more health problems
when I did this...and then when I tried to go back to the daily cod liver
oil, I found I was intolerant of it. I also react to coconut oil ingested
and topical. I can tolerate olive oil fine. I eat wild salmon 4-6x week.
Still wishing I could take the cod liver oil again...makes me feel sick and
'off'. Maybe I should perservere and try to build up my reserves so that
something starts to shift internally??

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pete robinson
In reply to this post by Marc Martin
yes marc it seems to be a mindfield, and i know what you mean by
becoming obsessed
i apparently have mercury toxicity, i have 11 amalgams, i was given
homeopathy tinctures to remove the
mercury and also others for my liver and kidneys so that it could be
excreted properly.

I didn't want to get my fillings out because of the mental problems i
have been having the severe
depression and mood swings so i was scared about becoming worse and
still am.
I stopped the homeopathy after a few days as i felt extremley suicidal.
Also half the time im wondering if by what i am
taken is it making my photo sensitivity worse, but sometimes being in
ones head and trying to work all this out makes things
so much worse.
pete
On 31 Mar 2007, at 16:34, Marc Martin wrote:

> > marc
> > how can you tell that you are having reactions to these things like
> you
> > said i dont know whats going on with what i take
>
> I can tell because it is obvious. I know what my "normal" level of
> health is. If I start taking something new and then I get some new
> symptom, I will likely blame it on the new supplement I am taking.
> Especially if the symptom goes away when I stop taking it, and returns
> when I start up again.
>
> But I understand what you mean when you say that you don't know what's
> going on with what you take. There are many supplements that I have
> tried that don't appear to do much of anything, good or bad. However,
> since I have tried so many different supplements over the past 7
> years (hundreds?), there are a handful that have given me an extreme
> reaction, although most of the time I have no idea why I'm having
> that reaction.
>
> Currently, I am experimenting with the supplement "Holy Basil", which
> has been described as protective against radiation and detoxes you
> from heavy metals. In my typical obsessive fashion, I have ordered
> several different brands of Holy Basil and am comparing my reaction
> to them. I have already determined that the Holy Basil from New
> Chapter is too strong for me, and makes me feel weird (possibly
> heavy metal mobilization). However, other brands such as Medi-Herb
> seem fine, although I'm not sure if I'm seeing any real benefits.
> I will certainly report here if I'm seeing some definite benefits
> with regards to ES.
>
> Marc
>
>  
>  

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jaime_schunkewitz
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ES may very well be caused by neurotoxins. However, other
influences may very well be at work. An interesting quote
from a 'Newsweek' article on men's depression: "Newer research
focuses on the nerve cells themselves and how the brain's
circuitry can be permanently damaged by hyperactive stress
responses, brought on by genetic predisposition, prolonged
stress or even a single traumatic event".

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Marc Martin
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> I stopped the homeopathy after a few days as i felt extremley suicidal.

Not surprising... most people with mercury poisoning who take homeopathic
mercury detox supplements have to stop taking them almost immediately
due to adverse reactions. I think with mercury poisoning, you don't
want to take anything that is going to just mobilize the stuff into
your bloodstream. You want to take things that will grab onto the
mercury and hold onto it long enough for it to leave your body.

Marc

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Snoshoe
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Just popping in here, no way I'll ever catch up on all the reading.

Have you (or anyone) ever tried "Camelina oil". It's been being
promoted as a grain crop out this way the past couple years. I expect
will be taking over more of the wheat with time, as more and more
people are becoming intolerant to it.

Anyway, I looked up camelina info., and it apparently is high in
efa's. http://www.bjcomfort.com/en/index.htm Camelina and oil content
http://www.grdc.com.au/growers/gc/gc63/oilseeds.htm camelina

I find no matter what the oil, if it is not a 100% organically grown
one it makes me feel headachey and/or ill, this includes the cod
liver oil. Only the Norwegian deep sea that they've tested for
impurities does not bother me as far as fish oils.

For Karen too: What about taking phosphatidyl choline, if you can't
tolerate the oils? It at least helps with the integrity of the
myelin sheath.
When that's eroded, nerves short circuit and can lead to shocks also.
Also using a natural progesterone cream may be highly beneficial in
reducing these shocks. -They also label a couple for the male gender
as well.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > Dr. Mercola says Krill Oil is the best if one needs Omega 3 and
> > Cannabis Sativa seems to have a great ratio.
> > I am not sure how coconut oil fits into the picture but I know it
is an

> > important good fat.
>
> Krill oil leaves me oxygen starved... coconut oil makes my legs
> weak... (also, cod liver oil and chia seeds give me chest pains
> and panic attacks).
>
> Of course, all of this would be consistent with the body releasing
> toxins... one just has to find a combination/dosage that is
> tolerable and also gets the toxins out of the body!
>
> I do note benefits from flax, evening primrose, and borage oils,
> and I have no reaction at all to olive oil...
>
> Marc
>

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Snoshoe
In reply to this post by karen935875
Hi Karen,

We had another Karen with similar symptoms from electocution, being
shocked merely by being near things. You might want to read online id
you can, what helps people who have been struck by lighting.

Cotton and other plant fabrics hold a negative charge, where where
animal and synthetic hold a positive charge, if the plant ones aren't
loaded with fabric softener, that would be why they are more
tolerable for you.

I just posted a bit ago in another message about trying natural
progesterone cream, that cut down the amount of shocks I receive
greately, also phosphatidyl choline.

You might want to see about grounded shoes too, in the search for the
group it should come up, some of the folks here have used these too.

Hopefully with good supplements your body will be able to correct the
damage from the pharmeceutical chemicals. :)

Humor is the best help there is at many times. Keep it up! :)

(I just learned recently that formaldehyde is used on cotton clothing
to help it not wrinkle, hence that horrid smell that requires I wash
something 4x's to get enough out I can wear it. Just thought I'd add
that, since I think others here have mentioned it bothering them
also.)

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
these are my symptoms, the
> only
> way i can describe them is have you ever took out a plug of a
> appliance
> and
> by accident you touch the plug and you get a shock, wel i get that
> feeling
> every half hour and have done for the past 3 weeks, also if i go to
a
> place
> were there is flouresent lights it starts again it feels like im
going

> to
> fit, i never do it just feels like it, what happens is i feel very
> sick
> and
> sometimes i get a severe headace also my hearing is like 100 mega
> times
> more
> eg if a car goes past me it feels like im at a stadium i feel the
> vibration
> go right through me, if the phone rings weather its a mobile or a
> house
> phone it feels like its ringing inside me i no it sounds crazy but
its
> the
> only way i can describe what im feeling, i stand by my pc i get a
> shock
> again, when i sleep at night i have dreams of falling i jolt
upright
> and
> its
> like im having a electric shock only for a few seconds but its very
> frightening, i now have insomnia as im scared of geting a shock, if
i
> go
> near anything metal in a shop eg a lift or a shelf i get a severe
> shock,
> im
> like a walking electric pylon i also have had experances of
plugging
> in
> a
> hoover and walking away for a second i felt a electrical surge next
> thing
> the hover turned on by itself ive sat by the tv and the remote is on
> the
> other side of the room and the tv switches chanels very spooky like
a
> scene
> from the film carrie ,i was told i had a sixth sense and im cabable
of
> psychokinetics, it could be a case of mind over matter but i realy
> dont
> think it is im at my witts end my doctor sugests to go back on
> antidepresents something i dont want to do, as i like to have my own
> mind,
> and although i must admit last year after my breakdown i really did
> need
> them i feel ok now just this matter of finding out what it actualy
is
> im
> suffering from is it side affects of stoping taking the medication
or
> do
> i
> suffer from electrosensitivity? on the main website it doesnt seem
to
> mention anything about psychokinetics or eletrical surges through
your
> body
> the only thing it does say is adversion to bright lights migrane and
> feeling
> faint no mention of feeling like a electric pylon , you could get a
> radio
> signal off me im that live right now!! putting jokes aside i guess
> this
> is
> quite a serious thing and i would be very greatfull for some advice
on
> how
> to deal with this i dont fancy spending the rest of my life like
this
> is
> there anything i can do? also i find i can only wear certain
clothes
> eg
> cotton anything else and its like im a dodgem car you no that
feeling
> when
> you have something nylon on and you can actualy hear the eletricty
and
> it
> sticks to your skin wel thats what its like for me