further reply to Drasko

Drasko wanted to read the EPRI and Minnesota Science Advisory reports
that state 70% of the current is returning to American substations via the
ground, terra firma. I suggest he contact the MN Sci. Advisory and ask for that
report. The EPRI report can be found as part of the evidence submitted by
the State Of Michigan in the case of the State vs. a utility running current on
the ground. This can be found at www.stetzerelectric.com/. I suggest
you read Dave's testiony in that case as well, as it outlines the problem very
well, including the politics of it, which stink to heaven.
Drasko thinks that there would be amperage differences within a house if
current were returning via the earth vs. on the lines. This is not so.
The current does not go on the ground until it has access to it, outside the
house.
If you want to see something very interesting, clamp an amp meter onto
the water pipes of a few American houses. Then you will see clearly one way
the current is accessing the ground, and you will also have found one of the
most damaging ways the electrical pollution accesses our bodies.
When an ES person washes dishes, washes his/her hands or takes a shower,
the health-damaging high frequencies freely enter the body. I know ES
people who are barely functional after taking a shower due to the frequencies in
their water.
We have two showers in our home. One always has RF, as the pipes
cross the incoming main before the Graham-Stetzer filters can be installed to
catch it. The RF in the other shower can be obviated by turning off the circuit
to that part of the house, as it is caused by the piping to the shower
passing near that conduit, which in this case is not otherwise affected. I have
a small galvanic skin response meter, that measures a person's stress level by
measuring how much resistance he/she has. A healthy normal level is 5.
As a person is stressed, the level goes down. 3 shows considerable
stress. If I shower in the "adjustable" shower when there is no RF in the water,
my GSR is not affected. I start and finish at 5. If the circuit is on
that allows RF to be in the water, however, I go from 5 to .6! (That is not
a typo. .6!)
This, by the way, causes an unfortunate "vicious cycle." The more RF
affects you (the more ES you are, in other words) the more your GSR will be
lowered by exposure to electrical pollution. The lower your GSR, the less
resistance you have to your next exposure..... We also did this same shower
test on my husband. He is not as ES as I am. His GSR went only from 5
to 4.

Think further. If there is current on the water pipes, and those
pipes are grounded, then of course that current has access to the earth, terra
firma. Also, all American houses have ground rods, which also allow the
currrent to flow back to the substations via the earth. Also, starting in the
1990's, the various Public Service Commissions began giving the utilities
permission to ground each and every pole of their distribution system. This is
not grounding in case of emergency, to avoid shock or equipment damage. This
is grounding with the specific purpose of using the earth, terra firma, to
return current to the substations, as the outdated transmission systems are not
capable of returning the high frequencies that have been added to the current
by all the electronics that have used it since it left the substation.
Here is another interesting thing to do. Take an oscilloscope out
into American yards and chart the flow of ground current. Plug one lead into
the ground, then take a series of readings with the other lead plugged into
the ground sucessively to spots that form a circle around the first lead.
Then move to another spot and repeat the process. And again, till you have
covered the portion of land you wish to check. You will now have a virtual
map of the current flow.
Where this RF current flows through damp areas where livestock are, it
affects the animals terribly. The utillities and their sweethearts the PSCs
have made up their own rules regarding this, to protect themselves from
lawsuit by dairy farmers whoe animals are ruined or killed, and these rules are the
official ones, as absurd as they are. The situation is horrible. (I live
in Wisconsin, "the dairy state.")
As the % of RF in the loads has increased over the years, more current
is forced onto the ground (Due to the "skin effect" that I explained
previously.) each year. The WI PSC has responded to this by just raising the level of
permissable voltage!
Even Amish farmers, who have no electrical power at all, have these
ground current problems, as the currents travel across the countryside taking the
routes of least resistance back to their substations. These invisible
rivers of current can be 100 feet wide.
If you still have questions, Drakso, please address them to Dave Stetzer
at [hidden email]/ who says he will be glad to explain the
situation to you. I am not an electrician. Dave is a power quality expert and
there is nobody who knows more about this electrical pollution issue than he.
I am pasting on below the abstract of a study done by the famous
epidemiologist Nancy Wertheimer, showing the relationship between leukemia and
current on water pipes. In cities, electrical polllution passes from house to
house via the connected water pipes. Even, of course, if yu have your own power
turned off.
Regards,
Shivani


Childhood cancer in relation to indicators of magnetic fields from ground
current sources.

Wertheimer N, Savitz DA, Leeper E

Bioelectromagnetics 1995;16(2):86-96

This study examines childhood cancer risk in relation to certain factors
likely to indicate magnetic field exposure from ground
currents in the home. Substantial ground currents are most often found in
homes having conductive plumbing, in which an
uninterrupted metallic path in the water pipes and water main connects the
grounding systems of neighboring houses.
Information on plumbing conductivity was obtained from water suppliers for
the homes of 347 cases and 277 controls identified
in an earlier study of magnetic field exposure and childhood cancer in the
Denver area. An increased cancer risk was observed
for children in homes with conductive plumbing: The matched odds ratio was
1.72 (1.03-2.88) and increased to 3.00
(1.33-6.76) when analysis was limited to cases and controls who were
residentially stable from the reference date to the study
date. A measurement metric likely to indicate active ground currents
(measurements having above-median intensity and a
nonvertical orientation of < 55 degrees from the horizontal) was identified.
In contrast to measured field intensity alone, for
which only modest associations with cancer have been reported, this metric
shows a high and significant cancer risk [matched
O.R. = 4.0 (1.6-10.0)] consistent over a range of intensity and angle
cutpoints. Such elevated nonvertical fields were also
associated with cancer in an independent data set, which was gathered to
study adult nonlymphocytic leukemia in the Seattle
area. The associations of cancer with conductive plumbing and with this
exposure metric both suggest that cancer risk is
increased among persons with elevated magnetic field exposure from
residential ground currents.


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Shivani,

1. I have read Dave's testimony, as you suggested, and there is nothing
like "70% current being returned through ground". Could you have
misunderstood this:
..." One reason is that EPRI expects 70% of all electricity produced in the
U.S. annually to flow through electronic devices by 2002, vs. 30% today"...
?
Anyway, where have you found that "fact" of 70% being returned through
neutral?! I think that at Stetzer's are careful enough not to state such
things, at least not in written.

2. I have been in a contact with Dave some months ago regarding similar
"Drasko wants facts" :-) issue, he transferred the inquiry to his colleague,
who interrupted the correspondence after I insisted on straight answers. So
I am not going to try again.

3. Regarding you not being an electrician, I suggest you to have a friendly
consultant familiar with the electricity issues, as you seem to be
interested to talk about such issues.

Finally, let me state again that I do believe some of Stetzer issues, just I
am objecting that they are a kind of overblown (like it is with the most of
"twilight zone" stories we are unfortunately forced to be dealing with).

Drasko


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Subject: [eSens] further reply to Drasko


> Drasko wanted to read the EPRI and Minnesota Science Advisory reports
> that state 70% of the current is returning to American substations via the
> ground, terra firma. I suggest he contact the MN Sci. Advisory and ask
for that
> report. The EPRI report can be found as part of the evidence submitted
by
> the State Of Michigan in the case of the State vs. a utility running
current on
> the ground. This can be found at www.stetzerelectric.com/. I suggest
> you read Dave's testiony in that case as well, as it outlines the problem
very
> well, including the politics of it, which stink to heaven.
> Drasko thinks that there would be amperage differences within a house
if
> current were returning via the earth vs. on the lines. This is not so.
> The current does not go on the ground until it has access to it, outside
the
> house.
> If you want to see something very interesting, clamp an amp meter
onto
> the water pipes of a few American houses. Then you will see clearly
one way
> the current is accessing the ground, and you will also have found one of
the
> most damaging ways the electrical pollution accesses our bodies.
> When an ES person washes dishes, washes his/her hands or takes a
shower,
> the health-damaging high frequencies freely enter the body. I know ES
> people who are barely functional after taking a shower due to the
frequencies in
> their water.
> We have two showers in our home. One always has RF, as the pipes
> cross the incoming main before the Graham-Stetzer filters can be installed
to
> catch it. The RF in the other shower can be obviated by turning off the
circuit
> to that part of the house, as it is caused by the piping to the shower
> passing near that conduit, which in this case is not otherwise affected.
I have
> a small galvanic skin response meter, that measures a person's stress
level by
> measuring how much resistance he/she has. A healthy normal level is 5.
> As a person is stressed, the level goes down. 3 shows considerable
> stress. If I shower in the "adjustable" shower when there is no RF in
the water,
> my GSR is not affected. I start and finish at 5. If the circuit is
on
> that allows RF to be in the water, however, I go from 5 to .6! (That
is not
> a typo. .6!)
> This, by the way, causes an unfortunate "vicious cycle." The more
RF
> affects you (the more ES you are, in other words) the more your GSR will
be
> lowered by exposure to electrical pollution. The lower your GSR, the
less
> resistance you have to your next exposure..... We also did this same
shower
> test on my husband. He is not as ES as I am. His GSR went only from
5
> to 4.
>
> Think further. If there is current on the water pipes, and those
> pipes are grounded, then of course that current has access to the earth,
terra
> firma. Also, all American houses have ground rods, which also allow the
> currrent to flow back to the substations via the earth. Also, starting
in the
> 1990's, the various Public Service Commissions began giving the
utilities
> permission to ground each and every pole of their distribution system.
This is
> not grounding in case of emergency, to avoid shock or equipment damage.
This
> is grounding with the specific purpose of using the earth, terra firma, to
> return current to the substations, as the outdated transmission systems
are not
> capable of returning the high frequencies that have been added to the
current
> by all the electronics that have used it since it left the substation.
> Here is another interesting thing to do. Take an oscilloscope out
> into American yards and chart the flow of ground current. Plug one
lead into
> the ground, then take a series of readings with the other lead plugged
into
> the ground sucessively to spots that form a circle around the first lead.
> Then move to another spot and repeat the process. And again, till you
have
> covered the portion of land you wish to check. You will now have a
virtual
> map of the current flow.
> Where this RF current flows through damp areas where livestock are,
it
> affects the animals terribly. The utillities and their sweethearts the
PSCs
> have made up their own rules regarding this, to protect themselves from
> lawsuit by dairy farmers whoe animals are ruined or killed, and these
rules are the
> official ones, as absurd as they are. The situation is horrible. (I
live
> in Wisconsin, "the dairy state.")
> As the % of RF in the loads has increased over the years, more
current
> is forced onto the ground (Due to the "skin effect" that I explained
> previously.) each year. The WI PSC has responded to this by just
raising the level of
> permissable voltage!
> Even Amish farmers, who have no electrical power at all, have these
> ground current problems, as the currents travel across the countryside
taking the
> routes of least resistance back to their substations. These invisible
> rivers of current can be 100 feet wide.
> If you still have questions, Drakso, please address them to Dave
Stetzer
> at [hidden email]/ who says he will be glad to explain the
> situation to you. I am not an electrician. Dave is a power quality
expert and
> there is nobody who knows more about this electrical pollution issue than
he.
> I am pasting on below the abstract of a study done by the famous
> epidemiologist Nancy Wertheimer, showing the relationship between leukemia
and
> current on water pipes. In cities, electrical polllution passes from
house to
> house via the connected water pipes. Even, of course, if yu have your
own power
> turned off.
> Regards,
> Shivani
>