electromagnetic question

Hi again, Charles, (and anyone else who wants to comment on this post),
 
I had the strangest thing happen this past weekend....  I was trying to sleep at my house where I am badly es to something outside my house (at least I think it is outside because I turn off all electric panels to the houseand I still feel it.)  There was a thunderstorm very early Friday morning, and two bolts of lightening hit very close by.  I thought that I felt better after the first hit, but then the second bolt hit, and I realized I was not reacting anymore at all.  So....  what happened????  Did the lightening affect me personally or did it affect whatever I am reacting to?  Does anyone know why I immediately felt better?  The next day, I continued to feel great es-wise, tho I sparked when I came near any metal in my house repeatedly.  I continued to feel better for 2 more days till Sunday night, when I had a terrible night again and felt like my insideswere frying.  Has anything like this ever happened to anyone else?  
 
Thanks so much for your input,
Diane 

--- On Sat, 1/3/09, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] electromagnetic question
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 5:52 AM






Hello,

be aware, that the symptoms of electrosensibility may also come from another
source than electricity.

People with a calcium deficit may have the same symptoms.

Entities may cause also the same symptoms, and even when no elektrosmog is
around!
I have witnessed, that when those entities are led out by a medium, the
symptoms disappeared instantly.
It may sound weard, but one has to consider this.

It is all a matter of a damaged immune system.

Raising and healing the immune system, lowers the sensibility for
elektrosmog.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
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From: <paulpjc@aol. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] electromagnetic question

 














     

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In a message dated 1/6/2009 5:42:55 A.M. GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Hi again, Charles, (and anyone else who wants to comment on this post),

I had the strangest thing happen this past weekend.... I was trying to
sleep at my house where I am badly es to something outside my house (at least I
think it is outside because I turn off all electric panels to the house and I
still feel it.) There was a thunderstorm very early Friday morning, and two
bolts of lightening hit very close by. I thought that I felt better after
the first hit, but then the second bolt hit, and I realized I was not reacting
anymore at all. So.... what happened???? Did the lightening affect me
personally or did it affect whatever I am reacting to? Does anyone know why I
immediately felt better? The next day, I continued to feel great es-wise, tho
I sparked when I came near any metal in my house repeatedly. I continued to
feel better for 2 more days till Sunday night, when I had a terrible night
again and felt like my insides were frying. Has anything like this ever
happened to anyone


Guesses - rapid polarisation of Ions in your vicinity through transient
voltage effects, this may have reset your autonomous nervous system subsets and
diverted attention from the normal prevalent system - just guessing. Most
obvious the apparatus that cuase your problem were hit by the lightning and some
hours later were repaired.

PUK


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Thanks Paul,
 
Thanks for answering this post.  Yes, I thought about both of those possibilities, but can't think of any ways to track them down.  (I do always do better with high negative ions--once I was on vacation at the ocean when a hurricane was approaching off shore; it was creating huge waves--15 to 20feet high.  I went for one last walk on the beach before leaving for home and I was extremely fatigued when I started out (I was at the time dxed with severe CFIDS/ME).  By the time I got to the beach, I felt great and felt wonderful the rest of the day.)  Maybe that was the totality of what happened!  Now, how do I recreate that on a minute to minute scenario???  lol  I once tried using a negative ion generator (type of air cleaner), but the ozone got to me after 20 minutes.  Ozone=not so good reaction.
 
The other suspicion--that the lightning hit whatever is causing my es problems, incapacitating it/them--seems too good to be true.  But I did begin to wonder whether there could be an antenna I am not aware of that has gone in recently.  That would be a good target for a lightning bolt! Interestingly, the day that I began noticing the spike in es initially (inlate November), there were 2 broadband cable tv vans parked doing work of some sort up the next street.  Is anyone familiar with any changes the cable tv companies have to make regarding the switch from analog to digital tv reception?  Would that in any way require additional antennae?
 
Thanks again, Paul.  If you have any other thoughts, let me know.
Diane
 
 

--- On Tue, 1/6/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] electromagnetic question--good reaction to lightening
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 9:17 AM







In a message dated 1/6/2009 5:42:55 A.M. GMT Standard Time,
evie15422@yahoo. com writes:

Hi again, Charles, (and anyone else who wants to comment on this post),

I had the strangest thing happen this past weekend.... I was trying to
sleep at my house where I am badly es to something outside my house (at least I
think it is outside because I turn off all electric panels to the house andI
still feel it.) There was a thunderstorm very early Friday morning, and two
bolts of lightening hit very close by. I thought that I felt better after
the first hit, but then the second bolt hit, and I realized I was not reacting
anymore at all. So.... what happened???? Did the lightening affect me
personally or did it affect whatever I am reacting to? Does anyone know whyI
immediately felt better? The next day, I continued to feel great es-wise, tho
I sparked when I came near any metal in my house repeatedly. I continued to
feel better for 2 more days till Sunday night, when I had a terrible night
again and felt like my insides were frying. Has anything like this ever
happened to anyone

Guesses - rapid polarisation of Ions in your vicinity through transient
voltage effects, this may have reset your autonomous nervous system subsetsand
diverted attention from the normal prevalent system - just guessing. Most
obvious the apparatus that cuase your problem were hit by the lightning andsome
hours later were repaired.

PUK

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> Now, how do I recreate that on a minute to
> minute scenario??? lol I once tried using a negative ion generator
> (type of air cleaner), but the ozone got to me after 20 minutes.
> Ozone=not so good reaction.

Yes, recreating fresh air in the house is difficult. I have found
that some ozone-type generators help a bit, but certainly fall short
of "fresh air". I've never had much luck with ion generators --
usually they jeust blacken the furniture and walls, and give
me a "pins and needles" feling on my skin.

Marc

> Yes, recreating fresh air in the house is difficult. I have found
> that some ozone-type generators help a bit, but certainly fall short
> of "fresh air".

By the way, here is an ionizer that I've found intriguing, but
never was willing to pay so much for an ion generator:

http://www.negativeions.com/elanra_ionisers.html

Marc

Yes, me too, re pins and needles and blackening furniture.  Forgot about those till you mentioned them.

--- On Tue, 1/6/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] electromagnetic question--good reaction to lightening
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 2:06 PM






> Now, how do I recreate that on a minute to
> minute scenario??? lol I once tried using a negative ion generator
> (type of air cleaner), but the ozone got to me after 20 minutes.
> Ozone=not so good reaction.

Yes, recreating fresh air in the house is difficult. I have found
that some ozone-type generators help a bit, but certainly fall short
of "fresh air". I've never had much luck with ion generators --
usually they jeust blacken the furniture and walls, and give
me a "pins and needles" feling on my skin.

Marc
 














     

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Hehe,
 
Thanks Marc.  If I ever want to part with that much cash, I will put a waterfall in my bathroom.  It could be done easily enough in a bathtub withrecycling water (falling from the ceiling).  I have been trying to thinkof a way to put one in the central hall of my house without ruining the hardwood flooring, but I think water would splash out too much.  Too bad--all the rooms open off of it.


--- On Tue, 1/6/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] electromagnetic question--good reaction to lightening
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 2:18 PM






> Yes, recreating fresh air in the house is difficult. I have found
> that some ozone-type generators help a bit, but certainly fall short
> of "fresh air".

By the way, here is an ionizer that I've found intriguing, but
never was willing to pay so much for an ion generator:

http://www.negative ions.com/ elanra_ionisers. html

Marc
 














     

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> Thanks Marc. If I ever want to part with that much cash, I will put a
> waterfall in my bathroom.

I'd be willing to buy the portable model if I could find some indication
that it didn't blacken walls like other ionizers do. Ozone generators
don't seem to have this problem...

Marc

Have you ever considered installing an energy/heat recovery ventilator, which constantly brings fresh air into the house while pushing out stale/VOC air? I've found it very useful in dealing with my chemical sensitivities. Best,

Josh



To: [hidden email]: [hidden email]: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:31:33 -0800Subject: Re: [eSens] electromagnetic question--good reaction to lightening



Yes, me too, re pins and needles and blackening furniture. Forgot about those till you mentioned them.--- On Tue, 1/6/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>Subject: Re: [eSens] electromagnetic question--good reaction to lighteningTo: [hidden email]: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 2:06 PM> Now, how do I recreate that on a minute to> minute scenario??? lol I once tried using a negative ion generator> (type of air cleaner), but the ozone got to me after 20 minutes. > Ozone=not so good reaction.Yes, recreating fresh air in the house is difficult. I have foundthat some ozone-type generators help a bit, but certainly fall shortof "fresh air". I've never had much luck with ion generators --usually they jeust blacken the furniture and walls, and giveme a "pins and needles" feling on my skin. Marc[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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Josh--Where can we get a ventilator like this?

On another note, beware of the faraday canopy for the bed. It shields emfs, but any outgassing of chemicals from the bed, like flame retardant, stays inside the bed area. OK if you are not chemically sensitive, or you have a natural hemp bed.

Mike

Joshua Kurlantzick <[hidden email]> wrote:

Have you ever considered installing an energy/heat recovery ventilator, which constantly brings fresh air into the house while pushing out stale/VOC air? I've found it very useful in dealing with my chemical sensitivities. Best,

Josh

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Yes, me too, re pins and needles and blackening furniture. Forgot about those till you mentioned them.--- On Tue, 1/6/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>Subject: Re: [eSens] electromagnetic question--good reaction to lighteningTo: [hidden email]: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 2:06 PM> Now, how do I recreate that on a minute to> minute scenario??? lol I once tried using a negative ion generator> (type of air cleaner), but the ozone got to me after 20 minutes. > Ozone=not so good reaction.Yes, recreating fresh air in the house is difficult. I have foundthat some ozone-type generators help a bit, but certainly fall shortof "fresh air". I've never had much luck with ion generators --usually they jeust blacken the furniture and walls, and giveme a "pins and needles" feling on my skin. Marc[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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There are a number of sites online that talk about the ERVS. Ours comes from a company called Fantech and we've been happy with it. It really clears out any smells quickly and if you combine it with a whole-house HEPA filter you'll also constantly be reducing the amount of VOCs in your house in addition to bringing in fresh air. Fantech's site is http://www.fantech.net/hrv_erv.htm

We just had a local air conditioning guy who does a lot of work for people with severe allergies install it - it attached to our a/c system. You can also get a window unit that will just improve the air quality in one or two rooms. I'm not sure how well those work.

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:04:22 -0800
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Josh--Where can we get a ventilator like this?

   

On another note, beware of the faraday canopy for the bed. It shields emfs, but any outgassing of chemicals from the bed, like flame retardant, stays inside the bed area. OK if you are not chemically sensitive, or you have a natural hemp bed.

   

Mike



Joshua Kurlantzick <[hidden email]> wrote:

         

Have you ever considered installing an energy/heat recovery ventilator, which constantly brings fresh air into the house while pushing out stale/VOC air? I've found it very useful in dealing with my chemical sensitivities. Best,



Josh



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