detoxification set

Hello,

I am thinking of Detoxification but first should tests be done to know
about toxification.

I have found the following URL which offers a detoxification set to do it
yourself. For me it is important to get solutions which are not too
expensive and this set could be such a solution. What do you think?


http://www.sea-health.com/shop/index.cfm?
function=details&ItemID=262&CategoryID=7

Randolf

There are lots of detox kits out there. Assuming you are speaking of
mercury detox, to detox from mercury properly one needs to approach from a
more comprehensive perspective. ie. Consider state of your digestive
system, liver, kidneys, mental balance, etc. Then look at your objectives,
and find products to match your needs that consider your state.

Simply taking a detox kit may help to get *some* heavy metals & other stuff
out, but may also make one very sick if their digestive or excretion system
is already weak. I would be especially cautious if you have ES.

Glenn

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Hello,

I am thinking of Detoxification but first should tests be done to know
about toxification.

I have found the following URL which offers a detoxification set to do it
yourself. For me it is important to get solutions which are not too
expensive and this set could be such a solution. What do you think?


http://www.sea-health.com/shop/index.cfm?
function=details&ItemID=262&CategoryID=7

Randolf

> There are lots of detox kits out there.

I think the original question may have been about the heavy metals
testing kit that was on the linked page.

I don't place much trust in such kits, because you may have a lot
of heavy metals stored in your brain, thyroid, adrenals, but it
is not going into your urine. So you may be very toxic, and
yet the test would say that you are fine.

On the other hand, you may be releasing heavy metals into your
urine, but heavy metals may not actually be your main problem.
And yet the test would say that you should be concerned about
heavy metals.

Marc

--- In [hidden email], "Glenn Coleman"
<glennhcoleman@h...> wrote:
> There are lots of detox kits out there. Assuming you are speaking of
> mercury detox, to detox from mercury properly one needs to
approach from a
> more comprehensive perspective. ie. Consider state of your digestive
> system, liver, kidneys, mental balance, etc. Then look at your
objectives,
> and find products to match your needs that consider your state.
>
> Simply taking a detox kit may help to get *some* heavy metals &
other stuff
> out, but may also make one very sick if their digestive or excretion
system
> is already weak. I would be especially cautious if you have ES.
>
> Glenn
>

Hello,

thanks for your useful information.
Then I am right first to improve my digestion system including my weak
liver and kidney before to detoxificate.



Randolf

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:
Hello,
What would you do to know about heavy metals?

Randolf

> What would you do to know about heavy metals?

One thing you could do is look at your symptoms, and
see if you have a lot of symptoms which correspond
with certain heavy metals:

http://www.extremehealthusa.com/symptoms.html
http://www.energywave.com/environmental-issues/toxins/metal-toxicity.htm
http://www.worldwidehealthcenter.net/articles-292.html
http://www.herbalremedies.com/edtachelation.html

Also, one *could* do tests to see if they have
a heavy metals, but one should know that such
tests are not conclusive. I *did* have tests
done years ago on my hair, urine, and blood --
they *all* showed high in mercury (which is
rather odd actually, it's usually not high
in the blood), plus I had alternative health
practitioners do muscle testing with homeopathic
vials for toxins, and again mercury was identified
as a problem.

But again, just looking at my symptoms would have
told me that.

One thing that testing for heavy metals in your
urine is helpful for is to see if the chelator
you are using is working. You can test the
levels in your urine before you use the chelator,
then test to see if the values are higher soon
after you are taking the chelator, and then
months later, you can check to see if the values
have reduced significantly. However, reduced
values does not necessarily mean that there
are no more heavy metals left. All it means
is that chelator is no longer as effective.
Switching to a different chelator might
again give you high levels of excretion.

Doing such test above, you would probably
notice what the symptoms are when you are
excreting heavy metals, and then you would
no longer need to do tests, because you
can tell when the chelator is working.
This is essentially what I do -- by my
symptoms I can tell when the toxins are
being mobilized into my bloodstream, or
are coming out of my urine.

Marc

> One thing that testing for heavy metals in your
> urine is helpful for is to see if the chelator
> you are using is working. You can test the
> levels in your urine before you use the chelator,

Oh -- one potential problem with this, is that
some chelators are actually contaminated with
heavy metals, so the higher values you see in
your urine may actually be due to the heavy
metal content of the chelator! Various brands
of chlorella suffer from this problem.

Marc

I've just red the black and white document and found it very educational. I'd like to go deeper into the explanation of these device mentioned inside:

protective clothing
cabinet for TV (or multiQ display LCD)
metal box for computer
shilded wiring (or 5-wirw cables)
very good grounding
low emission telephone (or speaker phone)
reducing of car EMF
AC disconnettor
Alluminium plate covered room, grounded (but it attract outside influence like telephone masts and produce noise induced into protective earth)

Has anybody tried one? if yes there is real relief from EMF?

I'm rather depressed because my first antiEMF device has failed and I'm suffering of a deep CFS in this time.


Daniele

----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Martin
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Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: detoxification set


> One thing that testing for heavy metals in your
> urine is helpful for is to see if the chelator
> you are using is working. You can test the
> levels in your urine before you use the chelator,

Oh -- one potential problem with this, is that
some chelators are actually contaminated with
heavy metals, so the higher values you see in
your urine may actually be due to the heavy
metal content of the chelator! Various brands
of chlorella suffer from this problem.

Marc

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Try the Bioprotect card.

See my website for info about it.

Greetings,
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Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 18:53
Subject: [eSens] Marc and other - deivice from swedish black on white paper


>
> I've just red the black and white document and found it very educational.
I'd like to go deeper into the explanation of these device mentioned inside: like telephone masts and produce noise induced into protective earth)
>
> Has anybody tried one? if yes there is real relief from EMF?
>
> I'm rather depressed because my first antiEMF device has failed and I'm
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Hi Danielle,

Have you tried any bioenergy therapy for relief? ie. Shiatsu, Pranic
Healng, Reiki, etc.. Although it doesn't last *too* long, it can give great
relief for periods of time.

I have a simple exercise one can do in epson salt bath that balances energy
system by cleansing chakras with water/salts, while doing visualizations of
the dirty energy flowing away in the water. I do it every other day and
have noticed a huge improvement in bioenergy (and less symptoms from ES). I
learned it from a pranic healing master to keep energy chakras clean.

Glenn

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:53:25 +0100

I've just red the black and white document and found it very educational.
I'd like to go deeper into the explanation of these device mentioned inside:

protective clothing
cabinet for TV (or multiQ display LCD)
metal box for computer
shilded wiring (or 5-wirw cables)
very good grounding
low emission telephone (or speaker phone)
reducing of car EMF
AC disconnettor
Alluminium plate covered room, grounded (but it attract outside influence
like telephone masts and produce noise induced into protective earth)

Has anybody tried one? if yes there is real relief from EMF?

I'm rather depressed because my first antiEMF device has failed and I'm
suffering of a deep CFS in this time.


Daniele

----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Martin
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: detoxification set


> One thing that testing for heavy metals in your
> urine is helpful for is to see if the chelator
> you are using is working. You can test the
> levels in your urine before you use the chelator,

Oh -- one potential problem with this, is that
some chelators are actually contaminated with
heavy metals, so the higher values you see in
your urine may actually be due to the heavy
metal content of the chelator! Various brands
of chlorella suffer from this problem.

Marc

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> I'm rather depressed because my first antiEMF device has failed and I'm
> suffering of a deep CFS in this time.

Was this the Springlife OM pendant? Did it do anything at all?

For me, EMF devices are part of an overall solution, which includes
dietary changes, supplementation, EMF reduction, reductions
in environmental toxins, and removal of metal dental work. I
haven't found any device that works by itself.

As for the long list of items you found from the black&white book,
I don't personally think that most of these options are practical,
and they may not help you much either.

Marc

Thank you all,
I'm rather expert about toxin, habits, diet, ecc... and I think to tried most in the last 10's. The unique great sensation I had it appened the last summer when I spent some days in a raw house without electicity at 1700 meter near pink mountain.
I had my 10 amalgam and 2 bridge removed 2 years ago (safe removal) but maybe I started to become more electrosensitive in that time.
Now I'm chelating myself with DMSA frequent dose chelation (~ 3 months)
After the diagnosis of electrosensitive 4 months ago I keep distance from any EMF source and I tried Bioguard EMF device without good results.
Should I try another device?

Daniele

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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Marc and other - deivice from swedish black on white paper


> I'm rather depressed because my first antiEMF device has failed and I'm
> suffering of a deep CFS in this time.

Was this the Springlife OM pendant? Did it do anything at all?

For me, EMF devices are part of an overall solution, which includes
dietary changes, supplementation, EMF reduction, reductions
in environmental toxins, and removal of metal dental work. I
haven't found any device that works by itself.

As for the long list of items you found from the black&white book,
I don't personally think that most of these options are practical,
and they may not help you much either.

Marc

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> Now I'm chelating myself with DMSA frequent dose chelation (~ 3 months)

Have you noticed if the DMSA has any affect (negative or positive)
on your electrical sensitivity?

> After the diagnosis of electrosensitive 4 months ago I keep distance
> from any EMF source and I tried Bioguard EMF device without good
> results. Should I try another device?

Please do! I have never tried the Bioguard myself, so I cannot
offer any constructive guidance based on your reaction. Although,
the only positive reactions I've had from EMF devices were from
quantum products (they have a free demo of Windows software
if you want to try that on your computer), springlife polarizers,
and radar card. And Charles likes the BioProtect card. :-)

Marc

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:
> Please do! I have never tried the Bioguard myself, so I cannot
> offer any constructive guidance based on your reaction. Although,
> the only positive reactions I've had from EMF devices were from
> quantum products (they have a free demo of Windows software
> if you want to try that on your computer), springlife polarizers,
> and radar card. And Charles likes the BioProtect card. :-)
>
> Marc

Hi Danielle,

I know Charles and another member from the Netherlands, Ed, have had
good results with the BioProtect card.

As a caveat, though, I want to apprise you of the experience of myself
and another non-ES person I know personally. I myself have tried the
BP card and had swift reaction when it arrived. Within a few hours I
was so energetically affected that I had to remove the card from the
premises, even though I'd placed it at a distance of 5 meters during
most of the time I had it (I did handle it briefly after getting it
from the mailbox.) It has taken almost a month for me to get back to
the health I was at before getting the BP card.

I gave the BP card to a friend who is of normal health, at least as
best as she can tell from herself, a recent medical checkup, and
dowsing by a herbalist. She took it to work and placed it on near her
monitor. After a week of having difficulty with her short-term memory,
mental clarity, and speaking at work, starting about a day after
getting the card, she removed the card from her vicinity as well. Her
memory, clarity, and verbal capacity returned to normal after a couple
of days.

After I queried Dr. Gruen about the BP effects he said my reaction was
typical but quite strong. He did mention a milder kind of BioProtect
that he was kindly willing to offer for free, but I haven't taken him
up on it. Here is the text of his reply to me so you can be prepared
with some of his recommendations in adapting to the BP:

"Dear Beau,
this is a typical, but quite strong detox reaction, that others have
experienced also. It ist to some degree necessary to got through this
detoxification, but it can be done much milder and gradually will
disappear. Helpful have been Antioxydants like vitamin E,
gammalinoleic acid, selenium (organic), large doses of niacin (100mg
up to 1000mg per day), sea salt, potassium through food rich in
potassium. A very strong antioxydant is Active-H by Flanagan, but also
quite expensive. Another approach would be a milder kind of
BioProtect, that will not have this strong effect and also milder
detox reactions. If required, I will sent it to you for free. Some
people even could be helped with aspirin in a medium dosage of 250 mg
- one has to try -.
I hope, with this information you can get some substanial help.
With best regards
Dietrich Gruen"

I have had good, supportive results with gentle use of a Springlife
Polarizer OM pendant.

-Beau

> It has taken almost a month for me to get back to
> the health I was at before getting the BP card.

I've had several such nasty reactions to EMF pendants,
and of course the reply I always get back is that
it is a "detox reaction". Maybe so, but it's a
completely unacceptable detox reaction.

On one occasion, I also had a pendant which inflicted
seemingly "permanent" damage to me. That is, the
symptoms remained 2 weeks after I got rid of the
device. Then I went in for a massage, and the
practitioner did 5 minutes of Reiki on me at the
end, and the damage was eliminated and never
came back.

Note that my recent experimentation with gemstones
also appears to have been a failure. I tried
black tourmaline, flourite, and blue tigers
eye (recommended to me by my nutritionist).
In all cases, I was getting head and chest
pains, and could not concentrate. I've
gone back to my Springlife Polarizer + Quantum
mix, which work pretty good (but still require
proper placement, determined by trial & error)

Marc

Hello Marc!

This is Ole Alstrup over at the Tachyon Yahoo Group, I just found
this group of yours, great idea!

> I've had several such nasty reactions to EMF pendants,
> and of course the reply I always get back is that
> it is a "detox reaction". Maybe so, but it's a
> completely unacceptable detox reaction.

Yeah, "detox reactions" can be quite heavy, especially when the
frequencies emitted from a particular device etc is not in harmony
with what you actually need.


> On one occasion, I also had a pendant which inflicted
> seemingly "permanent" damage to me. That is, the
> symptoms remained 2 weeks after I got rid of the
> device. Then I went in for a massage, and the
> practitioner did 5 minutes of Reiki on me at the
> end, and the damage was eliminated and never
> came back.

Which one was that? I have had side effects from all the frequency
devices I have tested in the past. My worst experience before I
found the holy grail against EMFs (and more) with ATTI tachyonized
tools was the Takyon Capsule from Ultra Tek Concepts. I had nasty
headaches in the back of my head for a week and felt so weird and
impersonal. Q-Link was uncomfortable as well along the same lines.
The Pat Flanagan Grand Cross Power Sensor was SO powerful, but the
far infrared frequency spectrum kept building up.


> Note that my recent experimentation with gemstones
> also appears to have been a failure. I tried
> black tourmaline, flourite, and blue tigers
> eye (recommended to me by my nutritionist).

Gemstones emit different frequencies, its a science to really know
how to use this stuff. I guess your nutritionist should stick with
nutrition. ;-)

> In all cases, I was getting head and chest
> pains, and could not concentrate. I've
> gone back to my Springlife Polarizer + Quantum
> mix, which work pretty good (but still require
> proper placement, determined by trial & error)

Did you ever test an ATTI tachyonized pendant to be worn on the
chest over the thymus gland?

Ole

PS. Read more about Tachyon at www.tachyon-partners.com/icare

> This is Ole Alstrup over at the Tachyon Yahoo Group, I just found
> this group of yours, great idea!

Hi Ole, welcome to the group!

>>On one occasion, I also had a pendant which inflicted
>>seemingly "permanent" damage to me.
>
> Which one was that?

It was called a "Sacred Geometry Medallion". Extremely strong.
Had to be gotten rid of.

> Did you ever test an ATTI tachyonized pendant to be worn on the
> chest over the thymus gland?

No, I never had any results from any of the tachyon products I
tried, and I tried plenty of them. Eventually just gave up
on them, as it obviously was not what I needed.

Seems that what I needed was "chi", which I could give myself
via Reiki self-treatments, or get it from raw foods, or get
it from the devices I use the most, which are the Springlife
Polarizers. Similiar in concept perhaps to the Tachyon
products, but the Springlife Polarizers actually work for
me, while the Tachyon products did not.

Marc

Could you give me web site for Bioprotect card purchaising .

Thanks
Daniele
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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:41 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Marc and other - deivice from swedish black on white paper



--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:
> Please do! I have never tried the Bioguard myself, so I cannot
> offer any constructive guidance based on your reaction. Although,
> the only positive reactions I've had from EMF devices were from
> quantum products (they have a free demo of Windows software
> if you want to try that on your computer), springlife polarizers,
> and radar card. And Charles likes the BioProtect card. :-)
>
> Marc

Hi Danielle,

I know Charles and another member from the Netherlands, Ed, have had
good results with the BioProtect card.

As a caveat, though, I want to apprise you of the experience of myself
and another non-ES person I know personally. I myself have tried the
BP card and had swift reaction when it arrived. Within a few hours I
was so energetically affected that I had to remove the card from the
premises, even though I'd placed it at a distance of 5 meters during
most of the time I had it (I did handle it briefly after getting it
from the mailbox.) It has taken almost a month for me to get back to
the health I was at before getting the BP card.

I gave the BP card to a friend who is of normal health, at least as
best as she can tell from herself, a recent medical checkup, and
dowsing by a herbalist. She took it to work and placed it on near her
monitor. After a week of having difficulty with her short-term memory,
mental clarity, and speaking at work, starting about a day after
getting the card, she removed the card from her vicinity as well. Her
memory, clarity, and verbal capacity returned to normal after a couple
of days.

After I queried Dr. Gruen about the BP effects he said my reaction was
typical but quite strong. He did mention a milder kind of BioProtect
that he was kindly willing to offer for free, but I haven't taken him
up on it. Here is the text of his reply to me so you can be prepared
with some of his recommendations in adapting to the BP:

"Dear Beau,
this is a typical, but quite strong detox reaction, that others have
experienced also. It ist to some degree necessary to got through this
detoxification, but it can be done much milder and gradually will
disappear. Helpful have been Antioxydants like vitamin E,
gammalinoleic acid, selenium (organic), large doses of niacin (100mg
up to 1000mg per day), sea salt, potassium through food rich in
potassium. A very strong antioxydant is Active-H by Flanagan, but also
quite expensive. Another approach would be a milder kind of
BioProtect, that will not have this strong effect and also milder
detox reactions. If required, I will sent it to you for free. Some
people even could be helped with aspirin in a medium dosage of 250 mg
- one has to try -.
I hope, with this information you can get some substanial help.
With best regards
Dietrich Gruen"

I have had good, supportive results with gentle use of a Springlife
Polarizer OM pendant.

-Beau




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Marc,
No, I'm using DMSA togheter with ALA and I do not have any positive or negative symptom

I already tried the quantum software but onestly I can't feel the difference. For this reason I'm oriented to buy the springfield device.


Daniele
----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Martin
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Marc and other - deivice from swedish black on white paper


> Now I'm chelating myself with DMSA frequent dose chelation (~ 3 months)

Have you noticed if the DMSA has any affect (negative or positive)
on your electrical sensitivity?

> After the diagnosis of electrosensitive 4 months ago I keep distance
> from any EMF source and I tried Bioguard EMF device without good
> results. Should I try another device?

Please do! I have never tried the Bioguard myself, so I cannot
offer any constructive guidance based on your reaction. Although,
the only positive reactions I've had from EMF devices were from
quantum products (they have a free demo of Windows software
if you want to try that on your computer), springlife polarizers,
and radar card. And Charles likes the BioProtect card. :-)

Marc

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--- In [hidden email], "Daniele" <softnet.dg@l...> wrote:
> Could you give me web site for Bioprotect card purchaising .
>
> Thanks
> Daniele
Hi Daniele,

Here's the main URL:
http://www.bioprotect.de.vu

If you want to go straight to the English version, use:
http://web514.server26.greatnet.de/bioprotect/en/index.php

It took about one week for the card to arrive after they received and
processed my order. If you'd like to try the card before buying, I
can have my friend mail mine to you. If it helps you, you can keep it
for free.

In either case, I wish you good results with it!

Beau