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electrohypersensitive
What do you guys think about emf shielding clothing?  I was about to buy some stuff until I read one guy's opinion that clothing could make things worse. (the emf's get trapped in there).  Thoughts?

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Marc Martin
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It's almost like shielded clothing helps half of the people, and hurts the other half.  You just have to try it and see which half you are in.  Some folks are so sensitive to the EMF that the metal picks up that it makes them worse.

Marc



 
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NoRadiationForYou
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I use and manufacture RF protection clothes and hats.
Could not do without.
I wear RF Protection hats all day long and Jacket when driving and going out from the neighborhood.
Most people report that the hats and clothes help them, while some report it does not.
The Hats and Clothes are meant to help reduce the user exposure to the RF radiation coming from the environment such as from cell tower or wireless routers that are installed in building cycling.
One should not use RF emitting devices while wearing RF protection clothes or hats.
I recommend trying one item first in order to see if it helps you.
all the best
amirb
 
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emil
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The idea that EMF gets trapped inside a shielded garment is non-sense. If you have an RF meter you can easily see this for your self: simply put on the garment. Hold the meter just outside the garment and make a reading. Then hold the meter insode the garment and make another reading. You will see that the radiation is not trapped inside.
 
Now, some people don't like the feeling of the metal-containing garment against their skin. Simply wear a "normal" gament (such as a long sleeve T-shirt for example) underneath.
 
Emil DeToffol
Less EMF Inc.
776b Watervliet Shaker Rd
Latham NY 12110  USA
tel: 1-518-608-6479
<A href="blocked::blocked::http://www.lessemf.com/">www.lessemf.com
 


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What do you guys think about emf shielding clothing?  I was about to buy some stuff until I read one guy's opinion that clothing could make things worse. (the emf's get trapped in there).  Thoughts?




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robert
Dear Emil,

But there is more - that isn't nonsense:
1.Somebody told me that RF hitting the shielding material can produce "secondary effects",
as in a. electric charge.
        b. infra sound.
       Certainly the energy of the wave hitting the shielding cannot just disappear when it hits the
material.   I myself feel zapped when I wear clothing that does not have an insulating layer on the inside.
If it touches your skin the electricity can trickle into you body . This seems likely to me
 2. Also,just in case the material does shield, it MUST also  act to contain emfs that find entrance to a persons' body -
eg through the torso and neck if they wear a shielding hat. I don't find this seems to happen with me - I wear a hat all the time - which shields and doesn't seem to trap. But I am aware of the theoretical possibility of the latter event . Perhaps this would happen if strong emfs came from a source below me, rather than above and reflecting from all sides (not so much below). Also of course the emfs that do get led up my torso and neck may simply be absorbed by flesh before the
trapping effect of the material has much play . Again this might not happen if the field from below was strong enough.
          Sylvan.
 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 2:35 PM, emil [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote:
The idea that EMF gets trapped inside a shielded garment is non-sense. If you have an RF meter you can easily see this for your self: simply put on the garment. Hold the meter just outside the garment and make a reading. Then hold the meter insode the garment and make another reading. You will see that the radiation is not trapped inside.
 
Now, some people don't like the feeling of the metal-containing garment against their skin. Simply wear a "normal" gament (such as a long sleeve T-shirt for example) underneath.
 
Emil DeToffol
Less EMF Inc.
776b Watervliet Shaker Rd
Latham NY 12110  USA
tel: <a href="tel:1-518-608-6479" value="+15186086479" target="_blank">1-518-608-6479
<A href="blocked::blocked::http://www.lessemf.com/">www.lessemf.com
 


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Marc Martin
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> Now, some people don't like the feeling of the metal-containing garment
> against their skin. Simply wear a "normal" gament (such as a long sleeve
> T-shirt for example) underneath.

Ah, but some people react to the metal in the innnerspring mattresses or
couches, and that isn't making direct contact with the skin.  In these
cases, people are simply close to the metal, and yet are reacting to
the interaction of that metal and EMF sources.  I've seen this myself
with my innerspring mattress and a nearby high-wattage space heater.
Symptoms go away if I either 1) use a mattress that contains no metal,
or 2) turn off the space heater.

Marc
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Marc Martin
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> Ah, but some people react to the metal in the innnerspring mattresses or
> couches, and that isn't making direct contact with the skin.  

And I will add that even when I added a 3-inch mattress pad on top
of the mattress, that still didn't get rid of the problem of the metal
in the innersprings that were now a few more inches away from my body.
So this issue is much more than a "skin contact" problem, and is instead
a "proxmity" issue.

Marc
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NoRadiationForYou
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In the case of spring mattresses, the springs act as antenna. This is not the same case as clothes or hats.
amirb
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NoRadiationForYou
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You need to get rid of the spring mattresses.
A Spacer will help only if it is about 50cm-100cm thick, which is not practical
amirb
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Marc Martin
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On January 22, "NoRadiationForYou [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> In the case of spring mattresses, the springs act as antenna. This is not the
> same case as clothes or hats.

It seems to me that metal embedded hats & clothing *would* act as an antenna.  And since
there is no grounding source on the hats and clothing, where does the intercepted EMF go?
Is it reflected away from the person, or absorbed by the person?  And what about EMF that
is coming from an unshielded side of the body which gets reflected back into the person?

I suspect that some would say that this is all taking place within the human energetic
field ("aura"), which could react to whatever is taking place in the shielding.

Marc
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Marc Martin
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On January 22, "NoRadiationForYou [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> You need to get rid of the spring mattresses.

Yes, I got rid of that years ago.  :-)  I was using it as an example.

Marc
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NoRadiationForYou
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This is not a simple issue.
1. In some cases a static charge will be created on the fabric. This can be discharged buy touching conducting objects that are grounded, or grounding your self all the time or once in a while. I my self never encountered that issue with the fabric and clothes I manufacture and sell.
It did happened to my with synthetic clothes that are not RF protection clothes.
2. RF coming in from the neck , hands, legs and other openings in clothes - yes, this can happen, to some extent, but usually the flesh absorbs some of the RF and reduce the problem. I never felt it, some people reported this to me. In most cases the effect they felt was less problematic than when being without RF protecting clothes. In ant case this can be avoided or reduced if you use also a scarf, globes or other means to reduce the penetration from these parts.
3. RF trapped inside - possible in theory if the level that manage to pass the clothes is high enough and if the direction allows it to enter. This is way on my site I note that the hats and clothes should be used when the RF is coming from above and sides, and not while using a wireless device (why should an EHS person that needs to use RF protection clothes, will ever use a wireless device? but some do).
4. Metal touching the skin - I think that you should wear something between you and the clothes so the direct skin touch should be minimum. In any case, a person needs to make sure he is not allergic to the fabric used and the metal fibers it includes. This is way I recommend that people first try one of my cheapest lining for hats items (that cost only 15-18$) and see if he feel OK with the fabric.

In general in cases that a person feels that the "sides effects" of wearing RF Protection Clothes and Hats is less problematic than the direct effect of being exposed to RF radiation he should use the hats and clothes. As I said, I use my own manufactured clothes and hats (I use a hat all day long, a Jacket when driving or going outside the neighborhood, and shirt when going to places that I need to be without my Jacket) for years now, and I could not do without.

amirb
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NoRadiationForYou
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HI Marc
The Mattresses springs, because of their length and shape acts as antenna.
The Hats and Clothes usually acts as reflectors, even when not grounded.
Most of the RF hitting the fabric will be reflected (depending on the fabric ability to block/reflect. For most items I use a fabric that can reflect more than 99% of the RF). What ever left is absorbed.
Regarding the "aura", and I am not an expert on this, I could feed it when the Jacket(which is made from a fabric that blocks 99% of the RF) is closed from the front, so I usually keep it unbuttoned. If I do button it I can feel some strange feeling in my chest, I wish I would know more that that, but as I said I am not an expert, and unbuttoning the jacket helps a lot.
amirb
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electrohypersensitive
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I noticed when I used an earthing sheet things got worse for me.  Similarly, when I wear metal  jewelry -- I can't.  It makes me akathisic. Why?  (Sorry I couldn't read all the replies so if this got answered I apologize).

I did buy a latex mattress a few weeks ago, but didn't notice any difference in sleep quality. I noticed my boxspring also has a bunch of metal in it, so yesterday I got a WOODEN boxspring and boy did I sleep better!  I'll see again tonight but I'm hopeful.

Also, I read a EHS memoir, and she says that silver, brass, and copper bracelets helped her and other people she knows.  But silver is metal..................?  And how come people wear tin foil hats?
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Karl
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Do you think you're sensitive to ultrasound/infrasound? A coil spring is also a solonoid, so it would vibrate vertically in a changing magnetic field.
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NoRadiationForYou
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electrohypersensitive - Do you ground you " earthing sheet " to the electric ground or natural ground outside?
Did you test for micro currents on the ground?
amirb
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charles
I have experience for 17 years with these matters.

1. Clothing can help for a short while.
Like a number of crystals, it sucks up negative energy and then starts to emit it.
When wearing it upon the skin, it transmits the radiation (electrical fields) to the body.
It is the same with canopies, where the material is too near to the body.
We have used also caps, where the inner shielding materials must be exchanged after two weeks.

2. The biological very active *longitudinal waves* are not blocked with these clothing.

3. The metals (springs) in a mattress do not emit electromagnetic signals.
They just become magnetic over time. They have static magnetical fields.
In the beginning it is not so much, but after a while, these magnetic fields do show a large amount of nanoTesla values, which is also not good for electrosensitive persons.

4. Be aware that the most disturbing frequencies, on which the body does react biologically, are between 5kHz and 10-30MHz.
It is not the highfrequency carrier waves, that are so important, but the aforementioned frequencies which are part of the high frequencies, modulated or part of inferiour electronic parts in the cabinets.

5/ There are simple ways to *treat* mobile phone masts effectively in order to avoid biological influences.
For instance by placing a BioProtect card under a transmission line gutter. So somewhere between the transformer cabinet and the final antenna unit.  
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electrohypersensitive
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Amir--  I tried both ways.  Neither worked.
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electrohypersensitive
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I can only do so much to reduce my exposure....a lot of things sound too complicated for me.  

I did get a new car the other day, and the key has a transformer inside.  The locksmith said he can take that out and make the ignition work with a regular key, but it'll be $250-300.  I do want to reduce my exposure as much as possible.  But I also am treating the EHS and do think we can "evolve" our bodies.  (I'm into energy medicine).  I dunno, would you take out the transformer in the key?  There has to be a point where we stop reducing our exposure.
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electrohypersensitive
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btw, I've tried crystals (bought a whole bunch of them in fact) but can't handle their energy.  Like, I literally start getting uncomfortable around them.  Am I the only one?!
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