OK, nobody is interested in my experiment with aluminum!? I am giving up hope that anybody would try to put the foil arround the head to see what happens, but here is last attempt to make you interested: Positively, large aluminum (could be also other metal, maybe) surfaces have very adverse and unpleasant impact!!! I have shielded a room with aluminum plates to see what happens and that is a disaster!! I dare to say that EMFs are better! The feeling with aluminum is somewhat similar to EMF influence, but also somewhat different... (Needless to say that no EMFs were in the room I am talking about! I checked it with instruments. Also, it is important to say that EMFs in that room were rather low even before putting the aluminum, so no "longitudinal waves" could be an explanation!) My finding matches some other descriptions of the same attempts! Any comments? Drasko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Hello Drasko,
I told you so. Aluminium is not so good. And certainly it is wrong to put it against your head. It works then as an antenna. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 03:11 Subject: [eSens] aluminum > > OK, nobody is interested in my experiment with aluminum!? > > I am giving up hope that anybody would try to put the foil arround the head to see what happens, but here is last attempt to make you interested: > > Positively, large aluminum (could be also other metal, maybe) surfaces have very adverse and unpleasant impact!!! I have shielded a room with aluminum plates to see what happens and that is a disaster!! I dare to say that EMFs are better! The feeling with aluminum is somewhat similar to EMF influence, but also somewhat different... > (Needless to say that no EMFs were in the room I am talking about! I checked it with instruments. Also, it is important to say that EMFs in that room were rather low even before putting the aluminum, so no "longitudinal waves" could be an explanation!) > > My finding matches some other descriptions of the same attempts! > > Any comments? > > Drasko > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > |
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I tried the experiment with aluminum foil. I didn't notice any change other
than my head got a bit hot and uncomfortable. I wonder if maybe some people are sensitive in the head region while others not? Glenn ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]> Reply-To: [hidden email] To: <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] aluminum Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:11:48 -0700 OK, nobody is interested in my experiment with aluminum!? I am giving up hope that anybody would try to put the foil arround the head to see what happens, but here is last attempt to make you interested: Positively, large aluminum (could be also other metal, maybe) surfaces have very adverse and unpleasant impact!!! I have shielded a room with aluminum plates to see what happens and that is a disaster!! I dare to say that EMFs are better! The feeling with aluminum is somewhat similar to EMF influence, but also somewhat different... (Needless to say that no EMFs were in the room I am talking about! I checked it with instruments. Also, it is important to say that EMFs in that room were rather low even before putting the aluminum, so no "longitudinal waves" could be an explanation!) My finding matches some other descriptions of the same attempts! Any comments? Drasko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> OK, nobody is interested in my experiment with aluminum!?
Many years ago I constructed myself a hat made out of EMF shielding fabric. It didn't seem to help, and in fact seemed to make things worse. Also, these days I'm more interested in solutions that can be used in public without getting strange looks from people... I think wearing aluminum foil would fail that test... :-) Marc |
When I have to go out, and drive over the motorways, where a lot of phone
masts are, I always wear my cap, where inside a material with silver fibers is woven into. This week, at a baubiological house investigation, a woman had very cold arms because of the HF radiation. She put my shirt on, and immedialtely her cold was gone. The cap, shirt and T-shirt are on my website. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 18:52 Subject: Re: [eSens] aluminum > > OK, nobody is interested in my experiment with aluminum!? > > Many years ago I constructed myself a hat made out of > EMF shielding fabric. It didn't seem to help, and in > fact seemed to make things worse. > > Also, these days I'm more interested in solutions that > can be used in public without getting strange looks > from people... I think wearing aluminum foil would > fail that test... :-) > > Marc > |
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Hi Drasko,
I had laser surgery for my myopia. Left eye treated in June 1993 resulting in sever headache. My left eyelid dropped down about five millimeter for at least six month after the surgery. It was compleatly normal according to the professor who did the surgery. I had a hunch that both the headache and the dropping eyelid was related to EMF, so I wrapped my entire head up in aluminum foil (except for a small opening for my right eye) when it was time to treat my right eye. I had much less pain related to my right eye, and no dropping eyelid! When I now day get to much EMF exposure, then I still get ache in my left eye (probably some muscle that hurts). It takes about one day with less EMF to get cured. Greetings, Anders Drasko Cvijovic wrote: > OK, nobody is interested in my experiment with aluminum!? > > I am giving up hope that anybody would try to put the foil arround the head to see what happens, but here is last attempt to make you interested: > > Positively, large aluminum (could be also other metal, maybe) surfaces have very adverse and unpleasant impact!!! I have shielded a room with aluminum plates to see what happens and that is a disaster!! I dare to say that EMFs are better! The feeling with aluminum is somewhat similar to EMF influence, but also somewhat different... > (Needless to say that no EMFs were in the room I am talking about! I checked it with instruments. Also, it is important to say that EMFs in that room were rather low even before putting the aluminum, so no "longitudinal waves" could be an explanation!) > > My finding matches some other descriptions of the same attempts! > > Any comments? > > Drasko > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > |
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Dear Glenn,
Thank you very much for trying the aluminum cap! And I also appreciate all other feedbacks on this issue! It seems that nobody reacts the same, as we had concluded before, but I still hoped that somebody would share my findings, for my discomfort was so strong... We have to keep experimenting! Drasko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Coleman" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:03 AM Subject: RE: [eSens] aluminum > I tried the experiment with aluminum foil. I didn't notice any change other > than my head got a bit hot and uncomfortable. I wonder if maybe some people > are sensitive in the head region while others not? > > Glenn > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]> > Reply-To: [hidden email] > To: <[hidden email]> > Subject: [eSens] aluminum > Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:11:48 -0700 > > > OK, nobody is interested in my experiment with aluminum!? > > I am giving up hope that anybody would try to put the foil arround the > to see what happens, but here is last attempt to make you interested: > > Positively, large aluminum (could be also other metal, maybe) surfaces have > very adverse and unpleasant impact!!! I have shielded a room with aluminum > plates to see what happens and that is a disaster!! I dare to say that EMFs > are better! The feeling with aluminum is somewhat similar to EMF influence, > but also somewhat different... > (Needless to say that no EMFs were in the room I am talking about! I checked > it with instruments. Also, it is important to say that EMFs in that room > were rather low even before putting the aluminum, so no "longitudinal waves" > could be an explanation!) > > My finding matches some other descriptions of the same attempts! > > Any comments? > > Drasko > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > |
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Dear Drasko,
the experience with the aluminium cap reminds me of a result I had measuring the effect of EMF on the acupunkture system through electroacupuncture. When holding a metal shield between the mobile phone an the body, the before negative effect of the mobile turns into a positive effect. This happens even with a complete all around metallic shielding. This experience tells us two things. First there must be a part in the radiation that penetrates a Faradayan cage, which is not measured through the common measuring tools. Second, the positive effect people have from shielding is due to the change in character that happens to these waves while penetrating a metallic wall. This effect is yet not generally positive, which can be shown in experiments with plants. We are talking of longitudinal or Tesla waves, that so far are generally denied by the scientific society. Now, what happens if you put an EMF-device on your mobile phone. First, the negative effect its radiation has on the acupuncture system disappears. Second, the positive effect this radiation has behind a metallic wall disappears also. And people have no more negative symptoms from using their phone. Butthe EMF fields you can measure are not altered. What does this mean? The EMF you can measure is not the cause of the negative biological effects. The cause are the longitudinal waves that generally go with any EMF. The physics of these longitudinal waves is different from the physics of the generally known transversal waves. This is the reason why these EMF devices are not understood from the viewpoint of the known physics. They do not work on this level. Besides the people, that invent EMF devices and besides Nikola Tesla so far the only scientist I know, that knows about the importance of longitudinal waves is Prof. Ulrich Warnke fom the university in Saarbrücken germany. Hopefully the number of people that know this an apply this knowledge will multiply soon. Dietrich Gruen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Dear mr. Gruen, I understand, there are negative effects from longitudinal waves, but I thought the negative effects from EMF/EMR were twofolds: One being the longitudinal influence, but another one being dose-dependent. At least this is what researchers like the late Neil Cherry of New Zealand and UK EMF researcher Alasdair Philips writes. Best wishes, Nikolaj --- In [hidden email], Gruendg@a... wrote: > We are talking of longitudinal or Tesla waves, that > so far are generally denied by the scientific society. > > Now, what happens if you put an EMF-device on your mobile phone. First, the > negative effect its radiation has on the acupuncture system disappears. > Second, the positive effect this radiation has behind a metallic wall disappears > also. And people have no more negative symptoms from using their phone. But the > EMF fields you can measure are not altered. > > What does this mean? The EMF you can measure is not the cause of the negative > biological effects. The cause are the longitudinal waves that generally go > with any EMF. The physics of these longitudinal waves is different from the > physics of the generally known transversal waves. This is the reason why these EMF > devices are not understood from the viewpoint of the known physics. They do > not work on this level. > > Besides the people, that invent EMF devices and besides Nikola Tesla so far > the only scientist I know, that knows about the importance of longitudinal > waves is Prof. Ulrich Warnke fom the university in Saarbrücken germany. > > Hopefully the number of people that know this an apply this knowledge will > multiply soon. > > Dietrich Gruen > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Longitudinal waves are also known as scalar or tesla waves, and are - as I
understand it - not measurable at this moment with technology. With dose-dependant, I refer to magnitude of the Electromagnetic Field (Magnetic part in Gauss or Tesla) or radiation (in e.g. watt/m2) Best wishes, Nikolaj NB! Jeg checker ikke emails dagligt - regn med en-to gange per uge. Ring i stedet, hvis det haster. This email is not checked on a daily basis - expect updates once or twice a week. Call by phone, if the matter is urgent. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nikolaj Holtermann, cand.scient., sundhedskonsulent Rosengården 14, 3.tv DK - 1174 København K Danmark tlf 33930070 email nvhh@get2net.dk www.sundhedskonsulenten.tk (.tk og ikke .dk) http://hjem.get2net.dk/nikolaj_holtermann |
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I reckon there are others on the list with more knowledge regarding this
subject, who should be able to better answer this than me :-) Nikolaj NB! Jeg checker ikke emails dagligt - regn med en-to gange per uge. Ring i stedet, hvis det haster. This email is not checked on a daily basis - expect updates once or twice a week. Call by phone, if the matter is urgent. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nikolaj Holtermann, cand.scient., sundhedskonsulent Rosengården 14, 3.tv DK - 1174 København K Danmark tlf 33930070 email nvhh@get2net.dk www.sundhedskonsulenten.tk (.tk og ikke .dk) http://hjem.get2net.dk/nikolaj_holtermann |
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