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Drasko Cvijovic

OK, nobody is interested in my experiment with aluminum!?

I am giving up hope that anybody would try to put the foil arround the head to see what happens, but here is last attempt to make you interested:

Positively, large aluminum (could be also other metal, maybe) surfaces have very adverse and unpleasant impact!!! I have shielded a room with aluminum plates to see what happens and that is a disaster!! I dare to say that EMFs are better! The feeling with aluminum is somewhat similar to EMF influence, but also somewhat different...
(Needless to say that no EMFs were in the room I am talking about! I checked it with instruments. Also, it is important to say that EMFs in that room were rather low even before putting the aluminum, so no "longitudinal waves" could be an explanation!)

My finding matches some other descriptions of the same attempts!

Any comments?

Drasko


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Re: aluminum

Charles-3
Hello Drasko,

I told you so.

Aluminium is not so good.
And certainly it is wrong to put it against your head.
It works then as an antenna.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 03:11
Subject: [eSens] aluminum


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> OK, nobody is interested in my experiment with aluminum!?
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> I am giving up hope that anybody would try to put the foil arround the
head to see what happens, but here is last attempt to make you interested:
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> Positively, large aluminum (could be also other metal, maybe) surfaces
have very adverse and unpleasant impact!!! I have shielded a room with
aluminum plates to see what happens and that is a disaster!! I dare to say
that EMFs are better! The feeling with aluminum is somewhat similar to EMF
influence, but also somewhat different...
> (Needless to say that no EMFs were in the room I am talking about! I
checked it with instruments. Also, it is important to say that EMFs in that
room were rather low even before putting the aluminum, so no "longitudinal
waves" could be an explanation!)

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> My finding matches some other descriptions of the same attempts!
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> Any comments?
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> Drasko
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RE: aluminum

Glenn Coleman
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I tried the experiment with aluminum foil. I didn't notice any change other
than my head got a bit hot and uncomfortable. I wonder if maybe some people
are sensitive in the head region while others not?

Glenn


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]>
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To: <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] aluminum
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:11:48 -0700


OK, nobody is interested in my experiment with aluminum!?

I am giving up hope that anybody would try to put the foil arround the head
to see what happens, but here is last attempt to make you interested:

Positively, large aluminum (could be also other metal, maybe) surfaces have
very adverse and unpleasant impact!!! I have shielded a room with aluminum
plates to see what happens and that is a disaster!! I dare to say that EMFs
are better! The feeling with aluminum is somewhat similar to EMF influence,
but also somewhat different...
(Needless to say that no EMFs were in the room I am talking about! I checked
it with instruments. Also, it is important to say that EMFs in that room
were rather low even before putting the aluminum, so no "longitudinal waves"
could be an explanation!)

My finding matches some other descriptions of the same attempts!

Any comments?

Drasko


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Re: aluminum

Marc Martin
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> OK, nobody is interested in my experiment with aluminum!?

Many years ago I constructed myself a hat made out of
EMF shielding fabric. It didn't seem to help, and in
fact seemed to make things worse.

Also, these days I'm more interested in solutions that
can be used in public without getting strange looks
from people... I think wearing aluminum foil would
fail that test... :-)

Marc

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Re: aluminum

Charles-3
When I have to go out, and drive over the motorways, where a lot of phone
masts are, I always wear my cap, where inside a material with silver fibers
is woven into.
This week, at a baubiological house investigation, a woman had very cold
arms because of the HF radiation.
She put my shirt on, and immedialtely her cold was gone.
The cap, shirt and T-shirt are on my website.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 18:52
Subject: Re: [eSens] aluminum


> > OK, nobody is interested in my experiment with aluminum!?
>
> Many years ago I constructed myself a hat made out of
> EMF shielding fabric. It didn't seem to help, and in
> fact seemed to make things worse.
>
> Also, these days I'm more interested in solutions that
> can be used in public without getting strange looks
> from people... I think wearing aluminum foil would
> fail that test... :-)
>
> Marc
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Re: aluminum

Anders Eriksson
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Hi Drasko,

I had laser surgery for my myopia. Left eye treated in June 1993
resulting in sever headache. My left eyelid dropped down about five
millimeter for at least six month after the surgery. It was compleatly
normal according to the professor who did the surgery.

I had a hunch that both the headache and the dropping eyelid was related
to EMF, so I wrapped my entire head up in aluminum foil (except for a
small opening for my right eye) when it was time to treat my right eye.
I had much less pain related to my right eye, and no dropping eyelid!

When I now day get to much EMF exposure, then I still get ache in my
left eye (probably some muscle that hurts). It takes about one day with
less EMF to get cured.

Greetings,

Anders

Drasko Cvijovic wrote:

> OK, nobody is interested in my experiment with aluminum!?
>
> I am giving up hope that anybody would try to put the foil arround the head to see what happens, but here is last attempt to make you interested:
>
> Positively, large aluminum (could be also other metal, maybe) surfaces have very adverse and unpleasant impact!!! I have shielded a room with aluminum plates to see what happens and that is a disaster!! I dare to say that EMFs are better! The feeling with aluminum is somewhat similar to EMF influence, but also somewhat different...
> (Needless to say that no EMFs were in the room I am talking about! I checked it with instruments. Also, it is important to say that EMFs in that room were rather low even before putting the aluminum, so no "longitudinal waves" could be an explanation!)
>
> My finding matches some other descriptions of the same attempts!
>
> Any comments?
>
> Drasko
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Re: aluminum

Drasko Cvijovic
In reply to this post by Glenn Coleman
Dear Glenn,
Thank you very much for trying the aluminum cap! And I also appreciate all
other feedbacks on this issue! It seems that nobody reacts the same, as we
had concluded before, but I still hoped that somebody would share my
findings, for my discomfort was so strong...
We have to keep experimenting!

Drasko


----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Coleman" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: [eSens] aluminum


> I tried the experiment with aluminum foil. I didn't notice any change
other
> than my head got a bit hot and uncomfortable. I wonder if maybe some
people

> are sensitive in the head region while others not?
>
> Glenn
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>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]>
> Reply-To: [hidden email]
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [eSens] aluminum
> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:11:48 -0700
>
>
> OK, nobody is interested in my experiment with aluminum!?
>
> I am giving up hope that anybody would try to put the foil arround the
head
> to see what happens, but here is last attempt to make you interested:
>
> Positively, large aluminum (could be also other metal, maybe) surfaces
have
> very adverse and unpleasant impact!!! I have shielded a room with aluminum
> plates to see what happens and that is a disaster!! I dare to say that
EMFs
> are better! The feeling with aluminum is somewhat similar to EMF
influence,
> but also somewhat different...
> (Needless to say that no EMFs were in the room I am talking about! I
checked
> it with instruments. Also, it is important to say that EMFs in that room
> were rather low even before putting the aluminum, so no "longitudinal
waves"

> could be an explanation!)
>
> My finding matches some other descriptions of the same attempts!
>
> Any comments?
>
> Drasko
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: aluminum

Gruendg
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Dear Drasko,
the experience with the aluminium cap reminds me of a result I had measuring
the effect of EMF on the acupunkture system through electroacupuncture.

When holding a metal shield between the mobile phone an the body, the before
negative effect of the mobile turns into a positive effect. This happens even
with a complete all around metallic shielding.

This experience tells us two things. First there must be a part in the
radiation that penetrates a Faradayan cage, which is not measured through the common
measuring tools. Second, the positive effect people have from shielding is
due to the change in character that happens to these waves while penetrating a
metallic wall. This effect is yet not generally positive, which can be shown in
experiments with plants. We are talking of longitudinal or Tesla waves, that
so far are generally denied by the scientific society.

Now, what happens if you put an EMF-device on your mobile phone. First, the
negative effect its radiation has on the acupuncture system disappears.
Second, the positive effect this radiation has behind a metallic wall disappears
also. And people have no more negative symptoms from using their phone. Butthe
EMF fields you can measure are not altered.

What does this mean? The EMF you can measure is not the cause of the negative
biological effects. The cause are the longitudinal waves that generally go
with any EMF. The physics of these longitudinal waves is different from the
physics of the generally known transversal waves. This is the reason why these EMF
devices are not understood from the viewpoint of the known physics. They do
not work on this level.

Besides the people, that invent EMF devices and besides Nikola Tesla so far
the only scientist I know, that knows about the importance of longitudinal
waves is Prof. Ulrich Warnke fom the university in Saarbrücken germany.

Hopefully the number of people that know this an apply this knowledge will
multiply soon.

Dietrich Gruen


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Re: aluminum

Nikolaj Holtermann

Dear mr. Gruen,

I understand, there are negative effects from longitudinal waves, but
I thought the negative effects from EMF/EMR were twofolds: One being
the longitudinal influence, but another one being dose-dependent. At
least this is what researchers like the late Neil Cherry of New
Zealand and UK EMF researcher Alasdair Philips writes.

Best wishes,

Nikolaj


--- In [hidden email], Gruendg@a... wrote:
> We are talking of longitudinal or Tesla waves, that
> so far are generally denied by the scientific society.
>
> Now, what happens if you put an EMF-device on your mobile phone.
First, the
> negative effect its radiation has on the acupuncture system
disappears.
> Second, the positive effect this radiation has behind a metallic
wall disappears
> also. And people have no more negative symptoms from using their
phone. But the
> EMF fields you can measure are not altered.
>
> What does this mean? The EMF you can measure is not the cause of
the negative
> biological effects. The cause are the longitudinal waves that
generally go
> with any EMF. The physics of these longitudinal waves is different
from the
> physics of the generally known transversal waves. This is the
reason why these EMF
> devices are not understood from the viewpoint of the known physics.
They do
> not work on this level.
>
> Besides the people, that invent EMF devices and besides Nikola
Tesla so far
> the only scientist I know, that knows about the importance of
longitudinal
> waves is Prof. Ulrich Warnke fom the university in Saarbrücken
germany.
>
> Hopefully the number of people that know this an apply this
knowledge will
> multiply soon.
>
> Dietrich Gruen
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Re: aluminum

Nikolaj Holtermann
This post was updated on .
Longitudinal waves are also known as scalar or tesla waves, and are - as I
understand it - not measurable at this moment with technology.

With dose-dependant, I refer to magnitude of the Electromagnetic Field
(Magnetic part in Gauss or Tesla) or radiation (in e.g. watt/m2)

Best wishes,

Nikolaj

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Nikolaj Holtermann
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I reckon there are others on the list with more knowledge regarding this
subject, who should be able to better answer this than me :-)

Nikolaj

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