Wireless cafes, motel rooms

What exactly is happening when a cafe or motel room says it has high speed internet access? If no computer is in use, what is emitting from the rooms, walls?

Do you, em sensitive folks have discomfort in these places?

I am going on a trip, staying in a motel for a week, and wondering about wired rooms.

Also, wondering about any other precautions for flying and airports.

Thank you,

Katrina

> What exactly is happening when a cafe or motel room says it
> has high speed internet access? I

I think that means that they have a wireless transmitter/
receiver somewhere on the property. I recently stayed
at a hotel with wireless Internet, and I did notice some
discomfort when I first arrived. However, we were staying
in the room that was right next to the office, and I wonder
if they had the transmitter in the office, so I was right
next to it.

In my case, I always take a few EMF protection devices
with me on a trip, so I plugged in a Quantum Products
Mini-Max into the wall. Added to the Springlife Polarizer
pendant I keep with me, that seemed to eliminate the
discomfort.

Marc

>>>In my case, I always take a few EMF protection devices
with me on a trip,<<<<

Hi Marc,

This is a fabulous idea, but so far, I have none, nor can afford any. I don't think this will change before the trip. A relative is sending me for medical care, so it's a crucial trip.

I have CFS/ME, MCS, ES. It's kind of surreal that I get to take this trip, being that I am living extremely low income as I prepare for it!

I am glad this list is here and am learning what I can for avoidance AND protective devices in case I ever have ability to purchase them.

There may be a motel without wireless, or at least with more nature around it. It has less amenities, so I am weighing the decision.

Thank you!

Katrina

It would be helpful to know the lowest cost effective device, for a start.



--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:

> It would be helpful to know the lowest cost effective device, for a start.

Some people have luck using a small piece of quartz or tourmaline found
in their local mineral/gem shop, which can often cost very little (US$3,
US$10, etc.)

The Quantum MiniMax that I used in the hotel is only US$20, but it only
works for 110v/60hz power (US), I believe.

http://www.shareit.com/product.html?productid=193647

And some people here have had luck with meditation, which is free!

What other cheap solutions are there -- anyone?

Marc

Hi Katrina, my two cents is: avoidance is always the best first
step. I will always choose a motel without wireless Internet if
possible. Our home was once a wireless Internet home -- but no
longer -- and I really believe my husband is better off for it.

That said, if you're looking for an affordable (free) alternative to
EMF protection devices, have you tried walking barefoot or sitting
on the ground --outdoors, where trees or grass is growing -- to
discharge EM energy from your body into the ground? It's about
as low-tech a solution as you can get, but it can be very effective.
Of course this will offer only temporary relief if you have to go
back into a motel room set up for wireless Internet...

Cara

--- In [hidden email], "kattemayo" <kattemayo@y...>
wrote:
>
> >>>In my case, I always take a few EMF protection devices
> with me on a trip,<<<<
>
> Hi Marc,
>
> This is a fabulous idea, but so far, I have none, nor can afford
any. I don't think this will change before the trip. A relative is
sending me for medical care, so it's a crucial trip.
>
> I have CFS/ME, MCS, ES. It's kind of surreal that I get to take
this trip, being that I am living extremely low income as I prepare
for it!
>
> I am glad this list is here and am learning what I can for
avoidance AND protective devices in case I ever have ability to
purchase them.
>
> There may be a motel without wireless, or at least with more
nature around it. It has less amenities, so I am weighing the
decision.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Katrina
>
> It would be helpful to know the lowest cost effective device, for
a start.
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...>
wrote:
> > > What exactly is happening when a cafe or motel room says
it

Hi Marc,

So, questions are, what exactly is emitting from the transmitter, how far does it reach, what can it penetrate (multiple walls in a building?), etc.
I should learn this for apt building/neighborhood, also.

Another is, what exactly is in the room/walls, and how strong is that? I want to learn this for cafes, homes I may be in. And how much difference if the computers are on or off, in use or not.

Can anyone answer this?

Thanks!

Katrina

And thank you for the low cost ideas, Marc. Would love to hear any others.

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote: ~snip~

Hi Cara,

Thanks for this reminder. Avoidance and grounding in Nature are definitely my best tools for all toxic exposures. This is my thinking in choosing the older motel with Nature around it. I actually have not asked if they have wireless...
But there will be plenty else and elsewhere causing me chaos.

Less amenities and less privacy would be the trade-off, which may be worth it, even tho these may put other burdens on.

Hi tech is also probably making the airports a land mine. I'm just "getting" this, as my ES has escalated and so has the wireless world, even since I last traveled, 2 or 3 years ago. My concerns previously were all...chemical...brain/sensory overload.


So, I think you are saying your husband noticed difference before, during, and after house had wireless?
Pardon my tech idiocy, but is the same true with DSL, or is that totally different?

Someone on another list said if she has everything on one side of her (not both),it is more tolerable. Has anyone else had this experience?

Thanks,

Katrina


--- In [hidden email], "Cara" <cara_evangelista@h...> wrote:

Hi Katrina, DSL is a form of high-speed Internet access (cable
modem is another). High speed Internet access is not
necessarily wireless. Wireless Internet access is not
necessarily high speed, although it often is, especially in a hotel.

As far as the effect on ES, yes, we could definitely see a
difference. My husband would get severe headaches if he was
within a certain radius of my computer while I was surfing the
Internet wirelessly. We tested this pattern repeatedly and were
satisfied that it was true. We were not knowledgeable about ES
at the time that we first installed the wireless router years ago,
so we didn't pay attention and can't say definitively that it
*caused* a general worsening of symptoms. But just in terms of
the timing, then yes, I can at least say that the timing of the
wireless Internet setup coincided with a decline in his general
state of health. I am sure many other factors played a part in this.
Chemical and food sensitivies have also been an issue for us.

But back to the wireless Internet: I think the radius of effect was
about ten feet, although it could be more than twice that if my
husband was sleeping -- he apparently becomes more sensitive
to ES triggers if he is asleep. One day he woke up with a terrible
headache after I had decided to surf the Internet wirelessly in the
next room (just for a few minutes, and surely far enough away
not to hurt anyone I thought), and I decided it wasn't worth it.
Since we got rid of the entire wireless Internet setup, we have
noticed significantly fewer headaches of this type. Cell phones
are a similar culprit -- we turn them off while at home now, and
treat them more like an emergency device while on the road.
We've gotten rid of a number of appliances by testing quite
simply-- if my husband feels worse around them, repeatedly,
then they are history. The microwave we packed up not because
of a noticeable physical reaction but because the research
offered by the members of this list was overwhelming -- even
just *nutritionally* it wasn't worth the risk. But with our cordless
phone, even a non-ES person like myself could feel the effect
(pain in ear) -- so I didn't bother testing it on my husband, I just
packed it up.

My rule of thumb is that, for ES, wired is better than wireless.

One last thing. You may already know this, but if you haven't
travelled in a few years it may be worth a reminder: most motel
rooms will have a clock radio plugged in near the bed. Unplug
that thing as soon as you can. It's bad news, too.

Good luck.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], "kattemayo" <kattemayo@y...>
wrote:

> So, I think you are saying your husband noticed difference
before, during, and after house had wireless?
> Pardon my tech idiocy, but is the same true with DSL, or is that
totally different?