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fantasticsam131

Re: Why has shielding made things worse?

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

>
> > So I am not proposing any solution, just insisting that shielding
> > is problematic.
>
> It sounds like some people have benefited from "shielding" with wood.
> For those of you didn't like what happened after shielding with
> normal shielding materials, have you tried using wood instead and
> seen if it helped/hurt/didn't make a difference?
>
> Marc
>

I'm hearing a lot of advice from people who haven't had success with shielding. My shielding works great. I've been working on it for a long time. I don't think you want to shield with wood. But you do want to cover the shielding with something like wood. Also, my bedroom is shielding with many layers of microwave blocking velostat on the ceiling. Once I started covering up the shielding with tongue and groove wood and a layer of pink panther insulation between the wood and the shielding I noticed one of the atomic clocks in that room stop working correctly. It lost the signal for a couple days and then got it again and worked for awhile. The house is a mobile home and the floors aren't much more than a subfloor. I've been putting in flooring and in that room I put a layer of aluminum foil under the hardwood floor. This seemed to help quite a bit and the atomic clock stopped for good after I did this. The home has two metal roofs and so I have to think that reflection was a problem coming off the shielding and the metal roofs from inside the house. The wood definately helped but I would not use wood as a shielding material by itself and expect much. I've noticed that everything gets real quiet inside my head when I'm inside a wooden house that has lots of thick insulation in the walls and above the ceiling. I would include insulation with the wood and put this over the shielding. This has worked for me.

stephen_vandevijvere

Re: Wood

In reply to this post by PUK

Previously some people here said that wood could be a good absorber, so maybe an interesting experiment is shielind material + wood inside...

If I would build something new from scratch I would use concrete everywhere...

I feel better in houses/buildings with a lot of concrete...

--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:

>
> PUK REPLIES - I have a log cabin at the end of my 80m garden its 3.5mx4m
> made of 28mm sweedish pine, I find the space better than the house ie no
> electricity just 12 volt lights and a wood burner. One thought is that the wood
> probably offers very little protection against rf scources so while the
> space offers warmth and light you are essentially sitting in the open like a
> sitting duck. I rekon if I sat almost anywhere for long enough in the open
> in one small area I would feel familiar ES symptoms. The log cabin has
> sprung a leak in the roof due to poor quality felt and I was slow to fix it
> so now I have to remediate black mold patches that set into the wood and as
> for the wood burner which I made from a gas cinister although a very good
> effort which served me well for 2 yrs I began to wonder if this was cuasing
> me additional problems from both the kindling I was using ie, wooden fruit
> boxes that are likely sprayed over with thiabendozole pesticde and also the
> menace of carbin minoxide in such a small space - I am now saving to buy a
> proper sealed wood burner and stainles steel flue. I also have the added
> menace that when the couple who have the menacing Plasma TV go to bed at
> 9pm, the man at the end of my garden behind the log cabin starts up his Ham
> radio ! i REMAIN OPTOMISTIC nevertheless..
>
> puk
>
>
> In a message dated 23/03/2011 10:40:23 GMT Standard Time,
> cvijovic@... writes:
>
> Hi, Marc!
> Well, regarding wooden shields, I had made some years ago (myself! :-)) a
> totally wooden house (hut) of some 6 square meters only, walls 2 inches
> wood, and it did give somewhat different feeling inside but I am not positive
> on the final conclusion... Than last year I made a bigger hut, of twice
> thinner wood, and the feeling was similar... I was not very happy with it
> (keep old stuff and garden tools now there)...
> But... Maybe it was worth more trials because it does make some
> difference... What I found the most pronounced was some dizziness after prolonged
> stay, like lack of mental brightness, but I dare to say that such dizziness is
> sometimes for me associated with places in wilderness where there is null
> radiation...
>
> Drasko
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

charles-4

Re: Wood

Hello,

it is not so, that wood is a good absorber.

One may not compare one with another.

With wood, it depends on the type of wood as well as the frequency..
In general the shiedling is ca 15 dB for GSM900, and ca 30 dB for GSM1800 and 3G.

Prof. Pauli and dr. Moldan did test a number of building materials qua shielding factor.
It is available in a booklet: Reduzierung hochfrequenter Strahlung, Baustoffe und Abschirmmaterialien.
It is written for building biologists.

Be aware that in concrete, the metal reinforcement bars do work like an antenna, and they can work like a transmitter.
They should be grounded correctly.

A wooden house does not have these metal bars, but the electrical conduit cables may give electrical fields.

I have measured, that some shielded cables may also work as an antenna, and their outer layer may bring GSM signals into the house.
But tehre is also good paint, which keeps the high frequencies out, as well as the electrical fields.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: stephen_vandevijvere
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 10:29 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Wood

Previously some people here said that wood could be a good absorber, so maybe an interesting experiment is shielind material + wood inside...

If I would build something new from scratch I would use concrete everywhere...

I feel better in houses/buildings with a lot of concrete...

--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:
>
> PUK REPLIES - I have a log cabin at the end of my 80m garden its 3.5mx4m
> made of 28mm sweedish pine, I find the space better than the house ie no
> electricity just 12 volt lights and a wood burner. One thought is that the wood
> probably offers very little protection against rf scources so while the
> space offers warmth and light you are essentially sitting in the open like a
> sitting duck. I rekon if I sat almost anywhere for long enough in the open
> in one small area I would feel familiar ES symptoms. The log cabin has
> sprung a leak in the roof due to poor quality felt and I was slow to fix it
> so now I have to remediate black mold patches that set into the wood and as
> for the wood burner which I made from a gas cinister although a very good
> effort which served me well for 2 yrs I began to wonder if this was cuasing
> me additional problems from both the kindling I was using ie, wooden fruit
> boxes that are likely sprayed over with thiabendozole pesticde and also the
> menace of carbin minoxide in such a small space - I am now saving to buy a
> proper sealed wood burner and stainles steel flue. I also have the added
> menace that when the couple who have the menacing Plasma TV go to bed at
> 9pm, the man at the end of my garden behind the log cabin starts up his Ham
> radio ! i REMAIN OPTOMISTIC nevertheless..
>
> puk
>
>
> In a message dated 23/03/2011 10:40:23 GMT Standard Time,
> cvijovic@... writes:
>
> Hi, Marc!
> Well, regarding wooden shields, I had made some years ago (myself! :-)) a
> totally wooden house (hut) of some 6 square meters only, walls 2 inches
> wood, and it did give somewhat different feeling inside but I am not positive
> on the final conclusion... Than last year I made a bigger hut, of twice
> thinner wood, and the feeling was similar... I was not very happy with it
> (keep old stuff and garden tools now there)...
> But... Maybe it was worth more trials because it does make some
> difference... What I found the most pronounced was some dizziness after prolonged
> stay, like lack of mental brightness, but I dare to say that such dizziness is
> sometimes for me associated with places in wilderness where there is null
> radiation...
>
> Drasko
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Drasko Cvijovic-2

Re: Wood

Charles,
What do you mean by stating dB effect of wooden shields??

Drasko

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> it is not so, that wood is a good absorber.
>
> One may not compare one with another.
>
> With wood, it depends on the type of wood as well as the frequency..
> In general the shiedling is ca 15 dB for GSM900, and ca 30 dB for GSM1800 and 3G.
>
> Prof. Pauli and dr. Moldan did test a number of building materials qua shielding factor.
> It is available in a booklet: Reduzierung hochfrequenter Strahlung, Baustoffe und Abschirmmaterialien.
> It is written for building biologists.
>
> Be aware that in concrete, the metal reinforcement bars do work like an antenna, and they can work like a transmitter.
> They should be grounded correctly.
>
> A wooden house does not have these metal bars, but the electrical conduit cables may give electrical fields.
>
> I have measured, that some shielded cables may also work as an antenna, and their outer layer may bring GSM signals into the house.
> But tehre is also good paint, which keeps the high frequencies out, as well as the electrical fields.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: stephen_vandevijvere
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 10:29 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Wood
>
>
> Previously some people here said that wood could be a good absorber, so maybe an interesting experiment is shielind material + wood inside...
>
> If I would build something new from scratch I would use concrete everywhere...
>
> I feel better in houses/buildings with a lot of concrete...
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], paulpjc@ wrote:
> >
> > PUK REPLIES - I have a log cabin at the end of my 80m garden its 3.5mx4m
> > made of 28mm sweedish pine, I find the space better than the house ie no
> > electricity just 12 volt lights and a wood burner. One thought is that the wood
> > probably offers very little protection against rf scources so while the
> > space offers warmth and light you are essentially sitting in the open like a
> > sitting duck. I rekon if I sat almost anywhere for long enough in the open
> > in one small area I would feel familiar ES symptoms. The log cabin has
> > sprung a leak in the roof due to poor quality felt and I was slow to fix it
> > so now I have to remediate black mold patches that set into the wood and as
> > for the wood burner which I made from a gas cinister although a very good
> > effort which served me well for 2 yrs I began to wonder if this was cuasing
> > me additional problems from both the kindling I was using ie, wooden fruit
> > boxes that are likely sprayed over with thiabendozole pesticde and also the
> > menace of carbin minoxide in such a small space - I am now saving to buy a
> > proper sealed wood burner and stainles steel flue. I also have the added
> > menace that when the couple who have the menacing Plasma TV go to bed at
> > 9pm, the man at the end of my garden behind the log cabin starts up his Ham
> > radio ! i REMAIN OPTOMISTIC nevertheless..
> >
> > puk
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 23/03/2011 10:40:23 GMT Standard Time,
> > cvijovic@ writes:
> >
> > Hi, Marc!
> > Well, regarding wooden shields, I had made some years ago (myself! :-)) a
> > totally wooden house (hut) of some 6 square meters only, walls 2 inches
> > wood, and it did give somewhat different feeling inside but I am not positive
> > on the final conclusion... Than last year I made a bigger hut, of twice
> > thinner wood, and the feeling was similar... I was not very happy with it
> > (keep old stuff and garden tools now there)...
> > But... Maybe it was worth more trials because it does make some
> > difference... What I found the most pronounced was some dizziness after prolonged
> > stay, like lack of mental brightness, but I dare to say that such dizziness is
> > sometimes for me associated with places in wilderness where there is null
> > radiation...
> >
> > Drasko
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

charles-4

Re: Wood

Hello Drasko,

the effect of shielding is given in dB, as Pauli and Moldan have published in their booklet.
They did so for many materials en shielding materials.
Among them a number of wood types.

The curves shown by manufacturors of shielding materials, like Biologa, are made by Pauli and Moldan.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: Drasko
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:32 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Wood

Charles,
What do you mean by stating dB effect of wooden shields??

Drasko

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> it is not so, that wood is a good absorber.
>
> One may not compare one with another.
>
> With wood, it depends on the type of wood as well as the frequency..
> In general the shiedling is ca 15 dB for GSM900, and ca 30 dB for GSM1800 and 3G.
>
> Prof. Pauli and dr. Moldan did test a number of building materials qua shielding factor.
> It is available in a booklet: Reduzierung hochfrequenter Strahlung, Baustoffe und Abschirmmaterialien.
> It is written for building biologists.
>
> Be aware that in concrete, the metal reinforcement bars do work like an antenna, and they can work like a transmitter.
> They should be grounded correctly.
>
> A wooden house does not have these metal bars, but the electrical conduit cables may give electrical fields.
>
> I have measured, that some shielded cables may also work as an antenna, and their outer layer may bring GSM signals into the house.
> But tehre is also good paint, which keeps the high frequencies out, as well as the electrical fields.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: stephen_vandevijvere
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 10:29 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Wood
>
>
> Previously some people here said that wood could be a good absorber, so maybe an interesting experiment is shielind material + wood inside...
>
> If I would build something new from scratch I would use concrete everywhere...
>
> I feel better in houses/buildings with a lot of concrete...
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], paulpjc@ wrote:
> >
> > PUK REPLIES - I have a log cabin at the end of my 80m garden its 3.5mx4m
> > made of 28mm sweedish pine, I find the space better than the house ie no
> > electricity just 12 volt lights and a wood burner. One thought is that the wood
> > probably offers very little protection against rf scources so while the
> > space offers warmth and light you are essentially sitting in the open like a
> > sitting duck. I rekon if I sat almost anywhere for long enough in the open
> > in one small area I would feel familiar ES symptoms. The log cabin has
> > sprung a leak in the roof due to poor quality felt and I was slow to fix it
> > so now I have to remediate black mold patches that set into the wood and as
> > for the wood burner which I made from a gas cinister although a very good
> > effort which served me well for 2 yrs I began to wonder if this was cuasing
> > me additional problems from both the kindling I was using ie, wooden fruit
> > boxes that are likely sprayed over with thiabendozole pesticde and also the
> > menace of carbin minoxide in such a small space - I am now saving to buy a
> > proper sealed wood burner and stainles steel flue. I also have the added
> > menace that when the couple who have the menacing Plasma TV go to bed at
> > 9pm, the man at the end of my garden behind the log cabin starts up his Ham
> > radio ! i REMAIN OPTOMISTIC nevertheless..
> >
> > puk
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 23/03/2011 10:40:23 GMT Standard Time,
> > cvijovic@ writes:
> >
> > Hi, Marc!
> > Well, regarding wooden shields, I had made some years ago (myself! :-)) a
> > totally wooden house (hut) of some 6 square meters only, walls 2 inches
> > wood, and it did give somewhat different feeling inside but I am not positive
> > on the final conclusion... Than last year I made a bigger hut, of twice
> > thinner wood, and the feeling was similar... I was not very happy with it
> > (keep old stuff and garden tools now there)...
> > But... Maybe it was worth more trials because it does make some
> > difference... What I found the most pronounced was some dizziness after prolonged
> > stay, like lack of mental brightness, but I dare to say that such dizziness is
> > sometimes for me associated with places in wilderness where there is null
> > radiation...
> >
> > Drasko
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Drasko Cvijovic-2

Re: Wood

Charles,
I have just checked briefly that booklet, there is no such thing... You should know that wood has almost no shielding properties which can be accessed solely by objective means, i.e. measured the classic way... Wood doesn't stop EM waves.
What we were talking about are possible wood properties in sense that it gives some *subjective* effect, which is still not well understood.

Drasko

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

>
> Hello Drasko,
>
> the effect of shielding is given in dB, as Pauli and Moldan have published in their booklet.
> They did so for many materials en shielding materials.
> Among them a number of wood types.
>
> The curves shown by manufacturors of shielding materials, like Biologa, are made by Pauli and Moldan.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Drasko
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:32 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Wood
>
>
>
>
> Charles,
> What do you mean by stating dB effect of wooden shields??
>
> Drasko
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > it is not so, that wood is a good absorber.
> >
> > One may not compare one with another.
> >
> > With wood, it depends on the type of wood as well as the frequency..
> > In general the shiedling is ca 15 dB for GSM900, and ca 30 dB for GSM1800 and 3G.
> >
> > Prof. Pauli and dr. Moldan did test a number of building materials qua shielding factor.
> > It is available in a booklet: Reduzierung hochfrequenter Strahlung, Baustoffe und Abschirmmaterialien.
> > It is written for building biologists.
> >
> > Be aware that in concrete, the metal reinforcement bars do work like an antenna, and they can work like a transmitter.
> > They should be grounded correctly.
> >
> > A wooden house does not have these metal bars, but the electrical conduit cables may give electrical fields.
> >
> > I have measured, that some shielded cables may also work as an antenna, and their outer layer may bring GSM signals into the house.
> > But tehre is also good paint, which keeps the high frequencies out, as well as the electrical fields.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: stephen_vandevijvere
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 10:29 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wood
> >
> >
> > Previously some people here said that wood could be a good absorber, so maybe an interesting experiment is shielind material + wood inside...
> >
> > If I would build something new from scratch I would use concrete everywhere...
> >
> > I feel better in houses/buildings with a lot of concrete...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], paulpjc@ wrote:
> > >
> > > PUK REPLIES - I have a log cabin at the end of my 80m garden its 3.5mx4m
> > > made of 28mm sweedish pine, I find the space better than the house ie no
> > > electricity just 12 volt lights and a wood burner. One thought is that the wood
> > > probably offers very little protection against rf scources so while the
> > > space offers warmth and light you are essentially sitting in the open like a
> > > sitting duck. I rekon if I sat almost anywhere for long enough in the open
> > > in one small area I would feel familiar ES symptoms. The log cabin has
> > > sprung a leak in the roof due to poor quality felt and I was slow to fix it
> > > so now I have to remediate black mold patches that set into the wood and as
> > > for the wood burner which I made from a gas cinister although a very good
> > > effort which served me well for 2 yrs I began to wonder if this was cuasing
> > > me additional problems from both the kindling I was using ie, wooden fruit
> > > boxes that are likely sprayed over with thiabendozole pesticde and also the
> > > menace of carbin minoxide in such a small space - I am now saving to buy a
> > > proper sealed wood burner and stainles steel flue. I also have the added
> > > menace that when the couple who have the menacing Plasma TV go to bed at
> > > 9pm, the man at the end of my garden behind the log cabin starts up his Ham
> > > radio ! i REMAIN OPTOMISTIC nevertheless..
> > >
> > > puk
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 23/03/2011 10:40:23 GMT Standard Time,
> > > cvijovic@ writes:
> > >
> > > Hi, Marc!
> > > Well, regarding wooden shields, I had made some years ago (myself! :-)) a
> > > totally wooden house (hut) of some 6 square meters only, walls 2 inches
> > > wood, and it did give somewhat different feeling inside but I am not positive
> > > on the final conclusion... Than last year I made a bigger hut, of twice
> > > thinner wood, and the feeling was similar... I was not very happy with it
> > > (keep old stuff and garden tools now there)...
> > > But... Maybe it was worth more trials because it does make some
> > > difference... What I found the most pronounced was some dizziness after prolonged
> > > stay, like lack of mental brightness, but I dare to say that such dizziness is
> > > sometimes for me associated with places in wilderness where there is null
> > > radiation...
> > >
> > > Drasko
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

charles-4

Re: Wood

Hello Drasko,

your checking was too brief.

http://www.drmoldan.de/html/publikationen1.htm

However, the second edition is out of print, but they are working on the third edition.
And, wood stops EM waves, although 15 dB is not so much, but it is better than nothing.

Another example can be seen here:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pictures/Moldan2a.jpg

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: Drasko
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 3:52 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Wood

Charles,
I have just checked briefly that booklet, there is no such thing... You should know that wood has almost no shielding properties which can be accessed solely by objective means, i.e. measured the classic way... Wood doesn't stop EM waves.
What we were talking about are possible wood properties in sense that it gives some *subjective* effect, which is still not well understood.

Drasko

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Drasko,
>
> the effect of shielding is given in dB, as Pauli and Moldan have published in their booklet.
> They did so for many materials en shielding materials.
> Among them a number of wood types.
>
> The curves shown by manufacturors of shielding materials, like Biologa, are made by Pauli and Moldan.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Drasko
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:32 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Wood
>
>
>
>
> Charles,
> What do you mean by stating dB effect of wooden shields??
>
> Drasko
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > it is not so, that wood is a good absorber.
> >
> > One may not compare one with another.
> >
> > With wood, it depends on the type of wood as well as the frequency..
> > In general the shiedling is ca 15 dB for GSM900, and ca 30 dB for GSM1800 and 3G.
> >
> > Prof. Pauli and dr. Moldan did test a number of building materials qua shielding factor.
> > It is available in a booklet: Reduzierung hochfrequenter Strahlung, Baustoffe und Abschirmmaterialien.
> > It is written for building biologists.
> >
> > Be aware that in concrete, the metal reinforcement bars do work like an antenna, and they can work like a transmitter.
> > They should be grounded correctly.
> >
> > A wooden house does not have these metal bars, but the electrical conduit cables may give electrical fields.
> >
> > I have measured, that some shielded cables may also work as an antenna, and their outer layer may bring GSM signals into the house.
> > But tehre is also good paint, which keeps the high frequencies out, as well as the electrical fields.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: stephen_vandevijvere
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 10:29 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wood
> >
> >
> > Previously some people here said that wood could be a good absorber, so maybe an interesting experiment is shielind material + wood inside...
> >
> > If I would build something new from scratch I would use concrete everywhere...
> >
> > I feel better in houses/buildings with a lot of concrete...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], paulpjc@ wrote:
> > >
> > > PUK REPLIES - I have a log cabin at the end of my 80m garden its 3.5mx4m
> > > made of 28mm sweedish pine, I find the space better than the house ie no
> > > electricity just 12 volt lights and a wood burner. One thought is that the wood
> > > probably offers very little protection against rf scources so while the
> > > space offers warmth and light you are essentially sitting in the open like a
> > > sitting duck. I rekon if I sat almost anywhere for long enough in the open
> > > in one small area I would feel familiar ES symptoms. The log cabin has
> > > sprung a leak in the roof due to poor quality felt and I was slow to fix it
> > > so now I have to remediate black mold patches that set into the wood and as
> > > for the wood burner which I made from a gas cinister although a very good
> > > effort which served me well for 2 yrs I began to wonder if this was cuasing
> > > me additional problems from both the kindling I was using ie, wooden fruit
> > > boxes that are likely sprayed over with thiabendozole pesticde and also the
> > > menace of carbin minoxide in such a small space - I am now saving to buy a
> > > proper sealed wood burner and stainles steel flue. I also have the added
> > > menace that when the couple who have the menacing Plasma TV go to bed at
> > > 9pm, the man at the end of my garden behind the log cabin starts up his Ham
> > > radio ! i REMAIN OPTOMISTIC nevertheless..
> > >
> > > puk
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 23/03/2011 10:40:23 GMT Standard Time,
> > > cvijovic@ writes:
> > >
> > > Hi, Marc!
> > > Well, regarding wooden shields, I had made some years ago (myself! :-)) a
> > > totally wooden house (hut) of some 6 square meters only, walls 2 inches
> > > wood, and it did give somewhat different feeling inside but I am not positive
> > > on the final conclusion... Than last year I made a bigger hut, of twice
> > > thinner wood, and the feeling was similar... I was not very happy with it
> > > (keep old stuff and garden tools now there)...
> > > But... Maybe it was worth more trials because it does make some
> > > difference... What I found the most pronounced was some dizziness after prolonged
> > > stay, like lack of mental brightness, but I dare to say that such dizziness is
> > > sometimes for me associated with places in wilderness where there is null
> > > radiation...
> > >
> > > Drasko
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: Wood

In reply to this post by stephen_vandevijvere

Hi Stephen,

How are you? I prefer concrete, also. In NJ wood houses are the rage. They are really soft feeling, if the radiation is tolerable. In extreme conditions, the geo-stress can eat you alive. I hear that cedar is purifying. I don't know if they make cedar houses, but I want to make pillows out of cedar chips and see if that will offer any comfort.

I wonder what stone houses like the ones in Arab lands would feel like. In NYC, I do get sick, but everything in Manhattan is brick and fortified with steel, so if it weren't in the big city with all the masts and multi-WIFI units everywhere, I might love it. I don't usually feel the lower floors coming in. I don't feel the waves like I do in wooden houses in geo-stressed areas. In a wooden house, I felt emfs from every direction on that hill, even when the electricity had been temporarily turned off. Geopathic stress can wreak havoc on the environment of a wooden house.

Hope all is well,

Pam

--- On Thu, 3/24/11, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Wood
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 5:29 PM

Previously some people here said that wood could be a good absorber, so maybe an interesting experiment is shielind material + wood inside...

If I would build something new from scratch I would use concrete everywhere...

I feel better in houses/buildings with a lot of concrete...

--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

fantasticsam131

Re: Wood

In reply to this post by Drasko Cvijovic-2

What I hear you saying is that if you can't find something in a booklet somewhere to back up something your saying then it can't be true. This is nonsense. You're making two incorrect assumptions here. First you're assuming that if you read it in a book then it is true. Second, you're assuming that science has all the data and information already and that everything is known and is in a book. You're claiming that people who can't give you a reference from a book are being subjective. This is just unclear thinking. If I put wood on my ceiling and I notice that an atomic clock that gets a signal from somewhere in Colorado stops working correctly. And I know that it is the only thing different in that room. Then I am being very objective and making an objective, not subjective, observation about wood as a shielding material. Do I know how wood blocked that signal? Absolutely not. If you can't find an explanation for it in one of your books that doesn't make it subjective.
--- In [hidden email], "Drasko" <cvijovic@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> Charles,
> I have just checked briefly that booklet, there is no such thing... You should know that wood has almost no shielding properties which can be accessed solely by objective means, i.e. measured the classic way... Wood doesn't stop EM waves.
> What we were talking about are possible wood properties in sense that it gives some *subjective* effect, which is still not well understood.
>
> Drasko
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Drasko,
> >
> > the effect of shielding is given in dB, as Pauli and Moldan have published in their booklet.
> > They did so for many materials en shielding materials.
> > Among them a number of wood types.
> >
> > The curves shown by manufacturors of shielding materials, like Biologa, are made by Pauli and Moldan.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Drasko
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:32 AM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wood
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Charles,
> > What do you mean by stating dB effect of wooden shields??
> >
> > Drasko
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > it is not so, that wood is a good absorber.
> > >
> > > One may not compare one with another.
> > >
> > > With wood, it depends on the type of wood as well as the frequency..
> > > In general the shiedling is ca 15 dB for GSM900, and ca 30 dB for GSM1800 and 3G.
> > >
> > > Prof. Pauli and dr. Moldan did test a number of building materials qua shielding factor.
> > > It is available in a booklet: Reduzierung hochfrequenter Strahlung, Baustoffe und Abschirmmaterialien.
> > > It is written for building biologists.
> > >
> > > Be aware that in concrete, the metal reinforcement bars do work like an antenna, and they can work like a transmitter.
> > > They should be grounded correctly.
> > >
> > > A wooden house does not have these metal bars, but the electrical conduit cables may give electrical fields.
> > >
> > > I have measured, that some shielded cables may also work as an antenna, and their outer layer may bring GSM signals into the house.
> > > But tehre is also good paint, which keeps the high frequencies out, as well as the electrical fields.
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Charles Claessens
> > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > checked by Norton
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: stephen_vandevijvere
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 10:29 PM
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wood
> > >
> > >
> > > Previously some people here said that wood could be a good absorber, so maybe an interesting experiment is shielind material + wood inside...
> > >
> > > If I would build something new from scratch I would use concrete everywhere...
> > >
> > > I feel better in houses/buildings with a lot of concrete...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], paulpjc@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > PUK REPLIES - I have a log cabin at the end of my 80m garden its 3.5mx4m
> > > > made of 28mm sweedish pine, I find the space better than the house ie no
> > > > electricity just 12 volt lights and a wood burner. One thought is that the wood
> > > > probably offers very little protection against rf scources so while the
> > > > space offers warmth and light you are essentially sitting in the open like a
> > > > sitting duck. I rekon if I sat almost anywhere for long enough in the open
> > > > in one small area I would feel familiar ES symptoms. The log cabin has
> > > > sprung a leak in the roof due to poor quality felt and I was slow to fix it
> > > > so now I have to remediate black mold patches that set into the wood and as
> > > > for the wood burner which I made from a gas cinister although a very good
> > > > effort which served me well for 2 yrs I began to wonder if this was cuasing
> > > > me additional problems from both the kindling I was using ie, wooden fruit
> > > > boxes that are likely sprayed over with thiabendozole pesticde and also the
> > > > menace of carbin minoxide in such a small space - I am now saving to buy a
> > > > proper sealed wood burner and stainles steel flue. I also have the added
> > > > menace that when the couple who have the menacing Plasma TV go to bed at
> > > > 9pm, the man at the end of my garden behind the log cabin starts up his Ham
> > > > radio ! i REMAIN OPTOMISTIC nevertheless..
> > > >
> > > > puk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 23/03/2011 10:40:23 GMT Standard Time,
> > > > cvijovic@ writes:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Marc!
> > > > Well, regarding wooden shields, I had made some years ago (myself! :-)) a
> > > > totally wooden house (hut) of some 6 square meters only, walls 2 inches
> > > > wood, and it did give somewhat different feeling inside but I am not positive
> > > > on the final conclusion... Than last year I made a bigger hut, of twice
> > > > thinner wood, and the feeling was similar... I was not very happy with it
> > > > (keep old stuff and garden tools now there)...
> > > > But... Maybe it was worth more trials because it does make some
> > > > difference... What I found the most pronounced was some dizziness after prolonged
> > > > stay, like lack of mental brightness, but I dare to say that such dizziness is
> > > > sometimes for me associated with places in wilderness where there is null
> > > > radiation...
> > > >
> > > > Drasko
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
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Elizabeth thode

Re: Wood

I have to agree. We're not going to find official validation for much of this info. A one size fits all just isn't going to work, because there are way too many variables.
We all have different environments, probably vastly diff't when factoring in things like:individual health profiles, cell towers, antennas, bleed thru from neighbors equipt, what house is made of, how old, what type of construction, geo-pathic stress, subterranian water/mineral sources, antenna strength, directional feedback, pools/ponds/parabolic dishes from cable tv- anything that can reflect or amplify signals- the list goes on and on! Same goes for interior of house; such as mirrors, windows ect (yes! mirrors can and do reflect this energy)...Bottom line? Whatever each of us can do, in our homes- that helps to reduce/ lower these nasty energies is validation ENOUGH if "we can feel the difference". I took down: mirrors, the pool, shut off the cable....and this reduced quite a bit of the harmful energies. Turn this whole argument/debate around, for a minute.....did we really need a doctor or a scientist to tell US- that these emf's were affecting us, making some of us very sick? Granted, knowing that many scientists "are" validating what we already know- does make us feel stronger in our convictions....but! We didn't need them to tell us what we already knew firsthand.
Keep sharing, people. Keep being open minded. Remember, all of us are already doing battle with the close minded.
Someone might offer up 10 things that helped them..maybe only 1 or 2 will prove helpful to you..but that s/thing that did work- wil be MORE then you had before!
Blessings,
Lizzie

To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 17:57:26 +0000
Subject: [eSens] Re: Wood

What I hear you saying is that if you can't find something in a booklet somewhere to back up something your saying then it can't be true. This is nonsense. You're making two incorrect assumptions here. First you're assuming that if you read it in a book then it is true. Second, you're assuming that science has all the data and information already and that everything is known and is in a book. You're claiming that people who can't give you a reference from a book are being subjective. This is just unclear thinking. If I put wood on my ceiling and I notice that an atomic clock that gets a signal from somewhere in Colorado stops working correctly. And I know that it is the only thing different in that room. Then I am being very objective and making an objective, not subjective, observation about wood as a shielding material. Do I know how wood blocked that signal? Absolutely not. If you can't find an explanation for it in one of your books that doesn't make it subjective.
--- In [hidden email], "Drasko" <cvijovic@...> wrote:

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adiaha22

Re: Wood

In reply to this post by fantasticsam131

I agree with fantasticsam131, science will continue to evlolve and change. Here there are many gray areas. If the world is so science based then why can't they seem to figure out that the more of these radiations are poured into our natural environment, the more effects will accumulate over time. The fact that the scientific community can't seem to agree on the obvious is a sure sign that science is far from perfect or accurate for that matter.

Let's see... is it string or particle theory? Are there greenhouse gases to contribute to a global warming, or not. I'm sure many Essers like myself felt first and researched the effects later. Most of my research findings have supported my initial insights. There is obviously still much we need to understand about human bodies and proper living environments.

Pamela C

--- On Sat, 3/26/11, fantasticsam131 <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: fantasticsam131 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Wood
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, March 26, 2011, 1:57 PM

What I hear you saying is that if you can't find something in a booklet somewhere to back up something your saying then it can't be true. This is nonsense. You're making two incorrect assumptions here. First you're assuming that if you read it in a book then it is true. Second, you're assuming that science has all the data and information already and that everything is known and is in a book. You're claiming that people who can't give you a reference from a book are being subjective. This is just unclear thinking. If I put wood on my ceiling and I notice that an atomic clock that gets a signal from somewhere in Colorado stops working correctly. And I know that it is the only thing different in that room. Then I am being very objective and making an objective, not subjective, observation about wood as a shielding material. Do I know how wood blocked that signal? Absolutely not. If you can't find an explanation for it in one of your books that doesn't make
it subjective.
--- In [hidden email], "Drasko" <cvijovic@...> wrote:

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fantasticsam131

Re: Wood

I'm not trying to knock science. I'm all for science when done correctly. I just hear people talking in a way that sounds scientific but really isn't. For instance, I once went to a dentist to try to get my mercury fillings removed. Not only did he not want to remove them but he wanted to put more mercury in my mouth. He then walked me over to a cut out of a couple sentence article that he had cut out of the Kansas City Star newspaper. He had put it on his wall. It said something like, "The government says mercury is safe". That proved it to him. He had read it somewhere and he considered the source to be good and the matter was closed in his way of thinking which he thinks is reasonable or scientific. If I put wood up on my ceiling and that is the only thing different about the room and I notice the atomic clock stops working then there is some shielding taking place. All the other variables are the same unless you want to say that the signal is being blocked somewhere else before it gets into the room which I highly doubt.
--- In [hidden email], pamela clemonts <adiaha22@...> wrote:

>
> I agree with fantasticsam131, science will continue to evlolve and change.Â Here there are many gray areas.Â If the world is so science based then why can't they seem to figure out that the more of these radiations are poured into our natural environment, the more effects will accumulate over time. The fact that the scientific community can't seem to agree on the obvious is a sure sign that science is far from perfect or accurate for that matter.Â
> Â
> Let's see... is it string or particle theory?Â Are there greenhouse gases to contribute to a global warming,Â or not.Â I'm sure many Essers like myself felt first and researched the effects later.Â Most of my research findings have supported my initial insights.Â There is obviously still much we need to understand about human bodies and proper living environments.
> Â
> Pamela C
>
> --- On Sat, 3/26/11, fantasticsam131 <aliassmithandjones@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: fantasticsam131 <aliassmithandjones@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Wood
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Saturday, March 26, 2011, 1:57 PM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
>
> What I hear you saying is that if you can't find something in a booklet somewhere to back up something your saying then it can't be true. This is nonsense. You're making two incorrect assumptions here. First you're assuming that if you read it in a book then it is true. Second, you're assuming that science has all the data and information already and that everything is known and is in a book. You're claiming that people who can't give you a reference from a book are being subjective. This is just unclear thinking. If I put wood on my ceiling and I notice that an atomic clock that gets a signal from somewhere in Colorado stops working correctly. And I know that it is the only thing different in that room. Then I am being very objective and making an objective, not subjective, observation about wood as a shielding material. Do I know how wood blocked that signal? Absolutely not. If you can't find an explanation for it in one of your books that doesn't make
> it subjective.
> --- In [hidden email], "Drasko" <cvijovic@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Charles,
> > I have just checked briefly that booklet, there is no such thing... You should know that wood has almost no shielding properties which can be accessed solely by objective means, i.e. measured the classic way... Wood doesn't stop EM waves.
> > What we were talking about are possible wood properties in sense that it gives some *subjective* effect, which is still not well understood.
> >
> > Drasko
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Drasko,
> > >
> > > the effect of shielding is given in dB, as Pauli and Moldan have published in their booklet.
> > > They did so for many materials en shielding materials.
> > > Among them a number of wood types.
> > >
> > > The curves shown by manufacturors of shielding materials, like Biologa, are made by Pauli and Moldan.
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Charles Claessens
> > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > checked by Norton
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Drasko
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:32 AM
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wood
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Charles,
> > > What do you mean by stating dB effect of wooden shields??
> > >
> > > Drasko
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > it is not so, that wood is a good absorber.
> > > >
> > > > One may not compare one with another.
> > > >
> > > > With wood, it depends on the type of wood as well as the frequency..
> > > > In general the shiedling is ca 15 dB for GSM900, and ca 30 dB for GSM1800 and 3G.
> > > >
> > > > Prof. Pauli and dr. Moldan did test a number of building materials qua shielding factor.
> > > > It is available in a booklet: Reduzierung hochfrequenter Strahlung, Baustoffe und Abschirmmaterialien.
> > > > It is written for building biologists.
> > > >
> > > > Be aware that in concrete, the metal reinforcement bars do work like an antenna, and they can work like a transmitter.
> > > > They should be grounded correctly.
> > > >
> > > > A wooden house does not have these metal bars, but the electrical conduit cables may give electrical fields.
> > > >
> > > > I have measured, that some shielded cables may also work as an antenna, and their outer layer may bring GSM signals into the house.
> > > > But tehre is also good paint, which keeps the high frequencies out, as well as the electrical fields.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > > Charles Claessens
> > > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > > checked by Norton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere
> > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 10:29 PM
> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wood
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Previously some people here said that wood could be a good absorber, so maybe an interesting experiment is shielind material + wood inside...
> > > >
> > > > If I would build something new from scratch I would use concrete everywhere...
> > > >
> > > > I feel better in houses/buildings with a lot of concrete...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email], paulpjc@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > PUK REPLIES - I have a log cabin at the end of my 80m garden its 3.5mx4m
> > > > > made of 28mm sweedish pine, I find the space better than the house ie no
> > > > > electricity just 12 volt lights and a wood burner. One thought is that the wood
> > > > > probably offers very little protection against rf scources so while the
> > > > > space offers warmth and light you are essentially sitting in the open like a
> > > > > sitting duck. I rekon if I sat almost anywhere for long enough in the open
> > > > > in one small area I would feel familiar ES symptoms. The log cabin has
> > > > > sprung a leak in the roof due to poor quality felt and I was slow to fix it
> > > > > so now I have to remediate black mold patches that set into the wood and as
> > > > > for the wood burner which I made from a gas cinister although a very good
> > > > > effort which served me well for 2 yrs I began to wonder if this was cuasing
> > > > > me additional problems from both the kindling I was using ie, wooden fruit
> > > > > boxes that are likely sprayed over with thiabendozole pesticde and also the
> > > > > menace of carbin minoxide in such a small space - I am now saving to buy a
> > > > > proper sealed wood burner and stainles steel flue. I also have the added
> > > > > menace that when the couple who have the menacing Plasma TV go to bed at
> > > > > 9pm, the man at the end of my garden behind the log cabin starts up his Ham
> > > > > radio ! i REMAIN OPTOMISTIC nevertheless..
> > > > >
> > > > > puk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 23/03/2011 10:40:23 GMT Standard Time,
> > > > > cvijovic@ writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, Marc!
> > > > > Well, regarding wooden shields, I had made some years ago (myself! :-)) a
> > > > > totally wooden house (hut) of some 6 square meters only, walls 2 inches
> > > > > wood, and it did give somewhat different feeling inside but I am not positive
> > > > > on the final conclusion... Than last year I made a bigger hut, of twice
> > > > > thinner wood, and the feeling was similar... I was not very happy with it
> > > > > (keep old stuff and garden tools now there)...
> > > > > But... Maybe it was worth more trials because it does make some
> > > > > difference... What I found the most pronounced was some dizziness after prolonged
> > > > > stay, like lack of mental brightness, but I dare to say that such dizziness is
> > > > > sometimes for me associated with places in wilderness where there is null
> > > > > radiation...
> > > > >
> > > > > Drasko
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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