Where did this come from? Loni
--- On Sun, 4/24/11, Christina Steils <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Christina Steils <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Why am I not recovering at the off-grid cabin? To: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 3:03 AM Give them this next time! If wireless has no effect then how come? I have the same problem with Friends and family, but when i give them this some start to think, maybe his not mad etc etc Electro-Sensitivity (ES) Electro-sensitive people suffer from a variety of symptoms in close vicinity to electromagnetic fields, Wi-fi, mobiles, DECT phones, baby monitors, certain light sources etc: Headaches, Speech problems, dizziness, chest palpations, tinnitus, sweating at night. skin irritations, pins and needles in the hands in the mornings, short-term memory loss, nauseas, joint aches and pressures at the back of the head as well as in the sinus or forehead area. Even if you are not ES, it is beneficial to turn off your Wifi over night, as well as to ban electrical items, your cordless phones and mobiles from your bedroom. You will sleep much better and are less likely to have an interrupted sleep pattern. Usually waking around 4 am. Another simple test is to stop carrying your mobile on your body (chest or trouser pockets). in many cases people experience the so-called “phantom text messages”. This describes a situation where every now and then you think you had a text message, when keeping the phone in your pockets, but when you checked there was no message. Some even suffer from heart palpitations. If that is case, just try for a while to carry your mobile in a bag or switch it off, while you have it in your pocket. Remember wireless has no effect???? --- On Sun, 24/4/11, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Why am I not recovering at the off-grid cabin? To: [hidden email] Cc: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, 24 April, 2011, 9:58 Its one of the biggest frustrations that comes with ES, only yesterday I went into a pub to see my brother, he was with 2 other family members, he asked me how I was, and so I told him it was the usual story, killing time out of the house until the man over the road turns his Plasma Tv from hell off at 9pm. They all lept down my throat evan though the way I expressed myself was rather quiet and throwaway, all of a sudden the neandertal gene kicked in and they were all ridiculling me, oh you dont want to see my new TV, perhaps the man with the plasma is an alien, getting out their mobiles and waving them about - all very insensitive, I then said to my cousin (as he produced a blackberry from his pocket)on the fact had he read the blackberry manual re holding it away from head and body, I said he better in case in a few years he could be firing blanks ! ( he is only 21) He then became defensive and said in a smarmy way, 99.9% of the population havent got a problem, so putting the world and his wife against me - at this I started to see red and asked him where was his evidence to support that statement, was he an epidemiologist all of a sudden, why are you getting angry he said, cos you are laughing at me ! then there was the mention of phychiatry, they were pressing all the wrong buttons !!!grrr I left with the comment to my brothers, that at least I still have a mairrage and a good family,(they are divorced) despite all my struggles with ES which was a bit below the belt but hey ! Perhaps in the back of their minds they are perplexed at how I can hold a family together given all and sundry, that creates confusion and thus predjudice in them ? Basically I know where you are coming from not once in all these years 10-12yrs to be precise, has any family member given me an sensible supportive advice, just ridicule or patronising comments and so on they have seen my carreer go down the pan, ,e strugling to get a job and so on - its cruel, sadly its a measure of their characters, you just have to deal with each event blow by blow and keep up the hope and self belief and so on puk In a message dated 23/04/2011 17:26:17 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: attitude, at least a little would be a step in the right direction. Showing more empathy and love for fellow man is the greatest commandment. > for not having a job, even tho they know that between illness & pain, pesticides, mold & Smart Meters, there's no safe place I can work & I'm too sick to have a > regular schedule. Does anyone else have these issues? Absolutely. You touch my heart, and I'm sorry I can't provide more help. Stewart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Well said. If we didn't know the cause of our symptoms, we would probably find more sympathy, but because we know the cause, and people don't relate, we find ridicule instead.
As the problem goes global, it should be easier to make people understand. Show them some youtube videos from Japan, Germany, Canada, etc. of people with EHS. E.g., http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqZz-wSqOtY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGrsL74G1lM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NFZ7pVaBmg http://ameblo.jp/kitakamakurakeitaing/entry-10592001752.html http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/ehs.php --- In [hidden email], Elysia Drew <necessejamais@...> wrote: > > Hi, Stewart. My hugs, blessings & prayers go out to all you guys. It's strange, b/c my folks recognize MCS and EHS at times, but then when I need help (ex., I need $700 to get 2 cord of split wood transported up to the cabin by the fall), they just totally resent me, & yet are willing to let my brother make all kinds of mistakes: marrying someone he didn't love, ruining his credit, having kids too early, having unstable employment, barely scraping by academically, & then financially. It all comes down to money. Bottom line is I've cost them more money b/c of all the medical bills, so I'm more of a disappointment, even tho I'm a nicer, more compassionate person whose problems are due to environmental factors completely beyond her control, rather than self-created mistakes like partying too much, slacking off & not thinking anything through. Seems like all of us who have unrecognized, yet extremely debilitating, chronic illnesses keep encountering > situations similar to, or worse, than this. It would be so different if the illnesses were recognized, b/c then family & friends would put the blame where it belongs (on certain corporations & gov'ts) rather than blaming the victim. > I've tried comparing enviro illness to plagues & disease that have wiped out populations in the past, & I think in some ways enviro-illness is worse b/c it's sthg. within our control. It's caused by greedy, apathetic petrochemical, pharmaceutical & telecom industries & gov'ts. We could stop it, but society chooses not to. There's something really disturbing & psychologically damaging about that. It's not some bacteria that wipes out huge swaths of the population & levels the biological playing field, but rather, it affects a relatively amount of people at first, and when we try to speak out about it, we get ostracized & get sicker from more exposures. > It's also difficult not to feel like a disappointment not only to one's family, but also to oneself and humanity, b/c not only can you not protect yourself, it's become impossible to make this world a safe place for future generations. I can't imagine what it must be like to be a tiny baby right now & have no chance for my cells to develop properly b/c of constant interruption & disruption of the bioelectrical intra & intercellular communication vital for survival & good health. I think that, coupled w/ chemical exposures, the EMFs contribute heavily to autism. Ex: I just found out my dad's friend's son, age 2, has autism. I asked if the mom was on the computer a lot & was told she's an online gamer & was online almost 24/7 when pregnant. I can't really fathom how society is going to handle the health costs from this new level of EMF exposure.  > -E. Drew > > --- On Sat, 4/23/11, S Andreason <sandreas41@...> wrote: > > From: S Andreason <sandreas41@...> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Why am I not recovering at the off-grid cabin? > To: [hidden email] > Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 10:27 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Elysia Drew wrote: > > > I'm guessing you're right. I've now gotten so much more sensitive to my cellphone, perhaps b/c the tower is so powerful (even tho. it's probably a little over a mile away). After 1hr. of cellphone use, > > > > Using a transmitter for one hour with EHS is sure to cause severe > > symptoms that will take days if not weeks to recover from. > > > > Even with shielding, the signal can not be erased at such short distances. > > > > > problem, while being resented for being sick, even by those they most care about. My family is upset with me for wanting to give up, but they don't realize I want to give up b/c they keep ridiculing me > > > > In other words, you feel like giving up because they call you a liar, > > and they slander your name. > > All because they have not walked in your, or our, shoes. > > Maybe if you can gently explain it that way, they will rethink their > > attitude, at least a little would be a step in the right direction. > > Showing more empathy and love for fellow man is the greatest commandment. > > > > > for not having a job, even tho they know that between illness & pain, pesticides, mold & Smart Meters, there's no safe place I can work & I'm too sick to have a > > > regular schedule. Does anyone else have these issues? > > > > Absolutely. > > > > You touch my heart, and I'm sorry I can't provide more help. > > > > Stewart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Thanks for that, daunting to say the least, my pain at present is severe
so apart from extraction looks like rcanal treatment is the only last option. I am in the uk by the way. thanks Paul In a message dated 25/04/2011 05:30:00 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: Well said. If we didn't know the cause of our symptoms, we would probably find more sympathy, but because we know the cause, and people don't relate, we find ridicule instead. As the problem goes global, it should be easier to make people understand. Show them some youtube videos from Japan, Germany, Canada, etc. of people with EHS. E.g., _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqZz-wSqOtY_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqZz-wSqOtY) _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGrsL74G1lM_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGrsL74G1lM) _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NFZ7pVaBmg_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NFZ7pVaBmg) _http://ameblo.jp/kitakamakurakeitaing/entry-10592001752.html_ (http://ameblo.jp/kitakamakurakeitaing/entry-10592001752.html) _http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/ehs.php_ (http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/ehs.php) --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , Elysia Drew <necessejamais@...> wrote: > > Hi, Stewart. My hugs, blessings & prayers go out to all you guys. It's strange, b/c my folks recognize MCS and EHS at times, but then when I need help (ex., I need $700 to get 2 cord of split wood transported up to the cabin by the fall), they just totally resent me, & yet are willing to let my brother make all kinds of mistakes: marrying someone he didn't love, ruining his credit, having kids too early, having unstable employment, barely scraping by academically, & then financially. It all comes down to money. Bottom line is I've cost them more money b/c of all the medical bills, so I'm more of a disappointment, even tho I'm a nicer, more compassionate person whos e problems are due to environmental factors completely beyond her control, rather than self-created mistakes like partying too much, slacking off & not thinking anything through. Seems like all of us who have unrecognized, yet extremely debilitating, chronic illnesses keep encountering > situations similar to, or worse, than this. It would be so different if the illnesses were recognized, b/c then family & friends would put the blame where it belongs (on certain corporations & gov'ts) rather than blaming the victim. > I've tried comparing enviro illness to plagues & disease that have wiped out populations in the past, & I think in some ways enviro-illness is worse b/c it's sthg. within our control. It's caused by greedy, apathetic petrochemical, pharmaceutical & telecom industries & gov'ts. We could stop it, but society chooses not to. There's something really disturbing & psychologically damaging about that. It's not some bacteria that wipes out huge swaths of the population & levels the biological playing field, but rather, it affects a relatively amount of people at first, and when we try to speak out about it, we get ostracized & get sicker from more exposures. > It's also difficult not to feel like a disappointment not only to one's family, but also to oneself and humanity, b/c not only can you not protect yourself, it's become impossible to make this world a safe place for future generations. I can't imagine what it must be like to be a tiny baby right now & have no chance for my cells to develop properly b/c of constant interruption & disruption of the bioelectrical intra & intercellular communication vital for survival & good health. I think that, coupled w/ chemical exposures, the EMFs contribute heavily to autism. Ex: I just found out my dad's friend's son, age 2, has autism. I asked if the mom was on the computer a lot & was told she's an online gamer & was online almost 24/7 when pregnant. I can't really fathom how society is going to handle the health costs from this new level of EMF exposure.  > -E. Drew > > --- On Sat, 4/23/11, S Andreason <sandreas41@...> wrote: > > From: S Andreason <sandreas41@...> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Why am I not recovering at the off-grid cabin? > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 10:27 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Elysia Drew wrote: > > > I'm guessing you're right. I've now gotten so much more sensitive to a little over a mile away). After 1hr. of cellphone use, > > > > Using a transmitter for one hour with EHS is sure to cause severe > > symptoms that will take days if not weeks to recover from. > > > > Even with shielding, the signal can not be erased at such short > > > > > problem, while being resented for being sick, even by those they most care about. My family is upset with me for wanting to give up, but they don't realize I want to give up b/c they keep ridiculing me > > > > In other words, you feel like giving up because they call you a liar, > > and they slander your name. > > All because they have not walked in your, or our, shoes. > > Maybe if you can gently explain it that way, they will rethink their > > attitude, at least a little would be a step in the right direction. > > Showing more empathy and love for fellow man is the greatest commandment. > > > > > for not having a job, even tho they know that between illness & pain, too sick to have a > > > regular schedule. Does anyone else have these issues? > > > > Absolutely. > > > > You touch my heart, and I'm sorry I can't provide more help. > > > > Stewart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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