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alinepapille

Waterbeds

Hi All,

Still feel tense and uncomfortable in our bedroom - end up sleeping
in the bathroom most nights.

We have moved digital clock to the far side of the room and still
have a mobile phone + base in the room (if it was solely up to me
they would be out of there immediately).

What I am wondering is: do magnetic fields pollute a room even if
readings are only registered in close proximity?

My husband wants to get a waterbed and I am concerned about this.
Apart from the energy of stagnant water the bed will be plugged in
all day and remain plugged in at night because of the timer.

Even if we could set it up with a battery-powered timer so that it
can be unplugged at night (not sure how that could work) I don't like
the idea of emfs being generated in the bedroom all day.

I don't know if there would be a build-up of some kind of energy but
I understand that metal gets magnetised by emfs.

Still trying to understand how all this works but I have a bad
feeling about it.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Aline

charles-4

Re: Waterbeds

A waterbed is the worst of beds regarding elektrosmog.
The body tension (Volts) will raise enormously.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Aline" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 22:48
Subject: [eSens] Waterbeds

> Hi All,
>
> Still feel tense and uncomfortable in our bedroom - end up sleeping
> in the bathroom most nights.
>
> We have moved digital clock to the far side of the room and still
> have a mobile phone + base in the room (if it was solely up to me
> they would be out of there immediately).
>
> What I am wondering is: do magnetic fields pollute a room even if
> readings are only registered in close proximity?
>
> My husband wants to get a waterbed and I am concerned about this.
> Apart from the energy of stagnant water the bed will be plugged in
> all day and remain plugged in at night because of the timer.
>
> Even if we could set it up with a battery-powered timer so that it
> can be unplugged at night (not sure how that could work) I don't like
> the idea of emfs being generated in the bedroom all day.
>
> I don't know if there would be a build-up of some kind of energy but
> I understand that metal gets magnetised by emfs.
>
> Still trying to understand how all this works but I have a bad
> feeling about it.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Aline
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

pete robinson

Re: Waterbeds

so wot do u recommend
On 27 Mar 2007, at 08:13, charles wrote:

> A waterbed is the worst of beds regarding elektrosmog.
> The body tension (Volts) will raise enormously.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aline" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 22:48
> Subject: [eSens] Waterbeds
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Still feel tense and uncomfortable in our bedroom - end up sleeping
> > in the bathroom most nights.
> >
> > We have moved digital clock to the far side of the room and still
> > have a mobile phone + base in the room (if it was solely up to me
> > they would be out of there immediately).
> >
> > What I am wondering is: do magnetic fields pollute a room even if
> > readings are only registered in close proximity?
> >
> > My husband wants to get a waterbed and I am concerned about this.
> > Apart from the energy of stagnant water the bed will be plugged in
> > all day and remain plugged in at night because of the timer.
> >
> > Even if we could set it up with a battery-powered timer so that it
> > can be unplugged at night (not sure how that could work) I don't
> like
> > the idea of emfs being generated in the bedroom all day.
> >
> > I don't know if there would be a build-up of some kind of energy but
> > I understand that metal gets magnetised by emfs.
> >
> > Still trying to understand how all this works but I have a bad
> > feeling about it.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Aline
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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charles-4

Re: Waterbeds

I recommend a bed without any metal parts.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus

----- Original Message -----
From: "pete robinson" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:01
Subject: Re: [eSens] Waterbeds

> so wot do u recommend
> On 27 Mar 2007, at 08:13, charles wrote:
>
>> A waterbed is the worst of beds regarding elektrosmog.
>> The body tension (Volts) will raise enormously.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>> member Verband Baubiologie
>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>> www.milieuziektes.be
>> www.hetbitje.nl
>> checked by Norton Antivirus
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Aline" <[hidden email]>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 22:48
>> Subject: [eSens] Waterbeds
>>
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > Still feel tense and uncomfortable in our bedroom - end up sleeping
>> > in the bathroom most nights.
>> >
>> > We have moved digital clock to the far side of the room and still
>> > have a mobile phone + base in the room (if it was solely up to me
>> > they would be out of there immediately).
>> >
>> > What I am wondering is: do magnetic fields pollute a room even if
>> > readings are only registered in close proximity?
>> >
>> > My husband wants to get a waterbed and I am concerned about this.
>> > Apart from the energy of stagnant water the bed will be plugged in
>> > all day and remain plugged in at night because of the timer.
>> >
>> > Even if we could set it up with a battery-powered timer so that it
>> > can be unplugged at night (not sure how that could work) I don't
>> like
>> > the idea of emfs being generated in the bedroom all day.
>> >
>> > I don't know if there would be a build-up of some kind of energy but
>> > I understand that metal gets magnetised by emfs.
>> >
>> > Still trying to understand how all this works but I have a bad
>> > feeling about it.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Aline
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

jaime_schunkewitz

Re: Waterbeds

In reply to this post by alinepapille

> We have moved digital clock to the far side of the room

dummp the digital clock.

and still have a mobile phone + base in the room (if it was solely up
to me they would be out of there immediately).

makes no sense. in fact anything electrical should be removed
from the room if your having such problems. you haven't turned
the circuit breaker off?

> What I am wondering is: do magnetic fields pollute a room even if
> readings are only registered in close proximity?

according to my experience, the answer is unequivocally yes.

> My husband wants to get a waterbed

forget about getting a water bed. the vinyl stinks, why would you ever
want another electrical device?

Eli

alinepapille

Re: Waterbeds

Hi Eli & Charles,

As I said, if it was solely up to me I would dump everything.....and
rip out the ceiling fan too. Of course I don't want another
electrical device!

What I am looking for is some answers and explanations to convince my
husband that these things are genuinely a problem - and to not get
another waterbed. He pretty much has to see something on a meter or
have a very clear explanation to believe that there really is a
problem.

We are trying to find a comfortable bed - he is a big waterbed fan
and everything else feels hard and comfortable to him. We just got a
Costco memory foam bed but I realise that the memory foam is only the
top 3 inches (the rest is very compact foam) and even with a
microfiber pillowtop plus additional memory foam top it is still too
hard (even for me).

Are tempurpedic beds 100% memory foam?

Thanks,
Aline

--- In [hidden email], "jaime_schunkewitz"
<jaime_schunkewitz@...> wrote:
>
>
> > We have moved digital clock to the far side of the room
>
> dummp the digital clock.
>
> and still have a mobile phone + base in the room (if it was solely
up

> to me they would be out of there immediately).
>
> makes no sense. in fact anything electrical should be removed
> from the room if your having such problems. you haven't turned
> the circuit breaker off?
>
>
> > What I am wondering is: do magnetic fields pollute a room even if
> > readings are only registered in close proximity?
>
> according to my experience, the answer is unequivocally yes.
>
> > My husband wants to get a waterbed
>
> forget about getting a water bed. the vinyl stinks, why would you

ever
> want another electrical device?
>
> Eli
>

jaime_schunkewitz

Re: Waterbeds

He'll believe you after your discomfort
turns into a full blown break down. Sad.

Just helped my friend with a house he wants to
buy with 5 mg ambient magnetic field. We found
the problem (with the help of an electrician)
it's due to faulty wiring.

Anyway, the owner said her mother always ran
when a microwave oven was turned on due to
heart palpitations. Everyone in her family
thought she was crazy, brushed her off. After
seeing me, and hearing my testimony about ES,
the owner felt terribly guilty, and owes an
apology to her mother. ES is more common than
most believe.

alinepapille

Re: Waterbeds

I won't get to that point. As I said - I currently sleep in the
bathroom (usually the guest room).

I wonder how many relationships have suffered (or ended) due to
differences in electrical sensitivity.

Aline

--- In [hidden email], "jaime_schunkewitz"
<jaime_schunkewitz@...> wrote:

>
> He'll believe you after your discomfort
> turns into a full blown break down. Sad.
>
> Just helped my friend with a house he wants to
> buy with 5 mg ambient magnetic field. We found
> the problem (with the help of an electrician)
> it's due to faulty wiring.
>
> Anyway, the owner said her mother always ran
> when a microwave oven was turned on due to
> heart palpitations. Everyone in her family
> thought she was crazy, brushed her off. After
> seeing me, and hearing my testimony about ES,
> the owner felt terribly guilty, and owes an
> apology to her mother. ES is more common than
> most believe.
>

Ian Kemp

Re: Waterbeds/Relationships

Aline wrote: "I wonder how many relationships have suffered (or ended) due
to
differences in electrical sensitivity."

The answer is, I think, many. The problem is that severe ES seems to defy
common sense for the vast majority of people, it is completely outside
everyday experience. And as yet there is no test for it which can prove it
conclusively. At least for other strange things like rare allergies, the
effects can be seen.

As the non-ES husband of an ES wife, it's certainly been hard for me to come
to terms with. At least I had some preparation, as Sue had been developing
MCS for the previous 2 years and I had got through some of my initial
scepticism. And the causal trigger for the ES was very clear, and it was
unexpected for us both, so it was easier for me to accept that it was
genuine and not psychosomatic. Even then it was hard to cope with all the
sudden reactions to things that had previously been OK, and the disruption
it caused to our lives.

So our sympathies and best wishes go to both you and your husband, and to
all ES people and their partners. Stick with it. We've found, despite all
the stress and pressure and frustrations, that it has also brought us closer
together.

Ian

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Aline
Sent: 28 March 2007 20:54
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: Waterbeds

I won't get to that point. As I said - I currently sleep in the
bathroom (usually the guest room).

I wonder how many relationships have suffered (or ended) due to
differences in electrical sensitivity.

Aline

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com,
"jaime_schunkewitz"
<jaime_schunkewitz@...> wrote:

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Paul Coffman

Re: Waterbeds

In reply to this post by alinepapille

I have had a really hard time with women in my life - I think ultimately
unless the world or you change you need a person with at least some
sensitivities - 'mornal' people simply never get it or understand or think
it will just go away and you'll get over it. We probably need an eSens
dating network....

On 3/28/07, Aline <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> I won't get to that point. As I said - I currently sleep in the
> bathroom (usually the guest room).
>
> I wonder how many relationships have suffered (or ended) due to
> differences in electrical sensitivity.
>
> Aline
>
> --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "jaime_schunkewitz"
> <jaime_schunkewitz@...> wrote:
> >
> > He'll believe you after your discomfort
> > turns into a full blown break down. Sad.
> >
> > Just helped my friend with a house he wants to
> > buy with 5 mg ambient magnetic field. We found
> > the problem (with the help of an electrician)
> > it's due to faulty wiring.
> >
> > Anyway, the owner said her mother always ran
> > when a microwave oven was turned on due to
> > heart palpitations. Everyone in her family
> > thought she was crazy, brushed her off. After
> > seeing me, and hearing my testimony about ES,
> > the owner felt terribly guilty, and owes an
> > apology to her mother. ES is more common than
> > most believe.
> >
>
>
>

--
Paul Coffman

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