Water Ionizer anyone??

Interested to hear if anyone has tried a water ionizer, and what were the benefits?

I have been reading about this for a while now, and finding it difficult todecide.

I like the Detoxifying & Alkaline factors

fnx guys

"Ionized Water is very Alkaline and helps balance the body's pH, which tends to be acidic because of our diet comprised of cooked foods, pasteurized or otherwise processed foods. Soft drinks are the most acid substance a person can put in their body. This acidic condition creates an ideal environment in our body for disease to thrive. For example, accumulated acid waste inthe joints encourages inflammation and arthritis. Because it is very Alkaline, Ionized Water dissolves accumulated acid waste and returns the body toa balance. Keeping ourselves Alkaline is the first line of defense in fighting any disease.

Ionized Water is up to six times more hydrating that conventional water. Water is one of the most important element in the body, which is over 80% water. Ionized Water is fundamentally different from conventional water. This is because the size and shape of the water molecule cluster has reduced in size and changed in shape to hexagonal, which allows the water cluster to pass through our tissue more easily. One of the primary causes of disease ischronic cellular dehydration, a condition which leaves the body's cells ina perpetual state of weakness and defense. One of the major causes of chronic disease is not providing the body with sufficient water. We simply do not drink enough water (at least half our weight in ounces) to keep ourselves properly hydrated and therefore healthy.

Ionized Water is extremely detoxifying. This is also because of the reducedsize and shape of the water molecule clusters. Once reduced, these water clusters pass through the body's tissue much easier and push out toxins and acid waste quite effectively. Water Ionizers have several levels of strength so people who are toxic can begin by drinking mild Ionized Water, slowly drinking it stronger as they acclimate to it."

Hi, Kooky,
 
I looked into that, as well.  The machine ionizer was pretty pricey, but I really liked the concept of the "water splitter", especially if you live in an area where you have spring water (I was told you shouldn't use the "water splitter" machine with city water, which I had/have.)  What made that particularly attractive was you could use the highly acid water by product for cleaning your house, so you were getting efficient use of the water.  But I ended up just alkalizing my water with an additive (Alkalive pH Booster by pHion Corp).    I drank this water for about 18 months and liked the results very much.  It really boosted my energy and my skin was clearer.  On further research, I realized I would probably do as well taking a hydrogen supplement, since what is essentially helping is the increase in negative hydrogen ions in your body.  So I switched toHydrogen Boost (a similar product to the hydrogen supplements Marc and others here
take). 
 
I originally did this PRIOR to becoming so sensitive to emfs (I reacted only to high magnetic fields back then.)  I wasn't trying to address that problem, but a problem that a subset of people with CFS/ME have, which is high serotonin dumping in their urine (as found by taking a 24 hour 5-HIAA urine test).  High *metabolic* serotonin (understand that this is a completely different problem than too high or too low serotonin in yourbrain) leads to a highly acid metabolism, which in turn affects the hydrogen to your mitochondria, etc .  And I was trying to find a fix thatwas cheaper than what I was currently using to address that (Enada NADH--30 mgs/day).  The NADH was killing me financially but I could not functionwithout it.  Later, I found that the Hydrogen Boost worked nearly as well as the Alkalive ph Booster for your water, for less cost (I just take more often to make up the difference), and the Alkalive pH Booster also workedas
well as the Enada NADH for me, for alot less money when I used it.
 
So go for it, Kooky!  ;)  I have never looked into the water alkalizer you mention here.  Is it an additive or a mechanical "water splitter"?
 
Hope it works nicely for you,
Diane

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From: furstc0404 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Water Ionizer anyone??
To: [hidden email]
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Interested to hear if anyone has tried a water ionizer, and what were the benefits?

I have been reading about this for a while now, and finding it difficult todecide.

I like the Detoxifying & Alkaline factors

fnx guys

"Ionized Water is very Alkaline and helps balance the body's pH, which tends to be acidic because of our diet comprised of cooked foods, pasteurized or otherwise processed foods. Soft drinks are the most acid substance a person can put in their body. This acidic condition creates an ideal environment in our body for disease to thrive. For example, accumulated acid waste inthe joints encourages inflammation and arthritis. Because it is very Alkaline, Ionized Water dissolves accumulated acid waste and returns the body toa balance. Keeping ourselves Alkaline is the first line of defense in fighting any disease.

Ionized Water is up to six times more hydrating that conventional water. Water is one of the most important element in the body, which is over 80% water. Ionized Water is fundamentally different from conventional water. This is because the size and shape of the water molecule cluster has reduced in size and changed in shape to hexagonal, which allows the water cluster to pass through our tissue more easily. One of the primary causes of disease ischronic cellular dehydration, a condition which leaves the body's cells ina perpetual state of weakness and defense. One of the major causes of chronic disease is not providing the body with sufficient water. We simply do not drink enough water (at least half our weight in ounces) to keep ourselves properly hydrated and therefore healthy.

Ionized Water is extremely detoxifying. This is also because of the reducedsize and shape of the water molecule clusters. Once reduced, these water clusters pass through the body's tissue much easier and push out toxins and acid waste quite effectively. Water Ionizers have several levels of strength so people who are toxic can begin by drinking mild Ionized Water, slowly drinking it stronger as they acclimate to it."

















     

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Hi Diane: The water ionizer I am looking out is a "splitter", but there are others. I also read that if starting to use a ionizer, it is not advisedto drink any other water.  

I would have read up on Alkalive pH booster. Did you feel the detoxification process using this?  

Electrolytes are supposed to be helpful too, have been looking at this for a while too.

I took ENADA for about a year, imporved, but then crashed horribly. It is far to pricey, and was not sustainable for me.

Hydrogen boost are supposed to be helpful, but each time I found one, therewas some other compound I could not tolerate.

There is one from Lumina, which I am interested in, but, meanwhile looking at other options.

I also have CFS/ME, and have damage consistent with mitochondrial dysfunction, which causes a multitude/various disease state. It is all so complex, with metabolic syndromes and multi systemic symptoms of various etoliogies.  

FNx for the rep.

Kooky



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Hi again, Kooky,
 
I answered your other email to me privately, because it turned out to be totally off-topic.  This one I sent here only because some others here at the forum might want to know more about the water treatment I used.  But it is pretty much off-topic otherwise too.  Kooky, if you wish to discuss CFS/ME further, send your posts to me privately.  That way we will be complying with forum rules.  Hey, I try!  (Marc, I can hear you saying, "yeah, right!")
 
You wrote:
"The water ionizer I am looking out is a "splitter", but there are others. I also read that if starting to use a ionizer, it is not advised to drink any other water."
 
My reply:
I don't remember reading this, but I suppose it could be due to slowing theamount of time it took for you to see good results?   

You:
"I would have read up on Alkalive pH booster. Did you feel the detoxification process using this?"
 
Me:
I wouldn't have noticed that due to the fact that I was on a boat-load of other detoxing agents at the time.  (Detoxing bad gut flora.)  I was blitzed out most days (cabbage headed, as Steph calls it)--I did alot of walking into walls back then.  lol  What I do remember noticing was ALOT more energy and it stimulated my bowels.  I saw that as a good sign that it was increasing my lymphatic circulation, which to that point looked to be barely movable.  You will notice alot of good stuff with the additive, tho I cannot speak to the detoxing.  Here is a site to pHion home pageand the next site is to the water alkalizer I used:
 
http://www.phionbalance.com/
 
http://www.phionbalance.com/categories/Alkaline-Water/pHion-Booster

They have renamed and repackaged the product since I used it, but it looks to be the same otherwise.
 
You:
"Electrolytes are supposed to be helpful too, have been looking at this fora while too."
 
Me:
There are electrolytes which come along with this water additive.  I alsoliked this electrolyte mix when I took it (which was not at the same time as the water additive):
 
http://www.fubaohealthstore.com/ElectroBlast.html
 
I did not buy the Electro-Blast from this site, I got them from the original manufacturer, but couldn't find their website when I entered "Electro-Blast".  However this is the very same product I liked.

You:
"Hydrogen boost are supposed to be helpful, but each time I found one, there was some other compound I could not tolerate."
 
Me:
I had problems finding a hydrogen supplement, too.  I tried the ones Marcas mentioned here, but "Hydrogen Boost" was the only one which worked for me due to not tolerating other ingredients.  Here is the ingredients listfor it incase you haven't checked it yet:

http://www.nutrovita.com/32218/source-naturals/hydrogen-boost.htm

You:
"There is one from Lumina, which I am interested in, but, meanwhile lookingat other options."
 
Me:
I never tried the Lumina one, so I cannot say whether it would have worked or not.

You:
"I took ENADA for about a year, imporved, but then crashed horribly. It is far to pricey, and was not sustainable for me."
 
Me:
Not sustainable (financially) for me either!  Sorry to hear about your crash!  Was it from over extending and then the ENADA wasn't "bringing you back"?  Ultimately, the only thing I've found which "brings me back" fromevery crash is the Calcium AEP and pantethine.  Once I respond to those,tho, the hydrogen can then help.  Hydrogen especially helps with my stamina.  I can still have periods where I over-extend and stress myself out.  But I have always responded within hours to a day (or infrequently two) from stress using my supplements and my energy returned in full (till I had my recent accident).

You:
"I also have CFS/ME, and have damage consistent with mitochondrial dysfunction, which causes a multitude/various disease state. It is all so complex, with metabolic syndromes and multi systemic symptoms of various etoliogies."
 
Me:
I also was dxed with CFS, tho I consider myself really fairly recovered. I am having more problems, however, right now with exhaustion, since my hand accident (the first time I have had exhaustion which lasted more than 2 days in 5 years and I like to hike and bike, so that is saying something).  I am chalking it up to anti-biotics I had to take during and after surgery, stress, bad diet from hubby cooking for me..... (lol  he loves to use sugar and yeast....  Bless him, he thinks someone recovering from surgery should have a hot fudge sundae daily!  lol  He introduced me to Hag n Daz chocolate icecream, Kooky, and now I need a 12 step program to kick the habit, but at least this was an improvement from his original daily trip to Dairy Queen for sundaes.)  Luckily I am now chief cook again; just in time to save myself from a diabetic emergency.  ;)  But I have had to resort to killing off bad gut bugs and probiotics again.  BTW, killing off
the beastly gut bugs really helped my CFS and FM alot.  I highly recommend that if you are not seeing help with supplements and other things and you have not given that a try.  It is not an overnight fix kind of thing, tho--if you haven't really worked at it, you won't get good results, imo. It takes at least 2 years of concerted effort.
 
I wish you health,
Diane
















     

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Thanks for the links, will check them out, when I have a little more energy,   Totally agree about CFS/ME being discussed back channel, that's why Ireplied privately to your previous mail.

At the mo, I am very limited to taking supps, can just dipped my tongue in capsules and try to increase to tolerance level. 

Absolutely right about trying various therapies, and yes, progress and improvement for some can take two to three years, depending on finance, and forothers, decline 

...

Hum, yes, back to EMS/ES

Kooky



--- On Mon, 10/26/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Water Ionizer anyone??
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 5:06 PM






 




   
Hi again, Kooky,

 

I answered your other email to me privately, because it turned out to be totally off-topic.  This one I sent here only because some others here at the forum might want to know more about the water treatment I used.  But it is pretty much off-topic otherwise too.  Kooky, if you wish to discuss CFS/ME further, send your posts to me privately.  That way we will be complying with forum rules.  Hey, I try!  (Marc, I can hear you saying, "yeah, right!")


 

You wrote:

"The water ionizer I am looking out is a "splitter", but there are others. I also read that if starting to use a ionizer, it is not advised to drink any other water."

 

My reply:

I don't remember reading this, but I suppose it could be due to slowing theamount of time it took for you to see good results?   



You:

"I would have read up on Alkalive pH booster. Did you feel the detoxification process using this?"

 

Me:

I wouldn't have noticed that due to the fact that I was on a boat-load of other detoxing agents at the time.  (Detoxing bad gut flora.)  I was blitzed out most days (cabbage headed, as Steph calls it)--I did alot of walking into walls back then.  lol  What I do remember noticing was ALOT more energy and it stimulated my bowels.  I saw that as a good sign that it was increasing my lymphatic circulation, which to that point looked to be barely movable.  You will notice alot of good stuff with the additive, tho I cannot speak to the detoxing.  Here is a site to pHion home pageand the next site is to the water alkalizer I used:

 

http://www.phionbal ance.com/

 

http://www.phionbal ance.com/ categories/ Alkaline- Water/pHion- Booster



They have renamed and repackaged the product since I used it, but it looks to be the same otherwise.

 

You:

"Electrolytes are supposed to be helpful too, have been looking at this fora while too."

 

Me:

There are electrolytes which come along with this water additive.  I alsoliked this electrolyte mix when I took it (which was not at the same time as the water additive):

 

http://www.fubaohea lthstore. com/ElectroBlast .html

 

I did not buy the Electro-Blast  from this site, I got them from the original manufacturer, but couldn't find their website when I entered "Electro-Blast" .  However this is the very same product I liked.



You:

"Hydrogen boost are supposed to be helpful, but each time I found one, there was some other compound I could not tolerate."

 

Me:

I had problems finding a hydrogen supplement, too.  I tried the ones Marcas mentioned here, but "Hydrogen Boost" was the only one which worked for me due to not tolerating other ingredients.  Here is the ingredients listfor it incase you haven't checked it yet:



http://www.nutrovit a.com/32218/ source-naturals/ hydrogen- boost.htm



You:

"There is one from Lumina, which I am interested in, but, meanwhile lookingat other options."

 

Me:

I never tried the Lumina one, so I cannot say whether it would have worked or not.



You:

"I took ENADA for about a year, imporved, but then crashed horribly. It is far to pricey, and was not sustainable for me."

 

Me:

Not sustainable (financially) for me either!  Sorry to hear about your crash!  Was it from over extending and then the ENADA wasn't "bringing you back"?  Ultimately, the only thing I've found which "brings me back" fromevery crash is the Calcium AEP and pantethine.  Once I respond to those,tho, the hydrogen can then help.  Hydrogen especially helps with my stamina.  I can still have periods where I over-extend and stress myself out.  But I have always responded within hours to a day (or infrequently two) from stress using my supplements and my energy returned in full (till I had my recent accident).



You:

"I also have CFS/ME, and have damage consistent with mitochondrial dysfunction, which causes a multitude/various disease state. It is all so complex, with metabolic syndromes and multi systemic symptoms of various etoliogies."

 

Me:

I also was dxed with CFS, tho I consider myself really fairly recovered. I am having more problems, however, right now with exhaustion, since my hand accident (the first time I have had exhaustion which lasted more than 2 days in 5 years and I like to hike and bike, so that is saying something).  I am chalking it up to anti-biotics I had to take during and after surgery, stress, bad diet from hubby cooking for me..... (lol  he loves to use sugar and yeast....  Bless him, he thinks someone recovering from surgery should have a hot fudge sundae daily!  lol  He introduced me to Hag n Daz chocolate icecream, Kooky, and now I need a 12 step program to kick the habit, but at least this was an improvement from his original daily trip to Dairy Queen for sundaes.)  Luckily I am now chief cook again; just in time to save myself from a diabetic emergency.  ;)  But I have had to resort to killing off bad gut bugs and probiotics again.  BTW, killing off

the beastly gut bugs really helped my CFS and FM alot.  I highly recommend that if you are not seeing help with supplements and other things and you have not given that a try.  It is not an overnight fix kind of thing, tho--if you haven't really worked at it, you won't get good results, imo. It takes at least 2 years of concerted effort.

 

I wish you health,

Diane



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Hi Kooky and Diane
 
I hear what you say about ME CFS being "off forum limits" but should it really have to be?? - especially when there is so much overlap between the ES and ME/CFS symptoms and many who have ES also have ME/CFS. I for one started off with FM - then got ME (plus MCS) and now have ES. Just a thought.
 
BW
 
Steph
 


--- On Mon, 26/10/09, Kooky <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Kooky <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Water Ionizer anyone??
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, 26 October, 2009, 23:20


 




Thanks for the links, will check them out, when I have a little more energy,   Totally agree about CFS/ME being discussed back channel, that's why Ireplied privately to your previous mail.

At the mo, I am very limited to taking supps, can just dipped my tongue in capsules and try to increase to tolerance level. 

Absolutely right about trying various therapies, and yes, progress and improvement for some can take two to three years, depending on finance, and forothers, decline 

...

Hum, yes, back to EMS/ES

Kooky

--- On Mon, 10/26/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Water Ionizer anyone??
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 5:06 PM

 

Hi again, Kooky,

 

I answered your other email to me privately, because it turned out to be totally off-topic.  This one I sent here only because some others here at the forum might want to know more about the water treatment I used.  But it is pretty much off-topic otherwise too.  Kooky, if you wish to discuss CFS/ME further, send your posts to me privately.  That way we will be complying with forum rules.  Hey, I try!  (Marc, I can hear you saying, "yeah, right!")

 

You wrote:

"The water ionizer I am looking out is a "splitter", but there are others. I also read that if starting to use a ionizer, it is not advised to drink any other water."

 

My reply:

I don't remember reading this, but I suppose it could be due to slowing theamount of time it took for you to see good results?   

You:

"I would have read up on Alkalive pH booster. Did you feel the detoxification process using this?"

 

Me:

I wouldn't have noticed that due to the fact that I was on a boat-load of other detoxing agents at the time.  (Detoxing bad gut flora.)  I was blitzed out most days (cabbage headed, as Steph calls it)--I did alot of walking into walls back then.  lol  What I do remember noticing was ALOT more energy and it stimulated my bowels.  I saw that as a good sign that it was increasing my lymphatic circulation, which to that point looked to be barely movable.  You will notice alot of good stuff with the additive, tho I cannot speak to the detoxing.  Here is a site to pHion home pageand the next site is to the water alkalizer I used:

 

http://www.phionbal ance.com/

 

http://www.phionbal ance.com/ categories/ Alkaline- Water/pHion- Booster

They have renamed and repackaged the product since I used it, but it looks to be the same otherwise.

 

You:

"Electrolytes are supposed to be helpful too, have been looking at this fora while too."

 

Me:

There are electrolytes which come along with this water additive.  I alsoliked this electrolyte mix when I took it (which was not at the same time as the water additive):

 

http://www.fubaohea lthstore. com/ElectroBlast .html

 

I did not buy the Electro-Blast  from this site, I got them from the original manufacturer, but couldn't find their website when I entered "Electro-Blast" .  However this is the very same product I liked.

You:

"Hydrogen boost are supposed to be helpful, but each time I found one, there was some other compound I could not tolerate."

 

Me:

I had problems finding a hydrogen supplement, too.  I tried the ones Marcas mentioned here, but "Hydrogen Boost" was the only one which worked for me due to not tolerating other ingredients.  Here is the ingredients listfor it incase you haven't checked it yet:

http://www.nutrovit a.com/32218/ source-naturals/ hydrogen- boost.htm

You:

"There is one from Lumina, which I am interested in, but, meanwhile lookingat other options."

 

Me:

I never tried the Lumina one, so I cannot say whether it would have worked or not.

You:

"I took ENADA for about a year, imporved, but then crashed horribly. It is far to pricey, and was not sustainable for me."

 

Me:

Not sustainable (financially) for me either!  Sorry to hear about your crash!  Was it from over extending and then the ENADA wasn't "bringing you back"?  Ultimately, the only thing I've found which "brings me back" fromevery crash is the Calcium AEP and pantethine.  Once I respond to those,tho, the hydrogen can then help.  Hydrogen especially helps with my stamina.  I can still have periods where I over-extend and stress myself out.  But I have always responded within hours to a day (or infrequently two) from stress using my supplements and my energy returned in full (till I had my recent accident).

You:

"I also have CFS/ME, and have damage consistent with mitochondrial dysfunction, which causes a multitude/various disease state. It is all so complex, with metabolic syndromes and multi systemic symptoms of various etoliogies."

 

Me:

I also was dxed with CFS, tho I consider myself really fairly recovered. I am having more problems, however, right now with exhaustion, since my hand accident (the first time I have had exhaustion which lasted more than 2 days in 5 years and I like to hike and bike, so that is saying something).  I am chalking it up to anti-biotics I had to take during and after surgery, stress, bad diet from hubby cooking for me..... (lol  he loves to use sugar and yeast....  Bless him, he thinks someone recovering from surgery should have a hot fudge sundae daily!  lol  He introduced me to Hag n Daz chocolate icecream, Kooky, and now I need a 12 step program to kick the habit, but at least this was an improvement from his original daily trip to Dairy Queen for sundaes.)  Luckily I am now chief cook again; just in time to save myself from a diabetic emergency.  ;)  But I have had to resort to killing off bad gut bugs and probiotics again.  BTW, killing off

the beastly gut bugs really helped my CFS and FM alot.  I highly recommend that if you are not seeing help with supplements and other things and youhave not given that a try.  It is not an overnight fix kind of thing, tho--if you haven't really worked at it, you won't get good results, imo.  It takes at least 2 years of concerted effort.

 

I wish you health,

Diane

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> I hear what you say about ME CFS being "off forum limits" but should
> it really have to be?? - especially when there is so much overlap
> between the ES and ME/CFS symptoms and many who have ES also have
> ME/CFS. I for one started off with FM - then got ME (plus MCS) and now
> have ES.

Use your best judgment -- it's true that many folks with electrical
sensitivity (ES) also have chemical sensitivities and chronic fatigue,
but this group was created specifically for those interested in the ES
aspects of their health problems. Certainly it is okay to go off on
an occasional tangent, but we don't want to have too much of that here,
as that isn't the main topic of the group.

I do discourage people from posting media articles about cancer and
EMF, as that is not really an electrical *sensitivity* concern, and
is probably better covered in various other EMF groups.

Marc

Hi, Kooky,
 
I am so behind in my mail!  I am not able to be online more than once or twice a week lately, due to my workload.  I don't have the time to answerthis email today, but will give it top priority tomorrow.  Please forgive my lateness.
 
I wish you health and abundant happiness,
Diane

--- On Sat, 10/24/09, furstc0404 <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: furstc0404 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Water Ionizer anyone??
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 6:14 PM


 





Hi Diane: The water ionizer I am looking out is a "splitter", but there areothers. I also read that if starting to use a ionizer, it is not advised to drink any other water.

I would have read up on Alkalive pH booster. Did you feel the detoxification process using this?

Electrolytes are supposed to be helpful too, have been looking at this for a while too.

I took ENADA for about a year, imporved, but then crashed horribly. It is far to pricey, and was not sustainable for me.

Hydrogen boost are supposed to be helpful, but each time I found one, therewas some other compound I could not tolerate.

There is one from Lumina, which I am interested in, but, meanwhile looking at other options.

I also have CFS/ME, and have damage consistent with mitochondrial dysfunction, which causes a multitude/various disease state. It is all so complex, with metabolic syndromes and multi systemic symptoms of various etoliogies.

FNx for the rep.

Kooky

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@. ..> wrote:
>
> Hi, Kooky,
>  
> I looked into that, as well.  The machine ionizer was pretty pricey, but I really liked the concept of the "water splitter", especially if you live in an area where you have spring water (I was told you shouldn't use the "water splitter" machine with city water, which I had/have.)  What made that particularly attractive was you could use the highly acid water by product for cleaning your house, so you were getting efficient use of the water.  But I ended up just alkalizing my water with an additive (Alkalive pH Booster by pHion Corp).    I drank this water for about 18 months and liked the results very much.  It really boosted my energy and my skin was clearer.  On further research, I realized I would probably do as well taking a hydrogen supplement, since what is essentially helping is the increase in negative hydrogen ions in your body.  So I switched to Hydrogen Boost (a similar product to the hydrogen supplements Marc andothers
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