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charles-4

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Hello,

healthy people do not have trouble with elektrosmog.

Only people with a damaged immune system may become or have become electrosensitive.

It is a ridiculous idea, that a gizmo can *heal* the sensitivity.

A gizmo does not change the transversal waves from elektrosmog. Not at all.
What is can do, is changing the longitudinal waves (which can reach much farther than the transversal waves, so over a greater distance), which in turn can change a bit in the immune system.

So, for a healing process, it is neccessary to heal the damaged immune system.
Many people do have Candida Albicans, Lyme or remains of the Epstein Barr virus, or uncoped/undealt traumas, inflamed root canals, etc. etc.
Those illnesses or ailments should be treated also.

As long as ailments are present, electrosensitivity will remain; with a gizmo the sensitivity will be less, but not gone.

So a gizmo can help partly, but don't forget to treat the other ailments.
(Otherwise it is *mopping the floor with the faucet open* as we say here, or *running on the spot*)

My wife now has healed completely and does not need any gizmo anymore.
(And she was a heavy electrosensitive 2 years ago.)

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

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jaime_schunkewitz

Re: Warning

But we go to the doctor and all the blood tests
come out perfectly negative Then we're accused of
being delusional. After all, nobody else feels it.

Eli

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> healthy people do not have trouble with elektrosmog.
>
> Only people with a damaged immune system may become or have become electrosensitive.
>
> It is a ridiculous idea, that a gizmo can *heal* the sensitivity.
>
> A gizmo does not change the transversal waves from elektrosmog. Not at all.
> What is can do, is changing the longitudinal waves (which can reach much farther than the transversal waves, so over a greater distance), which in turn can change a bit in the immune system.
>
> So, for a healing process, it is neccessary to heal the damaged immune system.
> Many people do have Candida Albicans, Lyme or remains of the Epstein Barrvirus, or uncoped/undealt traumas, inflamed root canals, etc. etc.
> Those illnesses or ailments should be treated also.
>
> As long as ailments are present, electrosensitivity will remain; with a gizmo the sensitivity will be less, but not gone.
>
> So a gizmo can help partly, but don't forget to treat the other ailments.
> (Otherwise it is *mopping the floor with the faucet open* as we say here,or *running on the spot*)
>
> My wife now has healed completely and does not need any gizmo anymore.
> (And she was a heavy electrosensitive 2 years ago.)
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Marc Martin

Re: Warning

Administrator

> But we go to the doctor and all the blood tests
> come out perfectly negative Then we're accused of
> being delusional. After all, nobody else feels it.

Yes, but often times the test results are wrong, as
the tests themselves have fundamental flaws.
Or there is no good test for some things...

I view devices as something that can make you feel
better while trying to find something that will
solve the underlying cause.

Marc

BiBrun

Re: Warning

I suppose inflammation is a factor.

The added chapter in the revised edition of Blaylock's
Excitotoxins book says aspirin and ibuprofen and other
pain killers may help against excitotoxicity. I'm curious
if anyone has found these helpful.

Bill

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> > But we go to the doctor and all the blood tests
> > come out perfectly negative Then we're accused of
> > being delusional. After all, nobody else feels it.
>
> Yes, but often times the test results are wrong, as
> the tests themselves have fundamental flaws.
> Or there is no good test for some things...
>
> I view devices as something that can make you feel
> better while trying to find something that will
> solve the underlying cause.
>
> Marc
>
>

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Loni Rosser

Re: Warning

In reply to this post by charles-4

Hi Charles,

How the heck do you heal yourself when you are living in the exposure. I know I could do it but I am so exposed where I live. Body doesn't get the opportunity to heal so much.

This might be redundant but what was you're wifes protocol to heal herself?I know you talk about healing the immune system & I am working on that.

I agree with you about the gizmos!

Loni

--- On Mon, 5/3/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Warning
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, May 3, 2010, 1:21 AM

Hello,

healthy people do not have trouble with elektrosmog.

Only people with a damaged immune system may become or have become electrosensitive.

It is a ridiculous idea, that a gizmo can *heal* the sensitivity.

A gizmo does not change the transversal waves from elektrosmog. Not at all.
What is can do, is changing the longitudinal waves (which can reach much farther than the transversal waves, so over a greater distance), which in turn can change a bit in the immune system.

So, for a healing process, it is neccessary to heal the damaged immune system.
Many people do have Candida Albicans, Lyme or remains of the Epstein Barr virus, or uncoped/undealt traumas, inflamed root canals, etc. etc.
Those illnesses or ailments should be treated also.

As long as ailments are present, electrosensitivity will remain; with a gizmo the sensitivity will be less, but not gone.

So a gizmo can help partly, but don't forget to treat the other ailments.
(Otherwise it is *mopping the floor with the faucet open* as we say here, or *running on the spot*)

My wife now has healed completely and does not need any gizmo anymore.
(And she was a heavy electrosensitive 2 years ago.)

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Norton

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Re: Warning

In reply to this post by BiBrun

no, I find Xanax helpful. Calms the central nervous system down.
Kris

________________________________
From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 10:02:24 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Warning

I suppose inflammation is a factor.

The added chapter in the revised edition of Blaylock's
Excitotoxins book says aspirin and ibuprofen and other
pain killers may help against excitotoxicity. I'm curious
if anyone has found these helpful.

Bill

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

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jaime_schunkewitz

Re: Warning

Xanax helps the anxiety aspect of the syndrome for sure.
I'd be a raving maniac without it. Risperdal helps relieve
some of the chest pains.

It seems that no matter how much pain reliever I take
the headaches still persist. Aspirin just aggravates the
tinnitus.

My idiot doctor wants me to take a CAT scan for my migraines.
After all I'm delusional so EMF can't be the cause.

Has anyone had a CAT scan? Any side affects? What is it, 1000
times the radiation of one x-ray?
Eli

--- In [hidden email], K <kfarming@...> wrote:

>
> no, I find Xanax helpful. Calms the central nervous system down.
> Kris
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 10:02:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Warning
>
> I suppose inflammation is a factor.
>
> The added chapter in the revised edition of Blaylock's
> Excitotoxins book says aspirin and ibuprofen and other
> pain killers may help against excitotoxicity. I'm curious
> if anyone has found these helpful.
>
> Bill
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > > But we go to the doctor and all the blood tests
> > > come out perfectly negative Then we're accused of
> > > being delusional. After all, nobody else feels it.
> >
> > Yes, but often times the test results are wrong, as
> > the tests themselves have fundamental flaws.
> > Or there is no good test for some things...
> >
> > I view devices as something that can make you feel
> > better while trying to find something that will
> > solve the underlying cause.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Andrew McAfee

CAT scan-Lyme test

My latest working hypothesis is that Lyme and other bioweapon
organisms sequester iron and other metals within themselves and that
is what resonates with the radio/microwave radiation.

I don't dispute all of the other causes and effects and reactions as
they may be also contributing to an ES condition.

I think a Lyme test may be in order. This one tests for the organism
through an antigen test vs. the antibody test.
http://www.centralfloridaresearch.com/home

I have just ordered one and will let you know if my hypothesis is
working. I have had other positives from biofeedback type machines but
negatives through the mainstream tests.

I think a CAT scan may be revealing and I am curious what you would
find. I personally will not do a CAT or MRI because of the harm it
will do.

1 cent,

Andrew

On May 3, 2010, at 5:38 PM, jaime_schunkewitz wrote:

>
>
> Xanax helps the anxiety aspect of the syndrome for sure.
> I'd be a raving maniac without it. Risperdal helps relieve
> some of the chest pains.
>
> It seems that no matter how much pain reliever I take
> the headaches still persist. Aspirin just aggravates the
> tinnitus.
>
> My idiot doctor wants me to take a CAT scan for my migraines.
> After all I'm delusional so EMF can't be the cause.
>
> Has anyone had a CAT scan? Any side affects? What is it, 1000
> times the radiation of one x-ray?
> Eli
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], K <kfarming@...> wrote:
>>
>> no, I find Xanax helpful. Calms the central nervous system down.
>> Kris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@...>
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 10:02:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Warning
>>
>> I suppose inflammation is a factor.
>>
>> The added chapter in the revised edition of Blaylock's
>> Excitotoxins book says aspirin and ibuprofen and other
>> pain killers may help against excitotoxicity. I'm curious
>> if anyone has found these helpful.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> But we go to the doctor and all the blood tests
>>>> come out perfectly negative Then we're accused of
>>>> being delusional. After all, nobody else feels it.
>>>
>>> Yes, but often times the test results are wrong, as
>>> the tests themselves have fundamental flaws.
>>> Or there is no good test for some things...
>>>
>>> I view devices as something that can make you feel
>>> better while trying to find something that will
>>> solve the underlying cause.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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cris_aov

Re: CAT scan-Lyme test

i have lyme disease, the best lab in the west coast to get tested is calledIgenix, many other labs do lyme tests but they dont do the tests right so there a much higher chance of getting a false negative. The first Lyme doctor I saw made me get tested right away through igenix and I got a inconclusive result, so its also good idea to do around three weeks of antibiotics and then get tested, it lowers youre chances of getting a false negative, thats what Im did and Im waiting for my results. But theres also alot of people who get tested and never test positive, but they are able to show lyme activity throuh SPECT scans of their brain or they simply improve with lymetreatment.

-Cris

BiBrun

Re: Warning

In reply to this post by jaime_schunkewitz

I've had 2 CAT scans, but they were before my real EMF
problems started (but maybe helped cause them?).
They showed "non-specific enlargement" of cisterna magna etc.
They claimed I was born that way, yet the 2 images are different.

I personally would not get a CAT scan unless my problems
were getting worse and I thought there might be an operable
tumor.

For diagnosis, I would try to get a TOF PET scan (least radiation). Or
maybe
a SPECT scan. But you're not going to find something that
can be fixed most likely.

Try convincing your doctor to go to this meeting next month:

http://aehf.com/symposium_2010/index.html

Actually I am thinking of going, if anyone knows anyplace to
stay in Dallas that is not Wi-Max to the max.

I was reading some of the book "Knockout" by Suzanne Somers.
It's got great lessons on not listening to your doctor unless you've
got a really good one.

There's a part of the book with advice from Blaylock. He says he
would not get radiation or chemo for cancer (with maybe exceptions
for radiation for some very fast growing ones). He says turmeric,
berries, D-3, olive oil, and good water are the best weapons we have.

By the way, I've got some ginkgo now that I think is easier to tolerate.
It's by Natrol. And I'm still a big fan of flush-free niacin, P5P, coQ10,
C, D-3.

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:38 PM, jaime_schunkewitz <
[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Xanax helps the anxiety aspect of the syndrome for sure.
> I'd be a raving maniac without it. Risperdal helps relieve
> some of the chest pains.
>
> It seems that no matter how much pain reliever I take
> the headaches still persist. Aspirin just aggravates the
> tinnitus.
>
> My idiot doctor wants me to take a CAT scan for my migraines.
> After all I'm delusional so EMF can't be the cause.
>
> Has anyone had a CAT scan? Any side affects? What is it, 1000
> times the radiation of one x-ray?
> Eli
>
>
> --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, K <kfarming@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > no, I find Xanax helpful. Calms the central nervous system down.
> > Kris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@...>
>
> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 10:02:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Warning
> >
> > I suppose inflammation is a factor.
> >
> > The added chapter in the revised edition of Blaylock's
> > Excitotoxins book says aspirin and ibuprofen and other
> > pain killers may help against excitotoxicity. I'm curious
> > if anyone has found these helpful.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > But we go to the doctor and all the blood tests
> > > > come out perfectly negative Then we're accused of
> > > > being delusional. After all, nobody else feels it.
> > >
> > > Yes, but often times the test results are wrong, as
> > > the tests themselves have fundamental flaws.
> > > Or there is no good test for some things...
> > >
> > > I view devices as something that can make you feel
> > > better while trying to find something that will
> > > solve the underlying cause.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> >
> >
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Marc Martin

Re: Warning

Administrator

> I've had 2 CAT scans, but they were before my real EMF
> problems started (but maybe helped cause them?).

Yeah, I was about to say that I had a CAT scan that didn't
cause me any problems, but then I realized that my ES
"started" shortly after that. Although I also had a
panoramic X-Ray of my teeth done around the same
time, which also *seemed* harmless at the time...

Marc

BiBrun

Re: Warning

Arthur Firstenberg says his EHS started many years ago after
having to get 40 or 50 dental X-rays.

Some people's genes are much less good at repairing DNA damage
that X-rays cause.
Microwaves also seem to cause DNA damage.

On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> > I've had 2 CAT scans, but they were before my real EMF
> > problems started (but maybe helped cause them?).
>
> Yeah, I was about to say that I had a CAT scan that didn't
> cause me any problems, but then I realized that my ES
> "started" shortly after that. Although I also had a
> panoramic X-Ray of my teeth done around the same
> time, which also *seemed* harmless at the time...
>
> Marc
>
>

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Gruendg

Re: Warning

In reply to this post by charles-4

In einer eMail vom 03.05.2010 16:44:44 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt
[hidden email]:

> But we go to the doctor and all the blood tests
> come out perfectly negative Then we're accused of
> being delusional. After all, nobody else feels it.

Yes, but often times the test results are wrong, as
the tests themselves have fundamental flaws.
Or there is no good test for some things...

I view devices as something that can make you feel
better while trying to find something that will
solve the underlying cause.

Marc

taking care of the immune system may clear up the electrosensitivity, not
the use of gizmos. But once you are healed and dont feel negative effects
being exposed to electromagnetic waves, this does not mean, that the body is
not any more stressed by electromagnetic waves. The clogging of the red
blood cells still happens and the changes of the brain wave patterns. The body
has to work hard, to cope with this every day 24 hours. So it would be
wise to still use some protection.

I have seen people that were not electrosensitive and found to be less
tired after working for hours in their office with computers while using these
gizmos. Young people in testing their intelligence have shown better
results not having their mobile near them, compared to the situation, whenthe
mobile was on.
One should be aware, what happens to the creativity of these highly
responsible managers, who have to use all day long their mobile phone.

Nobody can judge how much damage is done to business and science through
this interfering with the brains of highly creative people.

dietrich

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skolyer

Re: Warning

In reply to this post by charles-4

Detoxing heavy metals helps me quite a bit. I've read that lead can cause ADD. I've been taking DMSA now for a few weeks and taking a break from all the R-ALA. It is suppose to be good for removing lead. Coulld be the heavy metal lead that causes so much excito-toxicity. I just can't believe that it is something in the food we are eating as some people claim. The DMSA works pretty good but I found I can't take it and the R-ALA at the same time. It is very calming also. I haven't tried any drugs yet and probably won't.

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Loni Rosser

Re: Warning

In reply to this post by BiBrun

What the heck? 40 to 50 dental x rays? Loni

--- On Tue, 5/4/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Warning
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 12:27 PM

Arthur Firstenberg says his EHS started many years ago after
having to get 40 or 50 dental X-rays.

Some people's genes are much less good at repairing DNA damage
that X-rays cause.
Microwaves also seem to cause DNA damage.

On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Re: CAT scan-Lyme test

In reply to this post by Andrew McAfee

If you are going to get Lyme's tested the best lab is Igenex. Multiple tests as well as the CD-57 test will be the most adaquate.
Kris

________________________________
From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 5:03:43 PM
Subject: [eSens] CAT scan-Lyme test

My latest working hypothesis is that Lyme and other bioweapon
organisms sequester iron and other metals within themselves and that
is what resonates with the radio/microwave radiation.

I don't dispute all of the other causes and effects and reactions as
they may be also contributing to an ES condition.

I think a Lyme test may be in order. This one tests for the organism
through an antigen test vs. the antibody test.
http://www.centralfloridaresearch.com/home

I have just ordered one and will let you know if my hypothesis is
working. I have had other positives from biofeedback type machines but
negatives through the mainstream tests.

I think a CAT scan may be revealing and I am curious what you would
find. I personally will not do a CAT or MRI because of the harm it
will do.

1 cent,

Andrew

On May 3, 2010, at 5:38 PM, jaime_schunkewitz wrote:

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BiBrun

Re: CAT scan-Lyme test

Blaylock also recommends getting tested for babesia, which
is also tick-borne.

On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 9:51 PM, K <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> If you are going to get Lyme's tested the best lab is Igenex. Multiple
> tests as well as the CD-57 test will be the most adaquate.
> Kris
>
> ________________________________
> From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email] <amcafeerr%40nc.rr.com>>
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 5:03:43 PM
> Subject: [eSens] CAT scan-Lyme test
>
>
> My latest working hypothesis is that Lyme and other bioweapon
> organisms sequester iron and other metals within themselves and that
> is what resonates with the radio/microwave radiation.
>
> I don't dispute all of the other causes and effects and reactions as
> they may be also contributing to an ES condition.
>
> I think a Lyme test may be in order. This one tests for the organism
> through an antigen test vs. the antibody test.
> http://www.centralfloridaresearch.com/home
>
> I have just ordered one and will let you know if my hypothesis is
> working. I have had other positives from biofeedback type machines but
> negatives through the mainstream tests.
>
> I think a CAT scan may be revealing and I am curious what you would
> find. I personally will not do a CAT or MRI because of the harm it
> will do.
>
> 1 cent,
>
> Andrew
>
> On May 3, 2010, at 5:38 PM, jaime_schunkewitz wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Xanax helps the anxiety aspect of the syndrome for sure.
> > I'd be a raving maniac without it. Risperdal helps relieve
> > some of the chest pains.
> >
> > It seems that no matter how much pain reliever I take
> > the headaches still persist. Aspirin just aggravates the
> > tinnitus.
> >
> > My idiot doctor wants me to take a CAT scan for my migraines.
> > After all I'm delusional so EMF can't be the cause.
> >
> > Has anyone had a CAT scan? Any side affects? What is it, 1000
> > times the radiation of one x-ray?
> > Eli
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, K <kfarming@...>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> no, I find Xanax helpful. Calms the central nervous system down.
> >> Kris
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@...>
> >> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 10:02:24 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Warning
> >>
> >> I suppose inflammation is a factor.
> >>
> >> The added chapter in the revised edition of Blaylock's
> >> Excitotoxins book says aspirin and ibuprofen and other
> >> pain killers may help against excitotoxicity. I'm curious
> >> if anyone has found these helpful.
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> But we go to the doctor and all the blood tests
> >>>> come out perfectly negative Then we're accused of
> >>>> being delusional. After all, nobody else feels it.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, but often times the test results are wrong, as
> >>> the tests themselves have fundamental flaws.
> >>> Or there is no good test for some things...
> >>>
> >>> I view devices as something that can make you feel
> >>> better while trying to find something that will
> >>> solve the underlying cause.
> >>>
> >>> Marc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> >
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> >
> >
>
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evie15422

Re: Warning

In reply to this post by jaime_schunkewitz

Hi, Eli,

There are particular tests which *might* come out abnormal but they are rarely tested for in a way which could prove anything. For instance, youmight have your doctor test your blood pressure, heart rate, blood sugar, catecholamines before and after emf exposure. In order to do this, however, you would have to have a doctor who really wants to go there. (And, that is the real problem--finding a doctor who has faith there is a test which would be affected. If you go to a doctor who already believes in emf sensitivity, he will not even find testing necessary.)

Diane

--- On Mon, 5/3/10, jaime_schunkewitz <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: jaime_schunkewitz <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Warning
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, May 3, 2010, 10:16 AM

But we go to the doctor and all the blood tests
come out perfectly negative Then we're accused of
being delusional. After all, nobody else feels it.

Eli

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "charles" <charles@... > wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> healthy people do not have trouble with elektrosmog.
>
> Only people with a damaged immune system may become or have become electrosensitive.
>
> It is a ridiculous idea, that a gizmo can *heal* the sensitivity.
>
> A gizmo does not change the transversal waves from elektrosmog. Not at all.
> What is can do, is changing the longitudinal waves (which can reach much farther than the transversal waves, so over a greater distance), which in turn can change a bit in the immune system.
>
> So, for a healing process, it is neccessary to heal the damaged immune system.
> Many people do have Candida Albicans, Lyme or remains of the Epstein Barrvirus, or uncoped/undealt traumas, inflamed root canals, etc. etc.
> Those illnesses or ailments should be treated also.
>
> As long as ailments are present, electrosensitivity will remain; with a gizmo the sensitivity will be less, but not gone.
>
> So a gizmo can help partly, but don't forget to treat the other ailments.
> (Otherwise it is *mopping the floor with the faucet open* as we say here,or *running on the spot*)
>
> My wife now has healed completely and does not need any gizmo anymore.
> (And she was a heavy electrosensitive 2 years ago.)
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes. nl
> www.milieuziektes. be
> www.hetbitje. nl
> checked by Norton
>
>
>
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PUK

Re: Warning

In reply to this post by charles-4

what about get an ecg and bringing a dect phone base with you ask the
operator to suspend disbeleif and check the results, add caveat that there is
often a time limit etc.....

puk

In a message dated 10/05/2010 22:34:55 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

But we go to the doctor and all the blood tests
come out perfectly negative Then we're accused of
being delusional. After all, nobody else feels it.

Eli

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evie15422

Re: Warning

That would possibly work, also, Paul. I have also had EMG abnormalites, but at the time I had these, my docs (nor I) had any clue as to the cause. I was once told by a doc that my body magnetism was so high I nearly broke his ECG equipment, tho.

Diane

--- On Mon, 5/10/10, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Warning
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 5:36 PM

what about get an ecg and bringing a dect phone base with you ask the
operator to suspend disbeleif and check the results, add caveat that there is
often a time limit etc.....

puk

In a message dated 10/05/2010 22:34:55 GMT Daylight Time,
evie15422@yahoo. com writes:

But we go to the doctor and all the blood tests
come out perfectly negative Then we're accused of
being delusional. After all, nobody else feels it.

Eli

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