Vitamin B12

Classic

List

Threaded

13 messages Options

ajwelectro-2

Vitamin B12

Hi there

I am currently taking VIT B12 as part of a multi-vitamin. To start to makea difference, can
anyone tell me how much I should be taking? Also, Vit D and Vit A? what amount is
recommended.

Also, whoever it was that said about my magnesium (I think it was Ian), it was low, I need to
supliment by 250mg per sday and hope this makes a difference.

I am trying to order Zeolite in Uk but this is quite difficult, if anyone knows of anywere
reputable, pls let me know.

Thanks again... it really does take some research to get it all right!

Alison

Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)

RE: Vitamin B12

I only take vitamins in response to symptoms, otherwise I find that they cause the symptoms they purport to cure.

its called 'proving' in homeopathy, I believe.

Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of ajwelectro
Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2007 10:05 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Vitamin B12

Hi there

I am currently taking VIT B12 as part of a multi-vitamin. To start to makea difference, can
anyone tell me how much I should be taking? Also, Vit D and Vit A? what amount is
recommended.

Also, whoever it was that said about my magnesium (I think it was Ian), itwas low, I need to
supliment by 250mg per sday and hope this makes a difference.

I am trying to order Zeolite in Uk but this is quite difficult, if anyone knows of anywere
reputable, pls let me know.

Thanks again... it really does take some research to get it all right!

Alison

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

ajwelectro-2

RE: Vitamin B12

Hi Sarah

I do take your point but I believe B12 could help with
my numbness which would be my 'symptom'. My recent
blood tests have revealed I was on the very low end of
normal for all B Vits and I was already taking the
supliment at this time.

I appreciate the feedback but my life has altered so
drastically, I just have to try something maybe a bit
more experimental. I cant just sit here, I have to
keep moving forward as this has really got me down.

I am writing down symptoms and should I feel worse, I
would stop immediately or at least, do as others do,
and lower the dose. I am under the care of one of the
doctors at the London Homeopathy Hosital in London and
will run all this by him before proceeding to be on
the safe side.

Thanks though, I am new to this but I just have to
try...

Alison

--- "Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)"
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> I only take vitamins in response to symptoms,
> otherwise I find that they cause the symptoms they
> purport to cure.
>
> its called 'proving' in homeopathy, I believe.
>
> Sarah
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> ajwelectro
> Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2007 10:05 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] Vitamin B12
>
>
>
> Hi there
>
> I am currently taking VIT B12 as part of a
> multi-vitamin. To start to make a difference, can
> anyone tell me how much I should be taking? Also,
> Vit D and Vit A? what amount is
> recommended.
>
> Also, whoever it was that said about my magnesium
> (I think it was Ian), it was low, I need to
> supliment by 250mg per sday and hope this makes a
> difference.
>
> I am trying to order Zeolite in Uk but this is
> quite difficult, if anyone knows of anywere
> reputable, pls let me know.
>
> Thanks again... it really does take some research
> to get it all right!
>
> Alison
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>

___________________________________________________________
Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html

Marc Martin

Re: Vitamin B12

Administrator

In reply to this post by ajwelectro-2

> I am currently taking VIT B12 as part of a multi-vitamin. To start to
> make a difference, can anyone tell me how much I should be taking? Also,
> Vit D and Vit A? what amount is recommended.

Recommended amounts usually don't matter to folks who are chronically
ill,
as you will have to find an amount that works for you. Some people are
so hypersensitive that a tiny amount will have the intended effect,
while some people have such poor absorption that no amount will help.
Also, be on the lookout for bad reactions -- just because something
is a "vitamin" doesn't mean that it's good for you! You might want
to investigate the debate between synthetic and natural vitamins --
I've always had better luck taking food-derived supplements, either
from food extracts or the actual foods. Also, for absorption problems,
getting supplements which will absorb in your mouth (e.g. sublingual
B-12, ionic minerals) can be more effective than supplements which
must be digested and absorbed through the intestines.

Marc

evie15422

RE: Vitamin B12

In reply to this post by ajwelectro-2

Hi, Alison,

Re the B12.... be sure to either take by injection or sublingually (under the tongue). If you take as a regular supplement and you have malabsorption, as many ES/MCS/etc people do, then the body will not absorb the B12 thru the gut.

As far as how much.... I would go about buying sublinguals and taking them, watching for signs as you are doing, but remember that B12 accummulates over time (as do both Vit D and vit A--these have dietary guidelines and you should NEVER exceed them). What helps you this month, may become excess in months forward. B12 is not thought to be dangerous in excess over a short time, however, as are vits D and A. OR, better, find a nutritionist or doctor to give you the injections and he will regularly draw blood to check your B12 level. One note, tho, I have heard over and over again of people at the celiac forum who report to feel better on B12 even tho they show high blood levels of it. Can't say why this happens, but it does.

Hope this helps abit,
Diane

alison Williams <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Sarah

I do take your point but I believe B12 could help with
my numbness which would be my 'symptom'. My recent
blood tests have revealed I was on the very low end of
normal for all B Vits and I was already taking the
supliment at this time.

I appreciate the feedback but my life has altered so
drastically, I just have to try something maybe a bit
more experimental. I cant just sit here, I have to
keep moving forward as this has really got me down.

I am writing down symptoms and should I feel worse, I
would stop immediately or at least, do as others do,
and lower the dose. I am under the care of one of the
doctors at the London Homeopathy Hosital in London and
will run all this by him before proceeding to be on
the safe side.

Thanks though, I am new to this but I just have to
try...

Alison

--- "Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)"
<[hidden email]> wrote:

__________________________________________________________
Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

BiBrun

Re: Vitamin B12

A hematology doc I went to recently prescribed 1000 mcg per day by injection
for a week, followed by 1/week for a month, then 1/month.
I'm a 160 lb male in my 40's, with B-12 levels measured just 10% below the
normal range. Also had low white and red cell counts.

B-12 is important for neural function, and some people lack the factors
required
for uptake (hence the injections). I have not started my injections yet...

Good luck and let us know how it goes...

Bill

On 10/17/07, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Hi, Alison,
>
> Re the B12.... be sure to either take by injection or sublingually (under
> the tongue). If you take as a regular supplement and you have malabsorption,
> as many ES/MCS/etc people do, then the body will not absorb the B12 thru the
> gut.
>
> As far as how much.... I would go about buying sublinguals and taking
> them, watching for signs as you are doing, but remember that B12
> accummulates over time (as do both Vit D and vit A--these have dietary
> guidelines and you should NEVER exceed them). What helps you this month, may
> become excess in months forward. B12 is not thought to be dangerous in
> excess over a short time, however, as are vits D and A. OR, better, find a
> nutritionist or doctor to give you the injections and he will regularly draw
> blood to check your B12 level. One note, tho, I have heard over and over
> again of people at the celiac forum who report to feel better on B12 even
> tho they show high blood levels of it. Can't say why this happens, but it
> does.
>
> Hope this helps abit,
> Diane
>
>
> alison Williams <[hidden email] <ajwelectro%40yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
> Hi Sarah
>
> I do take your point but I believe B12 could help with
> my numbness which would be my 'symptom'. My recent
> blood tests have revealed I was on the very low end of
> normal for all B Vits and I was already taking the
> supliment at this time.
>
> I appreciate the feedback but my life has altered so
> drastically, I just have to try something maybe a bit
> more experimental. I cant just sit here, I have to
> keep moving forward as this has really got me down.
>
> I am writing down symptoms and should I feel worse, I
> would stop immediately or at least, do as others do,
> and lower the dose. I am under the care of one of the
> doctors at the London Homeopathy Hosital in London and
> will run all this by him before proceeding to be on
> the safe side.
>
> Thanks though, I am new to this but I just have to
> try...
>
> Alison
>
> --- "Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)"
> <[hidden email] <Sarah.Benson%40aph.gov.au>> wrote:
>
> > I only take vitamins in response to symptoms,
> > otherwise I find that they cause the symptoms they
> > purport to cure.
> >
> > its called 'proving' in homeopathy, I believe.
> >
> > Sarah
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
> > ajwelectro
> > Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2007 10:05 PM
> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [eSens] Vitamin B12
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi there
> >
> > I am currently taking VIT B12 as part of a
> > multi-vitamin. To start to make a difference, can
> > anyone tell me how much I should be taking? Also,
> > Vit D and Vit A? what amount is
> > recommended.
> >
> > Also, whoever it was that said about my magnesium
> > (I think it was Ian), it was low, I need to
> > supliment by 250mg per sday and hope this makes a
> > difference.
> >
> > I am trying to order Zeolite in Uk but this is
> > quite difficult, if anyone knows of anywere
> > reputable, pls let me know.
> >
> > Thanks again... it really does take some research
> > to get it all right!
> >
> > Alison
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
>
> __________________________________________________________
> Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good
> http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

jaime_schunkewitz

Re: Vitamin B12

In reply to this post by ajwelectro-2

I get a 1 cc B12 (cyanocobalamin) intramuscular injection monthly.

Can't find methylcobalamin in injection form. Sublingual B12
methylcobalamin is readily available though. The Methyl form is
superior because it crosses the blood brain barrier.

Eli

Marc Martin

Re: Vitamin B12

Administrator

In reply to this post by BiBrun

By the way, if one doesn't want to have injections, there are
oral Vitamin B-12's that are supposed to be absorbable:

http://www.becomehealthynow.com/php/article/suppsalpha/350/

Marc

bbin37

Re: Vitamin B12

In reply to this post by ajwelectro-2

Hi Alison,

I've tried sublingual methylcobalamin B12 and didn't have any
noticeable response. From the information I've read, the central
nervous system only uses the methyl-cobalamin form of B12. If you
supplement with the cyano-cobalamin form of B12, the liver will
convert only a small portion of it into methyl-cobalamin. Trying to
take large amounts of the cyano- form to get a larger amount of the
methyl- form in the body isn't advised since it is an artificial form
of B12 and the process to make the cyano- form uses cyanide.

I supplement with a methylcobalamin injection and it has helped a lot
with my stamina for EM environments and shortened EM exposure recovery
times. As far as I know, injectable methylcobalamin is only available
by prescription. In the US, the McGuff Compounding Pharmacy
(www.mcguff.com) offers it and there may be others.

Beau

--- In [hidden email], "ajwelectro" <ajwelectro@...> wrote:
>
> Hi there
>
> I am currently taking VIT B12 as part of a multi-vitamin. To start
to make a difference, can
> anyone tell me how much I should be taking? Also, Vit D and Vit A?
what amount is
> recommended.
>
> Also, whoever it was that said about my magnesium (I think it was
Ian), it was low, I need to
> supliment by 250mg per sday and hope this makes a difference.
>
> I am trying to order Zeolite in Uk but this is quite difficult, if
anyone knows of anywere
> reputable, pls let me know.
>
> Thanks again... it really does take some research to get it all right!
>
> Alison
>

sctdh

Zeolite UK, US

In reply to this post by ajwelectro-2

Allison,

Try Znatural from Spirit of Sunshine in the UK. I wish i could get it
but it is only available in the UK. That site explains that it is
created by Harvey Kaufman who created the NCD zeolite, but left the
company--i don't know the whole story. This new product and all the
alternatives to NCD are natural and based in humic acid, a nutrient. I
am looking to compare zeolites in humic acid in the US.

Paul

> I am trying to order Zeolite in Uk but this is quite difficult, if
anyone knows of anywere
> reputable, pls let me know.

>

ajwelectro-2

Re: Zeolite UK, US

Morning,

You can get Zeolite in the Uk from:

http://www.thoughtfieldtherapywales.com

email: [hidden email]

I purchased off her a week ago and it arrived the next
day. Pls tell her I recommended you.

Thanks,
I hope this helps,
Alison

--- sctdh <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Allison,
>
> Try Znatural from Spirit of Sunshine in the UK. I
> wish i could get it
> but it is only available in the UK. That site
> explains that it is
> created by Harvey Kaufman who created the NCD
> zeolite, but left the
> company--i don't know the whole story. This new
> product and all the
> alternatives to NCD are natural and based in humic
> acid, a nutrient. I
> am looking to compare zeolites in humic acid in the
> US.
>
> Paul
>
>
> > I am trying to order Zeolite in Uk but this is
> quite difficult, if
> anyone knows of anywere
> > reputable, pls let me know.
>
> >
>
>
>

___________________________________________________________
Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it
now.
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/

sctdh

Re: Zeolite UK, US

I am in the US, not UK.
I miss spoke about the alternatives to NCD. The Znatural does not
have humic acid, but is sometimes described as a purere version of
the NCD.

--- In [hidden email], alison Williams <ajwelectro@...> wrote:

>
> Morning,
>
> You can get Zeolite in the Uk from:
>
> http://www.thoughtfieldtherapywales.com
>
> email: sheila.waye@...
>
> I purchased off her a week ago and it arrived the next
> day. Pls tell her I recommended you.
>
> Thanks,
> I hope this helps,
> Alison
>
>
> --- sctdh <bmfb@...> wrote:
>
> > Allison,
> >
> > Try Znatural from Spirit of Sunshine in the UK. I
> > wish i could get it
> > but it is only available in the UK. That site
> > explains that it is
> > created by Harvey Kaufman who created the NCD
> > zeolite, but left the
> > company--i don't know the whole story. This new
> > product and all the
> > alternatives to NCD are natural and based in humic
> > acid, a nutrient. I
> > am looking to compare zeolites in humic acid in the
> > US.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > > I am trying to order Zeolite in Uk but this is
> > quite difficult, if
> > anyone knows of anywere
> > > reputable, pls let me know.
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________
> Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the

answer. Try it
> now.
> http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/
>

Marc Martin

Re: Zeolite UK, US

Administrator

In reply to this post by sctdh

> Try Znatural from Spirit of Sunshine in the UK. I wish i could get it
> but it is only available in the UK. That site explains that it is
> created by Harvey Kaufman who created the NCD zeolite, but left the
> company--i don't know the whole story. This new product and all the
> alternatives to NCD are natural and based in humic acid, a nutrient. I
> am looking to compare zeolites in humic acid in the US.

Looking at the Spirit of Sunshine website, it appears to me that Znatural
is exactly the same product as Natural Cellular Defense. Harvey Kaufman
never worked for the company that sells NCD -- he worked for LifeLink
Pharmaceuticals, and Waiora (the company which sells NCD) licensed
their liquid zeolite from LifeLink and called it NCD.

As for buying zeolite with humic acid, I don't think it makes much
difference either way... I've tried liquid zeolite products with and without
humic acid, and my reaction was the same (it was intolerable both ways!)/
And one of the companies which sold this (Denali) discontinued their
liquid zeolite product because they determined that it wasn't as safe
as originally thought.

Marc