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Urgently Need Help Re New Wifi Intrusion!

ESther
There is about 10-15 feet of space between my house from the one next to me.  On Saturday, new renters moved in and set up a wifi with TWO signals, which are extremely strong in my bedroom.  I can't sleep there now.  There's only the couch in the living room which is small, uncomfortable, gets the street noise, and not a long-term solution for this senior citizen disabled with ES, MCS, and Lyme.

I need help with two things--1. shielding the bedroom wall, and 2. ways to explain to the tenants what kinds of things they can do to mitigate the effects of their wifi on me.  I'm friends with the owner, and she's aware of my ES, and will help me with the tenants.

1.  Questions about shielding the wall:

I'm limited in physical abilities, but may have some help when my sister comes to visit this weekend from out of state.

What can I put up to reduce/mitigate the RF coming through the wall? The head of my bed is against it, and there's absolutely no other way to have it placed  in that 10X12' room (doors, windows, etc.).  I'm limited in knowledge about shielding, but I believe there are reflecting materials and absorbing materials.  I'm thinking I'd want absorbing so other RF coming in from other places wouldn't be reflected back into the room.  

Is window screening absorbing?  If so, what kind? I need something I can get quickly because after the weekend, I won't have help to put it up.  Not enough time to order something.

2.  What kinds of things could the neighbor do to reduce my exposure.  I know about asking to have them turn the wifi off when not using it, or using shielding on it, like the Signal Tamer. What about the direction it's pointed in? If it's pointed at the back or front of the house, would it radiate into mine on the sides.  

Is there data about wifi itself that I can tell them, such as the distance it goes in feet, and why it's coming into my house, i.e. through walls?  Signal strength, etc.   Is there a simple article that I could print out and give to them?  I always hate trying to explain to people the hazards of wireless because they haven't a clue--have never even heard of ES, much less the biological effects that are happening to them--and they don't want to know.  

Makes me sad.  I know they have a two-year old who is growing up in a pea soup of wireless radiation.

Any ideas, suggestions, or information you can give me will be welcomed with open arms.  I'm feeling frightened and overwhelmed.

Thanks so much.
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Re: Urgently Need Help Re New Wifi Intrusion!

sailplane
You need this:
http://slt.co/Products/RFShieldingMesh/SignalProtectAM2.aspx
Maybe hire a handyman to install it on the outside wall of the house,.. inside it may work but not as good.
they need to adjust the TX Power on their router. If they have a router with TX power it will show in the firmware when they got to
http://192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1  usually the login/password is admin and admin

But, likely they have cell phones and wireless TV and wireless printer, and who knows how many.. and fixing the router to go down a bit will not help enough. This is my situation anyway... one thing ok, but people usually have lots!  So.. you gotta put the shielding. RF Shielding mesh..
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Fog Top
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I've had success blocking wireless signals with aluminum foil (overlap edges) from the grocery store.  I prefer the heavy duty type vs regular, but have never actually used EMF meters to see if one blocks better than the other.  For a spendier shield Reflectix from Home Depot or Lowes works well and is easy to install with long tacks or staples.  Also, thick rolls of foil sheeting from Radiant Guard works very well at blocking RF.  Metal window screen works over windows where you need the natural light, but I have found that it doesn't block RF as well as foil.  Neither foils or metal screens absorb RF; they reflect it but block it from entering an area.  RF absorber materials are usually quite expensive. You might try politely asking your neighbors if it's possible to move their router or wireless devices to a different room further from your wall since you have trouble sleeping in the presence of wireless signals. Perhaps wait a bit until you get to know them. 

From: ESther [via ES] <ml+[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 3:42 PM
To: Fog Top
Subject: [ES] Urgently Need Help Re New Wifi Intrusion!
 
There is about 10-15 feet of space between my house from the one next to me.  On Saturday, new renters moved in and set up a wifi with TWO signals, which are extremely strong in my bedroom.  I can't sleep there now.  There's only the couch in the living room which is small, uncomfortable, gets the street noise, and not a long-term solution for this senior citizen disabled with ES, MCS, and Lyme.

I need help with two things--1. shielding the bedroom wall, and 2. ways to explain to the tenants what kinds of things they can do to mitigate the effects of their wifi on me.  I'm friends with the owner, and she's aware of my ES, and will help me with the tenants.

1.  Questions about shielding the wall:

I'm limited in physical abilities, but may have some help when my sister comes to visit this weekend from out of state.

What can I put up to reduce/mitigate the RF coming through the wall? The head of my bed is against it, and there's absolutely no other way to have it placed  in that 10X12' room (doors, windows, etc.).  I'm limited in knowledge about shielding, but I believe there are reflecting materials and absorbing materials.  I'm thinking I'd want absorbing so other RF coming in from other places wouldn't be reflected back into the room.  

Is window screening absorbing?  If so, what kind? I need something I can get quickly because after the weekend, I won't have help to put it up.  Not enough time to order something.

2.  What kinds of things could the neighbor do to reduce my exposure.  I know about asking to have them turn the wifi off when not using it, or using shielding on it, like the Signal Tamer. What about the direction it's pointed in? If it's pointed at the back or front of the house, would it radiate into mine on the sides.  

Is there data about wifi itself that I can tell them, such as the distance it goes in feet, and why it's coming into my house, i.e. through walls?  Signal strength, etc.   Is there a simple article that I could print out and give to them?  I always hate trying to explain to people the hazards of wireless because they haven't a clue--have never even heard of ES, much less the biological effects that are happening to them--and they don't want to know.  

Makes me sad.  I know they have a two-year old who is growing up in a pea soup of wireless radiation.

Any ideas, suggestions, or information you can give me will be welcomed with open arms.  I'm feeling frightened and overwhelmed.

Thanks so much.


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Miller
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EMF Shielding Paint is supposed to work on RFs. I haven't used it, but it looks like something you could use. I believe it goes on black/dark gray.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007A0RTES/ref=psdc_13399641_t1_B073C4F2NY
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Marc Martin
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Unfortunately though, we've seen some people try shielding paint, and they end up with a room that was worse for them than it was in the first place.  And paint is much harder to "undo" than many things one could try.

Marc
 
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ESther
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Thanks sailplane.  Unfortunately, I'm a renter and can't make alterations to the house's structure, i.e. the outside wall. besides which, the bedroom is on the 2nd floor and the outside wall is stucco.  I figured I could do the inside wall if it wouldn't damage the wall, but then if the shielding is reflective, it would reflect RF back into the room from opposite wall which probably has RF coming through it from the other side of the house, wouldn't it?  House is only 30' wide, room is 14' wide.

Also, I don't understand the grounding plate that's needed with the Signal Protect.  Does the plate have to be grounded, and if so, to what?  Or is the plate itself the ground?

What is TX power on a wifi?  How would a person know if they have it?  Via the firmware?  How does a person find out where the firmware info is?  (Your link didn't work for me and I don't have wifi myself - my router is ethernet only--so trying to explain it to someone else is going to be difficult without understanding it myself.  :-)

Thanks.

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ESther
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Thanks Fog Top.  Helpful info.  :-)
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ESther
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Thanks Miller.  Unfortunately same issue as with my reply to Sailplane; as a renter, I can't paint the house outside.  

Thanks Marc for your comment about paint issue.
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Miller
I could see how painting all four walls of a room in shielding paint may trap rfs within. Perhaps painting just the one wall close in proximity would be better? I was thinking of painting the inside wall(s).
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sailplane
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ESther wrote
Also, I don't understand the grounding plate that's needed with the Signal Protect.  Does the plate have to be grounded, and if so, to what?  Or is the plate itself the ground?
Grounding for metallic shielding is recommended, otherwise EMF fields from wiring in the walls will go into the shielding and radiate into the room. It's not good to be close to this shielding at all if it's ungrounded, but I found even grounded is still not the greatest.

ESther wrote
What is TX power on a wifi?  
The link has to be gone to only when you're at their house on one of their computers.. that's how you find what firmware you have. You go to that link, http://192.168.0.1 or http://192.168.1.1 or even http://192.168.2.1  ..
That's the website of the router. Not all firmwares have TX Power. I gave my neighbor a router with Tomato firmware which has it. You can buy a Tomato router off ebay... or maybe classifieds.

You can do what fog top suggested, it works decently OK, I do use that method too. Just get extra wide foil that is heavy duty, its a bit thicker.. and just pull it up out of the box, and tape it to the top of the wall, then cut at the bottom. Keep doing that and layer overlapping about 2 inches, then spot tape them together here and there. If you tape too much the wall may not breathe any more, so I leave a bit of untaped overlapping parts.

You can also use attic foil, or mesh. I like mesh the most. Foil is very ugly, with mesh you can see the wall still. But with mesh you have to use  small pins so you leave pinholes because it's heavy and falls with tape.  You can get a handyman to build a small wooden frame against the wall that you can line with mesh also, so it's like a mesh wall against the wall, then no need for pins and overlaps can be done a lot tighter against a piece of wood.
Since you need something quick, go for the cheap extra wide foil.. its like $20..and works well, it's just super annoying to see.  I also have a feeling small aluminum particles or positively charged ions may be coming off this foil.. it will get charged from the wires behind the wall.. grounding is iffy with loosely taped foil too. So I don't prefer it, but it does block well. Aluminum is known to cause a lot of health problems, so that's my biggest issue with it.

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sailplane
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Miller wrote
I could see how painting all four walls of a room in shielding paint may trap rfs within. Perhaps painting just the one wall close in proximity would be better? I was thinking of painting the inside wall(s).
If you do the walls, then you have to do the ceiling, floor,  door and tint/mesh over windows too.. and have wires behind walls that run through metal conduit... or have no live wires anywhere within a few feet of this paint.
Doing one wall can work to reduce as long as you never get too close to it.
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Canaree2018
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A word of caution with the paint.I tried this before but because you have waves coming from many directions(especially with the smart meters) it made it way worse. The room could not be used. The first night we slept in it my partner woke up and  fainted at the side of the bed after about 4 hours of sleeping in the room. My partner is not an ES sufferer.
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Canaree2018
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I cover my windows and electrical boxes (Im extremely sensitive to these) with camping thermal blankets but not the $2 ones. You need the heavy duty ones that run for about $15 each (Field and stream Survival Blanket 2.0). If Wifi is still so extreme on you then you must be getting exposed by other means. Once you reduce exposure you will feel better.
Questions to you:
Are you near power lines?
Towers ?
A school?
Close to your a/c or electrical box at home?
Is your computer not properly sealed?
Do you have a metal bridge in your mouth?
I personally went from near going insane to feeling only about 20% sick when exposed,but I made a ton of changes.
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Fog Top
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Canaree, your reactions to shielding paint and a metal roof are not what one usually hears.   RF should not be attaching to a metal roof; it should be reflected away.  Did you have ground currents that house?  Did you measure for magnetic fields?  Shielding can cause problems was when there is still a source of RF being created inside the residence (some electronics without intentional RF output might do this besides intentional RF emitters) which caused more exposure than when it could previously exit the unshielded walls/roof.

From: Canaree2018 [via ES] <ml+[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 1:46 AM
To: Fog Top
Subject: [ES] Re: Urgently Need Help Re New Wifi Intrusion!
 
A word of caution with the paint.I tried this before but because you have waves coming from many directions(especially with the smart meters) it made it way worse. The room could not be used. The first night we slept in it my partner woke up and  fainted at the side of the bed after about 4 hours of sleeping in the room. My partner is not an ES sufferer.


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