Tinnitus/dirty electricity

I'm beginning to think that the symptoms i am getting in the house i am
in might be the result of dirty electricity...possibly.

I wondered whether the tinnitus i have might help to identify the
cause. I can hum the note of my tinnitus, tho i have not yet had
access to a musical instrument to find out what the note would be. If
i did, might that be a way of identifying the frequency that is causing
the problem for me? Are there any recordings or such like of common
hums (that associated with dirty electricity even) or notes that they
might correspond to?

The note of my tinnitus is higher than either the hum coming from my
fridge or from the pole that the transformer near my house is sitting
on. So i'm thinking that its therefore a higher frequency which is why
i am thinking about dirty electricity as a possible cause, tho i need
to read up about it.

(I'm talking to myself now!)
I just accessed a rather vague online keyboard and according to that
my tinnitus is B (in the middle of the key board I think), and what i
hear at the transformer pole is a couple of notes down, A flat, so
not much in it.  

Maybe its not helpful, as the website went on to say that those two
notes represent 246.9Hz and 207.7Hz respectively, which is way off.  
Even the hum from the fridge is around the same place on the keyboard
and that must definitely have a 60Hz frequency.

--- In [hidden email], "asurisuk" <asurisuk@...> wrote:
>
> I'm beginning to think that the symptoms i am getting in the house
i am
> in might be the result of dirty electricity...possibly.
>
> I wondered whether the tinnitus i have might help to identify the
> cause. I can hum the note of my tinnitus, tho i have not yet had
> access to a musical instrument to find out what the note would be.  
If
> i did, might that be a way of identifying the frequency that is
causing
> the problem for me? Are there any recordings or such like of
common
> hums (that associated with dirty electricity even) or notes that
they
> might correspond to?
>
> The note of my tinnitus is higher than either the hum coming from
my
> fridge or from the pole that the transformer near my house is
sitting
> on. So i'm thinking that its therefore a higher frequency which is
why
> i am thinking about dirty electricity as a possible cause, tho i
need
> to read up about it.
>

Your lucky if you only hear one tone. I tend to rate the
severity of my tinnitus on a daily basis. The goal is to
associate the tinnitus with a cause. There are several tones/noises
that are heard:

death tone: this is a low frequency tone, probably 60 Hz.
It's intolerable when loud, thus the name.

crickets: this is a high frequency noise that sounds like
a thousand crickets. This is caused by RF and is always prevalent.
This may also be caused by so called dirty electricity, cell phones,
computers.

laser: when the crickets get really bad, it turns into a
high frequency tone which I compare to a dentist's drill; a
horrible experience, and only occurs when things are really bad.

train: this is the sound a train makes when the the wheels
lock up and screech along the tracks. This tone is almost
always there. This may also be from dirty electricity or the
electro pollution from cell towers, etc.
 
tone a: a distinct tone that is usually from using a
computer/keyboard/mouse. It was reduced after shielding my
trackball. This is probably similar to what you are hearing.

tone b: yet another computer related tone.

Eli

PAUL UK REPLIES
Assuris mentioned using a tone generator on a website to relate her
tinitus to a frequency, I am not sure wether she was implying that the sounds she
experiences are not in the cellpone frequency range, or power frequency range,
but I wonder wether its more complicated than this ie when a sound is
generated externally at say 1000hz when the ears receive this and process it I
guess you would need to apply some weaghting/balance check to the conversion
formulea, so the ears may take an external frequency and it will not be directly
interpreted as that frequncy, hence the frequency of the tinitus would bear
no relation to the frequency of the original sound or emf frequency.
Subjective to say the least.

Has anyone explored the issue of infrasound and tinitus ? their is probably
a relationship here to be found with the facial bones, boney plates in the
scull and the hairs and bones in the ears vibrating. Perhaps Cranial
oesteopathy would be therapuetic here ?

In a message dated 9/30/2007 2:05:32 AM GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Re the tinnitus. With me it's like a frequency sound homes
into my head and if I'm able to stop it at this stage by pressing
the palms of









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Maureen,

you do not *hear* with your ears only.
The whole body picks up sounds and frequencies and transmit them to the
cells.
(That is the principle of bioresonance therapy)

On http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina114d.html
I have placed the Low-power microwave testing which is a US-Army report from
1980, which declares, that when people are exposed to pulsed high frequent
radiation, with very low doses, in the frequency range of 400 MHz till 3 GHz
(the us now surrounding frequencies), then those persons experience buzzing,
clicking, or hissing which seems to originate (regardless of the person's
position in the field) within or just behind the head.

Many people have made the link between their Tinnitus and the mercury, from
vaccines and amalgam.
With good detox, one may release those heavy metals.
We found ionic foot spas a convenient method.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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> From: <paulpjc@aol.com>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Tinnitus/dirty electricity
>
>
>>
>> PAUL UK REPLIES
>> Assuris mentioned using a tone generator on a website to relate her
>> tinitus to a frequency, I am not sure wether she was implying that the
> sounds she
>> experiences are not in the cellpone frequency range, or power frequency
> range,
>> but I wonder wether its more complicated than this ie when a sound is
>> generated externally at say 1000hz when the ears receive this and
>> process
> it I
>> guess you would need to apply some weaghting/balance check to the
> conversion
>> formulea, so the ears may take an external frequency and it will not be
> directly
>> interpreted as that frequncy, hence the frequency of the tinitus would
> bear
>> no relation to the frequency of the original sound or emf frequency.
>> Subjective to say the least.
>>
>> Has anyone explored the issue of infrasound and tinitus ? their is
> probably
>> a relationship here to be found with the facial bones, boney plates in
> the
>> scull and the hairs and bones in the ears vibrating. Perhaps Cranial
>> oesteopathy would be therapuetic here ?
>>
>> In a message dated 9/30/2007 2:05:32 AM GMT Daylight Time,
>> m.a.norman@ntlworld.com writes:
>>
>> Re the tinnitus. With me it's like a frequency sound homes
>> into my head and if I'm able to stop it at this stage by pressing
>> the palms of

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Hello Maureen,

then the only solution for you may be moving to another environment.
Without neighbours, like we did.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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> From: "charles" <charles@milieuziektes.be>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 4:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Tinnitus/dirty electricity
>
>
>> Maureen,
>>
>> you do not *hear* with your ears only.
>> The whole body picks up sounds and frequencies and transmit them to the
>> cells.
>> (That is the principle of bioresonance therapy)
>>
>> On http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina114d.html
>> I have placed the Low-power microwave testing which is a US-Army report
> from
>> 1980, which declares, that when people are exposed to pulsed high
>> frequent
>> radiation, with very low doses, in the frequency range of 400 MHz till 3
> GHz
>> (the us now surrounding frequencies), then those persons experience
> buzzing,
>> clicking, or hissing which seems to originate (regardless of the person's
>> position in the field) within or just behind the head.
>>
>> Many people have made the link between their Tinnitus and the mercury,
> from
>> vaccines and amalgam.
>> With good detox, one may release those heavy metals.
>> We found ionic foot spas a convenient method.
>>
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>> member Verband Baubiologie
>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>> www.milieuziektes.be
>> www.hetbitje.nl
>> checked by Bitdefender
>>
>>

>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: <paulpjc@aol.com>
>> > To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:06 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Tinnitus/dirty electricity
>> >
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>> >> PAUL UK REPLIES
>> >> Assuris mentioned using a tone generator on a website to relate her
>> >> tinitus to a frequency, I am not sure wether she was implying that
>> >> the
>> > sounds she
>> >> experiences are not in the cellpone frequency range, or power
> frequency
>> > range,
>> >> but I wonder wether its more complicated than this ie when a sound is
>> >> generated externally at say 1000hz when the ears receive this and
>> >> process
>> > it I
>> >> guess you would need to apply some weaghting/balance check to the
>> > conversion
>> >> formulea, so the ears may take an external frequency and it will not
> be
>> > directly
>> >> interpreted as that frequncy, hence the frequency of the tinitus
>> >> would
>> > bear
>> >> no relation to the frequency of the original sound or emf frequency.
>> >> Subjective to say the least.
>> >>
>> >> Has anyone explored the issue of infrasound and tinitus ? their is
>> > probably
>> >> a relationship here to be found with the facial bones, boney plates
>> >> in
>> > the
>> >> scull and the hairs and bones in the ears vibrating. Perhaps Cranial
>> >> oesteopathy would be therapuetic here ?
>> >>
>> >> In a message dated 9/30/2007 2:05:32 AM GMT Daylight Time,
>> >> m.a.norman@ntlworld.com writes:
>> >>
>> >> Re the tinnitus. With me it's like a frequency sound homes
>> >> into my head and if I'm able to stop it at this stage by pressing
>> >> the palms of
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To Paul:, i used an online piano, simple as that!

Yes, I had thought myself afterwards that there would be some kind of
change in the sound as it is interpreted by the ears. But I would be
interested if the adjustment is the same in all humans. Surely, we
must all hear the same thing to a certain extent or else there would
be no choirs or orchestras!

I put my ear up against the fridge and there are various sounds but
the bassiest droning one to me sounds like the note G (above middle
C).

I would be interested to know if others hear it as rougly the same,
ie in the area of notes between F and B, above middle C)

To: Jaime

I think mines definitely the 'death tone'. At present it is fairly
background, but when it gets bad it seems to reverberate through
house and body, as Maureen says. Not nice, but hopefully not fatal!
I'm 100 metres from a small transformer for heavens sake!





--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:
>
>  
> PAUL UK REPLIES
> Assuris mentioned using a tone generator on a website to relate
her  
> tinitus to a frequency, I am not sure wether she was implying that
the sounds she
> experiences are not in the cellpone frequency range, or power
frequency range,
> but I wonder wether its more complicated than this ie when a sound
is
> generated externally at say 1000hz when the ears receive this and
process it I
> guess you would need to apply some weaghting/balance check to the
conversion
> formulea, so the ears may take an external frequency and it will  
not be directly
> interpreted as that frequncy, hence the frequency of the tinitus  
would bear
> no relation to the frequency of the original sound or emf  
frequency.  
> Subjective to say the least.
>  
> Has anyone explored the issue of infrasound and tinitus ? their is
probably
> a relationship here to be found with the facial bones, boney
plates in the
> scull and the hairs and bones in the ears vibrating. Perhaps
Cranial

Hi Eli,

my mom also hears "crickets".
I wonder how quickly your tinnitus tones go away when known causes are
turned off?

For everyone, I'll share my mom's experience:

Before moving here, back when they were putting up towers around where
my parents lived, the tinnitus was getting louder for her, and very
annoying.

After moving here 5 years ago, the sound went down in volume. But has
been creeping up in stages, which I believe are when new wireless
services go online around here.

The volume is now back to where it was 5 years ago, and since there are
nowhere near the number of towers or neighbors, I can only suspect
something farther away, or something close and undetectable, unless the
background noise level is considered.

She gets no relief (like I do) when the AC power goes out. I would
assume this rules out dirty electricity as a primary cause.

Stewart

jaime_schunkewitz wrote:
> crickets: this is a high frequency noise that sounds like
> a thousand crickets. This is caused by RF and is always prevalent.
> This may also be caused by so called dirty electricity, cell phones,
> computers.
>

A theory that crosses my mind is blood voltage, if this is disrupted maybe
when the blood circulates around the ears this off kilter polarity may also
contribute to the ringing by cuasing the cillia/hairs to ossilate in response to
overly charged blood corpusles, with thier Heama content and all...
Paul UK






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In a message dated 10/1/2007 5:00:16 PM GMT Daylight Time,
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To Paul:, i used an online piano, simple as that!

Yes, I had thought myself afterwards that there would be some kind of
change in the sound as it is interpreted by the ears. But I would be
interested if the adjustment is the same in all humans. Surely, we
must all hear


PAUL UK replies - There is a good tinitus sound generator to test the
frequency on one of the tinitus support group websites or just google it this would
be good if you are into the sounds jane






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Hi, Eli,
   
I have the "crickets" and "train" tinnitus you mention all the time and have had for decades. I have thought this likely not to have alot to do with EMFs, tho I could of course be wrong. :) But like you, I have many other tones and thought they tend to follow with various illnesses I have had (thus I no longer have a few, since I have recovered from a number of problems). For instance, I used to have loud "ocean waves". They were like roaring waves of water. Haven't had them since 2000. I had at least two big changes in 1999-2000: went gf for celiac disease, and recovered from variousnutritional deficiencies related to that, in particular, anemias from B12 and iron deficiency. Now I never thought of them in the EMF light, just assymptoms of other illness; but that is an interesting thought. Have you seen any research on this?
   
Thanks,
Diane

jaime_schunkewitz <[hidden email]> wrote:
Your lucky if you only hear one tone. I tend to rate the
severity of my tinnitus on a daily basis. The goal is to
associate the tinnitus with a cause. There are several tones/noises
that are heard:

death tone: this is a low frequency tone, probably 60 Hz.
It's intolerable when loud, thus the name.

crickets: this is a high frequency noise that sounds like
a thousand crickets. This is caused by RF and is always prevalent.
This may also be caused by so called dirty electricity, cell phones,
computers.

laser: when the crickets get really bad, it turns into a
high frequency tone which I compare to a dentist's drill; a
horrible experience, and only occurs when things are really bad.

train: this is the sound a train makes when the the wheels
lock up and screech along the tracks. This tone is almost
always there. This may also be from dirty electricity or the
electro pollution from cell towers, etc.

tone a: a distinct tone that is usually from using a
computer/keyboard/mouse. It was reduced after shielding my
trackball. This is probably similar to what you are hearing.

tone b: yet another computer related tone.

Eli



                         

       
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Yes, Charles,

I found detoxing to remove many of my various tinnitus "tones", too! But I still do have the cricket chirp and high pitched screech. (Of course, I am not saying I don't need more detoxing. Seems like that is an unending job.) Interesting subject and interesting about the US army reports! I had never thought of the tinnitus as EMF related till this discussion.

Thanks Charles,
Diane

charles <charles@milieuziektes.be> wrote:
Maureen,

you do not *hear* with your ears only.
The whole body picks up sounds and frequencies and transmit them to the
cells.
(That is the principle of bioresonance therapy)

On http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina114d.html
I have placed the Low-power microwave testing which is a US-Army report from
1980, which declares, that when people are exposed to pulsed high frequent
radiation, with very low doses, in the frequency range of 400 MHz till 3 GHz
(the us now surrounding frequencies), then those persons experience buzzing,
clicking, or hissing which seems to originate (regardless of the person's
position in the field) within or just behind the head.

Many people have made the link between their Tinnitus and the mercury, from
vaccines and amalgam.
With good detox, one may release those heavy metals.
We found ionic foot spas a convenient method.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <paulpjc@aol.com>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Tinnitus/dirty electricity
>
>
>>
>> PAUL UK REPLIES
>> Assuris mentioned using a tone generator on a website to relate her
>> tinitus to a frequency, I am not sure wether she was implying that the
> sounds she
>> experiences are not in the cellpone frequency range, or power frequency
> range,
>> but I wonder wether its more complicated than this ie when a sound is
>> generated externally at say 1000hz when the ears receive this and
>> process
> it I
>> guess you would need to apply some weaghting/balance check to the
> conversion
>> formulea, so the ears may take an external frequency and it will not be
> directly
>> interpreted as that frequncy, hence the frequency of the tinitus would
> bear
>> no relation to the frequency of the original sound or emf frequency.
>> Subjective to say the least.
>>
>> Has anyone explored the issue of infrasound and tinitus ? their is
> probably
>> a relationship here to be found with the facial bones, boney plates in
> the
>> scull and the hairs and bones in the ears vibrating. Perhaps Cranial
>> oesteopathy would be therapuetic here ?
>>
>> In a message dated 9/30/2007 2:05:32 AM GMT Daylight Time,
>> m.a.norman@ntlworld.com writes:
>>
>> Re the tinnitus. With me it's like a frequency sound homes
>> into my head and if I'm able to stop it at this stage by pressing
>> the palms of

Hi, Stewart,
   
My tinnitus "crickets" do not go away when the AC is off, either. But once last year in the middle of winter my "crickets" did go away for awhile! I was surprised at the time, because it was the first time in decades I didn't have sounds in my ears. It actually woke me out of my sleep! It was a very quiet snowy, cold night. There was zero traffic or movement. I have no idea why this happened, but it gave me hope that there was chance of recovery from the tinnitus, which I had just taken for granted would be withme the rest of my life.  

my 2 cents,
Diane
"Stewart A." <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Eli,

my mom also hears "crickets".
I wonder how quickly your tinnitus tones go away when known causes are
turned off?

For everyone, I'll share my mom's experience:

Before moving here, back when they were putting up towers around where
my parents lived, the tinnitus was getting louder for her, and very
annoying.

After moving here 5 years ago, the sound went down in volume. But has
been creeping up in stages, which I believe are when new wireless
services go online around here.

The volume is now back to where it was 5 years ago, and since there are
nowhere near the number of towers or neighbors, I can only suspect
something farther away, or something close and undetectable, unless the
background noise level is considered.

She gets no relief (like I do) when the AC power goes out. I would
assume this rules out dirty electricity as a primary cause.

Stewart

jaime_schunkewitz wrote:
> crickets: this is a high frequency noise that sounds like
> a thousand crickets. This is caused by RF and is always prevalent.
> This may also be caused by so called dirty electricity, cell phones,
> computers.
>



                         

       
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I'm not insinuating that all of my tinnitus
is attributed to EMF. Loud sounds also
triggers it, as well as aspirin. Of course age
doesn't help matters.

Haven't seen any research on this subject. Most
aren't aware there is a link between EMF and
tinnitus.

Eli

This is pretty interesting and I have not had time to read all the follow
ups.
I'm not sure if you are aware that if you change the frequency by a factor
of two it's still the same note, just a different octave. If you divide by
4 then it's two octaves.
So 246 is close to 60 but two octaves higher. If you match tones and don't
have experience
with octaves or are not using speakers with good bass response you might get
the wrong
octave?

Bill

On 9/28/07, asurisuk <[hidden email]> wrote:

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regarding Stewart & Evie's comments.... My tinnitus doesn't go away
when the AC is off either. So does this mean that dirty electricity
is not the cause? Its something i've been confused about since i
read up on the subject at the stetzer website, as their filters are
for use on indoors circuits. But there's a whole stretch of cable
running along the house BEFORE it enters the breaker box. Surely
dirty electricity can penetrate from here. Someone said its in the
air.

Also Evie's comment about snow....I also found blissful relief after
it snowed heavily. House was warmer too!

To Paul: thanks for the tinnitus website tip and gizmo, will have a
look.

To Bill: interesting theory. I can see that you understand what i'm
driving at.



--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Stewart,
>    
> My tinnitus "crickets" do not go away when the AC is off,
either. But once last year in the middle of winter my "crickets" did
go away for awhile! I was surprised at the time, because it was the
first time in decades I didn't have sounds in my ears. It actually
woke me out of my sleep! It was a very quiet snowy, cold night.  
There was zero traffic or movement. I have no idea why this
happened, but it gave me hope that there was chance of recovery from
the tinnitus, which I had just taken for granted would be with me the
rest of my life.  
>
> my 2 cents,
> Diane
> "Stewart A." <sandreas41@...> wrote:
> Hi Eli,
>
> my mom also hears "crickets".
> I wonder how quickly your tinnitus tones go away when known causes
are
> turned off?
>
> For everyone, I'll share my mom's experience:
>
> Before moving here, back when they were putting up towers around
where
> my parents lived, the tinnitus was getting louder for her, and very
> annoying.
>
> After moving here 5 years ago, the sound went down in volume. But
has
> been creeping up in stages, which I believe are when new wireless
> services go online around here.
>
> The volume is now back to where it was 5 years ago, and since there
are
> nowhere near the number of towers or neighbors, I can only suspect
> something farther away, or something close and undetectable, unless
the phones, user panel and lay it on us.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

We measured our house for radiofrequencies at all the light switches,
plugs, heater venting, phone cords etc and the amazing thing was the
numbers were the SAME whether the power was on or off. After installing
the stetzer filters the Rf numbers went down at the switches,plugs and
heater vent (not phone) but the ambient room numbers remained the same.

My tinnitus doesn't go away ever, even when camping and the rf meter
reads in the minus. I think it may be ear damage from high electric
field exposure (airplane roars) and maybe rock concerts. maybe mercury?
Ive had it for 25 years and got it while living in a house with no
electricity. I was listening to a radio talk show outside and all of a
sudden "ting".. and I couldn't get away from it.
Sandi

> regarding Stewart & Evie's comments.... My tinnitus doesn't go away
> when the AC is off either. So does this mean that dirty electricity
> is not the cause?