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R. Ticle
It seems that when dealing with EMF issues, detoxification and the
elimination of pathogenic organisms plays a very important role.

I've tried a little bit of this, a little bit of that - my approach
has been very sporadic, and I'm not a position which affords me any
supplement known to man, but I'd like to try to do this a bit more
logically and sequentially.

I'm going to outline what I think would be a good sequence, and I'd
like to have some input from you guys about what you think of it:

1) Alkalize myself with more alkaline forming foods

2) Do a short water fast

3) Take a gut-healing formula (quite sure I have some compromised
intestinal permeability going on, given my reactions to food)

4) Take anti-candida supplements, be it Oil of Oregano, garlic,
coconut, etc. (I say with certainty that I've had yeast issues most of
my life and still may)

5) Kidney cleanse (a la Edgar Cayce using watermelon seed tea

6) Parasite cleanse (black walnut, cloves, et al)

7) Liver flush (a la Hulda Clark's Olive Oil, epsom salts, etc.)

8) Go after suspected Lyme/co-infections, take note of any improvement
or herxheimer reaction (worked on farms, recall a strange rash, been
through the woods off trails plenty of times, and given its ability to
imitate, what, three hundred diseases or so, and some people's
experience with it and ES, I figure it's worth a try)

9) While going after Lyme, try taking Modifilan (brown seaweed
extract) and perhaps other toxin/bio-toxin/metal binding agents to
help with possible die-off reaction

Throughout all this I'd be trying to eat well, take other general
detoxing agents such as sprouted broccoli seed, burdock/dandelion/etc.
tinctures, and so on.

So! What do you think? Any thoughts welcome.

Cheers,

R.

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Re: The correct sequence of detoxification - what is it?

Marc Martin
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> 1) Alkalize myself with more alkaline forming foods

That seems reasonable, although I wonder about what exactly
people mean when they say "alkalize themselves", as there
are various parts of the body that are healthiest when they
are acidic -- the stomach and small intestines during
digestion are good examples.

> 2) Do a short water fast

I'd skip that step -- you've probably got too many toxins in
you already, and you should be taking things to bind to them
and support your body in dealing with them. A water fast
will just let them dump into your bloodstream and make
you feel terrible.

> 3) Take a gut-healing formula

Certainly people claim this is good, although the ones I
tried never made much difference.

> 4) Take anti-candida supplements, be it Oil of Oregano, garlic,
> coconut, etc.

I did badly on garlic and coconut -- you might want to add
probiotics and grapefruit seed extract to that list.

> 7) Liver flush (a la Hulda Clark's Olive Oil, epsom salts, etc.)

Ugh. That brings up some really unpleasant memories... :-(
I suppose some people are helped by this, but I gave up on
it before I noticed any improvements.

> 9) While going after Lyme, try taking Modifilan (brown seaweed
> extract) and perhaps other toxin/bio-toxin/metal binding agents to
> help with possible die-off reaction

And if you cannot tolerate modifilan, there are certainly alternatives,
like activated charcoal, bentonite, apple pectin, etc.

I'd say that you'd do metal detox all by itself, and not just an
adjunct to going after Lyme.

> Throughout all this I'd be trying to eat well, take other general
> detoxing agents such as sprouted broccoli seed, burdock/dandelion/etc.
> tinctures, and so on.

Good ideas, although I don't know how helpful it actually is. It
seems that people can eat really healthy and still stay ill...

Marc

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spiralwindintrees
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I would add some probiotic food such as 'real' sauerkraut, yogurt or
kefir.

--- In [hidden email], "rticleone" <rticleone@...> wrote:

>
> It seems that when dealing with EMF issues, detoxification and the
> elimination of pathogenic organisms plays a very important role.
>
> I've tried a little bit of this, a little bit of that - my approach
> has been very sporadic, and I'm not a position which affords me any
> supplement known to man, but I'd like to try to do this a bit more
> logically and sequentially.
>
> I'm going to outline what I think would be a good sequence, and I'd
> like to have some input from you guys about what you think of it:
>
> 1) Alkalize myself with more alkaline forming foods
>
> 2) Do a short water fast
>
> 3) Take a gut-healing formula (quite sure I have some compromised
> intestinal permeability going on, given my reactions to food)
>
> 4) Take anti-candida supplements, be it Oil of Oregano, garlic,
> coconut, etc. (I say with certainty that I've had yeast issues most
of
> my life and still may)
>
> 5) Kidney cleanse (a la Edgar Cayce using watermelon seed tea
>
> 6) Parasite cleanse (black walnut, cloves, et al)
>
> 7) Liver flush (a la Hulda Clark's Olive Oil, epsom salts, etc.)
>
> 8) Go after suspected Lyme/co-infections, take note of any
improvement
> or herxheimer reaction (worked on farms, recall a strange rash, been
> through the woods off trails plenty of times, and given its ability
to
> imitate, what, three hundred diseases or so, and some people's
> experience with it and ES, I figure it's worth a try)
>
> 9) While going after Lyme, try taking Modifilan (brown seaweed
> extract) and perhaps other toxin/bio-toxin/metal binding agents to
> help with possible die-off reaction
>
> Throughout all this I'd be trying to eat well, take other general
> detoxing agents such as sprouted broccoli seed,
burdock/dandelion/etc.
> tinctures, and so on.
>
> So! What do you think? Any thoughts welcome.
>
> Cheers,
>
> R.
>

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Marc Martin
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> I would add some probiotic food such as 'real' sauerkraut, yogurt or
> kefir.

Yes, those can actually be better than many probiotic supplements,
although I think in my own case I gain weight whenever I eat
dairy products (no matter how "low fat" they claim to be).

For supplements, I like "Primal Defense", which seems strong
enough to counter yeast problems.

Marc

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R. Ticle
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Hey Marc. True - when I say alkalize, I just mean eating more
alkaline forming foods, particularly vegetables, not necessarily alter
my entire body's ph.

I've tried something called IntestiNew by Renew Life - it helped in
the past - less skin rashes from random foods, but I think maybe I
fell off again after/should have taken something like it longer.
Could have caused more candida problems when I ate too many
raisins/drank too much rum here and there, yeesh. Not to sound like a
lush or nothin', but I think I react worse to alcohol than some
people, especially if my system's not balanced.

Regarding the metal detox/Lyme - I recall you saying that Modifilan
wasn't for you - I only got one bottle to start with, so I'll see how
it goes. The other things you suggested sound gentle enough. Have
you heard of product called "Metal Magic"? It's a tincture of Cilantro
and Chlorella -
http://www.baselinenutritionals.com/index.php?display=product&view=category&cat=2&products_ID=16

-does it sound too risky/hardcore to you?

-The first time I ate a spoonful of coconut oil I felt incredibly ill.
I turned ghostly white, felt like I had to vomit and my heart rate
went up to 180 or something. But that was the only time. Mind you, I
just cook with it now, not eat it by the spoonful, though I'm sure
I've consumed the equivalent in finished dishes. Can't say I've felt
ill from it since that one time. Ditto for garlic, though if I chew
it too incompletely, it can upset my stomach. I remember the
Grapefruit Seed Extract - blech! Effective for some.  

As for probiotics vs. fermented food - I've tried both, but I think I
need to do it longer term.

The liver flush: Er, care to elaborate upon the bad memories? ;) Or
not, if you don't want. I thought it'd be something easy and cheap
enough to try at home.

I know, I feel frustrated that I don't always feel as good as I think
I should given that I eat better than probably eighty percent of the
town I live in...a very rough observation of what I see people put
into their shopping carts! Mind you, I don't know how they feel. And
some of them look very unhealthy.  

I think some of us just have to make a greater effort because of
predispositions, other circumstances, etc.

Thanks! More thoughts welcome.

R.

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

>
> > 1) Alkalize myself with more alkaline forming foods
>
> That seems reasonable, although I wonder about what exactly
> people mean when they say "alkalize themselves", as there
> are various parts of the body that are healthiest when they
> are acidic -- the stomach and small intestines during
> digestion are good examples.
>
> > 2) Do a short water fast
>
> I'd skip that step -- you've probably got too many toxins in
> you already, and you should be taking things to bind to them
> and support your body in dealing with them. A water fast
> will just let them dump into your bloodstream and make
> you feel terrible.
>  
> > 3) Take a gut-healing formula
>
> Certainly people claim this is good, although the ones I
> tried never made much difference.
>
> > 4) Take anti-candida supplements, be it Oil of Oregano, garlic,
> > coconut, etc.
>
> I did badly on garlic and coconut -- you might want to add
> probiotics and grapefruit seed extract to that list.
>
> > 7) Liver flush (a la Hulda Clark's Olive Oil, epsom salts, etc.)
>
> Ugh. That brings up some really unpleasant memories... :-(  
> I suppose some people are helped by this, but I gave up on
> it before I noticed any improvements.
>
> > 9) While going after Lyme, try taking Modifilan (brown seaweed
> > extract) and perhaps other toxin/bio-toxin/metal binding agents to
> > help with possible die-off reaction
>
> And if you cannot tolerate modifilan, there are certainly alternatives,
> like activated charcoal, bentonite, apple pectin, etc.
>
> I'd say that you'd do metal detox all by itself, and not just an
> adjunct to going after Lyme.
>
> > Throughout all this I'd be trying to eat well, take other general
> > detoxing agents such as sprouted broccoli seed, burdock/dandelion/etc.
> > tinctures, and so on.
>
> Good ideas, although I don't know how helpful it actually is. It
> seems that people can eat really healthy and still stay ill...
>
> Marc
>

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Marc Martin
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> Hey Marc. True - when I say alkalize, I just mean eating more
> alkaline forming foods, particularly vegetables

Eating more vegetables is probably something we should all do... :-)
And yes, my questioning alkalizing is a bit odd, as I've purchased
several supplements for that very purpose. I do however note that
an alkaline environment in the digestive tract is not good, so one
has to be careful there.

> Regarding the metal detox/Lyme - I recall you saying that Modifilan
> wasn't for you - I only got one bottle to start with, so I'll see how
> it goes. The other things you suggested sound gentle enough. Have
> you heard of product called "Metal Magic"? It's a tincture of Cilantro
> and Chlorella -

Hmmm, I've never heard of that... I have however taken thousands of
dollars worth of "NDF" over the years, which has chlorella and
cilantro in it. Seems beneficial enough, but with the amount
I've taken I would have expected to have been completely free
of metal problems by now (Although for all I know, it's been the
NDF that has allowed me to progress as far as I have over the years)

> -The first time I ate a spoonful of coconut oil I felt incredibly ill.

I had an odd reaction to coconut oil. It was not immediate, but
after about a month my legs got very weak, like they could no
longer support my body weight. My nutritionist advised me to
stop the coconut oil and instead use flax oil, and the leg problem
went away.

> The liver flush: Er, care to elaborate upon the bad memories? ;)

Well, it involved vomiting in the toilet in the middle of the night...
those liver flushes can really stir up those toxins. I've seen some
people advise just taking a very small amount of the mixture
prior to every meal, so you're not overwhelming the system,
but helping to clear things slowly over time. Not sure if that
works, though.

Oh, and some things missing on your list -- adrenal support and
thyroid support. I think adrenal support is extremely helpful.

Marc

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Re: The correct sequence of detoxification - what is it?

Andrew McAfee
In reply to this post by R. Ticle
I am of the opinion that no chelation therapy should be attempted until
the intestines and other organs are strong.
I think starting with a colon cleanse is OK and then boosting the
system with probiotics, butyrate, cholostrum, Phosphatidyl Choline,
etc. to make sure there is no leaky gut and the immune system is
strong.

Then, gently support and flush the liver and kidneys BEFORE trashing
them with a flood of heavy metals, viruses, toxins, chemicals, etc.

I am of the belief that it is more the virus/bacteria category eating
the myelin sheath (auto-immune) fed by heavy metals/toxins that leads
to ES. To flood the system with a detox will support the growth of the
virus/bacteria load and spread it wider and deeper and weaken the body
further.

If a person is just starting a healing regimen they are probably very
weak energetically/ physically as well as their cell walls, blood brain
barrier, intestinal walls, etc. The body must be able to handle a detox
or it will get worse.

So, no detox until one is strong. Oh, one more thing, no detox until
all metal has been removed correctly from the mouth.

Here are mercury free dentists that will remove the mercury correctly
without you getting your brain, nerves, lungs fried.
http://www.holisticdentalnetwork.com/directory.php#USA

Here are dentists that won't put mercury in your mouth.
http://mercuryfreedentists.com/listings.asp?StateName=California

my 2 cents,
Andrew

On Dec 22, 2008, at 9:24 PM, rticleone wrote:

> Hey Marc. True - when I say alkalize, I just mean eating more
> alkaline forming foods, particularly vegetables, not necessarily alter
> my entire body's ph.
>
> I've tried something called IntestiNew by Renew Life - it helped in
> the past - less skin rashes from random foods, but I think maybe I
> fell off again after/should have taken something like it longer.
> Could have caused more candida problems when I ate too many
> raisins/drank too much rum here and there, yeesh. Not to sound like a
> lush or nothin', but I think I react worse to alcohol than some
> people, especially if my system's not balanced.
>
> Regarding the metal detox/Lyme - I recall you saying that Modifilan
> wasn't for you - I only got one bottle to start with, so I'll see how
> it goes. The other things you suggested sound gentle enough. Have
> you heard of product called "Metal Magic"? It's a tincture of Cilantro
> and Chlorella -
> http://www.baselinenutritionals.com/index.php?
> display=product&view=category&cat=2&products_ID=16
>
> -does it sound too risky/hardcore to you?
>
> -The first time I ate a spoonful of coconut oil I felt incredibly ill.
> I turned ghostly white, felt like I had to vomit and my heart rate
> went up to 180 or something. But that was the only time. Mind you, I
> just cook with it now, not eat it by the spoonful, though I'm sure
> I've consumed the equivalent in finished dishes. Can't say I've felt
> ill from it since that one time. Ditto for garlic, though if I chew
> it too incompletely, it can upset my stomach. I remember the
> Grapefruit Seed Extract - blech! Effective for some.
>
> As for probiotics vs. fermented food - I've tried both, but I think I
> need to do it longer term.
>
> The liver flush: Er, care to elaborate upon the bad memories? ;) Or
> not, if you don't want. I thought it'd be something easy and cheap
> enough to try at home.
>
> I know, I feel frustrated that I don't always feel as good as I think
> I should given that I eat better than probably eighty percent of the
> town I live in...a very rough observation of what I see people put
> into their shopping carts! Mind you, I don't know how they feel. And
> some of them look very unhealthy.
>
> I think some of us just have to make a greater effort because of
> predispositions, other circumstances, etc.
>
> Thanks! More thoughts welcome.
>
> R.
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>>
>>> 1) Alkalize myself with more alkaline forming foods
>>
>> That seems reasonable, although I wonder about what exactly
>> people mean when they say "alkalize themselves", as there
>> are various parts of the body that are healthiest when they
>> are acidic -- the stomach and small intestines during
>> digestion are good examples.
>>
>>> 2) Do a short water fast
>>
>> I'd skip that step -- you've probably got too many toxins in
>> you already, and you should be taking things to bind to them
>> and support your body in dealing with them. A water fast
>> will just let them dump into your bloodstream and make
>> you feel terrible.
>>
>>> 3) Take a gut-healing formula
>>
>> Certainly people claim this is good, although the ones I
>> tried never made much difference.
>>
>>> 4) Take anti-candida supplements, be it Oil of Oregano, garlic,
>>> coconut, etc.
>>
>> I did badly on garlic and coconut -- you might want to add
>> probiotics and grapefruit seed extract to that list.
>>
>>> 7) Liver flush (a la Hulda Clark's Olive Oil, epsom salts, etc.)
>>
>> Ugh. That brings up some really unpleasant memories... :-(
>> I suppose some people are helped by this, but I gave up on
>> it before I noticed any improvements.
>>
>>> 9) While going after Lyme, try taking Modifilan (brown seaweed
>>> extract) and perhaps other toxin/bio-toxin/metal binding agents to
>>> help with possible die-off reaction
>>
>> And if you cannot tolerate modifilan, there are certainly
>> alternatives,
>> like activated charcoal, bentonite, apple pectin, etc.
>>
>> I'd say that you'd do metal detox all by itself, and not just an
>> adjunct to going after Lyme.
>>
>>> Throughout all this I'd be trying to eat well, take other general
>>> detoxing agents such as sprouted broccoli seed,
>>> burdock/dandelion/etc.
>>> tinctures, and so on.
>>
>> Good ideas, although I don't know how helpful it actually is. It
>> seems that people can eat really healthy and still stay ill...
>>
>> Marc
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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R. Ticle
Hey Andrew, and Marc - thanks.

No, I hadn't considered adrenal support - might be worth it,
especially considering how stressed out I've felt at times. I admit,
it's easier to stress yourself when you realize how stupid and
unhealthy some of the things people embrace are, and that they can
make things harder for...and then rage against the injustice of it
all. Bad habit of mine.

Andrew, I do like the idea of a strong system to begin with before a
real cleansing attempt. I've shied away from trying colostrum,
because I have trouble with dairy (except butter, or better, raw milk
butter, which our wise government thinks should be illegal). What are
your thoughts on dairy troubles and colostrum? I know there are mixed
opinions on it.

Fortunately, I have no metal fillings in my mouth (as far as I know,
at least!) I have some "white fillings", whatever they are...but I see
no amalgam among my teeth. I may have had a couple or few when I was
younger, a lot younger - I'm twenty six - but if I did, they're gone
now. I'd have to ask my parents about that.

Cheers,

R.  

--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote:
>
> I am of the opinion that no chelation therapy should be attempted
until  

> the intestines and other organs are strong.
> I think starting with a colon cleanse is OK and then boosting the  
> system with probiotics, butyrate, cholostrum, Phosphatidyl Choline,  
> etc. to make sure there is no leaky gut and the immune system is  
> strong.
>
> Then, gently support and flush the liver and kidneys BEFORE trashing  
> them with a flood of heavy metals, viruses, toxins, chemicals, etc.
>
> I am of the belief that it is more the virus/bacteria category eating  
> the myelin sheath (auto-immune) fed by heavy metals/toxins that leads  
> to ES. To flood the system with a detox will support the growth of the  
> virus/bacteria load and spread it wider and deeper and weaken the body  
> further.
>
> If a person is just starting a healing regimen they are probably very  
> weak energetically/ physically as well as their cell walls, blood
brain  
> barrier, intestinal walls, etc. The body must be able to handle a
detox  

> or it will get worse.
>
> So, no detox until one is strong. Oh, one more thing, no detox until  
> all metal has been removed correctly from the mouth.
>
> Here are mercury free dentists that will remove the mercury correctly  
> without you getting your brain, nerves, lungs fried.
> http://www.holisticdentalnetwork.com/directory.php#USA
>
> Here are dentists that won't put mercury in your mouth.
> http://mercuryfreedentists.com/listings.asp?StateName=California
>
> my 2 cents,
> Andrew
>
> On Dec 22, 2008, at 9:24 PM, rticleone wrote:
>
> > Hey Marc. True - when I say alkalize, I just mean eating more
> > alkaline forming foods, particularly vegetables, not necessarily alter
> > my entire body's ph.
> >
> > I've tried something called IntestiNew by Renew Life - it helped in
> > the past - less skin rashes from random foods, but I think maybe I
> > fell off again after/should have taken something like it longer.
> > Could have caused more candida problems when I ate too many
> > raisins/drank too much rum here and there, yeesh. Not to sound like a
> > lush or nothin', but I think I react worse to alcohol than some
> > people, especially if my system's not balanced.
> >
> > Regarding the metal detox/Lyme - I recall you saying that Modifilan
> > wasn't for you - I only got one bottle to start with, so I'll see how
> > it goes. The other things you suggested sound gentle enough. Have
> > you heard of product called "Metal Magic"? It's a tincture of Cilantro
> > and Chlorella -
> > http://www.baselinenutritionals.com/index.php?
> > display=product&view=category&cat=2&products_ID=16
> >
> > -does it sound too risky/hardcore to you?
> >
> > -The first time I ate a spoonful of coconut oil I felt incredibly ill.
> > I turned ghostly white, felt like I had to vomit and my heart rate
> > went up to 180 or something. But that was the only time. Mind you, I
> > just cook with it now, not eat it by the spoonful, though I'm sure
> > I've consumed the equivalent in finished dishes. Can't say I've felt
> > ill from it since that one time. Ditto for garlic, though if I chew
> > it too incompletely, it can upset my stomach. I remember the
> > Grapefruit Seed Extract - blech! Effective for some.
> >
> > As for probiotics vs. fermented food - I've tried both, but I think I
> > need to do it longer term.
> >
> > The liver flush: Er, care to elaborate upon the bad memories? ;) Or
> > not, if you don't want. I thought it'd be something easy and cheap
> > enough to try at home.
> >
> > I know, I feel frustrated that I don't always feel as good as I think
> > I should given that I eat better than probably eighty percent of the
> > town I live in...a very rough observation of what I see people put
> > into their shopping carts! Mind you, I don't know how they feel. And
> > some of them look very unhealthy.
> >
> > I think some of us just have to make a greater effort because of
> > predispositions, other circumstances, etc.
> >
> > Thanks! More thoughts welcome.
> >
> > R.
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> >>
> >>> 1) Alkalize myself with more alkaline forming foods
> >>
> >> That seems reasonable, although I wonder about what exactly
> >> people mean when they say "alkalize themselves", as there
> >> are various parts of the body that are healthiest when they
> >> are acidic -- the stomach and small intestines during
> >> digestion are good examples.
> >>
> >>> 2) Do a short water fast
> >>
> >> I'd skip that step -- you've probably got too many toxins in
> >> you already, and you should be taking things to bind to them
> >> and support your body in dealing with them. A water fast
> >> will just let them dump into your bloodstream and make
> >> you feel terrible.
> >>
> >>> 3) Take a gut-healing formula
> >>
> >> Certainly people claim this is good, although the ones I
> >> tried never made much difference.
> >>
> >>> 4) Take anti-candida supplements, be it Oil of Oregano, garlic,
> >>> coconut, etc.
> >>
> >> I did badly on garlic and coconut -- you might want to add
> >> probiotics and grapefruit seed extract to that list.
> >>
> >>> 7) Liver flush (a la Hulda Clark's Olive Oil, epsom salts, etc.)
> >>
> >> Ugh. That brings up some really unpleasant memories... :-(
> >> I suppose some people are helped by this, but I gave up on
> >> it before I noticed any improvements.
> >>
> >>> 9) While going after Lyme, try taking Modifilan (brown seaweed
> >>> extract) and perhaps other toxin/bio-toxin/metal binding agents to
> >>> help with possible die-off reaction
> >>
> >> And if you cannot tolerate modifilan, there are certainly  
> >> alternatives,
> >> like activated charcoal, bentonite, apple pectin, etc.
> >>
> >> I'd say that you'd do metal detox all by itself, and not just an
> >> adjunct to going after Lyme.
> >>
> >>> Throughout all this I'd be trying to eat well, take other general
> >>> detoxing agents such as sprouted broccoli seed,  
> >>> burdock/dandelion/etc.
> >>> tinctures, and so on.
> >>
> >> Good ideas, although I don't know how helpful it actually is. It
> >> seems that people can eat really healthy and still stay ill...
> >>
> >> Marc
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

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raw organic milk products

Andrew McAfee
I must start with my brother Mark is one of if not the largest producer
of raw organic milk and colostrum in the US.
organicpastures.com

I believe that milk problems come from non organic, pasteurized,
homongenized, etc. store-bought milk and not raw organic milk.
There are organic colostrum tablets you can get at Whole Foods and
other health food stores and a goat colostrum that I think is great.

I think the fats, immune support, and myriad of other beneficial
elements in raw milk products are essential to healing. If it doesn't
work for you, that is fine. It may not be for everyone. Just make sure
it is raw AND organic.

You can google to find a source near you.
http://www.realmilk.com/

Glad you don't have metal in your mouth.

All my best to you and hope you find what works for you.
Andrew



On Dec 23, 2008, at 9:50 AM, rticleone wrote:

> Hey Andrew, and Marc - thanks.
>
> No, I hadn't considered adrenal support - might be worth it,
> especially considering how stressed out I've felt at times. I admit,
> it's easier to stress yourself when you realize how stupid and
> unhealthy some of the things people embrace are, and that they can
> make things harder for...and then rage against the injustice of it
> all. Bad habit of mine.
>
> Andrew, I do like the idea of a strong system to begin with before a
> real cleansing attempt. I've shied away from trying colostrum,
> because I have trouble with dairy (except butter, or better, raw milk
> butter, which our wise government thinks should be illegal). What are
> your thoughts on dairy troubles and colostrum? I know there are mixed
> opinions on it.
>
> Fortunately, I have no metal fillings in my mouth (as far as I know,
> at least!) I have some "white fillings", whatever they are...but I see
> no amalgam among my teeth. I may have had a couple or few when I was
> younger, a lot younger - I'm twenty six - but if I did, they're gone
> now. I'd have to ask my parents about that.
>
> Cheers,
>
> R.
>
> --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote:
>>
>> I am of the opinion that no chelation therapy should be attempted
> until
>> the intestines and other organs are strong.
>> I think starting with a colon cleanse is OK and then boosting the
>> system with probiotics, butyrate, cholostrum, Phosphatidyl Choline,
>> etc. to make sure there is no leaky gut and the immune system is
>> strong.
>>
>> Then, gently support and flush the liver and kidneys BEFORE trashing
>> them with a flood of heavy metals, viruses, toxins, chemicals, etc.
>>
>> I am of the belief that it is more the virus/bacteria category eating
>> the myelin sheath (auto-immune) fed by heavy metals/toxins that leads
>> to ES. To flood the system with a detox will support the growth of the
>> virus/bacteria load and spread it wider and deeper and weaken the body
>> further.
>>
>> If a person is just starting a healing regimen they are probably very
>> weak energetically/ physically as well as their cell walls, blood
> brain
>> barrier, intestinal walls, etc. The body must be able to handle a
> detox
>> or it will get worse.
>>
>> So, no detox until one is strong. Oh, one more thing, no detox until
>> all metal has been removed correctly from the mouth.
>>
>> Here are mercury free dentists that will remove the mercury correctly
>> without you getting your brain, nerves, lungs fried.
>> http://www.holisticdentalnetwork.com/directory.php#USA
>>
>> Here are dentists that won't put mercury in your mouth.
>> http://mercuryfreedentists.com/listings.asp?StateName=California
>>
>> my 2 cents,
>> Andrew
>>
>> On Dec 22, 2008, at 9:24 PM, rticleone wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Marc. True - when I say alkalize, I just mean eating more
>>> alkaline forming foods, particularly vegetables, not necessarily
>>> alter
>>> my entire body's ph.
>>>
>>> I've tried something called IntestiNew by Renew Life - it helped in
>>> the past - less skin rashes from random foods, but I think maybe I
>>> fell off again after/should have taken something like it longer.
>>> Could have caused more candida problems when I ate too many
>>> raisins/drank too much rum here and there, yeesh. Not to sound like
>>> a
>>> lush or nothin', but I think I react worse to alcohol than some
>>> people, especially if my system's not balanced.
>>>
>>> Regarding the metal detox/Lyme - I recall you saying that Modifilan
>>> wasn't for you - I only got one bottle to start with, so I'll see how
>>> it goes. The other things you suggested sound gentle enough. Have
>>> you heard of product called "Metal Magic"? It's a tincture of
>>> Cilantro
>>> and Chlorella -
>>> http://www.baselinenutritionals.com/index.php?
>>> display=product&view=category&cat=2&products_ID=16
>>>
>>> -does it sound too risky/hardcore to you?
>>>
>>> -The first time I ate a spoonful of coconut oil I felt incredibly
>>> ill.
>>> I turned ghostly white, felt like I had to vomit and my heart rate
>>> went up to 180 or something. But that was the only time. Mind you,
>>> I
>>> just cook with it now, not eat it by the spoonful, though I'm sure
>>> I've consumed the equivalent in finished dishes. Can't say I've felt
>>> ill from it since that one time. Ditto for garlic, though if I chew
>>> it too incompletely, it can upset my stomach. I remember the
>>> Grapefruit Seed Extract - blech! Effective for some.
>>>
>>> As for probiotics vs. fermented food - I've tried both, but I think I
>>> need to do it longer term.
>>>
>>> The liver flush: Er, care to elaborate upon the bad memories? ;) Or
>>> not, if you don't want. I thought it'd be something easy and cheap
>>> enough to try at home.
>>>
>>> I know, I feel frustrated that I don't always feel as good as I think
>>> I should given that I eat better than probably eighty percent of the
>>> town I live in...a very rough observation of what I see people put
>>> into their shopping carts! Mind you, I don't know how they feel. And
>>> some of them look very unhealthy.
>>>
>>> I think some of us just have to make a greater effort because of
>>> predispositions, other circumstances, etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks! More thoughts welcome.
>>>
>>> R.
>>>
>>> --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 1) Alkalize myself with more alkaline forming foods
>>>>
>>>> That seems reasonable, although I wonder about what exactly
>>>> people mean when they say "alkalize themselves", as there
>>>> are various parts of the body that are healthiest when they
>>>> are acidic -- the stomach and small intestines during
>>>> digestion are good examples.
>>>>
>>>>> 2) Do a short water fast
>>>>
>>>> I'd skip that step -- you've probably got too many toxins in
>>>> you already, and you should be taking things to bind to them
>>>> and support your body in dealing with them. A water fast
>>>> will just let them dump into your bloodstream and make
>>>> you feel terrible.
>>>>
>>>>> 3) Take a gut-healing formula
>>>>
>>>> Certainly people claim this is good, although the ones I
>>>> tried never made much difference.
>>>>
>>>>> 4) Take anti-candida supplements, be it Oil of Oregano, garlic,
>>>>> coconut, etc.
>>>>
>>>> I did badly on garlic and coconut -- you might want to add
>>>> probiotics and grapefruit seed extract to that list.
>>>>
>>>>> 7) Liver flush (a la Hulda Clark's Olive Oil, epsom salts, etc.)
>>>>
>>>> Ugh. That brings up some really unpleasant memories... :-(
>>>> I suppose some people are helped by this, but I gave up on
>>>> it before I noticed any improvements.
>>>>
>>>>> 9) While going after Lyme, try taking Modifilan (brown seaweed
>>>>> extract) and perhaps other toxin/bio-toxin/metal binding agents to
>>>>> help with possible die-off reaction
>>>>
>>>> And if you cannot tolerate modifilan, there are certainly
>>>> alternatives,
>>>> like activated charcoal, bentonite, apple pectin, etc.
>>>>
>>>> I'd say that you'd do metal detox all by itself, and not just an
>>>> adjunct to going after Lyme.
>>>>
>>>>> Throughout all this I'd be trying to eat well, take other general
>>>>> detoxing agents such as sprouted broccoli seed,
>>>>> burdock/dandelion/etc.
>>>>> tinctures, and so on.
>>>>
>>>> Good ideas, although I don't know how helpful it actually is. It
>>>> seems that people can eat really healthy and still stay ill...
>>>>
>>>> Marc
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Re: raw organic milk products

R. Ticle
Hey Andrew - I agree with you about raw milk - I'm in Canada, where
it's a lot harder than even the States to get it. (I take it your
brother knows about the ordeal of Ontario farmer, Michael Schmidt, who
got raided by armed officials for the criminal act of supplying
healthy, unpasteurized milk? Geeeeeze.)

I had the opportunity to be on a small farm for a couple of months
this summer, biodynamic, and we milked our own cow by hand - a
learning experience. The milk (though I still approached it
cautiously) was wonderful - it smelled sweet and reminded me of
blooming meadows - seriously, and pardon the flowery language. The
butter was so good it made conventional butter taste like frozen
candle wax, and the cream was practically orgasmic in its richness.

I think it's preposterous that these things are attacked - but we all
know the real reasons why they do it.

If I found raw milk colostrum I might be willing to try it.    

--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote:

>
> I must start with my brother Mark is one of if not the largest producer
> of raw organic milk and colostrum in the US.
> organicpastures.com
>
> I believe that milk problems come from non organic, pasteurized,
> homongenized, etc. store-bought milk and not raw organic milk.
> There are organic colostrum tablets you can get at Whole Foods and
> other health food stores and a goat colostrum that I think is great.
>
> I think the fats, immune support, and myriad of other beneficial
> elements in raw milk products are essential to healing. If it doesn't
> work for you, that is fine. It may not be for everyone. Just make sure
> it is raw AND organic.
>
> You can google to find a source near you.
> http://www.realmilk.com/
>
> Glad you don't have metal in your mouth.
>
> All my best to you and hope you find what works for you.
> Andrew
>
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2008, at 9:50 AM, rticleone wrote:
>
> > Hey Andrew, and Marc - thanks.
> >
> > No, I hadn't considered adrenal support - might be worth it,
> > especially considering how stressed out I've felt at times. I admit,
> > it's easier to stress yourself when you realize how stupid and
> > unhealthy some of the things people embrace are, and that they can
> > make things harder for...and then rage against the injustice of it
> > all. Bad habit of mine.
> >
> > Andrew, I do like the idea of a strong system to begin with before a
> > real cleansing attempt. I've shied away from trying colostrum,
> > because I have trouble with dairy (except butter, or better, raw milk
> > butter, which our wise government thinks should be illegal). What are
> > your thoughts on dairy troubles and colostrum? I know there are mixed
> > opinions on it.
> >
> > Fortunately, I have no metal fillings in my mouth (as far as I know,
> > at least!) I have some "white fillings", whatever they are...but I see
> > no amalgam among my teeth. I may have had a couple or few when I was
> > younger, a lot younger - I'm twenty six - but if I did, they're gone
> > now. I'd have to ask my parents about that.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > R.
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am of the opinion that no chelation therapy should be attempted
> > until
> >> the intestines and other organs are strong.
> >> I think starting with a colon cleanse is OK and then boosting the
> >> system with probiotics, butyrate, cholostrum, Phosphatidyl Choline,
> >> etc. to make sure there is no leaky gut and the immune system is
> >> strong.
> >>
> >> Then, gently support and flush the liver and kidneys BEFORE trashing
> >> them with a flood of heavy metals, viruses, toxins, chemicals, etc.
> >>
> >> I am of the belief that it is more the virus/bacteria category eating
> >> the myelin sheath (auto-immune) fed by heavy metals/toxins that leads
> >> to ES. To flood the system with a detox will support the growth
of the
> >> virus/bacteria load and spread it wider and deeper and weaken the
body

> >> further.
> >>
> >> If a person is just starting a healing regimen they are probably very
> >> weak energetically/ physically as well as their cell walls, blood
> > brain
> >> barrier, intestinal walls, etc. The body must be able to handle a
> > detox
> >> or it will get worse.
> >>
> >> So, no detox until one is strong. Oh, one more thing, no detox until
> >> all metal has been removed correctly from the mouth.
> >>
> >> Here are mercury free dentists that will remove the mercury correctly
> >> without you getting your brain, nerves, lungs fried.
> >> http://www.holisticdentalnetwork.com/directory.php#USA
> >>
> >> Here are dentists that won't put mercury in your mouth.
> >> http://mercuryfreedentists.com/listings.asp?StateName=California
> >>
> >> my 2 cents,
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >> On Dec 22, 2008, at 9:24 PM, rticleone wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey Marc. True - when I say alkalize, I just mean eating more
> >>> alkaline forming foods, particularly vegetables, not necessarily
> >>> alter
> >>> my entire body's ph.
> >>>
> >>> I've tried something called IntestiNew by Renew Life - it helped in
> >>> the past - less skin rashes from random foods, but I think maybe I
> >>> fell off again after/should have taken something like it longer.
> >>> Could have caused more candida problems when I ate too many
> >>> raisins/drank too much rum here and there, yeesh. Not to sound
like
> >>> a
> >>> lush or nothin', but I think I react worse to alcohol than some
> >>> people, especially if my system's not balanced.
> >>>
> >>> Regarding the metal detox/Lyme - I recall you saying that Modifilan
> >>> wasn't for you - I only got one bottle to start with, so I'll
see how

> >>> it goes. The other things you suggested sound gentle enough. Have
> >>> you heard of product called "Metal Magic"? It's a tincture of
> >>> Cilantro
> >>> and Chlorella -
> >>> http://www.baselinenutritionals.com/index.php?
> >>> display=product&view=category&cat=2&products_ID=16
> >>>
> >>> -does it sound too risky/hardcore to you?
> >>>
> >>> -The first time I ate a spoonful of coconut oil I felt incredibly
> >>> ill.
> >>> I turned ghostly white, felt like I had to vomit and my heart rate
> >>> went up to 180 or something. But that was the only time. Mind
you,
> >>> I
> >>> just cook with it now, not eat it by the spoonful, though I'm sure
> >>> I've consumed the equivalent in finished dishes. Can't say I've
felt
> >>> ill from it since that one time. Ditto for garlic, though if I chew
> >>> it too incompletely, it can upset my stomach. I remember the
> >>> Grapefruit Seed Extract - blech! Effective for some.
> >>>
> >>> As for probiotics vs. fermented food - I've tried both, but I
think I
> >>> need to do it longer term.
> >>>
> >>> The liver flush: Er, care to elaborate upon the bad memories? ;) Or
> >>> not, if you don't want. I thought it'd be something easy and cheap
> >>> enough to try at home.
> >>>
> >>> I know, I feel frustrated that I don't always feel as good as I
think
> >>> I should given that I eat better than probably eighty percent of the
> >>> town I live in...a very rough observation of what I see people put
> >>> into their shopping carts! Mind you, I don't know how they feel.
And

> >>> some of them look very unhealthy.
> >>>
> >>> I think some of us just have to make a greater effort because of
> >>> predispositions, other circumstances, etc.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks! More thoughts welcome.
> >>>
> >>> R.
> >>>
> >>> --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> 1) Alkalize myself with more alkaline forming foods
> >>>>
> >>>> That seems reasonable, although I wonder about what exactly
> >>>> people mean when they say "alkalize themselves", as there
> >>>> are various parts of the body that are healthiest when they
> >>>> are acidic -- the stomach and small intestines during
> >>>> digestion are good examples.
> >>>>
> >>>>> 2) Do a short water fast
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd skip that step -- you've probably got too many toxins in
> >>>> you already, and you should be taking things to bind to them
> >>>> and support your body in dealing with them. A water fast
> >>>> will just let them dump into your bloodstream and make
> >>>> you feel terrible.
> >>>>
> >>>>> 3) Take a gut-healing formula
> >>>>
> >>>> Certainly people claim this is good, although the ones I
> >>>> tried never made much difference.
> >>>>
> >>>>> 4) Take anti-candida supplements, be it Oil of Oregano, garlic,
> >>>>> coconut, etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> I did badly on garlic and coconut -- you might want to add
> >>>> probiotics and grapefruit seed extract to that list.
> >>>>
> >>>>> 7) Liver flush (a la Hulda Clark's Olive Oil, epsom salts, etc.)
> >>>>
> >>>> Ugh. That brings up some really unpleasant memories... :-(
> >>>> I suppose some people are helped by this, but I gave up on
> >>>> it before I noticed any improvements.
> >>>>
> >>>>> 9) While going after Lyme, try taking Modifilan (brown seaweed
> >>>>> extract) and perhaps other toxin/bio-toxin/metal binding agents to
> >>>>> help with possible die-off reaction
> >>>>
> >>>> And if you cannot tolerate modifilan, there are certainly
> >>>> alternatives,
> >>>> like activated charcoal, bentonite, apple pectin, etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd say that you'd do metal detox all by itself, and not just an
> >>>> adjunct to going after Lyme.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Throughout all this I'd be trying to eat well, take other general
> >>>>> detoxing agents such as sprouted broccoli seed,
> >>>>> burdock/dandelion/etc.
> >>>>> tinctures, and so on.
> >>>>
> >>>> Good ideas, although I don't know how helpful it actually is. It
> >>>> seems that people can eat really healthy and still stay ill...
> >>>>
> >>>> Marc
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

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Re: raw organic milk products

spiralwindintrees
In reply to this post by Andrew McAfee
I would agree. I am beginning to use raw milk whey, that I make
myself, to help raise my glutathione levels. I have been drinking
raw milk kefir for over a year and it has helped my health
tremendously. Even drinking the kefir probably helped raise my
gluathione levels, but my health was so poor several years ago that
my levels are still deficient. I believe that most traditional
cultures soured or fermented (curds and whey, yogurt, kefir, etc.)
their raw milk which makes it even more digestable and health
promoting.



--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote:
>
> I must start with my brother Mark is one of if not the largest
producer

> of raw organic milk and colostrum in the US.
> organicpastures.com
>
> I believe that milk problems come from non organic, pasteurized,
> homongenized, etc. store-bought milk and not raw organic milk.
> There are organic colostrum tablets you can get at Whole Foods and
> other health food stores and a goat colostrum that I think is great.
>
> I think the fats, immune support, and myriad of other beneficial
> elements in raw milk products are essential to healing. If it
doesn't
> work for you, that is fine. It may not be for everyone. Just make
sure

> it is raw AND organic.
>
> You can google to find a source near you.
> http://www.realmilk.com/
>
> Glad you don't have metal in your mouth.
>
> All my best to you and hope you find what works for you.
> Andrew
>
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2008, at 9:50 AM, rticleone wrote:
>
> > Hey Andrew, and Marc - thanks.
> >
> > No, I hadn't considered adrenal support - might be worth it,
> > especially considering how stressed out I've felt at times. I
admit,
> > it's easier to stress yourself when you realize how stupid and
> > unhealthy some of the things people embrace are, and that they can
> > make things harder for...and then rage against the injustice of it
> > all. Bad habit of mine.
> >
> > Andrew, I do like the idea of a strong system to begin with
before a
> > real cleansing attempt. I've shied away from trying colostrum,
> > because I have trouble with dairy (except butter, or better, raw
milk
> > butter, which our wise government thinks should be illegal).  
What are
> > your thoughts on dairy troubles and colostrum? I know there are
mixed
> > opinions on it.
> >
> > Fortunately, I have no metal fillings in my mouth (as far as I
know,
> > at least!) I have some "white fillings", whatever they are...but
I see
> > no amalgam among my teeth. I may have had a couple or few when I
was
> > younger, a lot younger - I'm twenty six - but if I did, they're
gone

> > now. I'd have to ask my parents about that.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > R.
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am of the opinion that no chelation therapy should be attempted
> > until
> >> the intestines and other organs are strong.
> >> I think starting with a colon cleanse is OK and then boosting the
> >> system with probiotics, butyrate, cholostrum, Phosphatidyl
Choline,
> >> etc. to make sure there is no leaky gut and the immune system is
> >> strong.
> >>
> >> Then, gently support and flush the liver and kidneys BEFORE
trashing
> >> them with a flood of heavy metals, viruses, toxins, chemicals,
etc.
> >>
> >> I am of the belief that it is more the virus/bacteria category
eating
> >> the myelin sheath (auto-immune) fed by heavy metals/toxins that
leads
> >> to ES. To flood the system with a detox will support the growth
of the
> >> virus/bacteria load and spread it wider and deeper and weaken
the body
> >> further.
> >>
> >> If a person is just starting a healing regimen they are probably
very
> >> weak energetically/ physically as well as their cell walls, blood
> > brain
> >> barrier, intestinal walls, etc. The body must be able to handle a
> > detox
> >> or it will get worse.
> >>
> >> So, no detox until one is strong. Oh, one more thing, no detox
until
> >> all metal has been removed correctly from the mouth.
> >>
> >> Here are mercury free dentists that will remove the mercury
correctly

> >> without you getting your brain, nerves, lungs fried.
> >> http://www.holisticdentalnetwork.com/directory.php#USA
> >>
> >> Here are dentists that won't put mercury in your mouth.
> >> http://mercuryfreedentists.com/listings.asp?StateName=California
> >>
> >> my 2 cents,
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >> On Dec 22, 2008, at 9:24 PM, rticleone wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey Marc. True - when I say alkalize, I just mean eating more
> >>> alkaline forming foods, particularly vegetables, not
necessarily
> >>> alter
> >>> my entire body's ph.
> >>>
> >>> I've tried something called IntestiNew by Renew Life - it
helped in
> >>> the past - less skin rashes from random foods, but I think
maybe I
> >>> fell off again after/should have taken something like it longer.
> >>> Could have caused more candida problems when I ate too many
> >>> raisins/drank too much rum here and there, yeesh. Not to sound
like
> >>> a
> >>> lush or nothin', but I think I react worse to alcohol than some
> >>> people, especially if my system's not balanced.
> >>>
> >>> Regarding the metal detox/Lyme - I recall you saying that
Modifilan
> >>> wasn't for you - I only got one bottle to start with, so I'll
see how
> >>> it goes. The other things you suggested sound gentle enough.  
Have
> >>> you heard of product called "Metal Magic"? It's a tincture of
> >>> Cilantro
> >>> and Chlorella -
> >>> http://www.baselinenutritionals.com/index.php?
> >>> display=product&view=category&cat=2&products_ID=16
> >>>
> >>> -does it sound too risky/hardcore to you?
> >>>
> >>> -The first time I ate a spoonful of coconut oil I felt
incredibly
> >>> ill.
> >>> I turned ghostly white, felt like I had to vomit and my heart
rate
> >>> went up to 180 or something. But that was the only time. Mind
you,
> >>> I
> >>> just cook with it now, not eat it by the spoonful, though I'm
sure
> >>> I've consumed the equivalent in finished dishes. Can't say
I've felt
> >>> ill from it since that one time. Ditto for garlic, though if I
chew
> >>> it too incompletely, it can upset my stomach. I remember the
> >>> Grapefruit Seed Extract - blech! Effective for some.
> >>>
> >>> As for probiotics vs. fermented food - I've tried both, but I
think I
> >>> need to do it longer term.
> >>>
> >>> The liver flush: Er, care to elaborate upon the bad
memories? ;) Or
> >>> not, if you don't want. I thought it'd be something easy and
cheap
> >>> enough to try at home.
> >>>
> >>> I know, I feel frustrated that I don't always feel as good as I
think
> >>> I should given that I eat better than probably eighty percent
of the
> >>> town I live in...a very rough observation of what I see people
put
> >>> into their shopping carts! Mind you, I don't know how they
feel. And

> >>> some of them look very unhealthy.
> >>>
> >>> I think some of us just have to make a greater effort because of
> >>> predispositions, other circumstances, etc.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks! More thoughts welcome.
> >>>
> >>> R.
> >>>
> >>> --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> 1) Alkalize myself with more alkaline forming foods
> >>>>
> >>>> That seems reasonable, although I wonder about what exactly
> >>>> people mean when they say "alkalize themselves", as there
> >>>> are various parts of the body that are healthiest when they
> >>>> are acidic -- the stomach and small intestines during
> >>>> digestion are good examples.
> >>>>
> >>>>> 2) Do a short water fast
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd skip that step -- you've probably got too many toxins in
> >>>> you already, and you should be taking things to bind to them
> >>>> and support your body in dealing with them. A water fast
> >>>> will just let them dump into your bloodstream and make
> >>>> you feel terrible.
> >>>>
> >>>>> 3) Take a gut-healing formula
> >>>>
> >>>> Certainly people claim this is good, although the ones I
> >>>> tried never made much difference.
> >>>>
> >>>>> 4) Take anti-candida supplements, be it Oil of Oregano,
garlic,
> >>>>> coconut, etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> I did badly on garlic and coconut -- you might want to add
> >>>> probiotics and grapefruit seed extract to that list.
> >>>>
> >>>>> 7) Liver flush (a la Hulda Clark's Olive Oil, epsom salts,
etc.)
> >>>>
> >>>> Ugh. That brings up some really unpleasant memories... :-(
> >>>> I suppose some people are helped by this, but I gave up on
> >>>> it before I noticed any improvements.
> >>>>
> >>>>> 9) While going after Lyme, try taking Modifilan (brown seaweed
> >>>>> extract) and perhaps other toxin/bio-toxin/metal binding
agents to
> >>>>> help with possible die-off reaction
> >>>>
> >>>> And if you cannot tolerate modifilan, there are certainly
> >>>> alternatives,
> >>>> like activated charcoal, bentonite, apple pectin, etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd say that you'd do metal detox all by itself, and not just
an
> >>>> adjunct to going after Lyme.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Throughout all this I'd be trying to eat well, take other
general
> >>>>> detoxing agents such as sprouted broccoli seed,
> >>>>> burdock/dandelion/etc.
> >>>>> tinctures, and so on.
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> >>>> Good ideas, although I don't know how helpful it actually is.  
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> >>>> seems that people can eat really healthy and still stay ill...
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> >>>> Marc
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Re: The correct sequence of detoxification - what is it?

evie15422
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Hi, Rticle,
 
You are onto a good thing here.  But first on your list should be to buy books to learn as much as you can and also to have done various medical testing to determine what you have medically to work with.  I go for regularblood tests (not prescribed by my doc, btw--I get these every 6 months thru various civic organizations.  They are called "multiphasic tests".  These include basic blood panels, test bone density, etc.  You can even have your water tested.  I don't know if Canadians have these or not, butthey are popular and relatively inexpensive in Pennsylvania.)  Once you have basic blood tests, etc, a book like "Prescriptions for Nutritional Healing" by Phyllis and James Balch, is a good place to study next.  It includes in it various home tests for alkaline/acidic metabolism and various other mineral tests.  Do all the tests you can find.  It also gives all the nutrients and their sources (foods mainly), symptoms of deficiency, and
toxicity.  Study this.  This is very important info.  Make yourself a list of nutrients which match your symptoms and eating habits (or should I say lack of eating habit).  Read up on all the various nutrients and helps they have--such as any info on neurological enzymes, neurotransmitters,etc.  Get a handle on as much as you can grasp and make a profile of your body profile and needs, areas which you can see you lack normalcy, etc.  Then you can start your list.  I mainly see people picking and choosing out of lack of overall knowledge of what they are dealing with.  You just can't go willy-nilly into taking nutrients, etc.  You do have to havean idea what you are doing.  One thing you will find with a book like "Prescriptions...." is, there is NO WAY you can take all the nutrients/herbs/etc that they suggest for a particular problem.  Don't worry about that.  Look instead to which nutrients are listed repeatedly for various problems you
have.  If you have 5 symptoms, for instance, that all list (for instance) B12 as the most important nutrient need (or one of the top 3 needs), thenyou will definitely want to list B12 as something to try.  Then when youhave a long list of nutrients/etc to try, you should watch for nutritionalformulas which match your list.  Go for quality and not for the number of odd ingredient needs.  Make sure the company you are buying from is first rate.
 
I am personally not able to get docs to do all the work for me on my particular needs, but when I find an alternative medical source, or doc who will work with me, I go there.  At one point, I was working with a nutritionist 3 states away by phone.  He was great!  He had worked in nutritional research under Carlton Fredricks years ago, and had written a book I read and found very informative.  He was relatively cheap!  I think he charged something like $65/45-50 min call.  We set up an appt and he calledme at that time.  I could ask him anything (he didn't necessarily know the answer, but he did research various things for me that he found interesting that I brought up.  One of those ideas was the connection between serotonin dumping and acid metabolism and how alkaline water might abate this.)  Be on a quest to gather as much info as you can, however you can come by it.  Also, spending alot of time on the internet (if you can stand it)can
get you alot of info--cutting edge info on recent research.

The major thing I disagreed with on your list was your water fast.  I react very badly to even missing one glass of water/day.  It affects me in many ways over the next week or so.  I wouldn't consider water fasting to be safe for me personally.  I like your ideas for the cleanses (tho I agree with Marc that they can be stressful.)  I especially like the idea youhave for gut flora cleansing (anti-candida, sugarfree, yeastfree, glutenfree diet--very good idea and also various antifungals/antibacterials/anti-parasitic and viral--all of these are very good ideas.  I, too, would add the probiotics that others suggested.  I don't know whether anyone suggested whey powder or monolauren, but I personally found these helpful in ridding the beasties from my gut. Calcium AEP and pantethine (and CoQ10) also were good for adrenal support when I was addressing these problems and cal AEP works as a "trojan horse" to kill candida--the candida love to side-track
calcium, but the "AEP" is hidden until it is in their biofilms and then releases and kills them.  I personally would move your bug killing to the top of your list.  I might add here that alkalization is likely tobe more of a help to people with "bug" issues.  I came to alkalization because I had a dxed condition called "serotonin dumping".  I had serotonin in my urine (possibly from gut damage and bad gut flora caused by celiac disease) which had been dxed by a 5-HIAA 24 hour urine test.  This began my quest to find out what I could do to cure this problem.  I ultimately found it was tied to metabolic acidity and so alkalinization helped it.  It was more than just a clinical problem for me, it severely affected my energy metabolism.  So, do I feel everyone with ES needs alkalization?  Hmmm....  good question.  Only if one feels that serotonin problems or acid metabolism is a problem (which is USUALLY the case in lymphatic overload
conditions).  This is why it is necessary for you to do homework to figure out your medical profile.  You may be a person for whom alkalization is a bad thing.  (Tho I suspect that most of us here tend toward adic metabolism.  And there is a difference, btw, between acid metabolism and acid/alkaline digestion or stomach.  One doesn't equate with the other.  And that is why you should do testing and read up on it first.)
 
My 2 cents--but I think you are really on track!
Diane
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From: rticleone <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] The correct sequence of detoxification - what is it?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 4:05 PM






It seems that when dealing with EMF issues, detoxification and the
elimination of pathogenic organisms plays a very important role.

I've tried a little bit of this, a little bit of that - my approach
has been very sporadic, and I'm not a position which affords me any
supplement known to man, but I'd like to try to do this a bit more
logically and sequentially.

I'm going to outline what I think would be a good sequence, and I'd
like to have some input from you guys about what you think of it:

1) Alkalize myself with more alkaline forming foods

2) Do a short water fast

3) Take a gut-healing formula (quite sure I have some compromised
intestinal permeability going on, given my reactions to food)

4) Take anti-candida supplements, be it Oil of Oregano, garlic,
coconut, etc. (I say with certainty that I've had yeast issues most of
my life and still may)

5) Kidney cleanse (a la Edgar Cayce using watermelon seed tea

6) Parasite cleanse (black walnut, cloves, et al)

7) Liver flush (a la Hulda Clark's Olive Oil, epsom salts, etc.)

8) Go after suspected Lyme/co-infections, take note of any improvement
or herxheimer reaction (worked on farms, recall a strange rash, been
through the woods off trails plenty of times, and given its ability to
imitate, what, three hundred diseases or so, and some people's
experience with it and ES, I figure it's worth a try)

9) While going after Lyme, try taking Modifilan (brown seaweed
extract) and perhaps other toxin/bio-toxin/ metal binding agents to
help with possible die-off reaction

Throughout all this I'd be trying to eat well, take other general
detoxing agents such as sprouted broccoli seed, burdock/dandelion/ etc.
tinctures, and so on.

So! What do you think? Any thoughts welcome.

Cheers,

R.

 














     

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