Testing neutral circuit on residential copper wires

Here's a test I did:

When power at the two breaker boxes were ON (4 pm, clear weather, dusk):


I read 39-40 with the Graham Stetzer meter when placed in an outlet.   Seven G/S filters were placed around the home, mostly near the breaker box, to get the reading to around 25 in bedrooms.

With an R/F noise making electro smog meter, I picked up noise starting at about 2 inches from that same outlet.

With a cheap AM radio set at AM 170 which is 170x10kHz, I get noticeable changes in sound (a louder white noise) about 2 inches from the same outlet.  

This outlet is far from any other source of electrical fields as far as I know, and it is in a room below grade.  The closest cell tower is at least two miles away, and there are no neighbor wifi's detected at this time.

When power at the two breaker boxes were OFF (4 pm, clear weather, dusk):

No G/S meter reading (no power), and therefore no current and no functionality of the seven filters.

R/F noise was picked up at around 2' from same outlet.

AM radio touched the outlet, and an AM radio station was broadcasting a voice through the radio...no power in home, so I'm assuming that the G/S filters were NOT able to harmonize this higher frequency as in the earlier reading.

This seems to suggest that most of the noise comes from external sources, and perhaps that my ground to neutral isn't doing the job completely.

Anyone else have thoughts, as an electrician is coming soon to inspect and make minor adjustments.

Thanks,

K
                                 

Sounds like your neutral and/or ground wiring is acting like
a good radio antenna.

If the electrician is smart, he could detect if there are any extra
grounding points by disconnecting the bonding screw and seeing
if there is still continuity to earth.  Also check for extra continuity
to neutral.  Warning though, in some cases one can spend all day
and still not find the problem.  In your case it's not even clear there
is a problem.  There can be enough capacitance between wires to
allow AM to jump across.

You need to check for net current in pipes etc,
It's not an easy project.  Try to trade in your GS meter
for a very sensitive gauss meter.

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One has to consider the following:

The Stetzer meter as well as the Stetzer filters do work up to ca 150 kHz.

An Entech meter goes higher, and let you radio transmissions of 800 kHz hear, which are present in your mains electricity net..

Of course a HAM radio will show what I call *dirty air*. Those are higher frequencies floating around in space.

Be also aware that, even when all electricity mains is shut off completely, you will find signals with your HAM radio.
These signals may come from your grounding.
And the grounding cables will transmit these signals through the whole of the building.

Now, the high frequent signals of mobile phone masts do contain also a lot of low frequencies as well as mid-frequencies, that is between 5kHz up to 30MHz.
Especially they are present in the side lobes of the main beams.
They arrive at the walls of the house as *dirty air*, pass the wall and travel further as *dirty power* in the mains electricity cables, and go from the wall sockets as *dirty air*.

Normal people are not harrassed by this, but electrosensitives may react heavily to these very tiny quantities of elektrosmog. For them, the amount of the fields is not important; for them, the information on these frequencies is the crux.
The transversal waves can only be measured at a short distance to the source, but longitudinal waves travel much farther, and are the biologically important waves.

So, when electrosensitives do complain about elektrosmog, where others cannot measure them, they are not fools, but only misunderstood victims of very present longitudinal waves.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  Subject: [eSens] Testing neutral circuit on residential copper wires


  Here's a test I did:

  When power at the two breaker boxes were ON (4 pm, clear weather, dusk):


  I read 39-40 with the Graham Stetzer meter when placed in an outlet.   Seven G/S filters were placed around the home, mostly near the breaker box, to get the reading to around 25 in bedrooms.

  With an R/F noise making electro smog meter, I picked up noise starting at about 2 inches from that same outlet.

  With a cheap AM radio set at AM 170 which is 170x10kHz, I get noticeable changes in sound (a louder white noise) about 2 inches from the same outlet.  

  This outlet is far from any other source of electrical fields as far as I know, and it is in a room below grade.  The closest cell tower is at least two miles away, and there are no neighbor wifi's detected at this time.

  When power at the two breaker boxes were OFF (4 pm, clear weather, dusk):

  No G/S meter reading (no power), and therefore no current and no functionality of the seven filters.

  R/F noise was picked up at around 2' from same outlet.

  AM radio touched the outlet, and an AM radio station was broadcasting a voice through the radio...no power in home, so I'm assuming that the G/S filters were NOT able to harmonize this higher frequency as in the earlier reading.

  This seems to suggest that most of the noise comes from external sources, and perhaps that my ground to neutral isn't doing the job completely.

  Anyone else have thoughts, as an electrician is coming soon to inspect and make minor adjustments.

  Thanks,

  K
                                   



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Thank you both for your insights and suggestions, I will consider them carefully.

I am preparing for the proposed build out of 4G towers and the local installation of smart meters.  It might be helpful to figure out where the high frequencies are coming from...ground or air or both.  In the worst case, at least I will have data records of how it was, and how things have changed. I think I should redo the test with no filters on the line to get a true baseline reading.


This system is grounded by a single copper rod which goes into a big slab of bedrock.  There are small hills around the home which probably mitigate some of those longitudinal waves. At this point, believe it or not, there are still many frogs and birds near by.  

Perhaps it would be good for more of us to document the changes in our power quality, so that we can effectively explore the mitigation possibilities going forward.

K



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I am afraid that your wiring in your house is a sewer of dirty electricity,
 whether you switch off your mains breaker or not.  You share the power  
along the wiring with everyone else, so if anyone has a dodgy TV such as a  
poorly designed plasma tv or any other electrical appliance that lets pulsed  
electrical noise into the mains you are likely to get it to.  Turning off  
the breaker will help a little but much of the electrical noise/interference  
will cross over the minute gap that the breaker has and so all your wiring
will  radiate off the noise as you have found out.  If you want to eliminate
this  problem them you would have to get an expert to install a very good
filter or  series of filters outside your house, or just find a house and go
off grid, but  even then you may still have the problems of rf in the air
and so on, plus water  pipes, gas pipes etc inducing the same into the house.
 
puk
 
 
In a message dated 21/12/2011 11:00:46 GMT Standard Time,  
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One has to consider the following:

The Stetzer meter as well as the  Stetzer filters do work up to ca 150 kHz.

An Entech meter goes higher,  and let you radio transmissions of 800 kHz
hear, which are present in your  mains electricity net..

Of course a HAM radio will show what I call  *dirty air*. Those are higher
frequencies floating around in space.

Be  also aware that, even when all electricity mains is shut off
completely, you  will find signals with your HAM radio.
These signals may come from your  grounding.
And the grounding cables will transmit these signals through the  whole of
the building.

Now, the high frequent signals of mobile phone  masts do contain also a lot
of low frequencies as well as mid-frequencies,  that is between 5kHz up to
30MHz.
Especially they are present in the side  lobes of the main beams.
They arrive at the walls of the house as *dirty  air*, pass the wall and
travel further as *dirty power* in the mains  electricity cables, and go from
the wall sockets as *dirty air*.

Normal  people are not harrassed by this, but electrosensitives may react
heavily to  these very tiny quantities of elektrosmog. For them, the amount
of the fields  is not important; for them, the information on these
frequencies is the  crux.
The transversal waves can only be measured at a short distance to the  
source, but longitudinal waves travel much farther, and are the biologically  
important waves.

So, when electrosensitives do complain about  elektrosmog, where others
cannot measure them, they are not fools, but only  misunderstood victims of
very present longitudinal  waves.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband  Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked  by Norton

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Subject: [eSens] Testing neutral  circuit on residential copper wires

Here's a test I did:

When  power at the two breaker boxes were ON (4 pm, clear weather, dusk):

I  read 39-40 with the Graham Stetzer meter when placed in an outlet. Seven
G/S  filters were placed around the home, mostly near the breaker box, to
get the  reading to around 25 in bedrooms.

With an R/F noise making electro smog  meter, I picked up noise starting at
about 2 inches from that same  outlet.

With a cheap AM radio set at AM 170 which is 170x10kHz, I get  noticeable
changes in sound (a louder white noise) about 2 inches from the  same outlet.

This outlet is far from any other source of electrical  fields as far as I
know, and it is in a room below grade. The closest cell  tower is at least
two miles away, and there are no neighbor wifi's detected at  this time.

When power at the two breaker boxes were OFF (4 pm, clear  weather, dusk):

No G/S meter reading (no power), and therefore no  current and no
functionality of the seven filters.

R/F noise was picked  up at around 2' from same outlet.

AM radio touched the outlet, and an  AM radio station was broadcasting a
voice through the radio...no power in  home, so I'm assuming that the G/S
filters were NOT able to harmonize this  higher frequency as in the earlier
reading.

This seems to suggest that  most of the noise comes from external sources,
and perhaps that my ground to  neutral isn't doing the job completely.

Anyone else have thoughts, as  an electrician is coming soon to inspect and
make minor  adjustments.

Thanks,

K


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Hi,

I read somewhere (coulda been here for all I know), a couple months back, that even with the mains off, you are still receiving power through the neutral. Kinda makes sense, since there is an emf around power cords up to the point of the switch on a lamp say, so off isn't really off. (As visible by watching my meter still slowly, slowly turn even with all switched off.)

Anyway, I went off grid almost two months ago since the evil elec. co. put a smart meter in against my wishes.

Just want to say, I feel soooo much better, than even when the power was "turned off", but not really off. It doesn't stop the wireless that comes through of course, but it is much less, so I rest better, and have more energy to deal with the rest of it.

There are still readings on trifield meter on gas lines, etc. in places, but not all the off the meter readings I got all around before. The invisible "silence" is golden, almost as good as back when I was a kid and the power would go out. You could not pay me to go back on grid now.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "urbanpinetrees3" <urbanpinetrees3@...> wrote:

Thanks for reporting this.  :) How are you powering your home?


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