Testing electrosensitives

Hello,

because I got fed up with all those engineers in highfrequency technique, and physicists, who babble about testing electrosensitives, without the notion of biology involved, I have written this piece.

It is an open letter I wrote to a dutch commission.
And this one I have tried to translate into english for your understanding.
It is my personal view of things.

It can be downloaded from:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Rapporten/0717KennisplatformE.pdf

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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Wow! Truly impressive.
What a truly beautiful piece of work!
And very well stated.
as my daughter would say: "Now THAT"S what I'm talking about!"
Lizzie
My gut tells me if you tested the aver joe blow, using  7 things, like: dirty air, dect ph, cell phone mast, high magnetic fields,  high ele fields  AND current in the water- you'd probably get a measurable reaction from every person. One might have dropped blood pressure or raised blood pressure, another low blood sugar, another a bad headache, another cramps in their feet. But they'd ALL have a reaction, and probably reactions they'd had all along, but didn't know the real cause.
 



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Hello,

because I got fed up with all those engineers in highfrequency technique, and physicists, who babble about testing electrosensitives, without the notion of biology involved, I have written this piece.

It is an open letter I wrote to a dutch commission.
And this one I have tried to translate into english for your understanding.
It is my personal view of things.

It can be downloaded from:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Rapporten/0717KennisplatformE.pdf

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

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Hello Charles,
Just a question in relation to your statement that  "for testing elektrosensitives, it is important, that they must have the condition as in figure 3 before the test. Persons according to figure 2 or figure 4 do not qualify."

Are you saying that all electrosensitive people above the threshold, people who are extremely sensitive, should be excluded from tests?

Doesn't this rule out all heavily electrosensitive people, who never come back down below the border threshold, and who are potentially, in theory, the most suitable to test given their high sensitivity?
Or am I misunderstanding something?

You are right about the need for the body to be stabilised again after exposure before the next test. Indeed, I have only ever seen one paper relating to testing electrosensitivie people mention this, and it is still a poor enough paper. See here:
www.avaate.org/IMG/doc/WHO_Seminar_paper_Final.doc




As an aside, in relation to the immune system I came across an interesting piece that puts forward a proposal of how EMF exposure might stimulate an immune response:
www.immunent.com/im/Immune_stimulation_in_Fish_and_Chicken.pdf

In it, the researchers hypothesize that stress to cells caused by EMF exposure may produce the immune system messengers, called cytokines, that function as alarms or so called danger signals for the immune system. They try to assess if the stimulation of the immune system by the EMFs may help diseased fish, but I would put forward that there could be the potential for stimulating the immune system in a bad way, especially if your immune system is already impaired, and may become more impaired through the exposure. I've looked at this paper on the immune system:www.fiatalitas.hu/0-Out%20of%20Balance.pdf

It states that certain hormones, called glucocorticoids, coming from the endocrine system, including cortisol, help prevent the immune system from overshooting or mounting an overreactive immune response that can cause damage to tissues and cells. Stress disrupts bidirectional communication between the brain and immune system and can cause dysregulation of these signals coming from the endocrine system. Therefore, it is possible that the glucocorticoid signals are disrupted; the result may be reduced restraint on the immune system and overproduction of proinflammatory cytokines.

I would put forward that because the immune system of electrosensitive people are probably impaired, and become more so with exposure to EMFs, that some electrosensitivity symptoms may be possibly caused by inflammation due to the above disruption.




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I'm glad you wrote this.  If possible you could edit it for
publication as a letter to a journal?  If so, it would make
sense to cite Dr. Bill Rea's paper, where he did follow
some of what you say, except he used a square wave generator
(probably analog).   He also considered chemical exposures,
etc.

I would also add that not all metals cause increase in DC
and ELF magnetic field--primarily it's steel that does that
(and not stainless steel).

It is also very important to know what thresholds to look
for.  I guess you are saying that 0.02 V/m is the right
ballpark; that is believable to me but there can be a range
around that, and if you can supply data or examples
that would be welcome.

Thanks,
Bill

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Thank you for translating that Charles. :)

I'm going to send it to a new acquaintence who has become es.
Actually there are two people the same friend asked me to talk
to who have become noticeably es, noticeable, because they can
no longer ignore it, and it's affecting their lives.  One was
caused by strong mold exposures apparently. His ranch was flooded
3 times this year!
~ Snoshoe

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Hi Everyone: This document is one of the best that I have read on the topic Electro-sensitivities. I personally have MCS [ Multiple Chemical Sensitivities ] . In the past few years I have experience an decrease in my ability to tolerate DC Electro Magnetic Fields. I can detect the radiation from a conducted in which no current is flowing. I have done many experiments to determine that this is actually happening. For an old Electrician of about 40 years this was hard for me to believe as I have no problems with AC fields. Each time I conducted the test the results were the same.


Here is one of the experiments that I performed.

Purpose:
To measure the DC Static radiation that my body will tolerate.

Material List:
1 Bare [ Conductor ] Rod [ Copper or Steel ] about 7 ft  [ 2.13 meters ] long
1 Small jumper wire with alligator clips on each end.
1 9.0 Vdc. battery.
1 measuring tape 25 ft. [ 7.6 meters ] in length.

Experiment setup.
Select an area that has a minimum exposure to all types of external DC Electro Magnetic Fields.
Place the rod in a vertical position [ leaning against a wall will work ]
Using the jumper cable connect the positive [ + ] Terminal of the battery to the rod.

Conducting the test.
Step No.1  I would start walking slowly from a point 20 ft. [ 6.0 meters ] towards the energized rod.
Step No.2  While I am walking towards the rod I would try to determine at what distance I would begin to feel the effects to the radiation from the rod.
Step No.3 I would mark this point on the floor.
Step No.4 I would then measure and record the distance between my body and the energized rod.

Observation Results:
    As I walked slowly towards the rod at some point I would begin to feel the sensation to fall backwards. I would have to catch my self or I would land on the floor.

Computing the Experiment results:
I began to feel the DC radiation aprox. at a distance of 10 feet [ 3.04 meters ] from the DC + energized rod.
To obtain a value of the amount of energy that my body was exposed to I use a version on the " Inverse Square Law".

Formula used: Battery Voltage / (( distance ) sq.)  = the energy field strength that my body was exposed to
Calculation Example [ using my own test values ]     (Energy Source 9.0 Vdc.) / (Distance sq. = 100 ) = ( Radiated Energy .09 Vdc. ).

Conclusions of My Experiments" I concluded that if the energy field in the area of my body was greater that .09 Vdc I will become ill very quickly.

As I mentioned earlier I have Many Food and Chemical sensitivities. I have included a link to a video that describes how I test foods and chemicals to determine if I can actually tolerate them. I can also use this test to determine the polarity of a battery that is located inside a battery enclosure such as a watch battery.
My observations are as follows: if the pendulum rotate in a clockwise rotation the + [ positive ] terminal is the closest to the pendulum. if the pendulum rotate in a counter clockwise rotation the - [ negative ] terminal is the closest to the pendulum.
Please Take some time to work with these 2 experiments and post your findings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV4_3a4eJD8 
If you have question and comments you may also send them to my personal email.
As Always: Howard. McArthur

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Your question:
Are you saying that all electrosensitive people above the threshold, people who are extremely sensitive, should be excluded from tests?

You have mixed up here two separate things.

1. *electrosensitive people above the threshold*
2. *extremely sensitive*

If I touch your finger gently, you won't feel any pain.
When I hit your finger with a hammer, and touch it gently, or point even to it, you will feel pain.
When I hit your finger again with the hammer, and touch it gently, or point even to it, you will feel the same pain.
Not twice the pain.

My point is, that with all these tests on electrosensitive persons, my 7 points were neglected.
And electrosensitives, who were already loaded with elektrosmog could not detect the next elektrosmog sources, and thus the *scientists* claim, that nobody could detect elektrosmog sources.
Sp, in mu opinion, the heavily electrosensitive persons, who are above the threshold are not suitable for serious testing.
And also *normal*, not-electrosensitive persons are not suitable for testing.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:45 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Re: Testing electrosensitives



  Hello Charles,
  Just a question in relation to your statement that  "for testing elektrosensitives, it is important, that they must have the condition as in figure 3 before the test. Persons according to figure 2 or figure 4 do not qualify."

  Are you saying that all electrosensitive people above the threshold, people who are extremely sensitive, should be excluded from tests?

  Doesn't this rule out all heavily electrosensitive people, who never come back down below the border threshold, and who are potentially, in theory, the most suitable to test given their high sensitivity?
  Or am I misunderstanding something?

  You are right about the need for the body to be stabilised again after exposure before the next test. Indeed, I have only ever seen one paper relating to testing electrosensitivie people mention this, and it is still a poor enough paper. See here:
  www.avaate.org/IMG/doc/WHO_Seminar_paper_Final.doc




  As an aside, in relation to the immune system I came across an interesting piece that puts forward a proposal of how EMF exposure might stimulate an immune response:
  www.immunent.com/im/Immune_stimulation_in_Fish_and_Chicken.pdf

  In it, the researchers hypothesize that stress to cells caused by EMF exposure may produce the immune system messengers, called cytokines, that function as alarms or so called danger signals for the immune system. They try to assess if the stimulation of the immune system by the EMFs may help diseased fish, but I would put forward that there could be the potential for stimulating the immune system in a bad way, especially if your immune system is already impaired, and may become more impaired through the exposure. I've looked at this paper on the immune system:www.fiatalitas.hu/0-Out%20of%20Balance.pdf

  It states that certain hormones, called glucocorticoids, coming from the endocrine system, including cortisol, help prevent the immune system from overshooting or mounting an overreactive immune response that can cause damage to tissues and cells. Stress disrupts bidirectional communication between the brain and immune system and can cause dysregulation of these signals coming from the endocrine system. Therefore, it is possible that the glucocorticoid signals are disrupted; the result may be reduced restraint on the immune system and overproduction of proinflammatory cytokines.

  I would put forward that because the immune system of electrosensitive people are probably impaired, and become more so with exposure to EMFs, that some electrosensitivity symptoms may be possibly caused by inflammation due to the above disruption.




  --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
  >
  > Hello,
  >
  > because I got fed up with all those engineers in highfrequency technique, and physicists, who babble about testing electrosensitives, without the notion of biology involved, I have written this piece.
  >
  > It is an open letter I wrote to a dutch commission.
  > And this one I have tried to translate into english for your understanding.
  > It is my personal view of things.
  >
  > It can be downloaded from:
  > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Rapporten/0717KennisplatformE.pdf
  >
  > Greetings,
  > Charles Claessens
  > member Verband Baubiologie
  > www.milieuziektes.nl
  > www.milieuziektes.be
  > www.hetbitje.nl
  > checked by Norton
  >
  >
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Unless this is done in a screen room I have to think
the rod is acting like an antenna for some other field
and your are reacting to that.  The earth normally
(away from metal) has an electric field of about 200 volts per meter
(upwards).



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Hi Everyone: The test that I described earlier was done in the center of the second floor of my 4 bedroom home. The vertical rod [ Antenna ] was energized to same potential as the + terminal of the 9 Vdc battery. There was no WiFi or EMF equipment operating at the time of this test. The only operating power system would be the normal house wiring. The vertical distance down to the basement floor would be about 17 ft.
My objective is to develop a test that will determine the level of sensitivity a person is to Static Vdc Electrical Energy. I am hoping that some of the group members will try this test and report their observation back to the group or to my private email account. Thanks in advance. Howard.

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A new study published in the International Journal of Neuroscience has demonstrated electrosensitivity in a female doctor.

http://electromagnetichealth.org/electromagnetic-health-blog/ehs-paper/

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Hi Everyone: This is a very good paper. For My personal experience I believe there are some people who are sensitive to frequencies while others like me are sensitive to just static electrical energies such as one pole of a magnet or battery.
It the past I was treated several times by my Allergist with "Rife" frequencies. I did not react to them nor did I receive any benefit. As Always: Howard

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The patient in that paper mainly responded to
the field being switched on and off 10 times per
second. We don't know if that caused RF transients..


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This is an amazing study for proof EMF causes pain. 

How is the pulsing strength compared to a cell phone or tower?  

Will they blame that she has
mild epilepsy w the MRI abnormality? How strong is an MRI. Must have been terrible for her to go through that & the study.  They're not going to say we all have partial epilepsy?

Will  read your opinion Charles.

Kathy

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A new study published in the International Journal of Neuroscience has demonstrated electrosensitivity in a female doctor.



http://electromagnetichealth.org/electromagnetic-health-blog/ehs-paper/



--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> because I got fed up with all those engineers in highfrequency technique, and physicists, who babble about testing electrosensitives, without the notion of biology involved, I have written this piece.

>

> It is an open letter I wrote to a dutch commission.

> And this one I have tried to translate into english for your understanding.

> It is my personal view of things.

>

> It can be downloaded from:

> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Rapporten/0717KennisplatformE.pdf

>

> Greetings,

> Charles Claessens

> member Verband Baubiologie

> www.milieuziektes.nl

> www.milieuziektes.be

> www.hetbitje.nl

> checked by Norton

>

>

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Hi: I have real concerns if I ever had to have a MRI done. In the past I have had major reactions to the magnets that are found in small DC Automotive [ Fan ] motors. I have wondered if an MRI would similar to a standard bar magnet and cause similar type of mood changing symptoms.  Howard

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