Stetzerizer Meter

I have been using a Stetzerizer meter to measure the electrical
pollution in circuits and sometimes the readings are below 50 and other
times they are off the richter (a huge number flashes (often over 1,000
and then the meter reads 1 on the left side of the gauge, which I have
been told is what happens when the readings are higher than the meter
can register).

Can it really vary this much? I'm trying to make sense of this before
shelling out for filters which I can't really afford.

Thanks,
Aline

> Can it really vary this much? I'm trying to make sense of this before
> shelling out for filters which I can't really afford.

Yes, it can vary quite a lot, depending on whatever is contributing
to the noise on the line, and whether that thing is turned on
or off.

The question is -- do you feel noticeably worse when the readings
are high compared to when the readings are low? If you
don't notice any difference, then perhaps the Stetzer filters
won't provide you any noticeable benefit.

Marc

I understand that readings are influenced by what our neighbors are
doing also but it doesn't seem to make any difference if our 2
computers are off or on.

Is it mainly computers that produce electrical pollution (I know
dimmers switches do also but it is unlikely that people have them on
during the day when I have often tested).

I guess I will have to test in the middle of the night when it is
unlikely anyone has much switched on.

Thanks for any further clarification.

Aline

It just doesn't In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

Can it really vary this much? I'm trying to make sense of this before
shelling out for filters which I can't really afford.

Yes, it can vary quite a lot, depending on whatever is contributing
to the noise on the line, and whether that thing is turned on
or off.

The question is -- do you feel noticeably worse when the readings
are high compared to when the readings are low? If you
don't notice any difference, then perhaps the Stetzer filters
won't provide you any noticeable benefit.

Marc

It makes sense that it varies a lot. Certain types of electric motors and
electronics
running will make a big difference (in your house or in any house sharing
the
same transformer). Plugging the electronics in to a good surge
protector might help. A possible way to see if it will help you is to
experiment
with turning off breakers. If that doesn't help, I don't see how filters
can. And
when you turn off the breaker you're also cutting out the 60Hz fields, which
the
filters don't do (in fact they increase the magnetic field a bit, so you
want the
filters close to the source of the noise and far from you).

On the other hand, the breaker box may have huge fields, especially when
open,
so spending a lot of time experimenting with it could make you feel worse?

Take care and good luck--Bill


On 7/2/07, Aline <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Aline wrote:
> I understand that readings are influenced by what our neighbors are
> doing also but it doesn't seem to make any difference if our 2
> computers are off or on.

At my house, turning on my computer will raise the Stetzerizer
meter readings from about 80 to 180. Or at least this used to
be the case before I started using a Furman filtering power
strip. Now I don't think the readings change much at all
when the computer is turned on/off.

> I guess I will have to test in the middle of the night when it is
> unlikely anyone has much switched on.

I find that Sunday morning seems to be a quiet time in terms
of Stetzerizer meter levels... and evenings during the week
seem to be the worst.

Marc

> Is it mainly computers that produce electrical pollution (I know
> dimmers switches do also but it is unlikely that people have them on
> during the day when I have often tested).


Our washing machine registers very high frequencies on the stetzer meter
when its in use.

I regularly see readings of over 1000 when no appliances or computers
are running except the fridge (as I said it flashes on a huge number
then goes to 1) so I am presuming the readings are being generated
from neighbors.

Something doesn't feel right about this. The person I purchased the
meter from says she has seen this phenomena (the dial going to 1) in
schools but not residential housing.

I generally feel like crap in the living room and kitchen - feel
invaded by energy. I can feel it going up my legs and into my energy
centers when I stand in the kitchen cooking. Yesterday I was trying
to clean the floors and I reached the point where I wanted to scream
and throw things. Had to go outside.

Also getting wi-fied in the bedrooms and it feels like the metal in
the bed is intensifying it. Can't stay in the bed more than 10
minutes - I feel 'electrified'. Sleeping on a futon in the bathroom
currently but I'm still getting wi-fried in there, just not as badly.

Aaaaagh "What's it going to be next?" (to quote my husband). We are
probably going to put the house on the market but I don't know if I
will survive till then. It's an uphill struggle trying to get my
partner to believe me, let alone make changes ("you want me to tear
the house apart.......").

Apologies for the rant.

Aline

--- In [hidden email], "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote:

It makes sense that it varies a lot. Certain types of electric
motors and electronics running will make a big difference (in your
house or in any house sharing the same transformer). Plugging the
electronics in to a good surge protector might help. A possible way
to see if it will help you is to experiment with turning off
breakers. If that doesn't help, I don't see how filters can. And
when you turn off the breaker you're also cutting out the 60Hz
fields, which the filters don't do (in fact they increase the
magnetic field a bit, so you want the filters close to the source of
the noise and far from you).

On the other hand, the breaker box may have huge fields, especially
when open, so spending a lot of time experimenting with it could make
you feel worse?

Take care and good luck--Bill

On 7/2/07, Aline <haikuron@...> wrote:

I have been using a Stetzerizer meter to measure the electrical
pollution in circuits and sometimes the readings are below 50 and
other times they are off the richter (a huge number flashes (often
over 1,000 and then the meter reads 1 on the left side of the gauge,
which I have mbeen told is what happens when the readings are higher
than the meter can register).

Can it really vary this much? I'm trying to make sense of this before
shelling out for filters which I can't really afford.

Thanks,
Aline

My sympathy goes out to you and your husband.

I don't know if it can help but here's some thoughts I wrote about
shielding:
http://electricalhealth.org/shielding.html

I'm also thinking now that fresh air is critical. The dust that comes out
of our fabrics (especially bedding, carpet pads, furniture) is laced with
neurotoxins (fire retardants). Plastics too (TV set cases, etc).
Try sleeping outside?

Best,
Bill

On 7/3/07, Aline <[hidden email]> wrote:

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I thought my problems were due to electricity, but really they were from
radio towers. Drive around and see what towers are around you - not just
cell towers. Also, do you live anywhere near an airp9ort? My problems seem
sto be mostly related to the local airport.

On 7/3/07, Aline <[hidden email]> wrote:


--
Paul Coffman


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If you feel better in the bathroom that might be bacause of the all the
tile, metal mirros, bathtub, etc. that help to block the radio waves. Also,
the stetzer meter values are meanigless - eitherr the filters make you feel
better or they don't, in my case they didn't. Dave Stetzer is a nice guy
and he'll give you money back - 20%.

On 7/3/07, Aline <[hidden email]> wrote:


--
Paul Coffman


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Interesting. Can you find out what frequency of radar they use at the
airport?

Some radar frequencies may be beyond what most meters can detect...

Bill

On 7/3/07, Paul Coffman <[hidden email]> wrote:

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There's no radar - just a non-directional beacon for the ILS and a VOR -
for whatever reason those 2 things drive me nuts. Of course it took 6
months to figure that out, in the mean time I mistakenly thought it was rf
on the power lines, etc. I wonder how many other esens people have had
issues with this airport stuff but never realized it - I think the problem
is this stuff is very powerful, designed to be picked up far awar, etc. -
eventually it will go away to be replaced by GPS.

On 7/3/07, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote:


--
Paul Coffman


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Hi Aline,

One detail I can point out, is that there are 2 "phases" in the house.
That is how 120V + 120V makes 220V.
It might take a little detective work to figure out which outlet is on
which phase. I call them Black and Red, for the wire colors I used to
differentiate them. I doubt most house builders get that precise or
picky. ;-)
By mapping the circuit breaker box, and knowing how the bars are
configured inside, this can be figured out.
Usually, it is:
Black Black
Red Red
Black Black
Red Red
etc.

If the noise maker is on one phase, and you plug in the meter to the
other phase, it will not register or change when the noise equipment
turns off and on.

Likewise, if you turn off everything, (except one outlet, usually near
the panel), you can get a base line reading for the "neighborhood". The
transformer buffers and filters your power from everybody else, ...
mostly...

Stewart

Aline wrote:

Aline wrote:
> I regularly see readings of over 1000 when no appliances or computers
> are running except the fridge (as I said it flashes on a huge number
> then goes to 1) so I am presuming the readings are being generated
> from neighbors.
>
>

I forget if you said (months ago), but how close are your nearest neighbors?

> Something doesn't feel right about this. The person I purchased the
> meter from says she has seen this phenomena (the dial going to 1) in
> schools but not residential housing.
>

Schools have Lots and lots of fluorescent lighting, and the newer
"electronic" ones are noisier than the old fashioned flickering ones.
The meter does measure noise on the line. Dirty power can be seen on an
oscilloscope.

You may be right, in that filters might not help. Depends on where the
noise is coming from.

> I generally feel like crap in the living room and kitchen - feel
> invaded by energy. I can feel it going up my legs and into my energy
> centers when I stand in the kitchen cooking. Yesterday I was trying
> to clean the floors and I reached the point where I wanted to scream
> and throw things. Had to go outside.
>

The vacuum is a possible noise maker.
What you describe, are locations with high magnetic fields, or electric
fields.

Are you rural enough to camp outside? somewhere away from power lines
and neighbors?


> Also getting wi-fied in the bedrooms and it feels like the metal in
> the bed is intensifying it. Can't stay in the bed more than 10
> minutes - I feel 'electrified'. Sleeping on a futon in the bathroom
> currently but I'm still getting wi-fried in there, just not as badly.
>
>

Who has a wi-fi transmitter? nearby?
Sounds like duck soup. Too many things going on to single out any one cause.

> Aaaaagh "What's it going to be next?" (to quote my husband). We are
> probably going to put the house on the market but I don't know if I
> will survive till then. It's an uphill struggle trying to get my
> partner to believe me, let alone make changes ("you want me to tear
> the house apart.......").
>
> Apologies for the rant.
>
>

The more details you give, the more it usually helps.
My sympathies. I can only recommend moving.
How do you feel in Other houses?

Stewart

Anything that has a heat coil or a motor or both emits more emfs.
Refrigeration also, but most people don't spend extended time in front
of the refrigerator. I still have a vacuum cleaner and will probably
keep it but I bought an old fashioned Bissell carpet sweeper. Its
absolutely great. We have two furry critters and it picks up all the
hair. I have it hanging on the back porch. I can pick it up with two
fingers. It doesn't make noise.

I also got a really nice feather duster. I am going backwards in time.
I love it.

Yolanda
On Jul 4, 2007, at 7:50 AM, S. Andreason wrote:

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Hi Stewart, thanks for your response.

Neighbors are quite close (30-40' on the bedroom side where the wi-fi
is coming from).

I was using a swiffer in the living room, not a vacuum cleaner but
there are hot spots from wiring all over that area.

I dream about camping outside but it would invade the privacy of our
vacation rental guests downstairs and then there's the neighbor's A/C
and porch lights.......

I believe the problem in the bedroom is predominantly wi-fi and the
kitchen/living/dining is predominantly magnetic fields from wiring. I
can feel the energy going up my legs when I stand in the kitchen.
There are some spots I stay right away from as I can feel it so
strongly.

I know some people say that it is the electrical pollution on the
60hz rather than the clean 60hz itself that causes the problems. I'm
sure the radio frequencies from the wi-fi are travelling on the
electrical circuits too, however.

I feel fine in the apartment below (which has no hotspots) although
I'm sure I would have a problem sleeping in the bedroom (which is
also wi-fied). I also feel fine in other houses, although being in
this house has sensitized me to things like fluorescent lights and
microwave ovens - things that I hardly noticed previously.

Aline

In [hidden email], "S. Andreason" <sandreas41@...> wrote:

Aline wrote:
I regularly see readings of over 1000 when no appliances or computers
are running except the fridge (as I said it flashes on a huge number
then goes to 1) so I am presuming the readings are being generated
from neighbors.

I forget if you said (months ago), but how close are your nearest
neighbors?

Something doesn't feel right about this. The person I purchased the
meter from says she has seen this phenomena (the dial going to 1) in
schools but not residential housing.
 
Schools have Lots and lots of fluorescent lighting, and the newer
"electronic" ones are noisier than the old fashioned flickering ones.
The meter does measure noise on the line. Dirty power can be seen on
an oscilloscope.

You may be right, in that filters might not help. Depends on where
the noise is coming from.

I generally feel like crap in the living room and kitchen - feel
invaded by energy. I can feel it going up my legs and into my energy
centers when I stand in the kitchen cooking. Yesterday I was trying
to clean the floors and I reached the point where I wanted to scream
and throw things. Had to go outside.
 
The vacuum is a possible noise maker. What you describe, are
locations with high magnetic fields, or electric fields.

Are you rural enough to camp outside? somewhere away from power lines
and neighbors?

Also getting wi-fied in the bedrooms and it feels like the metal in
the bed is intensifying it. Can't stay in the bed more than 10
minutes - I feel 'electrified'. Sleeping on a futon in the bathroom
currently but I'm still getting wi-fried in there, just not as badly.

Who has a wi-fi transmitter? nearby?
Sounds like duck soup. Too many things going on to single out any one
cause.

Aaaaagh "What's it going to be next?" (to quote my husband). We are
probably going to put the house on the market but I don't know if I
will survive till then. It's an uphill struggle trying to get my
partner to believe me, let alone make changes ("you want me to tear
the house apart.......").

Apologies for the rant.

The more details you give, the more it usually helps.
My sympathies. I can only recommend moving.
How do you feel in Other houses?

Stewart

>
> I was using a swiffer in the living room, not a vacuum cleaner but
> there are hot spots from wiring all over that area.
>
>
> I feel fine in the apartment below (which has no hotspots) although
> I'm sure I would have a problem sleeping in the bedroom (which is
> also wi-fied


>> .
>
>


I seem to recall something about swiffers being really nasty as far
as the chemical fall out from them. I wouldn't have one.

You or anybody else would be much better to hard wire your wireless
router right into the electricity. A wireless is not only picking up
the emf from your equipment but from everyone else's equipment in
your neighborhood. Also if you are wireless your system can very
easily be hacked into. When we finally got cable, the cable
installers wired the wireless right into our system. It took about a
minute and didn't cost us anything extra.

Yolanda






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Hi Yolanda,

I didn't explain clearly: we don't have wireless (no way!) but we are
getting signals from at least 4 other systems in our house. The
signal is so strong in the bedroom that the electrosmog detector goes
off.

I am actually wondering now if the ES detector is picking up a DECT
phone rather than wireless as we talked to our closest neighbor on
the bedroom side and he swears he switches off his wi-fi most nights.

Re a swiffer: are we talking about the same thing? A plastic 'broom'
thing that grips a clingy fabric sheet?! Chemical fallout?

Thanks for clarifying,

Aline

--- In [hidden email], Yolanda LaCombe <energyworks@...> wrote:

I was using a swiffer in the living room, not a vacuum cleaner but
there are hot spots from wiring all over that area.

I feel fine in the apartment below (which has no hotspots) although
I'm sure I would have a problem sleeping in the bedroom (which is
also wi-fied

I seem to recall something about swiffers being really nasty as far  
as the chemical fall out from them. I wouldn't have one.

You or anybody else would be much better to hard wire your wireless  
router right into the electricity. A wireless is not only picking up  
the emf from your equipment but from everyone else's equipment in  
your neighborhood. Also if you are wireless your system can very  
easily be hacked into. When we finally got cable, the cable  
installers wired the wireless right into our system. It took about a  
minute and didn't cost us anything extra.

Yolanda

Hello all,

I finally managed to get hold of a stetzerizer meter
a month ago. Feel well in Brisbane.100- 160 w/o filter,
less with. Uni library 100- 200.

First unwell in Melbourne home. Readings ok, to I think
160 w/o filter, expected more. Shot up to 700s with washing machine
spin cycle (I'm sure variable speed drive in machine, I've always
had symptoms after that machine used). Light
dimmer on halogens put it up about 100 when on I think.
But next to my bed that I used to occupy when this started
years ago there is a power plug. Cleaning woman used was
uncoordinated and used to stand on it so clock radio plug
would hang out. When tested and plug was jiggled (as it
used to hang out) it would shoot up to 700s then down,
only when plug loose- poor connection. I mentioned dowsing
lines were here adjacent some time ago. I remember that plug
hanging loose.
To place where I stayed in Melbourne for last 7 years.
Mansion split up into units. Diabetic friend next door. Just
lost a lens cataract, plastic implant. Prior brain surgery
for trigeminal neuralgia. Other mate neighbour serious arthritis
hobbles along. Other guy out the back serious illness, resuscitated
in the carpark. Other neighbour moved in upstairs 1 yr, alcohol
since, 6 mo since diabetes diagnosis. I am sure it is a sick
building. I mentioned my own issue previous.

Stetzer during day- 200- 220.
At night with tvs on all units occupied max 993, avg 800- 900.

I went to get a local dr to set up a study to replicated stetz
blood glucose 3 yrs ago. He said yes, but I got distracted. As I do. 1 yr
away from Melbourne I'm running on treadmill. We need follow up
on bl glucose. It is quite possible that obesity epidemic may be
linked to dirty wiring producing glucose surges- large community
and public interest there. We can crossmatch GS with bgl with heart rate
variability and sleep, symptoms.

Stetzer meters: Pr Graham and Stetzer have done a great job with
this concept and service to us. Meter readings must be logged or
they are not good enough- large weekly changes. Aline's story
interesting. GS Meter circuit is patented. For those who already
own one, we need to drill a couple of holes in the front of the
meter and wire in a little voltage or current plug- two little pins
into the circuit where you can plug in a logging device and it will
store a weeks readings without damaging the machine or altering the
readings. I will get
onto a mate shortly to knock out a circuit. GS MEters are copyright,
these not for sale, DIY.

With logging meters its not hard to plug them in at home, stab yourself
with a bgl pin every day and run a very simple investigation. Hope
my mate Nicko will help me, but anybody here who can modify a bit of
electronics great. Even cross compare with sleep. Do a few correlations.

I've seen one report where the Canadian govt try to knock the meter
and they point out in artificial conditions it can produce harmonics. I
wonder if this produce occasionally reported disagreements with some
people? A harmonic filter on the switch (expensive) should help. Like
Marc's one (Furman)?

Filters in all my circumstances lower readings. Filters now hum having
copped a few surges. I guarantee I will recontact my fellows who
lived with me previously in box hill and see how they go with some
GS filters after they have had them a year.

I note that at the Melbourne WHO conference Pr Laurie Challis pointed
out that many models showed no damage from EMF, except more advanced
(called nonlinear) models of EMF in what I think he said was the VLF
range- same as GS filters.
I would like to contact Pr Challis and get these models but may have
offended him at the conference, oh well.

Very interested in Charles comments of 30 KHz from tv NOT connected to
mains. Wonder if pickup from transformer in tv. Any ideas from anyone?
Also space near computer (presumably measured with loop antenna?)- is
a computer monitor a primary radiator of these VLF signals? VLF would
normally
sit on a wire, being called conductive. Maybe when the get aggressive they
can radiate?

I am quite interested in these GS VLF signals and how they interact with
hotspots, cancer cluster sites and what some consider geopathic stress.

Sidetracking to cancer cluster sites: official organisations have
displayed that they may not have due candour when allowing
readings to be taken. But sometimes cancer clusters hit civilan homes.
There is a nasty cluster in Castle Ave near Sheffield I think UK. The
UK volunteers are overstretched as it is, and I've had the police
called on me doing a doorknock myself at a possible cluster (!!), but if
somebody could get to castle ave and see if they have high GS readings,
as Lloyd Morgan found at a high school recently, that could be a great
help to them, and also to us.

I'm wondering if noisy VLF is 'TURBULENT ELECTRICITY' related to
longitudinal
waves, versus CLEAN 'LAMINAR ELECTRICITY'. I'm guessing whether high
GS readings may be a marker for longitudinal waves which may exist.

Good to hear of typical readings. I will not live in Box Hill anymore I
think, even with filters, just to be sure. I have just ordered a
soundblaster
audigy sound card and got some probes. I want to record these signals
over an extended period. There is an interesting article in May 'Elektor'
magazine on that sort of thing. A man says these signals emanate out of
the ground near his home. I want to know if they're associated with
geopathic stress.

I haven't forgotten mentioning a bit of a funding society some weeks ago.
I will knock up a little suggestion following that of those who have
already
suggested it in about a month and send it to the societies, if anybody is
interested. Societies are good at their activism, every now and then
they need some research funding ties.

Good to hear about typical GS values- maybe a list in the files section
as a database?

Cool, Rowster C.


--- In [hidden email], Sandi Maurer <jspirit@...> wrote:
>
> > Is it mainly computers that produce electrical pollution (I know
> > dimmers switches do also but it is unlikely that people have them on
> > during the day when I have often tested).
>
>
> Our washing machine registers very high frequencies on the stetzer meter
> when its in use.
>

In a message dated 7/7/2007 3:04:15 PM GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Good to hear of typical readings. I will not live in Box Hill anymore I
think, even with filters, just to be sure. I have just ordered a
soundblaster
audigy sound card and got some probes. I want to record these signals
over an extended period. There is an interesting article in May 'Elektor'
magazine on that sort of thing. A man says these signals emanate out of
the ground near his home. I want to know if they're associated with



IS THAT BOXHILL IN SURREY ?






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