Stetzer filter for car?

Hi all,
I am searching for a car I can tolerate. I found that the Ford Focus
has very low electromagnetic radiation, with different areas measuring
between 1-2 milligauss on my Trifield meter. Most cars I have tried
measure 5-15 milligauss. My question is whether there is a Stetzer
filter or other filter/shield that can be used in a car to reduce the
high frequency radiation from the dashboard and other areas. Much
thanks, Julie www.PlanetThrive.com

iceradioproducts makes a filter designed for car stereo or other
equipment. You'd have to see which circuits are causing problems
near the driver and try to just filter those.

If you get a car with everything manual there might
be hope. For my 1982 mercedes I just got a list of circuits that
can be safely disconnected. There's all kinds of electric regulator
circuits, most are too high in frequency to show up on a gauss meter
I think. Check with an AM radio too.

Good luck, and test drive some diesels too. A gauss meter may not
pick up the ignition but a radio tuned to an empty AM frequency will.

Bill

On 10/21/07, lunagirl32002 <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> I am searching for a car I can tolerate. I found that the Ford Focus
> has very low electromagnetic radiation, with different areas measuring
> between 1-2 milligauss on my Trifield meter. Most cars I have tried
> measure 5-15 milligauss. My question is whether there is a Stetzer
> filter or other filter/shield that can be used in a car to reduce the
> high frequency radiation from the dashboard and other areas. Much
> thanks, Julie www.PlanetThrive.com

Well, the power source for a car is a 12 volt battery, so there isn't
really a need for a Stetzer-like device. There are EMF protection
devices for cars which plug into the cigarette lighter jack -- the
Quantum AutoClear is one such device:

http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_autoclear.html

Also, personal EMF protection devices work in cars -- this is what I
use.

BTW, I'm driving a 2006 Acura RSX, which is positively retro when it
comes to the dashboard design. Never even had a hint of ES from that
dashboard...

Marc

Thanks Marc. Have you - or anyone else - ever used an EMF protection
device in your car?

Which personal protection device do you wear?

Thanks, Julie

ps Your car model looks really nice but is unfortunately above my
budget. Thanks for mentioning it though.

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

> There are EMF protection devices for cars which plug into the
cigarette lighter jack -- the Quantum AutoClear is one such device:

http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_autoclear.html

Also, personal EMF protection devices work in cars -- this is what I use.

> Thanks Marc. Have you - or anyone else - ever used an EMF protection
> device in your car?

Yes, I used the Quantum Auto Clear several years ago, when I was
more sensitive. It certainly did help back then, but later I improved
to the point where it wasn't really necessary. And I also think
the reason I might have stopped using it was because I noticed
that it made me more prone to getting shocks immediately after
leaving the car, which was annoying.

> Which personal protection device do you wear?

In the car, I usually have a Springlife OM pendant somewhere in
the car, but again, I don't really have any noticeable problems
in the car anymore, so I'm not the best person to ask!

http://choosecra.com/htmlpages/homepage/prodinfo/springlife.html

Marc

We use the Bioproetct card in the car.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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From: "lunagirl32002" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 05:50
Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF protection devices for cars

LessEMF sells an anti static mat for the car seat. I would buy that before
any
devices based on unknown quantum effects (my Ph.D. was on quantum
mechanics).

There's an electrical engineer with very bad ES and MCS who drives an old
(pre 1986) mercedes 300D with modified alternator and small solar collector
to charge the battery. He disconnected radio, tach, antenna, heater
solenoid,
etc.

Bill

On 10/21/07, lunagirl32002 <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Hi Bill,
Oh, wish I had seen this before I ordered the Auto-Clear! What do you
mean 'unknown quantum effects'???
Thanks,Julie

--- In [hidden email], "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote:
>
> LessEMF sells an anti static mat for the car seat. I would buy that
before
> any
> devices based on unknown quantum effects (my Ph.D. was on quantum
> mechanics).
>

Thanks Marc,
I just ordered the Auto Clear. Is it safe or even effective to use
BOTH the Auto Clear AND Springlife Om Pendant in the car at the same
time? Do you know if the pendant is stainless steel or sterling
silver? The website does not specify.
Thanks, Julie


--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>
> In the car, I usually have a Springlife OM pendant somewhere in
> the car, but again, I don't really have any noticeable problems
> in the car anymore, so I'm not the best person to ask!
>
> http://choosecra.com/htmlpages/homepage/prodinfo/springlife.html
>
> Marc
>

It is my suspicion that all these pendants and gizmos are just snake oil.
I know people who have measured fields and seen no changes with these
things. Some might disperse magnetic fields slightly.

The ones that have science behind them are Shumann devices, which I
have not tried, but make a field that is like what comes from resonances
in the ionosphere. Stetzer filters do something too; unfortunately they
don't cancel 'common mode' noise, or 60 Hz or other low frequencies,
so in many cases they won't help significantly.

I have installed more iceradioproducts filters (model 475 I think), like one
on the fridge, the forced air furnace,
the comuter.
I think it makes a difference, and it's easy to measure the effects with a
stetzer meter
(and the results are much more dramatic than a stetzer filter). Plus, they
can stop
common mode noise. Ideally these filters should be grounded but I have not
yet
grounded mine. They still work.

Still I do best with the main breaker off, and even then I can feel what's
going through
the pipes or from the neighbor's house and transformer in our yard...

Incidently, I got a B-12 injection last week and although my main symptoms
aren't much
different, I do feel like my mind has been much clearer since then. It was
a big dose, like
15mg; I think in future I'd feel safer with 1-3mg injections

Bill
On 10/22/07, lunagirl32002 <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> I just ordered the Auto Clear. Is it safe or even effective to use
> BOTH the Auto Clear AND Springlife Om Pendant in the car at the same
> time? Do you know if the pendant is stainless steel or sterling
> silver? The website does not specify.

I believe it is available (from the manufacturer) in stainless steel
and silver, perhaps even copper as well. The most common ones are
stainless steel, and that is probably the "default".

Marc

> Oh, wish I had seen this before I ordered the Auto-Clear! What do you
> mean 'unknown quantum effects'???

That means Bill doesn't know what they do, and since he thinks they
are all a scam, he hasn't bothered to investigate further.

However, if one reviews the messages on this group, you will find
several people who have gotten various amounts of relief using
various "gizmos", so perhaps they are worth more than Bill is
giving them credit for...

Marc

> Is it safe or even effective to use BOTH the Auto Clear AND
> Springlife Om Pendant in the car at the same time?

Oh, I forgot to answer this 2nd part... you should experiment
with using one or the other or both, and see what makes you
feel the best in both short & long term. I personally have
used Quantum Products and Springlife Polarizers together
at my workplace for years, and have had obvious benefits.
But you need to find the right amount for the situation --
too much of a good thing is as bad as too little. With
the Quantum Auto Clear, it has an adjustable dial so you
can turn down/up the strength. For the Springlife Polarizer,
you can place it closer/further from you in the car to
adjust the strength.

Marc

>> LessEMF sells an anti static mat for the car seat.
> Oh, wish I had seen this before I ordered the Auto-Clear!

An anti-static mat may help you with a buildup of static
electricity in your body, but it's not going to help
you with a lot of the negative reactions that you may be
experiencing from your dashboard or nearby powerlines or
cellphone towers (the AutoClear should help with these).

Another way of dealing with the buildup of static electricity
is to buy shoes with conductive soles. I wear such shoes
(made by Red Wing shoes in the USA), and all my problems
with shocks (both in the car and at work) go away when
wearing these (and come right back if I wear different
shoes)

Marc

Oh. I feel relieved. I thought you meant that they might have negative
effects. I made sure that it has a full refund policy before buying it.

I do have the same suspicion as you but I am open to trying it. I
bought the EarthCalm home plugin and used it for 3 months last year. I
felt no noticeable effect. I removed it before the 90 days to get my
refund and promptly got a headache. I tried again the next day and
same thing happened, so I kept it...also, I have felt positive effects
from Boji stones and I have other friends who swear by them...I think
it doesn't hurt to try things, as long as you can get your money back
if they have no effect. Thanks for your email! Julie


--- In [hidden email], "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote:
>
> It is my suspicion that all these pendants and gizmos are just snake
oil.
> I know people who have measured fields and seen no changes with these
> things. Some might disperse magnetic fields slightly.

Interesting Marc, thanks a lot!!
Julie

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

> Oh. I feel relieved. I thought you meant that they might have negative
> effects. I made sure that it has a full refund policy before buying it.

I personally have experienced negative side effects from several
EMF protection devices. Some of them occur quite quickly (within
minutes), and are quite strong. But I'm sure this varies by the
person, and perhaps these same devices have benefits for others.

> I do have the same suspicion as you but I am open to trying it. I
> bought the EarthCalm home plugin and used it for 3 months last year. I
> felt no noticeable effect. I removed it before the 90 days to get my
> refund and promptly got a headache.

Have you tried the Earthcalm pendant? That is another thing that you
could use in the car. In my experience, the pendant is stronger (more
noticeable) than the Earthcalm plugin units. However, I found the
energy of both to be a bit "oppressive", so I decided against using
them longterm.

Marc

I think Bill's point is more that the proposed explanation in terms of
quantum effects is dubious. In other words, the people who make them don't
really know how they work, and have dressed it up in a lot of clever
sounding words.
 
Now that doesn't mean the pendants don't work - as you say, plenty of people
on this site have testified that they seem to have some effect. I just wish
that some distributors would be more honest about admitting they don't
really know how they work - or at least not dressing it up in
pseudo-scientific jargon. That just provides ammunition for the "quackwatch"
lobby and makes it look like snake oil, even when it isn't.
 
One of our friends is a physicist and looked at the claims of a similar
device and demolished the explanation given (showing for example that
claimed references to real scientific papers were taken totally out of
context). Unfortunately, the result of this was that he became deeply
sceptical of ES as a whole, and threw the baby out with the bathwater. It's
a great pity as he could really have helped us in sorting out the wheat from
the chaff with the underlying science.
 
Ian

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc
Martin
Sent: 22 October 2007 18:03
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF protection devices for cars



> Oh, wish I had seen this before I ordered the Auto-Clear! What do you
> mean 'unknown quantum effects'???

That means Bill doesn't know what they do, and since he thinks they
are all a scam, he hasn't bothered to investigate further.

However, if one reviews the messages on this group, you will find
several people who have gotten various amounts of relief using
various "gizmos", so perhaps they are worth more than Bill is
giving them credit for...

Marc


 


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> I think Bill's point is more that the proposed explanation in terms of
> quantum effects is dubious. In other words, the people who make them
> don't really know how they work, and have dressed it up in a lot of clever
> sounding words.

Yes, I think that in many cases, the people who invent these products
are different than the people who market them. Probably if you asked
the inventor, you might get a more reasonable explanation, including
that perhaps they don't really know how it works, just that it does.
The marketing folks probably don't see that as a way to successfully
sell products, so they probably just make stuff up.

I know that I wouldn't want to be in the business of making EMF
protection devices -- first you have the 90% of the population
who doesn't believe that EMF is a problem, then you have the
10% who believe it's a problem but that the whole category
of EMF protection devices is a scam. It would seem that there
is essentially zero market for such products (other than
a few people here on this group!)

Marc

Hi all, I actually experience great results from a grounding sheet
(anti-static material) on my bed for close by powerline problems.
I can even tell now from in my bed, when the earth around the
grounding rod is not moist enough due to my reactions.
By the way, where can get the Red Wing shoes from Marc?
Helen- Oz


On 10/23/07, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

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