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> The 8's (bent in a special way) were made of electricity wire and
> they hung on copper nails in small standing pieces of wood. Ahh, so these are different than the green 8 stickers.... Although it sounds like whatever principle they use may be similar. Marc |
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8's (bent in a special way) are normally used by people who use pendulums,
and are intended to eliminate the negative workings of earth beams, which are magnetic DC fields. In my opinion it is a waste of money. They certainly do nothing against high frequency radiation. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "franspppp" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 17:15 Subject: [eSens] Re: Beliefs > > > The 8's (bent in a special way) were made of electricity wire and > they hung on copper nails in small standing pieces of wood. A dowser > with a pendulum placed them in our appartment. He also draw an 8 by > pencil on a white paper sticker and put it on a laptop. Also I took > an 8 in a carton box to my office and one in my car (it is still > there, I believe). This should take away (part of) the radiation. I > don't know if it works, he used the pendulum to ask how big and where > the 8's should be and he used the pendulum again to check and he said > they worked. My symptoms did not become less. It was expensive and it > did ruin my CD-player, probably because he hammered a copper nail in > the wood of the cupboard :-( > > --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote: > > > protection, I had special protection stickers and now I try > crystall > > > and anti-esmog stickers. And much more (light, small 8's, ..). > So, > > > you can't say I try nothing. Probably now you will say I tried > all > > > the wrong things .... > > > > From your previous comments, I wouldn't have expected that you had > > tried so many things. Sorry about that -- I stand corrected! But > > thanks for listing the things that did not help you -- it's good > > information to know both what does and what does not help people. > > > > And I also had similarly bad luck -- I tried hundreds of things, > > but only a handful of things were a significant help. That's > > why I created this list -- if people start with the things that > > helped others, then they may not have to waste as much time and > > money searching for solutions. There are no guarantees of > > course, but I see that in at least a few cases we've had some > > successes with people trying out list suggestions. > > > > I have never tried the "green 8" stickers, so I'd be interested > > in hearing if they help you or not. > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > |
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These 'green 8' stickers are new to me, maybe the idea is the same. The 'green 8' is tested by electro-acupuncture, like the 8's in our appartment were tested by dowsing with a pendulum. You have to believe, since these instruments are not to be understood. --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote: > > I have never tried the "green 8" stickers, so I'd be interested > > in hearing if they help you or not. > > Oh, and anyone else, if you've tried the "green 8" stickers, > did they help or not? > > Here is a link to what I'm talking about: > > http://futuretechtoday.com/green8/green8.htm > > Marc |
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> These 'green 8' stickers are new to me, maybe the idea is the same.
> The 'green 8' is tested by electro-acupuncture, like the 8's in our > appartment were tested by dowsing with a pendulum. You have to > believe, since these instruments are not to be understood. By the way, there is a whole line of these "Green 8" products: http://www.radiationprotector.com/product.htm But again, I have not tried these, nor have encountered anyone else who has. Marc |
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>And I did not mention positive thinking neither; in my view cognitive
>therapy and positive thinking are very helpful indeed; but it is not >possible to force your body into well being. I have a friend who is a monk who walked for 6 months through the icy mountains of the himilayas from Tibet to India in the winter, with only a pair of running shoes with holes in it and no socks, and very minimal food rations. Most humans would have had frostbite and died within a few days. He came out alive with no frostbite. When questioned how he did it, he used heat yogi, and a series of other buddhist mantras to keep his body from freezing, and from starvation. This story has recently been released in an adventure movie "Call it Karma" (www.callitkarmathemovie.com). To me, this is a great example of mind over matter, and I do believe we can guide (not force) our body to healing through positive thoughts. It is definitely not easy, and takes years of practice to get to a level of mind control like that monk, but it is possible. I wouldn't blame anyone for not reducing their EMF sensitivity by not doing a, b, c, etc.. But their mind definitely contributes to the position they are in. They could choose to live out in the forest somewhere where there is limited EMF. It may not be practicle, but it is a choice. There are always choices. Glenn |
There is this book from Lynne McTaggart, called *The Field*.
Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Coleman" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 20:57 Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Beliefs - Call it Karma > > >And I did not mention positive thinking neither; in my view cognitive > >therapy and positive thinking are very helpful indeed; but it is not > >possible to force your body into well being. > > I have a friend who is a monk who walked for 6 months through the icy > mountains of the himilayas from Tibet to India in the winter, with only a > pair of running shoes with holes in it and no socks, and very minimal food > rations. Most humans would have had frostbite and died within a few days. > > He came out alive with no frostbite. When questioned how he did it, he > heat yogi, and a series of other buddhist mantras to keep his body from > freezing, and from starvation. > > This story has recently been released in an adventure movie "Call it Karma" > (www.callitkarmathemovie.com). > > To me, this is a great example of mind over matter, and I do believe we can > guide (not force) our body to healing through positive thoughts. It is > definitely not easy, and takes years of practice to get to a level of mind > control like that monk, but it is possible. > > I wouldn't blame anyone for not reducing their EMF sensitivity by not doing > a, b, c, etc.. But their mind definitely contributes to the position they > are in. They could choose to live out in the forest somewhere where there > is limited EMF. It may not be practicle, but it is a choice. There are > always choices. > > Glenn > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > |
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What ones of these products have you used & which ones do you feel have been most effective? On a scale of 1 to 10 how effective do you think they are? Have you used the Quantum companion? Is it more or less effective than a springlife polorizer? Also, did you have any difficulty adjusting to any of these or feel that the effects wore off after a while or anything? The only thing I have now is a springlife polarizer & it really doesn't do that much for me any more. Thanks. John M.----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Beliefs > I don't believe much in the theories of detoxing, chelation, diets Be careful what you don't believe in... it may prevent you from becoming well again! I remember back in early 2001, when I first read about a piece of software that could help one improve their tolerance to EMF. I didn't believe it. So I spent the next several months on medical disability from work, until I met someone who recommended this company's products (Quantum Products) to me. So I tried these products, and amazingly they worked. Even the piece of software which I didn't believe in worked! And I was able to return to work part-time almost immediately. If I had only been more open-minded in the first place, I could have saved myself months of being on medical disability.... Marc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> What ones of these products have you used & which ones do you feel
> have been most effective? I've used the following Quantum Products: - quantum byte software - quantum companion (pager-sized) - quantum monitor (in between the computer & monitor) - power strip (6 outlet) - mini-max (3 outlet power plugin) - auto-clear (for the car) - Quantum Pro (larger radius & stronger than the Quantum Home) For me, the quantum companion was very weak -- almost useless. The quantum byte is fairly weak as well, although I found it useful for the computer monitor. The quantum monitor is a hardware equivalent to the quantum byte, but I found it to be maybe twice as strong. The auto clear seemed pretty weak -- I noticed it at first, but not for much longer. The mini max and power strip are both a lot stronger than the companion is, and the Quantum Pro is a lot stronger than the power strips. I never found any Quantum Product which was a *complete* solution to my sensitivities, although when combined with other things I could come up with solutions which were as good as I needed. For example, for the past several months, I've used a combination of a Springlife OM pendant and a Quantum power strip for using the computer. I own stronger models of both product lines, but found that stronger is not necessarily better. For me, it seems that I function best when I have "just enough" to counter the EMF, and no more. > Have you used the Quantum companion? Is it more or less effective than > a springlife polorizer? For me, the springlife OM pendant is far more effective than the quantum companion. Much cheaper, too. > Also, did you have any difficulty adjusting to any of these or feel > that the effects wore off after a while or anything? In the beginning, when I first used 2 quantum power strips at home, I had an initial surge of energy which lasted about a day, which then was followed by several days of "detox". Also, I spent months adjusting to the stronger Quantum Pro, which fortunately has an adjustable power setting. For a while, I discontinued use of the Quantum Products and tried to use just the Springlife polarizers. However, after several months passed, I started finding myself needing the Quantum's again, although just the power strips at the computer seems sufficient for me now. > The only thing I have now is a springlife polarizer & it really doesn't > do that much for me any more. Do you have one of the smaller pendants? The larger Springlife models are much stronger than the pendants. But again, I haven't found either the quantums or springlifes by themselves to be a complete solution. It seems that one product line makes up for the deficiencies of the other, and that used together they work pretty well. Marc |
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Hi Charles,
I assume you mean canopies that do not make a complete enclosure? If there are significant sources of electric field in the immediate environment, then grounding can actually increase body voltage. Remember that for most common circumstances, electric field can be thought of as volts above ground divided by distance to ground. If you shorten the distance to ground, you increase this ratio. If instead, you make a complete enclosure of conductive material (with no source of electric field inside the enclosure), the potential (voltage) at all points on the enclosure is the same (because it is conductive). The field inside is therefore zero at all points. The Faraday Canopy at http://www.lessemf.com/personal.html#200 is designed to make such a complete enclosure. Emil At 10:18 PM 1/11/2005, you wrote: >Hello, > >I also consider sleeping on a grounded matress not a good idea. > >It raises the body tension, because the potential diffenerence is not in >order. > >The same idea goes for canopies. >They also raise the body tension. > >Greetings, >Charles Claessens >member Verband Baubiologie >www.milieuziektes.nl >www.hetbitje.nl >checked by Norton Antivirus > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "franspppp" <[hidden email]> >To: <[hidden email]> >Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 22:12 >Subject: [eSens] Re: Springlife Polarizer > > > > > > > > As far as I have information, grounded matress to sleep on is not a > > good idea at all. To ground youurself, maybe, I used it when I had > > vibrations (movements) in my body, they disappeared, but one time the > > current was strong and I got a scar from the heat (it is one of the > > few objective things related to e.m.-fields and the current they > > induce). If you lie down on a grounded matress you will attract extra > > low frequency V/m. I myself consider it to be an extra antenna in > > which currents are induced (don't know if this is true. Somehow it > > seems everything is loaded by radiofrequent radiation). Nevertheless, > > tell me, did it help you to sleep on a grounded matress? I don't > > believe much in the theories of detoxing, chelation, diets etcetera, > > maybe there is something in parameters of the radiation that > > scientists are not aware of yet (maybe a longitudinal movement, maybe > > quantum physics, I don't know). I think so because generally there is > > a correlation between unwellness and level of radiofrequency > > radiation, but it is not absolute, there must be more parameters of > > body and environment. Normally, a body is able to keep homeostasis > > (balance) by removing or making harmless overdoses of all kinds of > > stuff. I think the real problem is the currents inducted (distorting > > your nerve systems and distorting cell functions), the double DNA > > breaks and possibly more, also not yet understood interferences. > > Remember, the present radiofrequent radiation is far, far more than > > the natural background and much of the radiation is of pulsed and > > modulated types that does not even exist in nature. Of course our > > bodies try to keep homeostasis and the bodies of many people succeed > > reasonably, but not everybody (e.g. children are in danger, see the > > news today, Sir William Stewart again, but other groups with some > > defects or weakness are in danger also, like us). This is my idea so > > far, wish it is more or less helpful. Frans. > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "Cara" <cara_evangelista@h...> wrote: > > > > > > To those who have used the Springlife Polarizer, a question: Did > > you > > > experience an increase or return of your ES symptoms when you first > > > started using your Polarizer? > > > > > > My husband started wearing his Polarizer last night. What he > > noticed > > > immediately was a sensation of "heat" and "pressure" from the > > device, > > > which he wore close to his neck. No immediate noticeable effect on > > > his ES symptoms, positive or negative. For the heck of it, I asked > > > him whether he felt intuitively that the Polarizer was a "good" > > thing > > > for him, and he said yes. > > > > > > Very early this morning he was awakened by extreme pain of the kind > > > we associate with ES. FYI, he has not had pain at this high level > > > since we first started our shielding/grounding efforts. We are > > > wondering: > > > > > > 1. Is the pain resurgence related to the Polarizer? > > > 2. Is the pain a "detox" reaction? If it is, should be attempt to > > > moderate this effect, maybe by keeping the device further away from > > > him until he builds a tolerance to it? > > > 3. Is the pain an indication that the Polarizer is not helping > > > relieve ES symptoms in our case? > > > > > > I should add that we have had stormy weather here recently and we > > are > > > also considering the possibility that our "grounded" sleeping area > > > has been compromised by altered/increased electrical charge in the > > > earth where we live. This speculation is supported somewhat by the > > > fact that my husband experienced some relief when he disconnected > > his > > > grounded wrist strap and left the grounded mattress to go lie on > > the > > > couch instead. But, again, when this much pain is involved we don't > > > always trust subjective experience/perception. > > > > > > Your thoughts/feedback would be appreciated. Thanks. > > > > > > Cara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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