Smart meter question - need answer

I just was searching through the archives, I'm sure it's here, but not finding it.

Power co. was just here and wanted to switch out my meter, which I didn't allow. They said it was not a smart meter, it just transmits
back and forth ? every couple minutes or so.

Anyway, I asked what it was called; TWAC, which is familiar, but I can't recall on it, he also said Aclara, so I could look things up.

What I see so far online is yes, they are smart meters, radio frequency or not, anyone here know?

Thanks,
~ Snoshoe

Any digital  meter that transmits RF radio frequency back & forth every few seconds  is a smart meter.

I bet the technician was wearing  face shielding protection.

Google those.

Kathy


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      I just was searching through the archives, I'm sure it's here, but not finding it.



Power co. was just here and wanted to switch out my meter, which I didn't allow. They said it was not a smart meter, it just transmits

back and forth ? every couple minutes or so.



Anyway, I asked what it was called; TWAC, which is familiar, but I can't recall on it, he also said Aclara, so I could look things up.



What I see so far online is yes, they are smart meters, radio frequency or not, anyone here know?



Thanks,

~ Snoshoe





   
     

   
   






 










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> Any digital  meter that transmits RF radio frequency back & forth every few seconds  is a smart meter.

Yes, but what wasn't clear to me was whether this meter in question uses
wireless RF transmissions to transmit data, or whether the communication
takes place over the power lines?

Marc

According to this guy, he said it doesn't use RF, so would go over power lines, but I don't think that matters, if is using those frequencies, since they show it affects the powerlines of everyone else on the line.

He wasn't wearing any face shielding, if he had any for changing it I don't know, but I doubt it.  

The power co. last year said they were putting in smart meters in certain areas, but it was voluntary, so they were calling them smart meters then.

I want to get it solid in my mind on this, before I call them.
Been looking some more and as it is definitely part of the smart grid, so I would guess it would have to be a smart meter, but I'm not certain.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > Any digital  meter that transmits RF radio frequency back & forth every few seconds  is a smart meter.
>
> Yes, but what wasn't clear to me was whether this meter in question uses
> wireless RF transmissions to transmit data, or whether the communication
> takes place over the power lines?
>
> Marc
>

I normally turn off all possible breakers at night, and sometimes
the main switch for a while anyway.

If a smart meter is on, and you turn the main switch totally off (here there is a generac switch so a generator could be used if I
had one I could use,) how much would still come through, has anyone
been able to meter this? I would guess it would still be sending out those pulses up to the box, even if it didn't send any back.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@...> wrote:

> According to this guy, he said it doesn't use RF, so would go over power lines,
> but I don't think that matters, if is using those frequencies

It's probably not using those frequencies, if it's going over the power lines.

So far people here have been reporting problems with wireless meters,
not the ones that communicate over the power lines.

Marc

Here's what I found from their site, so it sounds like TWAC is smart meter of some type, and will be a problem with the extra pulsing, besides that they are broadcasting-
"A TWACS meter is capable of two-way communication with FEC. The meter will be configured to respond to power line FEC based communications broadcast messages. The meters will also collect and transmit data back to the FEC system."
Why do I have to have internet to use the Smart appliances?
The internet connection allows the Home Energy Gateway to "talk" to the appliances so the appliances can appropriately respond to peak time demands and scheduled periods of use. This keeps freezing up

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

   That is a  good question, but turning off the main breaker would also turn off my furnace wouldn't it? I live in Ottawa, Ontario in Canada and it beginning to get pretty cold here with temperatures of 55F durring the day and 10 degrees  lower at night.

 Plus I have Multiple Chemical Sensitivities so have a whole house air filtration unit which uses the fan on the furnace 24 hours a day...

    As  it is the hydro company has threatened to turn off my electricity if I sheild the smart  meter........ though I am not far from sheilding it aways as it the effects seem to be accummulative........

       blessings
             Shan

--- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@...> wrote:

  They do  not use the power lines - they transmit strong radio frequencies  for 20 ft to 2 miles - all around the meter. The smart meters pass the data to other smart meters which pass the data to a special smart meter on each block which in turn transmits the data to the hydro company. As least that is my understanding  from the studies I have been reading....

          blessings
              Shan

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

Found it. TWAC is a smart meter:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/VLF_Group/message/18279
Has picture too.

Thanks for the input.

~ Snoshoe


--- In [hidden email], "Shan" <bestsurprise2002@...> wrote:

Sorry you are all electric Shan,
I found this page in my surfing today too. There are
several pages of pictures of ways to protect your meter, that
may be useful for you.
http://stopsmartmeters.org/2011/10/05/defend-your-analog-meter-part-v/

I don't know about Canada, but I would guess it is similar to here, and that is Not, illegal for you to shield, or as above, lock up your meter as long as they can read it. - I saw some vids. one showing using 3ft. square of aluminum screening shields it well on that side, but you really need it all around.

Can you contact Health Canada? Since they are recommending up to 18yr. don't use cell phones, and smart meters emit far, far more radiation, maybe they can be some kind of help to you, or tell you at least what is truly legal, because the utility companies either don't know, or lie.  

If you have a medical condition I would be surprised that in Canada they would legally be allowed to shut your power off. YOU, are a CUSTOMER, THEY are suppose to be delivering a service for your money.
Good luck.

My gate will be locked when I go out until I have something like this in place. Easier than building a whole cage around the meter to lock up.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "Shan" <bestsurprise2002@...> wrote:

>   They do  not use the power lines - they transmit strong radio frequencies  for 20 ft to 2 miles

Well, SOME of these meter DO use the power lines, not wireless communication.

Not everyone has the same kind of meters.

Marc

   You are correct, there are many kind of meters - I was talking specifically about what are called "Smart" meters - these have been attached to in or outside of everyones' house/apartment/townhouse/etc bt Hydro companies mostly; though other kinds of utility companies have also started [more or less secretly] changing their meters to variations of the smart meters too.[such as gas meters for example]

  These hydro "smart" meters are wireless meters transmitting low  radiofrequences or microwave radiation.

       blessings
             Shan

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> >   They do  not use the power lines - they transmit strong radio frequencies  for 20 ft to 2 miles
>
> Well, SOME of these meter DO use the power lines, not wireless communication.
>
> Not everyone has the same kind of meters.
>
> Marc
>

    Thank you Snoshoe.
            blessings
                  Shan

--- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@...> wrote:

Because I was not informed, I allowed my water dept to install a Neptune E-coder IN my home!  Two years (and much research later), I requested that the meter be removed and an older model be installed.  I have the analog meter in the basement, yes - but the unit that is on the back of my house pulses high on the Cornet smog meter I purchased.  Every 6-10 seconds or so.

Along with the meter reading unit outside peaking elect. attached to the house - those bedroom walls that are against the back of the house with the new meter reading unit also spike.  I have called the water dept and there have been no return calls.

I would like to now have a person come to read the meter instead of the spiking thing on the house, but I am not sure it will happen.  

I have decreased the amount of elec (as much as I can) inside my home.  NONE in bedrooms - switched out metal bed frames/mattresses, no computers, no tv, no cordless phones, no elec radio/alarms, etc.  

Wifi is being worked on.  FOR I HAVE NO IDEA what to do about that one.  But the wifi router downstairs keeps the smog reader in the red continuously.  Or when just standing by the back door * equipment is located directly below the back door, I tried to unplug it and the backup battery came on! It's awful.  I need to call at&t.  

When we first purchased the house the main electrical wires were on shorter version wood poles somewhat covered by huge trees.  That all changed when some HUMONGOUS tall (200ft) white metal monsters were put in place (approx three blocks over) towering higher than any tree could.  NOT GOOD.

I give up on trying to live here (Can't even begin to guess where the over 300 cell towers/antennas are - but they are within a four mile radius of my home, thanks to a map I found online).   I am moving.  As soon as possible.  I give up.  None of my neighbors care.  Almost as if SOME of those towers are controlling their minds (ok, it's a stretch - maybe its the fluoride in the water).  But I have had enough.  :)  

Hi, Rhubarb,

For whatever reason, your email of Oct 19th was just deposited in my inbox today.  [Has anyone but me noticed new and improved Yahoo has obvious flaws???]  Anyway, before you move, (which may be the best option), try taking out your wifi router and replacing it with an older version modem box, which connects to the computer via ethernet cables.  Can you remove the router battery?  (Otherwise, shoot it with your hunting rifle and get the satisfaction of killing it.  lol  j/k)  If you have any tech support, you can call them and ask for help doing this, but if not, it really isn't that hard, except for getting the phone company to send you the correct version of the modem box.  You might ask to talk to a phone company techie about it.  Tell him you want hardwired ethernet DSL.


I also originally had the Neptune water meter you mention.  When I asked it be changed, they instead put in a newer version smart meter, which I insisted had to go below ground.  They did that and it works for me.  Also read the email I sent to the forum earlier today on smart meter fixes.  Perhaps something mentioned will help the situation. 


Those new poles are awful.  I heard on the local news that they were put in a neighborhood in Pittsburgh and all the residents there were complaining.  Some were only 20' away from peoples' homes.  From the news article, it sounds like these new huge metal poles are the way of the future--they are being touted as "green"--no forests are harmed in the making.  <rolling eyes>  I loved what you said about the mind control.  lololol  Yes, if one thing doesn't get them, another is bound to,  re fluoride. 


Diane



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Because I was not informed, I allowed my water dept to install a Neptune E-coder IN my home!  Two years (and much research later), I requested that the meter be removed and an older model be installed.  I have the analog meter in the basement, yes - but the unit that is on the back of my house pulses high on the Cornet smog meter I purchased.  Every 6-10 seconds or so.

Along with the meter reading unit outside peaking elect. attached to the house - those bedroom walls that are against the back of the house with the new meter reading unit also spike.  I have called the water dept and there have been no return calls.

I would like to now have a person come to read the meter instead of the spiking thing on the house, but I am not sure it will happen. 

I have decreased the amount of elec (as much as I can) inside my home.  NONE in bedrooms - switched out metal bed frames/mattresses, no computers, no tv, no cordless phones, no elec radio/alarms, etc. 

Wifi is being worked on.  FOR I HAVE NO IDEA what to do about that one.  But the wifi router downstairs keeps the smog reader in the red continuously.  Or when just standing by the back door * equipment is located directly below the back door, I tried to unplug it and the backup battery came on! It's awful.  I need to call at&t. 

When we first purchased the house the main electrical wires were on shorter version wood poles somewhat covered by huge trees.  That all changed when some HUMONGOUS tall (200ft) white metal monsters were put in place (approx three blocks over) towering higher than any tree could.  NOT GOOD.

I give up on trying to live here (Can't even begin to guess where the over 300 cell towers/antennas are - but they are within a four mile radius of my home, thanks to a map I found online).   I am moving.  As soon as possible.  I give up.  None of my neighbors care.  Almost as if SOME of those towers are controlling their minds (ok, it's a stretch - maybe its the fluoride in the water).  But I have had enough.  :) 



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Doesn't this stuff just suck! lol.

Well, if it were me and I wanted the water meter changed, and after
getting no replies this is what I would do:

Call service provider and say; "I've called x times and no one has bothered to take care of this. You have (length of time you estimate it would take worker to arrive at your place) minutes to get someone over here and replace this meter with an analog one, or I will rip it off myself!" (It really shouldn't be hard.)
I would think you might get someone on the ball then.

~ Snoshoe


--- In [hidden email], "rubarb78@..." <rubarb78@...> wrote:

>
> Because I was not informed, I allowed my water dept to install a Neptune E-coder IN my home!  Two years (and much research later), I requested that the meter be removed and an older model be installed.  I have the analog meter in the basement, yes - but the unit that is on the back of my house pulses high on the Cornet smog meter I purchased.  Every 6-10 seconds or so.
>
> Along with the meter reading unit outside peaking elect. attached to the house - those bedroom walls that are against the back of the house with the new meter reading unit also spike.  I have called the water dept and there have been no return calls.
>

Hi,
You write:
 
Almost as if SOME of those towers are controlling their minds (ok, it's a stretch - maybe its the fluoride in the water). But I have had enough. :)
No, actually its not a stretch. Between the fluoride that shuts down the thyroid and the towers...which operate on the same frequencies as the human brain does-
this energy effects the pineal gland. Why is this important? Here's the analogy I use. The thyroid is the elevator to the brain, and the pineal gland is the highway
to higher consciousness. Take those two glands out and what's left? Zombie people!
Lizzie

 



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Because I was not informed, I allowed my water dept to install a Neptune E-coder IN my home! Two years (and much research later), I requested that the meter be removed and an older model be installed. I have the analog meter in the basement, yes - but the unit that is on the back of my house pulses high on the Cornet smog meter I purchased. Every 6-10 seconds or so.

Along with the meter reading unit outside peaking elect. attached to the house - those bedroom walls that are against the back of the house with the new meter reading unit also spike. I have called the water dept and there have been no return calls.

I would like to now have a person come to read the meter instead of the spiking thing on the house, but I am not sure it will happen.

I have decreased the amount of elec (as much as I can) inside my home. NONE in bedrooms - switched out metal bed frames/mattresses, no computers, no tv, no cordless phones, no elec radio/alarms, etc.

Wifi is being worked on. FOR I HAVE NO IDEA what to do about that one. But the wifi router downstairs keeps the smog reader in the red continuously. Or when just standing by the back door * equipment is located directly below the back door, I tried to unplug it and the backup battery came on! It's awful. I need to call at&t.

When we first purchased the house the main electrical wires were on shorter version wood poles somewhat covered by huge trees. That all changed when some HUMONGOUS tall (200ft) white metal monsters were put in place (approx three blocks over) towering higher than any tree could. NOT GOOD.

I give up on trying to live here (Can't even begin to guess where the over 300 cell towers/antennas are - but they are within a four mile radius of my home, thanks to a map I found online). I am moving. As soon as possible. I give up. None of my neighbors care. Almost as if SOME of those towers are controlling their minds (ok, it's a stretch - maybe its the fluoride in the water). But I have had enough. :)




     

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