Smart Meter removal

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> That is great that you got an opt out for your Smart Meter, but the other 3 meters OUTSIDE OF YOUR BEDROOM, are going to be a problem.  If I were you, I would move!  No apartment is worth killing yourself over.  At the very least, can you try to move to another unit in the building away from the meters, or can you put up sheilding on the wall and floor?  What floor is your unit on and where in proximity to your unit are the meters located?  That will make a difference in how and if you can shield yourself to some extent.  YIKES!!!
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> C. Johnson
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> Wireless Refugee
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> Subject: [eSens] Smart Meter removal
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>       We received approval to opt out of smart meters. Problem is I live in an apt. building which has 4 meters outside my bedroom. I can get mine replaced with analogue for $75 plus there will be a monthly charge of $10/month.
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> Personally, I would flee from that building or at the very least from that unit,  3 Smart Meters in such close proximity to your apartment is like having a Cell Phone Tower in your apartment or worse,  But as we all so painfully know, it is getting hard to find someplace to flee to.
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> If you insist on staying in that unit, I think you should relocate your sleeping area to the other side of the apartment as far away from the Smart Meters as possible.  AND, if you do not have a microwave meter, I think you should get one so you will know where to put up the shiedling material that you should be buying to install in the bedroom and bathroom.  Maybe you should consider using sheet metal, hardware screen, or some other material.  After a year and a half, I am still trying to figure out how to shield my bathroom from microwaves penetrating through the shower walls.  I have sheilding material up over the shower curtain, but, as it is, I am getting beamed whenever I step inside to take a shower. 
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> Unfortunately, i am afraid after considerable expense and time trying to shield yourself, you will find the radiation still penetrating into your apartment through this way and that.  The money you are going to be spending to protect yourself from this hazardous radiation is going to continue to escalate, making it debatable if staying in that apartment is actually worth it.,  When your health starts to suffer, there will be more expenses of every imaginable kind. 
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> If when you were filling out your Rental Agreement they asked you to put down a $10,000 to $20,000 US non refundable deposit, you probably would not have signed the agreement.  Well, by staying there, you are signing that agreement. 
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> I cannot sleep in my bedroom in an apartment that I am paying plenty for, because the Cell Tower radiation penetrating the walls is so bad.  I have totally enveloped the entire bedroom in grounded hardware screen, except the ceiling and floor, which has cut down the levels considerably but I still end up sleeping on the floor in another part of the apartment.  I wouldn't say I am getting my money's worth when I can't even sleep in my own bedroom.  Somebody is ripping us all off, namely the cell phone companies and the power companies who are invading our air space with their Death Rays.  They are making plenty of money, as we spend money trying to protect ourselves.  After a grueling week of making grounding cords, I finally had to hire someone to help me put grounding plugs and alligator clips on over 200 feet of cords I have all strewn over my apartment.  And I still have 1 room and hallway left to shield if I am going to stay here.  And those
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> --- On Thu, 4/26/12, torch369 <torch369@...> wrote:
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> From: torch369 <torch369@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Smart Meter removal
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> Date: Thursday, April 26, 2012, 6:58 PM
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>       I have a wood floor and I'm on the second floor. The Meters are on the first floor almost directly under my bathroom. My bedroom is about 6 feet away from there.
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> I just went to http://stopsmartmeters.org/ to check up on the latest.  
> It looks like the fees are illegal.  Scroll down the page to the  
> article:  CPUC: PG&E Smart Meter Opt Out Fees "Suspended" Utility  
> Lacks Authority to Force Smart Meters or Charge Fees to Keep Analog  
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> Can you get the other tenants in your building to opt-out, too?  I  
> know how hard it is to convince anyone that smart meters are  
> hazardous, especially if they think they will have to pay to keep the  
> analog or get an already installed one replaced.  I'm dealing with  
> that in my neighborhood, and it's most discouraging.  People who  
> aren't yet affected by ES just don't believe RF is harmful.  My  
> neighbor across the street doesn't even believe smart meter RF will go  
> into his house. I asked him if he could get cell phone reception  
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> meters--but he didn't believe me.  Aack!
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> > We received approval to opt out of smart meters. Problem is I live  
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>Steve,
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>I just went to http://stopsmartmeters.org/ to check up on the latest.  
>It looks like the fees are illegal.  Scroll down the page to the  
>article:  CPUC: PG&E Smart Meter Opt Out Fees “Suspended” Utility  
>Lacks Authority to Force Smart Meters or Charge Fees to Keep Analog  
>Meters
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>Can you get the other tenants in your building to opt-out, too?  I  
>know how hard it is to convince anyone that smart meters are  
>hazardous, especially if they think they will have to pay to keep the  
>analog or get an already installed one replaced.  I'm dealing with  
>that in my neighborhood, and it's most discouraging.  People who  
>aren't yet affected by ES just don't believe RF is harmful.  My  
>neighbor across the street doesn't even believe smart meter RF will go  
>into his house. I asked him if he could get cell phone reception  
>inside his house, and he said yes.  I said S.M. RF was the same--it  
>would go into his house from his S.M., and his neighbors' smart  
>meters--but he didn't believe me.  Aack!
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>> We received approval to opt out of smart meters. Problem is I live  
>> in an apt. building which has 4 meters outside my bedroom. I can get  
>> mine replaced with analogue for $75 plus there will be a monthly  
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>> I don't know if just removing one will help but I'm going to do it.
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> I was surprise to hear that you'd need to pay for it. Sheesh.
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> They can't feel it, but we can help them "hear" and "see" it by using a radiation meter. Cornet ED-7 is economical and effective enough in my experience. Turn the volume all the way up to hear it go EEEEEE.... It doesn't guarantee that they'll opt out. But it's pretty *impress*ive and makes them think about it.
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> >I just went to http://stopsmartmeters.org/ to check up on the latest.  
> >It looks like the fees are illegal.  Scroll down the page to the  
> >article:  CPUC: PG&E Smart Meter Opt Out Fees "Suspended" Utility  
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> >that in my neighborhood, and it's most discouraging.  People who  
> >aren't yet affected by ES just don't believe RF is harmful.  My  
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> >meters--but he didn't believe me.  Aack!
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> >> We received approval to opt out of smart meters. Problem is I live  
> >> in an apt. building which has 4 meters outside my bedroom. I can get  
> >> mine replaced with analogue for $75 plus there will be a monthly  
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> >> I don't know if just removing one will help but I'm going to do it.
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> I was surprise to hear that you'd need to pay for it. Sheesh.
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> They can't feel it, but we can help them "hear" and "see" it by using a radiation meter. Cornet ED-7 is economical and effective enough in my experience. Turn the volume all the way up to hear it go EEEEEE.... It doesn't guarantee that they'll opt out. But it's pretty *impress*ive and makes them think about it.
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> >I just went to http://stopsmartmeters.org/ to check up on the latest.  
> >It looks like the fees are illegal.  Scroll down the page to the  
> >article:  CPUC: PG&E Smart Meter Opt Out Fees "Suspended" Utility  
> >Lacks Authority to Force Smart Meters or Charge Fees to Keep Analog  
> >Meters
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> >Can you get the other tenants in your building to opt-out, too?  I  
> >know how hard it is to convince anyone that smart meters are  
> >hazardous, especially if they think they will have to pay to keep the  
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> >that in my neighborhood, and it's most discouraging.  People who  
> >aren't yet affected by ES just don't believe RF is harmful.  My  
> >neighbor across the street doesn't even believe smart meter RF will go  
> >into his house. I asked him if he could get cell phone reception  
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> >> We received approval to opt out of smart meters. Problem is I live  
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> Steve,
> Looks like you're getting a good handle on this situation.
> Have you checked out the latest stopsmartmeters.org ?
> The utility co's  want the people to think "they have all the power"....they DON'T!
> There's NO federal mandate for smart meters.
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> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:56:21 +0000
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Smart Meter removal
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>       I'm going to start with those 2 that I can remove and then wait and see if another option opens up for apt. dwellers.
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> As for the charges, unless SDGE is told otherwise they will charge and theres nothing I can do to force them to do otherwise. Unfortunately they have all the power.
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> I have a youtube site EMFWATCH that shows the levels of radiation being emitted from these smart meters for reference for those who are ES  and to show those who aren't even aware of the problem because they aren't ES yet what the difference between what the human body has been exposed to historically ( My campng and nature videos)  and what we are being exposed to by these man made devices. Pass on the site to others to learn from and maybe we ca get enough people to undo this nightmare. I'm especially concerned for those of us who are in housing complexes with banks of mart meters necessitating convincing dozens of people that this is a bad thing..
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> > >article:  CPUC: PG&E Smart Meter Opt Out Fees "Suspended" Utility  
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> > >know how hard it is to convince anyone that smart meters are  
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> > >that in my neighborhood, and it's most discouraging.  People who  
> > >aren't yet affected by ES just don't believe RF is harmful.  My  
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> > >inside his house, and he said yes.  I said S.M. RF was the same--it  
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> > >meters--but he didn't believe me.  Aack!
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> > >> We received approval to opt out of smart meters. Problem is I live  
> > >> in an apt. building which has 4 meters outside my bedroom. I can get  
> > >> mine replaced with analogue for $75 plus there will be a monthly  
> > >> charge of $10/month.
> > >> I don't know if just removing one will help but I'm going to do it.
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> They were counting on the public not knowing the truth.
> did you check out the stopsmartmeters.org?
> Lots of info there, another excellent site is: www.W4AR.com, click on smart meters on the left.
> Here in Michigan, the utility company has had their representatives at city hall meetings and
> we have them on video, answering the question: "Are smart meters mandatory?"
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> the workers are telling the customers its the law. Unless the customer has been educated
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> smart meters are to be an "opt in" thing, the customer is to request them.
> It may take me a bit to find this article, but it is a legal document.
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