Sleeping Better

Hi, Charles,
 
Okay, I will bite--why is bread not okay to eat?
 
I agree with you that gluten-free is not an ES solution on it's own.  It might be *part* of an ES solution, however, if you are one of the 7% (or more) who have genes for gluten intolerance and it is messing with your tightjunctions and immune system.  If removing metals were the only solution,then *ALL* of those who have done that would be totally well, but we have not seen that that is the case.  (Also, there would not be people coming down with ES from pesticide and mold exposures.) 
 
However, I agree with you that removing heavy metals from your body is a good place to start as long as your body is already prepared for detoxing, and you have a competent dentist to remove fillings, and another reliable wayto remove residual metals.  Otherwise, people will get very ill from afootbath over-mobilizing toxins.  It is not enough to mobilize toxins inyour body; people with ES often cannot get the toxins out fast enough before they resettle in other organs and fats.  Just because one or some can use a footbath to do this, it doesn't equate to this being universal.  However, *if* you personally know the correct amount of time for each ES person to use said footbath, you may have hit upon something. 
 
Do you have a set amount of time?  Perhaps your way of using the footbathis *just* the perfect time to remove toxins at *just* a slow enough rate as for the body to not mobilize too much?  But if this were the case, you would then have to have a different length of time for each person to usethis footbath, since not all will detox in your alotted time frame.  (What was it, I have forgotten; a week or 2 weeks????)  Skeptical or not, weall want to be healed, but this isn't making logical sense to my mind.  If you can enlighten me with how it is each person is able to accomplish this in the same frame of time, I am game.  (But understand I went for bonemarrow detoxing last year, it helped.  I *still* have to remain gf, because I have other issues which also interact with my ES.)
 
I love ya, Charles, even tho you are one of the crabbiest, argumentative people I have ever come across.  But I hope you are correct and it is all just that easy.  Hugs, (even tho I suspect you are not the hugging type.  lol)
 
Diane

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Gluten-free is not a solution.

You should stay away from bread altogether.
Use rice crackers as an example.

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LOL R,
 
Answering my own post to you.  I just remembered something I didn't write.  How long ago was it you went gf?  It is rather widely knownin celiac circles now that candida as well as bacterial infections become apparent about 9 months to a year into being gf.  (Timemay vary.)  It is called SIBO or SBBO--small intestine (or bowel) bacterial overgrowth.  I think I read that you were doing a candidadiet (good idea).  But you might also need to kill off bacteria. 
 
Good luck,
D
 


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Hi, R,
 
The psoriasis on your elbows that disappeared after going gf, is/was likelydermatitis herpetiformis (DH), not psoriasis.  I had the rash variousplaces, too, and it was impossible  to control prior to going gf.  Mentioning this to you also because of rye grass being so prevalent.  I had to reseed my entire lawn with Kentucky blue grass because I got asthma and weakness often when we cut our grass.  I later realized I was reacting to the gluten when the rye was kicked up in the air.  I also got a rash sometimes when I sat on the ground.  Be also very careful washing your beans--they often have barley or rye in them.  I had to quit eating beans because I reacted too often to them.  (Often they had pieces of glutens I would try to wash out, but perhaps too I have problems just digesting beans.)   Be especially careful (gf-wise) with broths--I can tolerate no canned broths I have tried long term.  It is like playing Russian roulette--one can
is fine, the next can is contaminated and I get sick, another brand I can go 4 or 5 cans, but the next batch of broth, I get sick.....  I finally quit buying broth and make my own.  Also, if you are having digestive problems, R,check out hygiene and cleaning products.  Odd but I have had problems sometimes with those.  Also, if you live with othersfor any amount of time (or even visit), you can then have problems with contamination there......  Lots of odd things can cause digestive problems when you are reactive to glutens.
 
Good call, tho, going gf and df; hope you find the source of your current digestive problem,
Diane

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From: R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 10:28 PM

 

Oh yes - I've been completely gluten free and dairy free (except butter) for at least a few years now.  I know it was a problem; the psoriasis I had on my elbows that appeared during lots of rye and cheese sandwiches with yeasty Belgian Ale disappeared after cutting out gluten and dairy.

No, whatever's going on right now may be related in part to some digestive damage from those days, but I'm looking at things differently now, including checking my adrenals, healing the gut, and eating a very un-candida diet;cutting out more hard to digest foods, like beans, other grains, etc.  This is a big overhaul/shift for me, and I'm aiming to go about it the right way.

Cheers,

R.

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I had a lot of digestive issues previously. They have improved significantly since I started eating gluten free. Have you ever tried a gluten free diet?

Good luck,

Jennie

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To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 10:12:31 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better

On the note of sleep, I've been undergoing a lot of stress and digestive issues lately, and have again looked for things to help me sleep more/better.I've tried Melatonin in the past with mixed results, though if it's helping you, or anyone, great!

I've been taking about 1.5 servings (teaspoons) of Natural Calm magnesium citrate powder before bed (naturally fruity flavored, naturally sweetened with Stevia); it fizzes and dissolves in hot water - and the hot water I've added it to is a tea made with a dried herb called Wild Lettuce.

It actually is a kind of lettuce, though it contains mild sedative compounds; it used to be called "opium lettuce", though it contains no opioids or anything related to poppies (or illegal!), due to it's use as a "feeble" opium or morphine replacement for pain, insomnia, coughing, etc., for patientswho couldn't tolerate actual opium, or for young children.

I've found that I fall asleep quite quickly, and sleep heavily; I may wake up once or twice but that's been usual for me for years. Mind you, I think that Wild Lettuce has a reputation for enhancing vividness of dreams - sureseems so in my case - and I do wake up feeling a bit dopey - but sometimesbeing able to sleep soundly is worth a couple of tradeoffs.

The magnesium helps relax the body in general, and I believe is antagonistic to adrenaline (it lessens its effect - if you're prone to racing heart, etc.).

Good luck!

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Subject: [eSens] Sleeping Better

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Received: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 4:38 AM

Greetings,

Someone just posted about sleeping so I thought I would send an update on my sleeping issues and what has helped. I had posted last summer a request for help with sleeping - and thanks for the response that were sent. Here isa recap of my story.

I've had EMS for a couple of year and last April a cell tower was placed a half mile from my home and "coincidental" I started having sleep problems. As it progressed I started having pains when I would lay on my mattress. I was averaging about 3 hours of sleep a night for about 5 months and even when I took a prescription sleep aid I would only sleep a couple of hours andwake up, wide awake and not able to get back to sleep. Many nights I did not sleep at all - at least once a week. Because of my MCS I knew I could not try a foam mattress. In August I purchased a Select Comfort mattress, andafter the off gassing of the new mattress at least when I laid in bed sleepless I was not in pain. The pain was from the metal springs in my regular mattress, Select Comfort mattress use air chambers.

In September I read that EMS can decrease the body's Melatonin production. Melatonin is part of the body's sleep cycle. I started taking Melatonin andthrough a couple of resources and by trial and error have found that taking 6 mg or Melatonin about 2 hours before I want to sleep works well for me.Before starting Melatonin you should read up on how much to take as a dose. 6mg is double the bottles recommended dose. I still do not sleep as much as I should/need (8-9 hour/night) but I usually get at least 7 hours of sleep/night. And if I don't take my meds I usually get a nap in during the day- the kicker is I have narcolepsy!

I have had a little more trouble sleeping for the past 10 nights or so, butthat is my own fault cause I've been watching the Olympics on TV and usually I only expose myself to the electromagnetic energy from TV during the tennis grand slam tournaments! !

I hope this helps, good luck,

Jennie

PS - Select Comfort has a program for no interest payment plans

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Hey Diane,

Yep, I have had issues with millet in the past, too; a pity, I always enjoyed fluffy, freshly cooked millet, but it gave me headaches sometimes - sorry if I already mentioned that.  So yeah, right now I'm grain-free.  Period.  I've had the fewest digestive problems thus far with lotson animal protein, ungarnished/dressing covered veggies, and fresh fruit.  I think beans and grains and to a lesser but definite extent, nuts and seeds, can be hard to digest for some (sorry if I mentioned that, too, I've been reading and typing so much about food lately I lost track!).

But yeah, thanks for mentioning that about the millet; it's been a staple in our house as long as I remember, but it looks like my food staples may bemaking a considerable shift.

BMROW? Yeah, great acronym, lol!

I'll have to tell my dad about millet.  I suspect he's got issues withgluten and maybe grains in general - my mom swears she's fine, and my dad's mother (my grandmother) is certifiably allergic to wheat, so if this is hereditary, I had to have gotten it from someone!

Take care,

R.

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Hi, R,

 

Another thing you may react to if you are eating it: millet.  Some gluten intolerants are intolerant of millet and oats.  People with cd aresupposed to only have problems with wheat, rye, and barley, (but also often react to gluten contaminations in oats).  People with full-spectrum gluten intolerance react to BMROW  (lol--can be an apt name): barley, millet, rye, oats, and wheat.  This is a nebulous territory tho. I have cd by biopsy but I still cannot tolerate oats or millet. 

 

I am totally sugar free/sweetener free otherwise, but I do eat yeast breads some with honey or molasses as the yeast feeder.  You can usually half the sweetener used in the recipe and the bread will rise as well andthere will be no sweetener left in the bread in its original form (it is "eaten" by the yeast).  I, like you, cannot eat yeast breads on-going all the time.  I eat yeast breads frugally.  I think I tried the one you mention--called for a dutch oven and a plastic 6 qt container to mix and store it in???  It was really good.  I liked.  Hada great crust which you usually don't get with a gf bread.  OKAY, offtopic yet again.  lol

 

Diane



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From: R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Gluten Free Diet

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 8:20 AM



 



Hey Loni,



I know it can be hard; you should've seen me when I first realized I had todo it.  "What? No more bread? No more BEER?!"



But it can be done.  I kind of look at it like, if something makes youfeel sick enough, enough times, you realize that it's a matter of choosingto feel awful, or choosing to feel better by avoiding it.  I did the same thing when I stopped...um. ..abusing certain substances in my late teen and early twenties; enough was enough.



And I've since eliminated, at least for the time being (and maybe long termif I find it does me great good), even more foods: dried fruits, honey, concentrated sugar, pretty much all grains (even gluten free ones), most nuts/seeds.. .all foods I enjoy, but there's clearly an imbalance that needs correcting, and right now it seems that my body is doing better without thesethings.



But if you're good with gluten free grains, go for them! I have tried some commercially available rice breads that are actually quite nice; some, especially those made with brown rice (more nutritious than white) can be a bitcrumbly, but not bad.  Other ones like millet or buckwheat or amaranth breads can be quite crumbly indeed, and have a robust flavor that takes some getting used to, though are high in nutrients and protein (for a bread,at least).



And of course you can get into cooking the whole grains (millet, quinoa, amaranth, buckwheat, sorghum, rice, etc.) and eating them that way - and if you're okay with fresh fruit, use more of that, and vegetables, for carbs.  Or eat more fat if you're fine with it, for caloric energy.



I know that giving up the chewy, sweet, fragrant satisfying sensation of wheat, or rye, or spelt, especially as bread, can be hard - but if you know it's bad for you, and bad for your guts, it's worth it.  Trust me, dealing with guts that are irritated or impaired can mean dealing with other symptoms that many wouldn't even consider to be a part of digestive health - they're a big part of our system and connected to other parts of us.  Better to give them a rest if you know you can. 



Consider it good that you know gluten causes you problems! Just think of how many people eat gluten, feel sick from it, and don't know why! You don't need full blown Celiac disease to have trouble with that particular grain protein.



Sorry about the length of this message; I'm surprised I can type this much about food on an empty stomach, fasting before a physical at the Doctor's...



I had a bread recipe (gluten free of course) bookmarked, entitled "Gluten Free Bread That Just Might Make You Cry [For Joy]"; sounds very tasty. Though, it does have yeast, eggs, honey and apple cider vinegar in it - ifyou're fine with these things, it might help you keep off gluten, 'cause it sounds really satisfying.



Here's the link:



http://glutenfreeba y.blogspot. com/2007/ 02/gluten- free-bread- that-just-might-make. html



Good luck!



R.



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I am trying do omitt dairy & gluten in the diet but gluten free is really really hard for me. I know it is key to feeling better for me. Any tips on how to stick with this?  Loni



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From: R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca>



Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better



To: eSens@yahoogroups. com



Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 8:28 PM



 



Oh yes - I've been completely gluten free and dairy free (except butter) for at least a few years now.  I know it was a problem; the psoriasis I had on my elbows that appeared during lots of rye and cheese sandwiches with yeasty Belgian Ale disappeared after cutting out gluten and dairy.



No, whatever's going on right now may be related in part to some digestive damage from those days, but I'm looking at things differently now, including checking my adrenals, healing the gut, and eating a very un-candida diet;cutting out more hard to digest foods, like beans, other grains, etc.  This is a big overhaul/shift for me, and I'm aiming to go about it the right way.



Cheers,



R.



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To: eSens@yahoogroups. com



Received: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 12:30 AM



 



I had a lot of digestive issues previously. They have improved significantly since I started eating gluten free. Have you ever tried a gluten free diet?



Good luck,



Jennie



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To: eSens@yahoogroups. com



Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 10:12:31 AM



Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better



On the note of sleep, I've been undergoing a lot of stress and digestive issues lately, and have again looked for things to help me sleep more/better.I've tried Melatonin in the past with mixed results, though if it's helping you, or anyone, great!



I've been taking about 1.5 servings (teaspoons) of Natural Calm magnesium citrate powder before bed (naturally fruity flavored, naturally sweetened with Stevia); it fizzes and dissolves in hot water - and the hot water I've added it to is a tea made with a dried herb called Wild Lettuce.



It actually is a kind of lettuce, though it contains mild sedative compounds; it used to be called "opium lettuce", though it contains no opioids or anything related to poppies (or illegal!), due to it's use as a "feeble" opium or morphine replacement for pain, insomnia, coughing, etc., for patientswho couldn't tolerate actual opium, or for young children.



I've found that I fall asleep quite quickly, and sleep heavily; I may wake up once or twice but that's been usual for me for years. Mind you, I think that Wild Lettuce has a reputation for enhancing vividness of dreams - sureseems so in my case - and I do wake up feeling a bit dopey - but sometimesbeing able to sleep soundly is worth a couple of tradeoffs.



The magnesium helps relax the body in general, and I believe is antagonistic to adrenaline (it lessens its effect - if you're prone to racing heart, etc.).



Good luck!



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From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>



Subject: [eSens] Sleeping Better



To: "EMS" <eSens@yahoogroups. com>



Received: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 4:38 AM



Greetings,



Someone just posted about sleeping so I thought I would send an update on my sleeping issues and what has helped. I had posted last summer a request for help with sleeping - and thanks for the response that were sent. Here isa recap of my story.



I've had EMS for a couple of year and last April a cell tower was placed a half mile from my home and "coincidental" I started having sleep problems. As it progressed I started having pains when I would lay on my mattress. I was averaging about 3 hours of sleep a night for about 5 months and even when I took a prescription sleep aid I would only sleep a couple of hours andwake up, wide awake and not able to get back to sleep. Many nights I did not sleep at all - at least once a week. Because of my MCS I knew I could not try a foam mattress. In August I purchased a Select Comfort mattress, andafter the off gassing of the new mattress at least when I laid in bed sleepless I was not in pain. The pain was from the metal springs in my regular mattress, Select Comfort mattress use air chambers.



In September I read that EMS can decrease the body's Melatonin production. Melatonin is part of the body's sleep cycle. I started taking Melatonin andthrough a couple of resources and by trial and error have found that taking 6 mg or Melatonin about 2 hours before I want to sleep works well for me.Before starting Melatonin you should read up on how much to take as a dose. 6mg is double the bottles recommended dose. I still do not sleep as much as I should/need (8-9 hour/night) but I usually get at least 7 hours of sleep/night. And if I don't take my meds I usually get a nap in during the day- the kicker is I have narcolepsy!



I have had a little more trouble sleeping for the past 10 nights or so, butthat is my own fault cause I've been watching the Olympics on TV and usually I only expose myself to the electromagnetic energy from TV during the tennis grand slam tournaments! !



I hope this helps, good luck,



Jennie



PS - Select Comfort has a program for no interest payment plans



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D,

It's actually been years, I think three or four since I went totally glutenfree and dairy free (except butter, and a brief period when I had access to a biodynamic cow that I milked myself, and the milk and cream were exceptional).  I suspect I've had yeast/dysbiosis issues for much of my life; I'm hoping to address them to a great extent now by  curtailing my sugar intake a lot, eating raw, yeast killing fat, whatever protein works for me, and taking probiotics.  I've tried lots of oregano oil/ginger/turmeric/you name it in the past, and think that it will take more than just those things to do the trick for me (like a new way of eating).

Perhaps adding in a colon cleanse will help sweep up any bacterial dysbiosis...

Cheers,

R.

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LOL R,

 

Answering my own post to you.  I just remembered something I didn't write.  How long ago was it you went gf?  It is rather widely knownin celiac circles now that candida as well as bacterial infections become apparent about 9 months to a year into being gf.  (Timemay vary.)  It is called SIBO or SBBO--small intestine (or bowel) bacterial overgrowth.  I think I read that you were doing a candidadiet (good idea).  But you might also need to kill off bacteria. 

 

Good luck,

D

 



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From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Going gf (formerly Sleeping Better)

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 2:50 PM



 



Hi, R,

 

The psoriasis on your elbows that disappeared after going gf, is/was likelydermatitis herpetiformis (DH), not psoriasis.  I had the rash variousplaces, too, and it was impossible  to control prior to going gf.  Mentioning this to you also because of rye grass being so prevalent.  I had to reseed my entire lawn with Kentucky blue grass because I got asthma and weakness often when we cut our grass.  I later realized I was reacting to the gluten when the rye was kicked up in the air.  I also got a rash sometimes when I sat on the ground.  Be also very careful washing your beans--they often have barley or rye in them.  I had to quit eating beans because I reacted too often to them.  (Often they had pieces of glutens I would try to wash out, but perhaps too I have problems just digesting beans.)   Be especially careful (gf-wise) with broths--I can tolerate no canned broths I have tried long term.  It is like playing Russian roulette--one can

is fine, the next can is contaminated and I get sick, another brand I can go 4 or 5 cans, but the next batch of broth, I get sick.....  I finally quit buying broth and make my own.  Also, if you are having digestive problems, R,check out hygiene and cleaning products.  Odd but I have had problems sometimes with those.  Also, if you live with othersfor any amount of time (or even visit), you can then have problems with contamination there......  Lots of odd things can cause digestive problems when you are reactive to glutens.

 

Good call, tho, going gf and df; hope you find the source of your current digestive problem,

Diane



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From: R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 10:28 PM



 



Oh yes - I've been completely gluten free and dairy free (except butter) for at least a few years now.  I know it was a problem; the psoriasis I had on my elbows that appeared during lots of rye and cheese sandwiches with yeasty Belgian Ale disappeared after cutting out gluten and dairy.



No, whatever's going on right now may be related in part to some digestive damage from those days, but I'm looking at things differently now, including checking my adrenals, healing the gut, and eating a very un-candida diet;cutting out more hard to digest foods, like beans, other grains, etc.  This is a big overhaul/shift for me, and I'm aiming to go about it the right way.



Cheers,



R.



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From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Received: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 12:30 AM



 



I had a lot of digestive issues previously. They have improved significantly since I started eating gluten free. Have you ever tried a gluten free diet?



Good luck,



Jennie



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To: eSens@yahoogroups. com



Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 10:12:31 AM



Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better



On the note of sleep, I've been undergoing a lot of stress and digestive issues lately, and have again looked for things to help me sleep more/better.I've tried Melatonin in the past with mixed results, though if it's helping you, or anyone, great!



I've been taking about 1.5 servings (teaspoons) of Natural Calm magnesium citrate powder before bed (naturally fruity flavored, naturally sweetened with Stevia); it fizzes and dissolves in hot water - and the hot water I've added it to is a tea made with a dried herb called Wild Lettuce.



It actually is a kind of lettuce, though it contains mild sedative compounds; it used to be called "opium lettuce", though it contains no opioids or anything related to poppies (or illegal!), due to it's use as a "feeble" opium or morphine replacement for pain, insomnia, coughing, etc., for patientswho couldn't tolerate actual opium, or for young children.



I've found that I fall asleep quite quickly, and sleep heavily; I may wake up once or twice but that's been usual for me for years. Mind you, I think that Wild Lettuce has a reputation for enhancing vividness of dreams - sureseems so in my case - and I do wake up feeling a bit dopey - but sometimesbeing able to sleep soundly is worth a couple of tradeoffs.



The magnesium helps relax the body in general, and I believe is antagonistic to adrenaline (it lessens its effect - if you're prone to racing heart, etc.).



Good luck!



--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:



From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>



Subject: [eSens] Sleeping Better



To: "EMS" <eSens@yahoogroups. com>



Received: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 4:38 AM



Greetings,



Someone just posted about sleeping so I thought I would send an update on my sleeping issues and what has helped. I had posted last summer a request for help with sleeping - and thanks for the response that were sent. Here isa recap of my story.



I've had EMS for a couple of year and last April a cell tower was placed a half mile from my home and "coincidental" I started having sleep problems. As it progressed I started having pains when I would lay on my mattress. I was averaging about 3 hours of sleep a night for about 5 months and even when I took a prescription sleep aid I would only sleep a couple of hours andwake up, wide awake and not able to get back to sleep. Many nights I did not sleep at all - at least once a week. Because of my MCS I knew I could not try a foam mattress. In August I purchased a Select Comfort mattress, andafter the off gassing of the new mattress at least when I laid in bed sleepless I was not in pain. The pain was from the metal springs in my regular mattress, Select Comfort mattress use air chambers.



In September I read that EMS can decrease the body's Melatonin production. Melatonin is part of the body's sleep cycle. I started taking Melatonin andthrough a couple of resources and by trial and error have found that taking 6 mg or Melatonin about 2 hours before I want to sleep works well for me.Before starting Melatonin you should read up on how much to take as a dose. 6mg is double the bottles recommended dose. I still do not sleep as much as I should/need (8-9 hour/night) but I usually get at least 7 hours of sleep/night. And if I don't take my meds I usually get a nap in during the day- the kicker is I have narcolepsy!



I have had a little more trouble sleeping for the past 10 nights or so, butthat is my own fault cause I've been watching the Olympics on TV and usually I only expose myself to the electromagnetic energy from TV during the tennis grand slam tournaments! !



I hope this helps, good luck,



Jennie



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Diane, I'm not sure but I thought Charles meant it's even better to eat no bread at all instead of non-gluten bread...

There are 2 well-known diets (SCD and Paleo) that advise to eliminate not only gluten but also bread, rice, potatoes, corn, sugar,... These are diets as our ancestors were eating before the agricultural revolution.

[copy/paste now because no even I can't write it better than this ;)

According to S. Boyd Eaton, "we are the heirs of inherited characteristics accrued over millions of years; the vast majority of our biochemistry and physiology are tuned to life conditions that existed prior to the advent of agriculture some 10,000 years ago. Genetically our bodies are virtually thesame as they were at the end of the Paleolithic era some 20,000 years ago."


Links of these 2 diets:
(there will be differences between the two but no big differences I think)

-SPECIFIC CARBOHYDRATE DIET (SCD):
http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/book/the_book.htm

-PALEOLITHIC DIET (Cavemand Diet):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_diet







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Thanks for the info, Giles, 
 
The bit about clear quartz will come in handy.
 
I have really enjoyed working with the stones.  I have gotten round beads and I string them various lengths.  It is good hand therapy among other things.  I have seen positive skin texture changes on my hand which was injured last year, which the doc thought was permanent damage (entirely severed a main artery, a main nerve--the Median artery and nerve,a small nerve bundle, and 3 tendons.  I had surgery for this but havebeen "behind" in regaining feeling.  The doc thought I might never regain it and that my skin would remain withered.)  I have finally begun having some feeling in 2 fingers, I think as a result of wearing the stones as necklaces and bracelets.  My sleep is deep--first time in decades, tho my sleeping was better otherwise for awhile before using the stones. 
 
I have been using jasper--gives a soothing, nurturing feeling and it really detoxed alot at first.  Now it detoxes much slower but I can tell I am still detoxing fungus, as I can faintly smell it.  I like ruby zoisite--hard to explain, but it makes me feel stronger inside.  I sometimes feel like my solar plexis is revolving--an odd feeling but not uncomfortable.  Don't know which stone causes that because I usually have both jasper and zoisite on; nor do I know if that is a good or bad thing.  lol  Amazonite also detoxes me.  I do sometimes have headaches from it, tho--like you mention--it starts at my neck.  Amethyst caused detoxing and gave my injured hand more blood circulation--you could noticeably see the difference when I wore it--it helped flush out some of the swelling I still had in my fingers also.  It also improves my sleep.  Rose quartz I have not worn, but place as you said, under my neck roll (I don't use a regular pillow) at
night; great for sleep.  I found that fluorite helps my mental clarity, but it and onyx both keep me awake, so I wear them only in the day and usually just for jewelry.  Very fun, easy hobby, too.  I have madejewelry already for other people and I just started using the gemstones myself in mid-January.
 
Thanks for spurring me on to do this; I appreciate it,
Diane

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From: Christina Steils <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 5:17 PM


 



My pleasure Diane! 
If you feel it bad some days with head pressure from all the EMF, get someone to hold the back of your neck with one hand and with the other to hold aclear quartz.. Its great healing process. Make sure the other person washes there hands and quartz afterwards. Just do it for a few minutes. They will feel all the bad energy go into the quartz!!! Its weird.
Glad you are sleeping better.

Best
Giles

--- On Wed, 24/2/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, 24 February, 2010, 21:07

 

Hi, Helen (and Giles),

 

Me too, re melatonin--it didn't help me and actually made me worse.  However, magnesium and B12 sublinguals did help me.  It depends on whatyou are lacking, as to what helps, so it is important to look into variousnutrients if you have problems sleeping.  But also, Essers need to address the issue of bedsprings usually.  I didn't think it would help when my doctor suggested it, but he mentioned pulling my bed away from the wall a foot.  I did that and found that helpful, too.  Iwas apparently reacting some to unused electrical outlets behind the bed when my ES was particularly bad.  Maybe plugging them with child-proof outlet covers might help, too, but I never tried this.  Giles mentioned using rose quartz under his pillow to sleep and I tried this and found it helped also.  (I have since found a number of gemstones which give me deep restorative sleep--and found some interesting results with various other symptoms as well, with the

gemstones.  But you have to clean and "clear" them often; if you don't, they can make you worse.)  Gemstones are very interesting- -they have various frequencies,  many of which can resonate various healing energies.  Thanks, Giles, for bringing these to our attention. 

 

Hope you are sleeping better, Helen,

Diane

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Helen Murphy <helenmurphybb@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: Helen Murphy <helenmurphybb@ gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 7:57 PM

 

Hi all,

I also did the melatonin pill thing as when I got my levels of melatonin

tested it was found to be zilch, zero, none! I take 2x 3mg per night and if

I miss a night, sometimes I sleep and sometimes I don't.

Cheers, Helen (Aust)

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> I had a lot of digestive issues previously. They have improved

> significantly since I started eating gluten free. Have you ever tried a

> gluten free diet?

>

> Good luck,

>

> Jennie

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Monolaurin and cal AEP are good for candida, R.  Also Jasper necklace--will send you one!  ;)

D
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From: R. Ticle <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Going gf (formerly Sleeping Better)
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 8:24 PM


 



D,

It's actually been years, I think three or four since I went totally glutenfree and dairy free (except butter, and a brief period when I had access to a biodynamic cow that I milked myself, and the milk and cream were exceptional) .  I suspect I've had yeast/dysbiosis issues for much of my life; I'm hoping to address them to a great extent now by  curtailing my sugar intake a lot, eating raw, yeast killing fat, whatever protein works for me, and taking probiotics.  I've tried lots of oregano oil/ginger/turmeric /you name it in the past, and think that it will take more than just those things to do the trick for me (like a new way of eating).

Perhaps adding in a colon cleanse will help sweep up any bacterial dysbiosis...

Cheers,

R.

--- On Thu, 2/25/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Going gf (formerly Sleeping Better)
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Received: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 12:54 AM

 

LOL R,

 

Answering my own post to you.  I just remembered something I didn't write.  How long ago was it you went gf?  It is rather widely knownin celiac circles now that candida as well as bacterial infections become apparent about 9 months to a year into being gf.  (Timemay vary.)  It is called SIBO or SBBO--small intestine (or bowel) bacterial overgrowth.  I think I read that you were doing a candidadiet (good idea).  But you might also need to kill off bacteria. 

 

Good luck,

D

 

--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Going gf (formerly Sleeping Better)

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 2:50 PM

 

Hi, R,

 

The psoriasis on your elbows that disappeared after going gf, is/was likelydermatitis herpetiformis (DH), not psoriasis.  I had the rash variousplaces, too, and it was impossible  to control prior to going gf.  Mentioning this to you also because of rye grass being so prevalent.  I had to reseed my entire lawn with Kentucky blue grass because I got asthma and weakness often when we cut our grass.  I later realized I was reacting to the gluten when the rye was kicked up in the air.  I also got a rash sometimes when I sat on the ground.  Be also very careful washing your beans--they often have barley or rye in them.  I had to quit eating beans because I reacted too often to them.  (Often they had pieces of glutens I would try to wash out, but perhaps too I have problems just digesting beans.)   Be especially careful (gf-wise) with broths--I can tolerate no canned broths I have tried long term.  It is like playing Russian roulette--one can

is fine, the next can is contaminated and I get sick, another brand I can go 4 or 5 cans, but the next batch of broth, I get sick.....  I finally quit buying broth and make my own.  Also, if you are having digestive problems, R,check out hygiene and cleaning products.  Odd but I have had problems sometimes with those.  Also, if you live with othersfor any amount of time (or even visit), you can then have problems with contamination there......  Lots of odd things can cause digestive problems when you are reactive to glutens.

 

Good call, tho, going gf and df; hope you find the source of your current digestive problem,

Diane

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca> wrote:

From: R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 10:28 PM

 

Oh yes - I've been completely gluten free and dairy free (except butter) for at least a few years now.  I know it was a problem; the psoriasis I had on my elbows that appeared during lots of rye and cheese sandwiches with yeasty Belgian Ale disappeared after cutting out gluten and dairy.

No, whatever's going on right now may be related in part to some digestive damage from those days, but I'm looking at things differently now, including checking my adrenals, healing the gut, and eating a very un-candida diet;cutting out more hard to digest foods, like beans, other grains, etc.  This is a big overhaul/shift for me, and I'm aiming to go about it the right way.

Cheers,

R.

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From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Received: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 12:30 AM

 

I had a lot of digestive issues previously. They have improved significantly since I started eating gluten free. Have you ever tried a gluten free diet?

Good luck,

Jennie

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From: R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca>

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 10:12:31 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better

On the note of sleep, I've been undergoing a lot of stress and digestive issues lately, and have again looked for things to help me sleep more/better.I've tried Melatonin in the past with mixed results, though if it's helping you, or anyone, great!

I've been taking about 1.5 servings (teaspoons) of Natural Calm magnesium citrate powder before bed (naturally fruity flavored, naturally sweetened with Stevia); it fizzes and dissolves in hot water - and the hot water I've added it to is a tea made with a dried herb called Wild Lettuce.

It actually is a kind of lettuce, though it contains mild sedative compounds; it used to be called "opium lettuce", though it contains no opioids or anything related to poppies (or illegal!), due to it's use as a "feeble" opium or morphine replacement for pain, insomnia, coughing, etc., for patientswho couldn't tolerate actual opium, or for young children.

I've found that I fall asleep quite quickly, and sleep heavily; I may wake up once or twice but that's been usual for me for years. Mind you, I think that Wild Lettuce has a reputation for enhancing vividness of dreams - sureseems so in my case - and I do wake up feeling a bit dopey - but sometimesbeing able to sleep soundly is worth a couple of tradeoffs.

The magnesium helps relax the body in general, and I believe is antagonistic to adrenaline (it lessens its effect - if you're prone to racing heart, etc.).

Good luck!

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>

Subject: [eSens] Sleeping Better

To: "EMS" <eSens@yahoogroups. com>

Received: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 4:38 AM

Greetings,

Someone just posted about sleeping so I thought I would send an update on my sleeping issues and what has helped. I had posted last summer a request for help with sleeping - and thanks for the response that were sent. Here isa recap of my story.

I've had EMS for a couple of year and last April a cell tower was placed a half mile from my home and "coincidental" I started having sleep problems. As it progressed I started having pains when I would lay on my mattress. I was averaging about 3 hours of sleep a night for about 5 months and even when I took a prescription sleep aid I would only sleep a couple of hours andwake up, wide awake and not able to get back to sleep. Many nights I did not sleep at all - at least once a week. Because of my MCS I knew I could not try a foam mattress. In August I purchased a Select Comfort mattress, andafter the off gassing of the new mattress at least when I laid in bed sleepless I was not in pain. The pain was from the metal springs in my regular mattress, Select Comfort mattress use air chambers.

In September I read that EMS can decrease the body's Melatonin production. Melatonin is part of the body's sleep cycle. I started taking Melatonin andthrough a couple of resources and by trial and error have found that taking 6 mg or Melatonin about 2 hours before I want to sleep works well for me.Before starting Melatonin you should read up on how much to take as a dose. 6mg is double the bottles recommended dose. I still do not sleep as much as I should/need (8-9 hour/night) but I usually get at least 7 hours of sleep/night. And if I don't take my meds I usually get a nap in during the day- the kicker is I have narcolepsy!

I have had a little more trouble sleeping for the past 10 nights or so, butthat is my own fault cause I've been watching the Olympics on TV and usually I only expose myself to the electromagnetic energy from TV during the tennis grand slam tournaments! !

I hope this helps, good luck,

Jennie

PS - Select Comfort has a program for no interest payment plans

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Thanks, Stephen,

I see.  I am familiar with both diets.  I did understand he meantall bread but didn't understand why.  THanks for clarifying, and yes,that is probably what Charles meant.  I used to follow the paleo diet, but feel better eating a more normal balanced diet (gf, of course) now.
 
Thanks for your input, Stephen;
Diane
 

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From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Gluten Free Diet
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 8:39 PM


 



Diane, I'm not sure but I thought Charles meant it's even better to eat no bread at all instead of non-gluten bread...

There are 2 well-known diets (SCD and Paleo) that advise to eliminate not only gluten but also bread, rice, potatoes, corn, sugar,... These are diets as our ancestors were eating before the agricultural revolution.

[copy/paste now because no even I can't write it better than this ;)

According to S. Boyd Eaton, "we are the heirs of inherited characteristics accrued over millions of years; the vast majority of our biochemistry and physiology are tuned to life conditions that existed prior to the advent of agriculture some 10,000 years ago. Genetically our bodies are virtually thesame as they were at the end of the Paleolithic era some 20,000 years ago."

Links of these 2 diets:
(there will be differences between the two but no big differences I think)

-SPECIFIC CARBOHYDRATE DIET (SCD):
http://www.breaking theviciouscycle. info/book/ the_book. htm

-PALEOLITHIC DIET (Cavemand Diet):
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Paleolithic_ diet

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Diane,

You mentioned broths from a can. Have you tried broths from a carton? Because I don't like anything to do with metal, I try to purchase as many fooditems as I can that are not packaged in metal/aluminum cans. I cut soda out of my diet years ago, I use to be a diet coke freak! But if I hadn't cut out soda earlier I would now especially canned soda. I was told by my doctor that as bad as soda is for you the cans are worse.

R,

You mentioned cheese. If you are sensitive to mold it could be the issue for some of the cheeses, but is sounds like you've cut cheese out of your diet anyway. I totally understand about the butter, that would be one of thelast things to go from my diet!

Good luck,

Jennie




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From: Evie <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 7:54:14 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Going gf (formerly Sleeping Better)

 
LOL R,
 
Answering my own post to you. I just remembered something I didn't write. How long ago was it you went gf? It is rather widely known in celiac circles now that candida as well as bacterial infections become apparent about 9 months to a year into being gf. (Time may vary.) It is called SIBO or SBBO--small intestine (or bowel) bacterial overgrowth. I think I read that you were doing a candida diet (good idea). But you might also need to killoff bacteria.  
 
Good luck,
D
 

--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Going gf (formerly Sleeping Better)
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 2:50 PM

 

Hi, R,
 
The psoriasis on your elbows that disappeared after going gf, is/was likelydermatitis herpetiformis (DH), not psoriasis. I had the rash various places, too, and it was impossible to control prior to going gf. Mentioning this to you also because of rye grass being so prevalent. I had to reseed my entire lawn with Kentucky blue grass because I got asthma and weakness often when we cut our grass. I later realized I was reacting to the gluten when the rye was kicked up in the air. I also got a rash sometimes when I sat on the ground. Be also very careful washing your beans--they often havebarley or rye in them. I had to quit eating beans because I reacted too often to them. (Often they had pieces of glutens I would try to wash out, but perhaps too I have problems just digesting beans.) Be especially careful (gf-wise) with broths--I can tolerate no canned broths I have tried longterm. It is like playing Russian roulette--one can
is fine, the next can is contaminated and I get sick, another brand I can go 4 or 5 cans, but the next batch of broth, I get sick..... I finally quitbuying broth and make my own. Also, if you are having digestive problems,R,check out hygiene and cleaning products. Odd but I have had problems sometimes with those. Also, if you live with others for any amount of time (or even visit), you can then have problems with contamination there...... Lots of odd things can cause digestive problems when you are reactive to glutens.
 
Good call, tho, going gf and df; hope you find the source of your current digestive problem,
Diane

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca> wrote:

From: R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 10:28 PM

 

Oh yes - I've been completely gluten free and dairy free (except butter) for at least a few years now. I know it was a problem; the psoriasis I had on my elbows that appeared during lots of rye and cheese sandwiches with yeasty Belgian Ale disappeared after cutting out gluten and dairy.

No, whatever's going on right now may be related in part to some digestive damage from those days, but I'm looking at things differently now, including checking my adrenals, healing the gut, and eating a very un-candida diet;cutting out more hard to digest foods, like beans, other grains, etc. This is a big overhaul/shift for me, and I'm aiming to go about it the right way.

Cheers,

R.

--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Received: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 12:30 AM

 

I had a lot of digestive issues previously. They have improved significantly since I started eating gluten free. Have you ever tried a gluten free diet?

Good luck,

Jennie

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From: R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca>

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 10:12:31 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better

On the note of sleep, I've been undergoing a lot of stress and digestive issues lately, and have again looked for things to help me sleep more/better.I've tried Melatonin in the past with mixed results, though if it's helping you, or anyone, great!

I've been taking about 1.5 servings (teaspoons) of Natural Calm magnesium citrate powder before bed (naturally fruity flavored, naturally sweetened with Stevia); it fizzes and dissolves in hot water - and the hot water I've added it to is a tea made with a dried herb called Wild Lettuce.

It actually is a kind of lettuce, though it contains mild sedative compounds; it used to be called "opium lettuce", though it contains no opioids or anything related to poppies (or illegal!), due to it's use as a "feeble" opium or morphine replacement for pain, insomnia, coughing, etc., for patientswho couldn't tolerate actual opium, or for young children.

I've found that I fall asleep quite quickly, and sleep heavily; I may wake up once or twice but that's been usual for me for years. Mind you, I think that Wild Lettuce has a reputation for enhancing vividness of dreams - sureseems so in my case - and I do wake up feeling a bit dopey - but sometimesbeing able to sleep soundly is worth a couple of tradeoffs.

The magnesium helps relax the body in general, and I believe is antagonistic to adrenaline (it lessens its effect - if you're prone to racing heart, etc.).

Good luck!

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>

Subject: [eSens] Sleeping Better

To: "EMS" <eSens@yahoogroups. com>

Received: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 4:38 AM

Greetings,

Someone just posted about sleeping so I thought I would send an update on my sleeping issues and what has helped. I had posted last summer a request for help with sleeping - and thanks for the response that were sent. Here isa recap of my story.

I've had EMS for a couple of year and last April a cell tower was placed a half mile from my home and "coincidental" I started having sleep problems. As it progressed I started having pains when I would lay on my mattress. I was averaging about 3 hours of sleep a night for about 5 months and even when I took a prescription sleep aid I would only sleep a couple of hours andwake up, wide awake and not able to get back to sleep. Many nights I did not sleep at all - at least once a week. Because of my MCS I knew I could not try a foam mattress. In August I purchased a Select Comfort mattress, andafter the off gassing of the new mattress at least when I laid in bed sleepless I was not in pain. The pain was from the metal springs in my regular mattress, Select Comfort mattress use air chambers.

In September I read that EMS can decrease the body's Melatonin production. Melatonin is part of the body's sleep cycle. I started taking Melatonin andthrough a couple of resources and by trial and error have found that taking 6 mg or Melatonin about 2 hours before I want to sleep works well for me.Before starting Melatonin you should read up on how much to take as a dose. 6mg is double the bottles recommended dose. I still do not sleep as much as I should/need (8-9 hour/night) but I usually get at least 7 hours of sleep/night. And if I don't take my meds I usually get a nap in during the day- the kicker is I have narcolepsy!

I have had a little more trouble sleeping for the past 10 nights or so, butthat is my own fault cause I've been watching the Olympics on TV and usually I only expose myself to the electromagnetic energy from TV during the tennis grand slam tournaments! !

I hope this helps, good luck,

Jennie

PS - Select Comfort has a program for no interest payment plans

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Yes I agree for the most part. I follow someone that says to stay away fromall grains. Our ancestors did not eat them & our bodies can't really metabolize them IMO from my research. But man do I love bread!!!!!   Loni

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Gluten Free Diet
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Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 12:30 PM


 



Gluten-free is not a solution.

You should stay away from bread altogether.
Use rice crackers as an example.

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To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:15 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Gluten Free Diet

Loni,

As you know I've also just started gluten-free (starting with 70% less
gluten and 90% less dairy).

Like Jennie I also think:
-Swithing gradually to gluten-free may be easier/better.
-You have to cook more yourself for gluten-free. I don't think there are
many gluten-free meals (when I'm lazy I kinda miss eating standard pizza's!)

On gluten-free and dairy-free I have found 2 diets that seem close to
one-another:

-SPECIFIC CARBOHYDRATE DIET (SCD): seems as if the book is full of
interesting info for beginners (you learn to make SCD-yoghurt that IS
okey!...):
http://www.breaking theviciouscycle. info/book/ the_book. htm

-PALEOLITHIC DIET (Cavemand Diet):
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Paleolithic_ diet

I kinda like to eat meat and fish so it is doable, I also like to eat
vegetables, but not sure if I'm not allergic to some of them (will be tested
soon!)...

You can also combine it with blood-type-diet. I'm O-, I haven't read
anything on that, but from my dear mother ;) I know the O-bloodtype diet is
based on meat/fish...

I definitely believe in the importance of combining food. You shouldn't eat
bacon and egg together. With meat or fish or eggs you should only eat
vegetables or fat (butter/nuts/ oil)... I have a good book on it in Dutch, it
is based on Dr. Hay's diet:
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Dr._Hay_diet

Stephen.

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Jennie,
 
Yes I agree. I will do it gradually but try to stay away from Gluten & Dairy as much as possible. I will limit grains in general. I have sooooo may food intolerances/allergies that it seems I can't eat much at all. Loni

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Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 2:43 PM


 



For some of us our health will improve it we limit or eliminate certain foods from our diet. I forgot to mention it might be easier to eliminate one food category at a time. I had initially tried to do to much all at once andit was too hard. Mentally, for me, because of the limitations placed on mebecause of EMS & MCS and because food has always been a source of comfort I felt like it was just one more thing to give up when changing my diet. Also eliminating one food item at a time helped me to see the specific impactthat food had on my health.

Good luck,

Jennie

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To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 2:15:55 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Gluten Free Diet

Loni,

As you know I've also just started gluten-free (starting with 70% less gluten and 90% less dairy).

Like Jennie I also think:
-Swithing gradually to gluten-free may be easier/better.
-You have to cook more yourself for gluten-free. I don't think there are many gluten-free meals (when I'm lazy I kinda miss eating standard pizza's!)

On gluten-free and dairy-free I have found 2 diets that seem close to one-another:

-SPECIFIC CARBOHYDRATE DIET (SCD): seems as if the book is full of interesting info for beginners (you learn to make SCD-yoghurt that IS okey!...):
http://www.breaking theviciouscycle. info/book/ the_book. htm

-PALEOLITHIC DIET (Cavemand Diet):
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Paleolithic_ diet

I kinda like to eat meat and fish so it is doable, I also like to eat vegetables, but not sure if I'm not allergic to some of them (will be tested soon!)...

You can also combine it with blood-type-diet. I'm O-, I haven't read anything on that, but from my dear mother ;) I know the O-bloodtype diet is basedon meat/fish...

I definitely believe in the importance of combining food. You shouldn't eatbacon and egg together. With meat or fish or eggs you should only eat vegetables or fat (butter/nuts/ oil)... I have a good book on it in Dutch, it is based on Dr. Hay's diet:
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Dr._Hay_diet

Stephen.

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Stephen,
 
Yes I actually have been trying to do the gf diet for a number of years nowbut has been too hard & I fall off the wagon. But now I am just too sick not to stay with it. I am more dedicated now because I feel I don't have anyother choice really.
 
Thanks for the info. I am type O also. Feel much better when I eat more meat. (Good Quality) Loni

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Subject: [eSens] Re: Gluten Free Diet
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 12:15 PM


 



Loni,

As you know I've also just started gluten-free (starting with 70% less gluten and 90% less dairy).

Like Jennie I also think:
-Swithing gradually to gluten-free may be easier/better.
-You have to cook more yourself for gluten-free. I don't think there are many gluten-free meals (when I'm lazy I kinda miss eating standard pizza's!)

On gluten-free and dairy-free I have found 2 diets that seem close to one-another:

-SPECIFIC CARBOHYDRATE DIET (SCD): seems as if the book is full of interesting info for beginners (you learn to make SCD-yoghurt that IS okey!...):
http://www.breaking theviciouscycle. info/book/ the_book. htm

-PALEOLITHIC DIET (Cavemand Diet):
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Paleolithic_ diet

I kinda like to eat meat and fish so it is doable, I also like to eat vegetables, but not sure if I'm not allergic to some of them (will be tested soon!)...

You can also combine it with blood-type-diet. I'm O-, I haven't read anything on that, but from my dear mother ;) I know the O-bloodtype diet is basedon meat/fish...

I definitely believe in the importance of combining food. You shouldn't eatbacon and egg together. With meat or fish or eggs you should only eat vegetables or fat (butter/nuts/ oil)... I have a good book on it in Dutch, it is based on Dr. Hay's diet:
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Dr._Hay_diet

Stephen.

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I feel crappy after I eat Oats. Loni

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Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 3:36 PM


 



Hi Jennie,
 
You can tolerate oats???  Do you buy a special kind of gf oats, Jennie?  Most oats are contaminated with gluten from other grain sources.  I have tried Irish oats, local oats..... no oats work for me.
 
Only have a couple more minutes before I have to get off-line, but I have recipes for soft gf sandwich breads.  I will share if you want.  (I will trade for gf/sf desserts.  lol  We could start a cooking trading card business, Jennie!)  I use a electric bread machine for some of my recipes and set it to bake while I am out.  (But have to say, I really don't seem to have a problem with the bread machine on ES-wise, when I am home all day.)  Depending on what you are able to use, ingredients- wise, these could work for you or not.  I use guar and xantham gums.  I also use buttermilk sometimes for helping with leavening and texture.  This is reeaaallllly getting off-topic.  (Sorry Marc.)  I can send more info privately.
 
Happy gf eating,
Diane

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From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Gluten Free Diet
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 12:12 AM

 

Loni, I have not cut out dairy but I have decreased my consumption of it. Ishould maybe try and cut out dairy and see if it gives me some positive results. My chiropractor is Dutch and he says that the dairy products in Europe are better for you than in America and for some of his patience that cannot have dairy but are traveling to Europe he tells them they can consume some dairy while in Europe.

As far as gluten goes, I have eliminated it from my diet. One of the reasons that keeps me on track is remembering how badly I felt when I ate gluten.There are more gluten free products to choose from than before but depending on your tastes some items may taste OK to you and some terrible. BecauseI was not familiar with the products by sight I would get mixed up on which items I liked and which I did not. So, I started saving the empty boxes and bags of what I liked and stored them in a cereal box to keep for reference when I made out my grocery list. I have come to terms with the fact thatI will never eat a soft sandwich again, but I grill my sandwiches. And when I look at new recipes from a regular cookbook I look for recipes that areinherently gluten free or with very little gluten so adding a GF substitute will not be difficult.

I have mentioned before that I have a small catering company and most of myrecipes are my own. I need to make more of an effort to develop some GF recipes. Below I have written out a recipe I have made. It is not a healthy recipe but it is GF and the softest GF dessert I have had. If you try it letme know what you think.

Good luck,

Jennie

Baked Oatmeal Cake

Combine in Medium Bowl:
1/2 Cup Vegetable Oil
3/4 Cup Sugar
2 Eggs

Add:
3 Cups GF Oatmeal
1 tsp Baking Soda
1/2 tsp Cinnamon
1 Cup Milk or Milk substitute
1 tsp Vanilla

Spread batter into a 9x9 pan

Mix Strusel in Small Bowl:
In small food processor, process GF Oatmeal until fine like flour. Measure out 1/3 Cup of "Oatmeal Flour"
1/4 Cup Brown Sugar
2 Tablespoons Butter, melted
1/2 tsp Cinnamon

Crumble above strusel on top of batter and bake at 350 degrees for 30 minutes.

Variations:
Substitute Brown Sugar for White
Add Raisins and/or Chopped Nuts

Try substituting "Oatmeal Flour" for regular flour in baking recipes that use only small amount of flour

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From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 10:37:33 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Gluten Free Diet

I am trying do omitt dairy & gluten in the diet but gluten free is really really hard for me. I know it is key to feeling better for me. Any tips on how to stick with this? Loni

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From: R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 8:28 PM

Oh yes - I've been completely gluten free and dairy free (except butter) for at least a few years now. I know it was a problem; the psoriasis I had onmy elbows that appeared during lots of rye and cheese sandwiches with yeasty Belgian Ale disappeared after cutting out gluten and dairy.

No, whatever's going on right now may be related in part to some digestive damage from those days, but I'm looking at things differently now, including checking my adrenals, healing the gut, and eating a very un-candida diet;cutting out more hard to digest foods, like beans, other grains, etc. Thisis a big overhaul/shift for me, and I'm aiming to go about it the right way.

Cheers,

R.

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From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Received: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 12:30 AM

I had a lot of digestive issues previously. They have improved significantly since I started eating gluten free. Have you ever tried a gluten free diet?

Good luck,

Jennie

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From: R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca>

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 10:12:31 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better

On the note of sleep, I've been undergoing a lot of stress and digestive issues lately, and have again looked for things to help me sleep more/better.I've tried Melatonin in the past with mixed results, though if it's helping you, or anyone, great!

I've been taking about 1.5 servings (teaspoons) of Natural Calm magnesium citrate powder before bed (naturally fruity flavored, naturally sweetened with Stevia); it fizzes and dissolves in hot water - and the hot water I've added it to is a tea made with a dried herb called Wild Lettuce.

It actually is a kind of lettuce, though it contains mild sedative compounds; it used to be called "opium lettuce", though it contains no opioids or anything related to poppies (or illegal!), due to it's use as a "feeble" opium or morphine replacement for pain, insomnia, coughing, etc., for patientswho couldn't tolerate actual opium, or for young children.

I've found that I fall asleep quite quickly, and sleep heavily; I may wake up once or twice but that's been usual for me for years. Mind you, I think that Wild Lettuce has a reputation for enhancing vividness of dreams - sureseems so in my case - and I do wake up feeling a bit dopey - but sometimesbeing able to sleep soundly is worth a couple of tradeoffs.

The magnesium helps relax the body in general, and I believe is antagonistic to adrenaline (it lessens its effect - if you're prone to racing heart, etc.).

Good luck!

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From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>

Subject: [eSens] Sleeping Better

To: "EMS" <eSens@yahoogroups. com>

Received: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 4:38 AM

Greetings,

Someone just posted about sleeping so I thought I would send an update on my sleeping issues and what has helped. I had posted last summer a request for help with sleeping - and thanks for the response that were sent. Here isa recap of my story.

I've had EMS for a couple of year and last April a cell tower was placed a half mile from my home and "coincidental" I started having sleep problems. As it progressed I started having pains when I would lay on my mattress. I was averaging about 3 hours of sleep a night for about 5 months and even when I took a prescription sleep aid I would only sleep a couple of hours andwake up, wide awake and not able to get back to sleep. Many nights I did not sleep at all - at least once a week. Because of my MCS I knew I could not try a foam mattress. In August I purchased a Select Comfort mattress, andafter the off gassing of the new mattress at least when I laid in bed sleepless I was not in pain. The pain was from the metal springs in my regular mattress, Select Comfort mattress use air chambers.

In September I read that EMS can decrease the body's Melatonin production. Melatonin is part of the body's sleep cycle. I started taking Melatonin andthrough a couple of resources and by trial and error have found that taking 6 mg or Melatonin about 2 hours before I want to sleep works well for me.Before starting Melatonin you should read up on how much to take as a dose. 6mg is double the bottles recommended dose. I still do not sleep as much as I should/need (8-9 hour/night) but I usually get at least 7 hours of sleep/night. And if I don't take my meds I usually get a nap in during the day- the kicker is I have narcolepsy!

I have had a little more trouble sleeping for the past 10 nights or so, butthat is my own fault cause I've been watching the Olympics on TV and usually I only expose myself to the electromagnetic energy from TV during the tennis grand slam tournaments! !

I hope this helps, good luck,

Jennie

PS - Select Comfort has a program for no interest payment plans

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> I feel crappy after I eat Oats. Loni

Oddly enough, I feel *better* after eating oats. I actually
eat oats most every day...

Marc

Hi, Jennie,
 
Hubby ended up working late and my whole night opened up.  Everybody at the ESforum is going to be "evie"d to death by the time I finish my email.  lololol 
 
Jennie, I have tried broths from a carton--specifically one called "Pacific" something or other.  It was supposed to be gf, and I bought 3 cartons from 2 batch numbers.  Same thing--gf contamination in one carton.  I mentioned it on my celiac forum and most celiacs thought they tolerated the brand, but I got some responses from the very reactive fringe (like me) who said the same thing--it was often contaminated.  The problem is when the broth is made at a non-gf facility on dedicated gf equipment or on shared equipment--sharing gluten and gf machinery.  Almost all companies clean the shared equipment between batches (cleaning canvary--sometimes water is run thru or the machines are hosed down with water), but even then it often isn't reliably gf for those of us who are very sensitive. 
 
Thanks for the thought tho. 
 
Take care, Dear,
Diane
 


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From: Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Going gf (formerly Sleeping Better)
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 10:05 PM


 




Diane,

You mentioned broths from a can. Have you tried broths from a carton? Because I don't like anything to do with metal, I try to purchase as many food items as I can that are not packaged in metal/aluminum cans. I cut soda out of my diet years ago, I use to be a diet coke freak! But if I hadn't cut out soda earlier I would now especially canned soda. I was told by my doctor that as bad as soda is for you the cans are worse.

R,

You mentioned cheese. If you are sensitive to mold it could be the issue for some of the cheeses, but is sounds like you've cut cheese out of your diet anyway. I totally understand about the butter, that would be one of the last things to go from my diet!

Good luck,

Jennie

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From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 7:54:14 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Going gf (formerly Sleeping Better)

LOL R,

Answering my own post to you. I just remembered something I didn't write. How long ago was it you went gf? It is rather widely known in celiac circlesnow that candida as well as bacterial infections become apparent about 9 months to a year into being gf. (Time may vary.) It is called SIBO or SBBO--small intestine (or bowel) bacterial overgrowth. I think I read that you were doing a candida diet (good idea). But you might also need to kill off bacteria.

Good luck,
D


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From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Going gf (formerly Sleeping Better)
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 2:50 PM

Hi, R,

The psoriasis on your elbows that disappeared after going gf, is/was likelydermatitis herpetiformis (DH), not psoriasis. I had the rash various places, too, and it was impossible to control prior to going gf. Mentioning thisto you also because of rye grass being so prevalent. I had to reseed my entire lawn with Kentucky blue grass because I got asthma and weakness often when we cut our grass. I later realized I was reacting to the gluten when the rye was kicked up in the air. I also got a rash sometimes when I sat on the ground. Be also very careful washing your beans--they often have barleyor rye in them. I had to quit eating beans because I reacted too often to them. (Often they had pieces of glutens I would try to wash out, but perhaps too I have problems just digesting beans.) Be especially careful (gf-wise) with broths--I can tolerate no canned broths I have tried long term. It is like playing Russian roulette--one can
is fine, the next can is contaminated and I get sick, another brand I can go 4 or 5 cans, but the next batch of broth, I get sick..... I finally quit buying broth and make my own. Also, if you are having digestive problems, R,check out hygiene and cleaning products. Odd but I have had problems sometimes with those. Also, if you live with others for any amount of time (or even visit), you can then have problems with contamination there...... Lots of odd things can cause digestive problems when you are reactive to glutens.

Good call, tho, going gf and df; hope you find the source of your current digestive problem,
Diane

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca> wrote:

From: R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 10:28 PM

Oh yes - I've been completely gluten free and dairy free (except butter) for at least a few years now. I know it was a problem; the psoriasis I had onmy elbows that appeared during lots of rye and cheese sandwiches with yeasty Belgian Ale disappeared after cutting out gluten and dairy.

No, whatever's going on right now may be related in part to some digestive damage from those days, but I'm looking at things differently now, including checking my adrenals, healing the gut, and eating a very un-candida diet;cutting out more hard to digest foods, like beans, other grains, etc. Thisis a big overhaul/shift for me, and I'm aiming to go about it the right way.

Cheers,

R.

--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Received: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 12:30 AM

I had a lot of digestive issues previously. They have improved significantly since I started eating gluten free. Have you ever tried a gluten free diet?

Good luck,

Jennie

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From: R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca>

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 10:12:31 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better

On the note of sleep, I've been undergoing a lot of stress and digestive issues lately, and have again looked for things to help me sleep more/better.I've tried Melatonin in the past with mixed results, though if it's helping you, or anyone, great!

I've been taking about 1.5 servings (teaspoons) of Natural Calm magnesium citrate powder before bed (naturally fruity flavored, naturally sweetened with Stevia); it fizzes and dissolves in hot water - and the hot water I've added it to is a tea made with a dried herb called Wild Lettuce.

It actually is a kind of lettuce, though it contains mild sedative compounds; it used to be called "opium lettuce", though it contains no opioids or anything related to poppies (or illegal!), due to it's use as a "feeble" opium or morphine replacement for pain, insomnia, coughing, etc., for patientswho couldn't tolerate actual opium, or for young children.

I've found that I fall asleep quite quickly, and sleep heavily; I may wake up once or twice but that's been usual for me for years. Mind you, I think that Wild Lettuce has a reputation for enhancing vividness of dreams - sureseems so in my case - and I do wake up feeling a bit dopey - but sometimesbeing able to sleep soundly is worth a couple of tradeoffs.

The magnesium helps relax the body in general, and I believe is antagonistic to adrenaline (it lessens its effect - if you're prone to racing heart, etc.).

Good luck!

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>

Subject: [eSens] Sleeping Better

To: "EMS" <eSens@yahoogroups. com>

Received: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 4:38 AM

Greetings,

Someone just posted about sleeping so I thought I would send an update on my sleeping issues and what has helped. I had posted last summer a request for help with sleeping - and thanks for the response that were sent. Here isa recap of my story.

I've had EMS for a couple of year and last April a cell tower was placed a half mile from my home and "coincidental" I started having sleep problems. As it progressed I started having pains when I would lay on my mattress. I was averaging about 3 hours of sleep a night for about 5 months and even when I took a prescription sleep aid I would only sleep a couple of hours andwake up, wide awake and not able to get back to sleep. Many nights I did not sleep at all - at least once a week. Because of my MCS I knew I could not try a foam mattress. In August I purchased a Select Comfort mattress, andafter the off gassing of the new mattress at least when I laid in bed sleepless I was not in pain. The pain was from the metal springs in my regular mattress, Select Comfort mattress use air chambers.

In September I read that EMS can decrease the body's Melatonin production. Melatonin is part of the body's sleep cycle. I started taking Melatonin andthrough a couple of resources and by trial and error have found that taking 6 mg or Melatonin about 2 hours before I want to sleep works well for me.Before starting Melatonin you should read up on how much to take as a dose. 6mg is double the bottles recommended dose. I still do not sleep as much as I should/need (8-9 hour/night) but I usually get at least 7 hours of sleep/night. And if I don't take my meds I usually get a nap in during the day- the kicker is I have narcolepsy!

I have had a little more trouble sleeping for the past 10 nights or so, butthat is my own fault cause I've been watching the Olympics on TV and usually I only expose myself to the electromagnetic energy from TV during the tennis grand slam tournaments! !

I hope this helps, good luck,

Jennie

PS - Select Comfort has a program for no interest payment plans

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Oats are good for the central nerve system...

I don't tolerate oats (I think).

Stephen.


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> > I feel crappy after I eat Oats. Loni
>
> Oddly enough, I feel *better* after eating oats. I actually
> eat oats most every day...
>
> Marc
>

Diane,

Some glues use gluten making some cartons a problem. I have found that over time while I am still sensitive to gluten I am not as sensitive as I use to be. I'm sorry you have not experienced the same thing. :( But in the long run home made broths are better for you anyway! ;)

I know what you mean about the subject title. Sometimes I change the subject title sometimes not.  

Have a great day,

jw





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Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 11:51:52 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Going gf (formerly Sleeping Better)

 
Hi, Jennie,
 
Hubby ended up working late and my whole night opened up. Everybody at theESforum is going to be "evie"d to death by the time I finish my email. lololol  
 
Jennie, I have tried broths from a carton--specificall y one called "Pacific" something or other. It was supposed to be gf, and I bought 3 cartons from 2 batch numbers. Same thing--gf contamination in one carton. I mentioned it on my celiac forum and most celiacs thought they tolerated the brand,but I got some responses from the very reactive fringe (like me) who said the same thing--it was often contaminated. The problem is when the broth is made at a non-gf facility on dedicated gf equipment or on shared equipment--sharing gluten and gf machinery. Almost all companies clean the shared equipment between batches (cleaning can vary--sometimes water is run thru or the machines are hosed down with water), but even then it often isn't reliably gf for those of us who are very sensitive.  
 
Thanks for the thought tho.  
 
Take care, Dear,
Diane
 

--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Going gf (formerly Sleeping Better)
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 10:05 PM

 

Diane,

You mentioned broths from a can. Have you tried broths from a carton? Because I don't like anything to do with metal, I try to purchase as many food items as I can that are not packaged in metal/aluminum cans. I cut soda out of my diet years ago, I use to be a diet coke freak! But if I hadn't cut out soda earlier I would now especially canned soda. I was told by my doctor that as bad as soda is for you the cans are worse.

R,

You mentioned cheese. If you are sensitive to mold it could be the issue for some of the cheeses, but is sounds like you've cut cheese out of your diet anyway. I totally understand about the butter, that would be one of the last things to go from my diet!

Good luck,

Jennie

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From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 7:54:14 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Going gf (formerly Sleeping Better)

LOL R,

Answering my own post to you. I just remembered something I didn't write. How long ago was it you went gf? It is rather widely known in celiac circlesnow that candida as well as bacterial infections become apparent about 9 months to a year into being gf. (Time may vary.) It is called SIBO or SBBO--small intestine (or bowel) bacterial overgrowth. I think I read that you were doing a candida diet (good idea). But you might also need to kill off bacteria.

Good luck,
D

--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Going gf (formerly Sleeping Better)
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 2:50 PM

Hi, R,

The psoriasis on your elbows that disappeared after going gf, is/was likelydermatitis herpetiformis (DH), not psoriasis. I had the rash various places, too, and it was impossible to control prior to going gf. Mentioning thisto you also because of rye grass being so prevalent. I had to reseed my entire lawn with Kentucky blue grass because I got asthma and weakness often when we cut our grass. I later realized I was reacting to the gluten when the rye was kicked up in the air. I also got a rash sometimes when I sat on the ground. Be also very careful washing your beans--they often have barleyor rye in them. I had to quit eating beans because I reacted too often to them. (Often they had pieces of glutens I would try to wash out, but perhaps too I have problems just digesting beans.) Be especially careful (gf-wise) with broths--I can tolerate no canned broths I have tried long term. It is like playing Russian roulette--one can
is fine, the next can is contaminated and I get sick, another brand I can go 4 or 5 cans, but the next batch of broth, I get sick..... I finally quit buying broth and make my own. Also, if you are having digestive problems, R,check out hygiene and cleaning products. Odd but I have had problems sometimes with those. Also, if you live with others for any amount of time (or even visit), you can then have problems with contamination there...... Lots of odd things can cause digestive problems when you are reactive to glutens.

Good call, tho, going gf and df; hope you find the source of your current digestive problem,
Diane

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca> wrote:

From: R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 10:28 PM

Oh yes - I've been completely gluten free and dairy free (except butter) for at least a few years now. I know it was a problem; the psoriasis I had onmy elbows that appeared during lots of rye and cheese sandwiches with yeasty Belgian Ale disappeared after cutting out gluten and dairy.

No, whatever's going on right now may be related in part to some digestive damage from those days, but I'm looking at things differently now, including checking my adrenals, healing the gut, and eating a very un-candida diet;cutting out more hard to digest foods, like beans, other grains, etc. Thisis a big overhaul/shift for me, and I'm aiming to go about it the right way.

Cheers,

R.

--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Received: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 12:30 AM

I had a lot of digestive issues previously. They have improved significantly since I started eating gluten free. Have you ever tried a gluten free diet?

Good luck,

Jennie

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From: R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca>

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 10:12:31 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better

On the note of sleep, I've been undergoing a lot of stress and digestive issues lately, and have again looked for things to help me sleep more/better.I've tried Melatonin in the past with mixed results, though if it's helping you, or anyone, great!

I've been taking about 1.5 servings (teaspoons) of Natural Calm magnesium citrate powder before bed (naturally fruity flavored, naturally sweetened with Stevia); it fizzes and dissolves in hot water - and the hot water I've added it to is a tea made with a dried herb called Wild Lettuce.

It actually is a kind of lettuce, though it contains mild sedative compounds; it used to be called "opium lettuce", though it contains no opioids or anything related to poppies (or illegal!), due to it's use as a "feeble" opium or morphine replacement for pain, insomnia, coughing, etc., for patientswho couldn't tolerate actual opium, or for young children.

I've found that I fall asleep quite quickly, and sleep heavily; I may wake up once or twice but that's been usual for me for years. Mind you, I think that Wild Lettuce has a reputation for enhancing vividness of dreams - sureseems so in my case - and I do wake up feeling a bit dopey - but sometimesbeing able to sleep soundly is worth a couple of tradeoffs.

The magnesium helps relax the body in general, and I believe is antagonistic to adrenaline (it lessens its effect - if you're prone to racing heart, etc.).

Good luck!

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>

Subject: [eSens] Sleeping Better

To: "EMS" <eSens@yahoogroups. com>

Received: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 4:38 AM

Greetings,

Someone just posted about sleeping so I thought I would send an update on my sleeping issues and what has helped. I had posted last summer a request for help with sleeping - and thanks for the response that were sent. Here isa recap of my story.

I've had EMS for a couple of year and last April a cell tower was placed a half mile from my home and "coincidental" I started having sleep problems. As it progressed I started having pains when I would lay on my mattress. I was averaging about 3 hours of sleep a night for about 5 months and even when I took a prescription sleep aid I would only sleep a couple of hours andwake up, wide awake and not able to get back to sleep. Many nights I did not sleep at all - at least once a week. Because of my MCS I knew I could not try a foam mattress. In August I purchased a Select Comfort mattress, andafter the off gassing of the new mattress at least when I laid in bed sleepless I was not in pain. The pain was from the metal springs in my regular mattress, Select Comfort mattress use air chambers.

In September I read that EMS can decrease the body's Melatonin production. Melatonin is part of the body's sleep cycle. I started taking Melatonin andthrough a couple of resources and by trial and error have found that taking 6 mg or Melatonin about 2 hours before I want to sleep works well for me.Before starting Melatonin you should read up on how much to take as a dose. 6mg is double the bottles recommended dose. I still do not sleep as much as I should/need (8-9 hour/night) but I usually get at least 7 hours of sleep/night. And if I don't take my meds I usually get a nap in during the day- the kicker is I have narcolepsy!

I have had a little more trouble sleeping for the past 10 nights or so, butthat is my own fault cause I've been watching the Olympics on TV and usually I only expose myself to the electromagnetic energy from TV during the tennis grand slam tournaments! !

I hope this helps, good luck,

Jennie

PS - Select Comfort has a program for no interest payment plans

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Has it helped with ES & did it build your immunes system? What have you noticed with the diet change. Loni

--- On Wed, 2/24/10, R. Ticle <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: R. Ticle <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Going gf (formerly Sleeping Better)
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 6:24 PM


 



D,

It's actually been years, I think three or four since I went totally glutenfree and dairy free (except butter, and a brief period when I had access to a biodynamic cow that I milked myself, and the milk and cream were exceptional) .  I suspect I've had yeast/dysbiosis issues for much of my life; I'm hoping to address them to a great extent now by  curtailing my sugar intake a lot, eating raw, yeast killing fat, whatever protein works for me, and taking probiotics.  I've tried lots of oregano oil/ginger/turmeric /you name it in the past, and think that it will take more than just those things to do the trick for me (like a new way of eating).

Perhaps adding in a colon cleanse will help sweep up any bacterial dysbiosis...

Cheers,

R.

--- On Thu, 2/25/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Going gf (formerly Sleeping Better)
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Received: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 12:54 AM

 

LOL R,

 

Answering my own post to you.  I just remembered something I didn't write.  How long ago was it you went gf?  It is rather widely knownin celiac circles now that candida as well as bacterial infections become apparent about 9 months to a year into being gf.  (Timemay vary.)  It is called SIBO or SBBO--small intestine (or bowel) bacterial overgrowth.  I think I read that you were doing a candidadiet (good idea).  But you might also need to kill off bacteria. 

 

Good luck,

D

 

--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Going gf (formerly Sleeping Better)

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 2:50 PM

 

Hi, R,

 

The psoriasis on your elbows that disappeared after going gf, is/was likelydermatitis herpetiformis (DH), not psoriasis.  I had the rash variousplaces, too, and it was impossible  to control prior to going gf.  Mentioning this to you also because of rye grass being so prevalent.  I had to reseed my entire lawn with Kentucky blue grass because I got asthma and weakness often when we cut our grass.  I later realized I was reacting to the gluten when the rye was kicked up in the air.  I also got a rash sometimes when I sat on the ground.  Be also very careful washing your beans--they often have barley or rye in them.  I had to quit eating beans because I reacted too often to them.  (Often they had pieces of glutens I would try to wash out, but perhaps too I have problems just digesting beans.)   Be especially careful (gf-wise) with broths--I can tolerate no canned broths I have tried long term.  It is like playing Russian roulette--one can

is fine, the next can is contaminated and I get sick, another brand I can go 4 or 5 cans, but the next batch of broth, I get sick.....  I finally quit buying broth and make my own.  Also, if you are having digestive problems, R,check out hygiene and cleaning products.  Odd but I have had problems sometimes with those.  Also, if you live with othersfor any amount of time (or even visit), you can then have problems with contamination there......  Lots of odd things can cause digestive problems when you are reactive to glutens.

 

Good call, tho, going gf and df; hope you find the source of your current digestive problem,

Diane

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca> wrote:

From: R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 10:28 PM

 

Oh yes - I've been completely gluten free and dairy free (except butter) for at least a few years now.  I know it was a problem; the psoriasis I had on my elbows that appeared during lots of rye and cheese sandwiches with yeasty Belgian Ale disappeared after cutting out gluten and dairy.

No, whatever's going on right now may be related in part to some digestive damage from those days, but I'm looking at things differently now, including checking my adrenals, healing the gut, and eating a very un-candida diet;cutting out more hard to digest foods, like beans, other grains, etc.  This is a big overhaul/shift for me, and I'm aiming to go about it the right way.

Cheers,

R.

--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Received: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 12:30 AM

 

I had a lot of digestive issues previously. They have improved significantly since I started eating gluten free. Have you ever tried a gluten free diet?

Good luck,

Jennie

____________ _________ _________ __

From: R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca>

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 10:12:31 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better

On the note of sleep, I've been undergoing a lot of stress and digestive issues lately, and have again looked for things to help me sleep more/better.I've tried Melatonin in the past with mixed results, though if it's helping you, or anyone, great!

I've been taking about 1.5 servings (teaspoons) of Natural Calm magnesium citrate powder before bed (naturally fruity flavored, naturally sweetened with Stevia); it fizzes and dissolves in hot water - and the hot water I've added it to is a tea made with a dried herb called Wild Lettuce.

It actually is a kind of lettuce, though it contains mild sedative compounds; it used to be called "opium lettuce", though it contains no opioids or anything related to poppies (or illegal!), due to it's use as a "feeble" opium or morphine replacement for pain, insomnia, coughing, etc., for patientswho couldn't tolerate actual opium, or for young children.

I've found that I fall asleep quite quickly, and sleep heavily; I may wake up once or twice but that's been usual for me for years. Mind you, I think that Wild Lettuce has a reputation for enhancing vividness of dreams - sureseems so in my case - and I do wake up feeling a bit dopey - but sometimesbeing able to sleep soundly is worth a couple of tradeoffs.

The magnesium helps relax the body in general, and I believe is antagonistic to adrenaline (it lessens its effect - if you're prone to racing heart, etc.).

Good luck!

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>

Subject: [eSens] Sleeping Better

To: "EMS" <eSens@yahoogroups. com>

Received: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 4:38 AM

Greetings,

Someone just posted about sleeping so I thought I would send an update on my sleeping issues and what has helped. I had posted last summer a request for help with sleeping - and thanks for the response that were sent. Here isa recap of my story.

I've had EMS for a couple of year and last April a cell tower was placed a half mile from my home and "coincidental" I started having sleep problems. As it progressed I started having pains when I would lay on my mattress. I was averaging about 3 hours of sleep a night for about 5 months and even when I took a prescription sleep aid I would only sleep a couple of hours andwake up, wide awake and not able to get back to sleep. Many nights I did not sleep at all - at least once a week. Because of my MCS I knew I could not try a foam mattress. In August I purchased a Select Comfort mattress, andafter the off gassing of the new mattress at least when I laid in bed sleepless I was not in pain. The pain was from the metal springs in my regular mattress, Select Comfort mattress use air chambers.

In September I read that EMS can decrease the body's Melatonin production. Melatonin is part of the body's sleep cycle. I started taking Melatonin andthrough a couple of resources and by trial and error have found that taking 6 mg or Melatonin about 2 hours before I want to sleep works well for me.Before starting Melatonin you should read up on how much to take as a dose. 6mg is double the bottles recommended dose. I still do not sleep as much as I should/need (8-9 hour/night) but I usually get at least 7 hours of sleep/night. And if I don't take my meds I usually get a nap in during the day- the kicker is I have narcolepsy!

I have had a little more trouble sleeping for the past 10 nights or so, butthat is my own fault cause I've been watching the Olympics on TV and usually I only expose myself to the electromagnetic energy from TV during the tennis grand slam tournaments! !

I hope this helps, good luck,

Jennie

PS - Select Comfort has a program for no interest payment plans

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--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Gluten Free Diet
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 9:41 PM


 



> I feel crappy after I eat Oats. Loni

Oddly enough, I feel *better* after eating oats. I actually
eat oats most every day...

Marc








     

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Oats also soak up toxins in the gut. Great for detox if you can tolerate them. Iffy for us I think. Loni

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From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Gluten Free Diet
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 6:14 AM


 



Oats are good for the central nerve system...

I don't tolerate oats (I think).

Stephen.

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> > I feel crappy after I eat Oats. Loni
>
> Oddly enough, I feel *better* after eating oats. I actually
> eat oats most every day...
>
> Marc
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