A question primarily for Mr. Low :-) and Charles, but any others contributions are welcome... I am interested in investigating more on Schumann frequencies... I Charles mentioned that Spectran possibly measures such radiations. I don't think so, but let's hear what Low says... Star Harmonizer Marc mentioned a weeks ago is allegedly based on Schumann patterns... What attracts me most is a possibility of a connection with EEG patterns... In fact I am planning to buy a small EEG device... (Any suggestions?) The main idea is that EEG would enable (almost) objective assesment of changes that we generaly tend to monitor by dowsing or subjective reports. I have possibly already mentioned the works of Dr. Vorgucic who found out that EEG of (reliable!) dowsers and some other people as well, tends to be changed in the presence of "bad spots". I expect the same in the presence of EMF. Actually, I have done some tests on medical equipment some years ago and proved findings of Dr. Klitzing that EEG changes in the presence of an active mobile phone. (That was repeated also by other authors later.) Now I would like to do some more research on my own. Drasko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Hello Drasko,
Schumann frequencies play an important part. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 20:12 Subject: [eSens] Schumann > > A question primarily for Mr. Low :-) and Charles, but any others contributions are welcome... > > I am interested in investigating more on Schumann frequencies... I > Charles mentioned that Spectran possibly measures such radiations. I don't think so, but let's hear what Low says... > > Star Harmonizer Marc mentioned a weeks ago is allegedly based on Schumann patterns... > > What attracts me most is a possibility of a connection with EEG patterns... In fact I am planning to buy a small EEG device... (Any suggestions?) > > The main idea is that EEG would enable (almost) objective assesment of changes that we generaly tend to monitor by dowsing or subjective reports. I have possibly already mentioned the works of Dr. Vorgucic who found out that EEG of (reliable!) dowsers and some other people as well, tends to be changed in the presence of "bad spots". I expect the same in the presence of EMF. Actually, I have done some tests on medical equipment some years ago and proved findings of Dr. Klitzing that EEG changes in the presence of an active mobile phone. (That was repeated also by other authors later.) Now I would like to do some more research on my own. > > > Drasko > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > |
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What you call the "Schumann-frequency" is mentioned to be a LOW
frequency field so you CANT measure if with a HIGH frequency meter, sorry. You would need a quite accurate and frequency selective meter for LOW magnetic fields to measure it. --- In [hidden email], "Drasko Cvijovic" <pecina@c...> wrote: > > A question primarily for Mr. Low :-) and Charles, but any others contributions are welcome... > > I am interested in investigating more on Schumann frequencies... I > Charles mentioned that Spectran possibly measures such radiations. I don't think so, but let's hear what Low says... > > Star Harmonizer Marc mentioned a weeks ago is allegedly based on Schumann patterns... > > What attracts me most is a possibility of a connection with EEG patterns... In fact I am planning to buy a small EEG device... (Any suggestions?) > > The main idea is that EEG would enable (almost) objective assesment of changes that we generaly tend to monitor by dowsing or subjective reports. I have possibly already mentioned the works of Dr. Vorgucic who found out that EEG of (reliable!) dowsers and some other people as well, tends to be changed in the presence of "bad spots". I expect the same in the presence of EMF. Actually, I have done some tests on medical equipment some years ago and proved findings of Dr. Klitzing that EEG changes in the presence of an active mobile phone. (That was repeated also by other authors later.) Now I would like to do some more research on my own. > > > Drasko > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
I repeat my message from 7/11/2005
************* Now, you only do have only 2 Spectrans? You do not have the NF 5020 ? Which Aaronia claims it can measure from 1 Hz to 1 MHz. If you want to measure the Schumann frequencies, how do you do that. Normally one needs enormous big measure probes for that. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "low_emf" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 19:54 Subject: [eSens] Wrong, i have 2! SPECTRANs > You are wrong again, Charless: I have 2! SPECTRANS. A HF-2025E and a > HF-6080 (GRIN). ************* A LOW frequency van be measured with a LOW frequency meter like the aforementioned NF 5020. Of which Aaronia claims it can measure from 1 Hz to 1 MHz. Now, you all of a sudden do not know the assortment of meters Aaronia advertises with. You better look at their website. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "low_emf" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 09:46 Subject: [eSens] Re: Schumann > What you call the "Schumann-frequency" is mentioned to be a LOW > frequency field so you CANT measure if with a HIGH frequency meter, sorry. > You would need a quite accurate and frequency selective meter for LOW > magnetic fields to measure it. > > --- In [hidden email], "Drasko Cvijovic" <pecina@c...> wrote: > > > > A question primarily for Mr. Low :-) and Charles, but any others > contributions are welcome... > > > > I am interested in investigating more on Schumann frequencies... I > > Charles mentioned that Spectran possibly measures such radiations. I > don't think so, but let's hear what Low says... > > > > Star Harmonizer Marc mentioned a weeks ago is allegedly based on > Schumann patterns... > > > > What attracts me most is a possibility of a connection with EEG > patterns... In fact I am planning to buy a small EEG device... (Any > suggestions?) > > > > The main idea is that EEG would enable (almost) objective assesment > of changes that we generaly tend to monitor by dowsing or subjective > reports. I have possibly already mentioned the works of Dr. Vorgucic > who found out that EEG of (reliable!) dowsers and some other people as > well, tends to be changed in the presence of "bad spots". I expect the > same in the presence of EMF. Actually, I have done some tests on > medical equipment some years ago and proved findings of Dr. Klitzing > that EEG changes in the presence of an active mobile phone. (That was > repeated also by other authors later.) Now I would like to do some > more research on my own. > > > > > > Drasko > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > |
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Isn't there a Spectran for low frequencies, allegedly monitoring down to 1
Hz range?! Drasko ----- Original Message ----- From: "low_emf" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Schumann > What you call the "Schumann-frequency" is mentioned to be a LOW > frequency field so you CANT measure if with a HIGH frequency meter, sorry. > You would need a quite accurate and frequency selective meter for LOW > magnetic fields to measure it. > > --- In [hidden email], "Drasko Cvijovic" <pecina@c...> wrote: > > > > A question primarily for Mr. Low :-) and Charles, but any others > contributions are welcome... > > > > I am interested in investigating more on Schumann frequencies... I > > Charles mentioned that Spectran possibly measures such radiations. I > don't think so, but let's hear what Low says... > > > > Star Harmonizer Marc mentioned a weeks ago is allegedly based on > Schumann patterns... > > > > What attracts me most is a possibility of a connection with EEG > patterns... In fact I am planning to buy a small EEG device... (Any > suggestions?) > > > > The main idea is that EEG would enable (almost) objective assesment > of changes that we generaly tend to monitor by dowsing or subjective > reports. I have possibly already mentioned the works of Dr. Vorgucic > who found out that EEG of (reliable!) dowsers and some other people as > well, tends to be changed in the presence of "bad spots". I expect the > same in the presence of EMF. Actually, I have done some tests on > medical equipment some years ago and proved findings of Dr. Klitzing > that EEG changes in the presence of an active mobile phone. (That was > repeated also by other authors later.) Now I would like to do some > more research on my own. > > > > > > Drasko > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > |
No, according to their literature, there are 6 models with various specifications.
The lowest frequency available is 1 MHz Emil ----- Original Message ----- From: Drasko Cvijovic To: [hidden email] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Schumann Isn't there a Spectran for low frequencies, allegedly monitoring down to 1 Hz range?! Drasko ----- Original Message ----- From: "low_emf" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Schumann > What you call the "Schumann-frequency" is mentioned to be a LOW > frequency field so you CANT measure if with a HIGH frequency meter, sorry. > You would need a quite accurate and frequency selective meter for LOW > magnetic fields to measure it. > > --- In [hidden email], "Drasko Cvijovic" <pecina@c...> wrote: > > > > A question primarily for Mr. Low :-) and Charles, but any others > contributions are welcome... > > > > I am interested in investigating more on Schumann frequencies... I > > Charles mentioned that Spectran possibly measures such radiations. I > don't think so, but let's hear what Low says... > > > > Star Harmonizer Marc mentioned a weeks ago is allegedly based on > Schumann patterns... > > > > What attracts me most is a possibility of a connection with EEG > patterns... In fact I am planning to buy a small EEG device... (Any > suggestions?) > > > > The main idea is that EEG would enable (almost) objective assesment > of changes that we generaly tend to monitor by dowsing or subjective > reports. I have possibly already mentioned the works of Dr. Vorgucic > who found out that EEG of (reliable!) dowsers and some other people as > well, tends to be changed in the presence of "bad spots". I expect the > same in the presence of EMF. Actually, I have done some tests on > medical equipment some years ago and proved findings of Dr. Klitzing > that EEG changes in the presence of an active mobile phone. (That was > repeated also by other authors later.) Now I would like to do some > more research on my own. > > > > > > Drasko > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
No that is not right.
There are 12 (twelve) models by Aaronia. There is: HF 2025 HF 2025E HF 4040 HF 4060 HF 6060 HF 6080 They are all intended for High frequency Than we have for Low frequencies: NF 1010 NF 1010E NF 3010 NF 3020 NF 5010 NF 5020 And according to the given specifications from Aaronia, the NF 5010 and NF 5020 should be able to measure from 1 Hz till 1 MHz. Now HF means Hoch Frequenz and NF means Nieder Frequenz, both are German terms. What I do not understand, is that even Emil did not look at the website of Aaronia. If he had done so, he would have known. Of course, our friend Thorsten knows all about that. But I am afraid, that the mentioned NF types are way from ready. They have to concentrate on the HF prototypes first. That is understandable. But they should have been straightforward with that. And that is something unknown by Aaronia. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Less EMF Inc." <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 20:47 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Schumann > No, according to their literature, there are 6 models with various specifications. > The lowest frequency available is 1 MHz > > Emil > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Drasko Cvijovic > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Schumann > > > Isn't there a Spectran for low frequencies, allegedly monitoring down to > Hz range?! > > Drasko |
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Drasco is right. There are even 6 differnt LOW frequency SPECTRAN
meters. Have a look at the aaronia website at: http://www.elektrosmog.de/Spektrumanalysator.htm There you can see the "blue" NF (LOW frequency) series on the left side. But as far as i know they are not available jet. You can only place a preorder at the moment. --- In [hidden email], "Less EMF Inc." <lessemf@l...> wrote: > No, according to their literature, there are 6 models with various specifications. > The lowest frequency available is 1 MHz > > Emil > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Drasko Cvijovic > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Schumann > > > Isn't there a Spectran for low frequencies, allegedly monitoring > Hz range?! > > Drasko > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "low_emf" <low_emf@y...> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:46 AM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Schumann > > > > What you call the "Schumann-frequency" is mentioned to be a LOW > > frequency field so you CANT measure if with a HIGH frequency > > You would need a quite accurate and frequency selective meter for LOW > > magnetic fields to measure it. > > > > --- In [hidden email], "Drasko Cvijovic" <pecina@c...> wrote: > > > > > > A question primarily for Mr. Low :-) and Charles, but any others > > contributions are welcome... > > > > > > I am interested in investigating more on Schumann frequencies... I > > > Charles mentioned that Spectran possibly measures such radiations. I > > don't think so, but let's hear what Low says... > > > > > > Star Harmonizer Marc mentioned a weeks ago is allegedly based on > > Schumann patterns... > > > > > > What attracts me most is a possibility of a connection with EEG > > patterns... In fact I am planning to buy a small EEG device... (Any > > suggestions?) > > > > > > The main idea is that EEG would enable (almost) objective > > of changes that we generaly tend to monitor by dowsing or subjective > > reports. I have possibly already mentioned the works of Dr. Vorgucic > > who found out that EEG of (reliable!) dowsers and some other people as > > well, tends to be changed in the presence of "bad spots". I expect the > > same in the presence of EMF. Actually, I have done some tests on > > medical equipment some years ago and proved findings of Dr. Klitzing > > that EEG changes in the presence of an active mobile phone. (That was > > repeated also by other authors later.) Now I would like to do some > > more research on my own. > > > > > > > > > Drasko > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Mr. Low, So now back to the issue - is there a chance that such a simplified device could monitor so weak changes such as Schumann oscilations?! Drasko ----- Original Message ----- From: "low_emf" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 10:34 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Schumann > Drasco is right. There are even 6 differnt LOW frequency SPECTRAN > meters. Have a look at the aaronia website at: > http://www.elektrosmog.de/Spektrumanalysator.htm > There you can see the "blue" NF (LOW frequency) series on the left > side. But as far as i know they are not available jet. You can only > place a preorder at the moment. > > --- In [hidden email], "Less EMF Inc." <lessemf@l...> wrote: > > No, according to their literature, there are 6 models with various > specifications. > > The lowest frequency available is 1 MHz > > > > Emil > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Drasko Cvijovic > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Schumann > > > > > > Isn't there a Spectran for low frequencies, allegedly monitoring > down to 1 > > Hz range?! > > > > Drasko > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "low_emf" <low_emf@y...> > > To: <[hidden email]> > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:46 AM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Schumann > > > > > > > What you call the "Schumann-frequency" is mentioned to be a LOW > > > frequency field so you CANT measure if with a HIGH frequency > meter, sorry. > > > You would need a quite accurate and frequency selective meter > for LOW > > > magnetic fields to measure it. > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "Drasko Cvijovic" <pecina@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > A question primarily for Mr. Low :-) and Charles, but any others > > > contributions are welcome... > > > > > > > > I am interested in investigating more on Schumann frequencies... I > > > > Charles mentioned that Spectran possibly measures such > radiations. I > > > don't think so, but let's hear what Low says... > > > > > > > > Star Harmonizer Marc mentioned a weeks ago is allegedly based on > > > Schumann patterns... > > > > > > > > What attracts me most is a possibility of a connection with EEG > > > patterns... In fact I am planning to buy a small EEG device... (Any > > > suggestions?) > > > > > > > > The main idea is that EEG would enable (almost) objective > assesment > > > of changes that we generaly tend to monitor by dowsing or > subjective > > > reports. I have possibly already mentioned the works of Dr. Vorgucic > > > who found out that EEG of (reliable!) dowsers and some other > people as > > > well, tends to be changed in the presence of "bad spots". I > expect the > > > same in the presence of EMF. Actually, I have done some tests on > > > medical equipment some years ago and proved findings of Dr. Klitzing > > > that EEG changes in the presence of an active mobile phone. > (That was > > > repeated also by other authors later.) Now I would like to do some > > > more research on my own. > > > > > > > > > > > > Drasko > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > |
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Yes i only have 2 SPECTRNs, i dint say something else and i dont have
a NF-5020 (didnt say so too). As much as i know the "Schuman Freqencies" are very low so propably you are right that you would need a quite big sensor. But i dont know how sensetive the Aaronia sensors are. Propably they are able to measure it, i dont know... --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@m...> wrote: > I repeat my message from 7/11/2005 > > ************* > Now, you only do have only 2 Spectrans? > > You do not have the NF 5020 ? > Which Aaronia claims it can measure from 1 Hz to 1 MHz. > If you want to measure the Schumann frequencies, how do you do that. > Normally one needs enormous big measure probes for that. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "low_emf" <low_emf@y...> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 19:54 > Subject: [eSens] Wrong, i have 2! SPECTRANs > > You are wrong again, Charless: I have 2! SPECTRANS. A HF-2025E and a > > HF-6080 (GRIN). > > ************* > A LOW frequency van be measured with a LOW frequency meter like the > aforementioned NF 5020. > Of which Aaronia claims it can measure from 1 Hz to 1 MHz. > > Now, you all of a sudden do not know the assortment of meters Aaronia > advertises with. > You better look at their website. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "low_emf" <low_emf@y...> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 09:46 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Schumann > > > > What you call the "Schumann-frequency" is mentioned to be a LOW > > frequency field so you CANT measure if with a HIGH frequency > > You would need a quite accurate and frequency selective meter for LOW > > magnetic fields to measure it. > > > > --- In [hidden email], "Drasko Cvijovic" <pecina@c...> wrote: > > > > > > A question primarily for Mr. Low :-) and Charles, but any others > > contributions are welcome... > > > > > > I am interested in investigating more on Schumann frequencies... I > > > Charles mentioned that Spectran possibly measures such radiations. I > > don't think so, but let's hear what Low says... > > > > > > Star Harmonizer Marc mentioned a weeks ago is allegedly based on > > Schumann patterns... > > > > > > What attracts me most is a possibility of a connection with EEG > > patterns... In fact I am planning to buy a small EEG device... (Any > > suggestions?) > > > > > > The main idea is that EEG would enable (almost) objective assesment > > of changes that we generaly tend to monitor by dowsing or subjective > > reports. I have possibly already mentioned the works of Dr. Vorgucic > > who found out that EEG of (reliable!) dowsers and some other people as > > well, tends to be changed in the presence of "bad spots". I expect the > > same in the presence of EMF. Actually, I have done some tests on > > medical equipment some years ago and proved findings of Dr. Klitzing > > that EEG changes in the presence of an active mobile phone. (That was > > repeated also by other authors later.) Now I would like to do some > > more research on my own. > > > > > > > > > Drasko > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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As i stated before i DONT know how sensetive this sensor from Aaronia
is. It seems to be a quite compex 3D-coil with a very high number of turns so it should be VERY sensetive BUT there is no hint on the Aaronia website that it can measure Schuman frequencys. I should better say Schumann FIELDS because the frequency should be no problem ;-) --- In [hidden email], "Drasko Cvijovic" <pecina@c...> wrote: > > Mr. Low, > So now back to the issue - is there a chance that such a simplified device > could monitor so weak changes such as Schumann oscilations?! > > > Drasko > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "low_emf" <low_emf@y...> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 10:34 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Schumann > > > > Drasco is right. There are even 6 differnt LOW frequency SPECTRAN > > meters. Have a look at the aaronia website at: > > http://www.elektrosmog.de/Spektrumanalysator.htm > > There you can see the "blue" NF (LOW frequency) series on the left > > side. But as far as i know they are not available jet. You can only > > place a preorder at the moment. > > > > --- In [hidden email], "Less EMF Inc." <lessemf@l...> wrote: > > > No, according to their literature, there are 6 models with various > > specifications. > > > The lowest frequency available is 1 MHz > > > > > > Emil > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Drasko Cvijovic > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:29 PM > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Schumann > > > > > > > > > Isn't there a Spectran for low frequencies, allegedly monitoring > > down to 1 > > > Hz range?! > > > > > > Drasko > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "low_emf" <low_emf@y...> > > > To: <[hidden email]> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:46 AM > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Schumann > > > > > > > > > > What you call the "Schumann-frequency" is mentioned to be a LOW > > > > frequency field so you CANT measure if with a HIGH frequency > > meter, sorry. > > > > You would need a quite accurate and frequency selective meter > > for LOW > > > > magnetic fields to measure it. > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "Drasko Cvijovic" > > > > > > > > > > A question primarily for Mr. Low :-) and Charles, but any others > > > > contributions are welcome... > > > > > > > > > > I am interested in investigating more on Schumann frequencies... I > > > > > Charles mentioned that Spectran possibly measures such > > radiations. I > > > > don't think so, but let's hear what Low says... > > > > > > > > > > Star Harmonizer Marc mentioned a weeks ago is allegedly based on > > > > Schumann patterns... > > > > > > > > > > What attracts me most is a possibility of a connection with EEG > > > > patterns... In fact I am planning to buy a small EEG device... (Any > > > > suggestions?) > > > > > > > > > > The main idea is that EEG would enable (almost) objective > > assesment > > > > of changes that we generaly tend to monitor by dowsing or > > subjective > > > > reports. I have possibly already mentioned the works of Dr. Vorgucic > > > > who found out that EEG of (reliable!) dowsers and some other > > people as > > > > well, tends to be changed in the presence of "bad spots". I > > expect the > > > > same in the presence of EMF. Actually, I have done some tests on > > > > medical equipment some years ago and proved findings of Dr. Klitzing > > > > that EEG changes in the presence of an active mobile phone. > > (That was > > > > repeated also by other authors later.) Now I would like to do some > > > > more research on my own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drasko > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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