Safe Space II

Hi all,

I got my Safe Space II EMF protection device yesterday, and
am trying it out in various places. One of the first things
for me to find out about an EMF protection device is whether
I can tell that if it is doing *anything* at all -- in many
cases, the answer is no. However, in this case, the answer
is a definite *yes*. However, so far I have not had any
"feel good" feelings from it... it's more of a feeling of
discomfort/tension than anything else. As a result, I've
had to keep it at least 5 feet away from me (it's supposed
to have a 9 foot radius). Also, I tried using my home
computer with this as the *only* device, but the discomfort
was overwhelming within an hour (on the other hand, I can
go on for hours using the computer with just a Springlife
Polarizer pendant).

But again, I've had this less than 12 hours, so it's too
soon to reach any meaningful conclusion, as I need to try
it out in various places and at various distances from me,
and also try combining it with other devices. Plus, I may
just need to get used to it (it tooks me weeks to get
used to the Springlife Polarizers)

So far I haven't gotten any panic-attacks or chest pains
from it, which is a fairly common reaction I get from
EMF protection devices.

Also, here is yet another website describing the devices.
I believe this is the manufacturers website:

http://www.dimensionaldesign.com/environment/environment.html

Given how strong this is, I'm thinking that perhaps I should
have instead gotten an Environmental Protection Card.

Marc

Hi all,

Okay, I've had the Safe Space II for about 48 hours, and
that's enough of that -- I'm getting rid of it.

After trying it for about an hour on the second day,
I had a lingering "burning face" effect that lasted
for hours afterwards. I made another attempt today
with having it about 5 feet from me, and within
minutes I felt wierd (hard to describe, but like
there was an earthquake going on inside of me), plus
I'm getting lingering muscle aches in my arms, legs,
chest, etc., and just feel uncomfortable in general.

Since I don't like these side effects, I've gotten it
out of the house.

I realize that a bad initial reaction may just be
a detox reaction, but I think it's still too powerful
to have in the house, especially since I have sensitive
cats which react badly to anything that's really
strong.

As for whether or not I'll try and see if they've got
a weaker product to try out, I'm not sure... I'm
not sure if this product line is really good for
me, or whether it is "energetic poison"...

Marc

Hi Marc

What actually is this device, and how does it work? Knowing this would
help one understand why such a reaction.

Sarah


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Hi all,

Okay, I've had the Safe Space II for about 48 hours, and
that's enough of that -- I'm getting rid of it.

After trying it for about an hour on the second day,
I had a lingering "burning face" effect that lasted
for hours afterwards. I made another attempt today
with having it about 5 feet from me, and within
minutes I felt wierd (hard to describe, but like
there was an earthquake going on inside of me), plus
I'm getting lingering muscle aches in my arms, legs,
chest, etc., and just feel uncomfortable in general.

Since I don't like these side effects, I've gotten it
out of the house.

I realize that a bad initial reaction may just be
a detox reaction, but I think it's still too powerful
to have in the house, especially since I have sensitive
cats which react badly to anything that's really
strong.

As for whether or not I'll try and see if they've got
a weaker product to try out, I'm not sure... I'm
not sure if this product line is really good for
me, or whether it is "energetic poison"...

Marc


 
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> What actually is this device, and how does it work? Knowing this would
> help one understand why such a reaction.

It's supposed to be a Quantum Physics-type device that sends out
coherent energy to neutralize the incoherent energy found in man-made
EMF. From the description, it sounds just like the stuff from
Quantum Products, but I don't recall ever having such a nasty
reaction to those, and the great thing about the Quantum Products
is that when you've overdone it, you just turn the things off.

When something is too strong and has no "off" switch, the only
thing I can do is get it out of the house.

Marc

Do we know what the technology is? I understand it would probably emit
a high frequency, (to couterract other lower frequencies)which would
create the burning senstion - but I am interested in how this frequency
is created...

I remember having such a device once and had no way of switching it off
and didn't want to throw it out in case it started playing havoc with
someone else - I think its stil stored somewhere in the building I work
in.

Sarah



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Marc Martin
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2005 4:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [eSens] Safe Space II


> What actually is this device, and how does it work? Knowing this
> would help one understand why such a reaction.

It's supposed to be a Quantum Physics-type device that sends out
coherent energy to neutralize the incoherent energy found in man-made
EMF. From the description, it sounds just like the stuff from Quantum
Products, but I don't recall ever having such a nasty reaction to those,
and the great thing about the Quantum Products is that when you've
overdone it, you just turn the things off.

When something is too strong and has no "off" switch, the only thing I
can do is get it out of the house.

Marc


 
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Hello Marc,

is it possible, that this Safe Space II thing interacts with all the other
gadgets you have overthere?

I mean, alone it could perhaps work as it should, but starts emitting when
the other things like the Polarizer are around.

Perhaps you should try it outside without the other things.

Just my 2 cents.

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Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 07:58
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> is it possible, that this Safe Space II thing interacts with all the other
> gadgets you have over there?

It's possible -- however, like I said, I tried the Safe Space II without
the Polarizers around initially to see if it helped computer tolerance.
However, all it did was give me a bad reaction. And the Quantum Products
are turned off. I don't keep any other gadgets in the house, because
the cats are sensitive.

The main problem for me is that it's obviously too strong for me. There
are products from the Springlife Polarizer and Quantum Product line that
are too strong for me as well, and I avoid these too. But the
advantages are that the Springlife Polarizers don't seem to have as large
of an effective radius, and the Quantum Products can be turned off. Also,
the side effects of overdoing these aren't as alarming (I still feel wierd,
and the Safe Space II has been out of the house for almost 12 hours)

Marc

Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison) wrote:
> Do we know what the technology is? I understand it would probably emit
> a high frequency, (to couterract other lower frequencies)which would
> create the burning senstion - but I am interested in how this frequency
> is created...

I've posted some links to various websites describing these devices in
the past week, but I'm not sure that any of them answer your question.

> I remember having such a device once and had no way of switching it off
> and didn't want to throw it out in case it started playing havoc with
> someone else - I think its stil stored somewhere in the building I work
> in.

I figure that if I throw it out, it'll end up in a garbage dump somewhere,
so it's not likely to be bothering anyone else. Besides, in experiments
that I've done with other devices, I've found that I am extremely bothered
by things that my wife doesn't notice at all. Also, it's very rare
that my coworkers notice anything that I'm experimenting with. (the
only exception was that the guy who sits next to me noticed a slight
difference when I brought in a Quantum Pro)

Marc

Hi Marc,

this eartquake feeling i experience in prayer meditation sometimes and the strongest when i had a distance healer do her thing. i feel it is the energetic poison in our etheric bodies (nadis) that give the trouble, (basically our "sins") lower energies get narly when you are about to get rid off them. sometimes i feel it is not me but these lower energies reacting to the power-lines..

anyway. can't you send this thing to costa rica (or to someone else on the list??) would love to try it out!! ;0)

ems to meMarc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi all,

Okay, I've had the Safe Space II for about 48 hours, and
that's enough of that -- I'm getting rid of it.

After trying it for about an hour on the second day,
I had a lingering "burning face" effect that lasted
for hours afterwards. I made another attempt today
with having it about 5 feet from me, and within
minutes I felt wierd (hard to describe, but like
there was an earthquake going on inside of me), plus
I'm getting lingering muscle aches in my arms, legs,
chest, etc., and just feel uncomfortable in general.

Since I don't like these side effects, I've gotten it
out of the house.

I realize that a bad initial reaction may just be
a detox reaction, but I think it's still too powerful
to have in the house, especially since I have sensitive
cats which react badly to anything that's really
strong.

As for whether or not I'll try and see if they've got
a weaker product to try out, I'm not sure... I'm
not sure if this product line is really good for
me, or whether it is "energetic poison"...

Marc


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> i feel it is
> the energetic poison in our etheric bodies (nadis) that give the trouble,
> (basically our "sins") lower energies get narly when you are about to get
> rid off them.

That's very similar to the reply I got from lighthealing.com after I had
a similarly bad reaction to their "personal rejuvenizer" pendant.

I don't doubt that these pendants are stirring up some "bad stuff" in
me, but the question is how to get rid of the bad stuff without killing
yourself in the process!

Marc

but the question is how to get rid of the bad stuff without killing
yourself in the process!

Hi Marc thanks for that safe space thingie. it arrived and it seems pretty strong and good had it for some days now, still need to experiment more. right now i use it to pull out these strands of energy i have tried to describe, in combination with tachyon and prayer. the energy somes out with force and takes a lot of hairs with. (find only one biblical reference for this, and they are coming out of the back of my head)oh well, still have lots of hair to go i guess, and the bandana's are still very much norm around here. thinking about dreading it and becoming a bobo//

oh lord Jesus, protect me love me free/

sorry have been having a bit of a rough one. funny how you can fight better with symptoms than without.

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Hi all,

some of you have mentioned psychic attack and i would be interested in receiving (detailed) accounts personally.

Have read that "it" enters at the left side of the body and wonder if those wearing protection devises notice a difference between wearing then in left or right pockets.

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> Hi Marc thanks for that safe space thingie. it arrived and it seems
> pretty strong and good had it for some days now, still need to experiment
> more.

Ellen, glad to hear the Safe Space II arrived! So, do find this thing
tolerable? Does it help any with your EMF tolerance?

So, do you think the energy that this thing is producing is
good/healthy?
I can't always tell if my bad reactions are due to the negative
energy of the device, or that the device is mobilizing negative
energy in me...

Marc

> Hi Marc thanks for that safe space thingie.

By the way, I called up the Safe Space people, and spoke with
someone about my bad reaction to their Safe Space II. She said
that I must either have a very toxic environment, or I must be
really sensitive. She suggested that I treat a glass of
water with the Safe Space II, and then use that glass of water
as EMF protection by sitting it next to the computer (too late,
since I don't have the card now anyway, but Ellen might want
to try this).

I asked if they had anything more tolerable/weaker, and she
suggested that I try their energy strip attached to my fusebox
or one of the personal protection cards which shields from energy --
she specifically said that the protectoplex or the environmental
protection card works well for many people. I asked her if these
cards shield against beneficial energies, and she said no.
Personally, I'd rather have a portable solution, since most
of the big EMF challenges are in areas outside of my house.
Also, she said that the cards were quite different from the
Safe Space devices -- the cards act as shields against negative
energy, while the Safe Space devices alter the electricity
to make it more beneficial.

I don't know if I'll buy anything else from this company or
not... just passing along the info from the conversation...

Marc

yes i do think it is "good energy" and it helps pulling out the energy that i suspect causes me to be ES. ( I have so far just used it in a way it is not intended, behind my left ear..) have read in ascension sites that this is not true, but i feel it will be as the more of this energy i pull out the better i feel have been almost symtom free for months. there probably will be a way to spot the "bad and lower energies" but i do feel it will not affect me anymore likre it has.

in fact it hardly ever does anymore and psychic attack, or whatever it is, has reduced from constant to pretty much nil as well. so i have every reason to be smiling and for some reason do not these days.. (have been drinking and smoking way too much and maybe not so good for crystallizing consciousness, to clonk out unconsious.. as lower energies start pulling then.. feel this happens sometimes during operation unconsiousness.or maybe just hanging on to old judgement.

. they have not pulled more on me though, just no progress, but really feel fine// almost there. but when and where?? ohoh guess not there yet.


Love and Light

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Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi Marc thanks for that safe space thingie. it arrived and it seems
> pretty strong and good had it for some days now, still need to experiment
> more.

Ellen, glad to hear the Safe Space II arrived! So, do find this thing
tolerable? Does it help any with your EMF tolerance?

So, do you think the energy that this thing is producing is
good/healthy?
I can't always tell if my bad reactions are due to the negative
energy of the device, or that the device is mobilizing negative
energy in me...

Marc


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> yes i do think it is "good energy" and it helps pulling out the energy
> that i suspect causes me to be ES. ( I have so far just used it in a way
> it is not intended, behind my left ear..)

Yes, I often end up using devices in ways that are not mentioned in
the instructions. :-)

Note that the Safe Space company states on their website that this
particular device is not intended for use on the body... even in
my brief phone call with them, after I mentioned that I was having
a bad reaction to it, the first thing they said was "You're NOT
using on the body, are you?". They seemed a bit horrified by
this possibility...

Marc

Hello,

I have a stronger sensibility to such attacks and so gemstones do not
protect. Other devices I have not tested. But shielding against
electromagnetic radiation can reduce their strenghth or cut them.

Randolf

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> Hi all,
>
> some of you have mentioned psychic attack and i would be interested
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>
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