Re: vibrating at night and B12

Hi Diane
 
This is very interesting and you obviously know a lot about how cells work etc which I am interested to learn about - it all makes sense when you set it out that way. I wonder what you will make of my odd experiences with calcium since I got this post from you on this. I was taking a formulation which gave me about 800mg calcium and 260 mg magnesium per day - that bottle ran out and I had to go to the little health shop in the village near where I am staying which has a very limited stock. So I got a chewable calcium which gives about 800mg calcium per day and I thought it had magnesium in it too [since I wouldn't take one without the other] but I was in a bad way and fairly desperate when I bought the stuff and it is only after reading your post that having looked at the container I see that it includes magnesiumstearate as a constituent ingredient but it doesn't list its quantity or give it as a percentage of RDA so it must be so low as not to warrant
giving a figure for it. and the really odd thing???? In the last 2/3 weekssince I have been taking it I have been better [at least in ES terms] lessvibrations, and less pain. In the 6 or 7 days prior to taking the new formulation when I wasn't taking any cal/mag at all I was in a lot of joint pain - espec knees hips and ankles. I would wake up in the morning with pain in my lower back as if my bones and hips were lying directly on the bed slats, and since starting on the new stuff [with only a very little magnesium] that hasn't happened - Weird or what?
 
Since then I have sent away for another formulation which gives 400mg calcium and 200mg magnesium per capsule so I am going to try an experiment - I will take the  400mg calcium/ 200mg magnesium in the morning and at night time I will take the chewable 400mg calcium which will give me a daily intake of 800mg calcium and 200mg magnesium and see what happens. I'll report back soon on this.
 
And how are you getting on with manganese? I totally get the science behindtaking it [in terms of the cells and calcium but I wonder why you aren't getting results with using it? I came across andrew goldsworthy's email address somewhere [I think I just googled him and it came up] Do you think if someone emailed him on the manganese issue he might have an idea?
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Thu, 26/2/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, 26 February, 2009, 11:15 PM






Hi again, Steph,
 
Dr. Hadjivassiliou, did you mean?  or Byron Hyde?  I didn't know eitherof them were into ES at all!  Interesting.  It has been awhile (9 mos plus) since I have read Dr. H's research--note to self, do that--and about a decade since I checked out Byron's info.  Since Dr. H discovered the tj permeability gene, I thought he might be inclined to look into es.  I did read Dr. Andrew Goldsworthy' s site after you sent it to me.  Yes, I have been under the impression that some problem with calcium comes into play (at least for me personally) and on computer searches I did a month ago, have come up with some new info on tj permeability research.  It seemsthat taking more calcium doesn't always help the problem according to new research.  I think I need to study the acu-cell info Snoshoe sent better before doing anything more--right and left hand charges to the various minerals, etc.  Great reading, but I'd need to really study it to work out how
calcium and manganese, etc inter-react.  (Btw, Loni, if you are reading along--this might be why you cannot take minerals.  So if you haven't check out the site Snoshoe sent re Acu-cell mineral readings, you might get info there that helps you.) 
 
In recent tj research, researchers working on rabbits (I believe--it was a month ago when I read this) found that more calcium just went into the cells rather than closing the tjs when they added calcium.  So they tried other minerals and found manganese closes the tjs.  Let me back up a little,as I am assuming anyone here reading understands the basic concepts of tj permeability.  First, calcium concentration has to be greater on the outside of the cells than the inside of cells and this state must be maintained or the tjs will open and not close.  But once they are opened and don't close, adding more calcium doesn't seem to restore balance to close them--but manganese will.  Adding more calcium just causes more calcium to enter the inside of the cells.  I have about a dozen tj research studies Ican send the group, but I wasn't sure anyone was interested in this.  Doyou want me to send them?  I kept them in a folder to go back to.  I'd
have to read them all again to actually find the one that had the manganeseinfo tho.
 
I know there has to be a calcium problem with me--I just cannot get enough.  I could take calcium AEP every hour forever.  Works great, but only temporarily and then I am back to square 1.  I also know it is targetting my adrenals/autonomic nervous system in various ways--es symptoms of all types seem much better or remit entirely if I throw enough calcium AEP at them.  I know how calcium works to maintain tj closings in normal situations and that gluten intolerance can cause this to malfunction on agrand, and sometimes irreversible,  scale and I know that emfs may also cause bbb tjs to malfunction in the same way.  So it seemed relatively straight forward that if I took manganese I would see a difference.  HOWEVER, I tried it and didn't see anything at all.  SOOOOO....  I evidently am missing something big.  lol  (Hey, doctors haven't figuredit out either!)  ;)  Granted I may need to play around with this abit--so I am not
totally
bummed about it.  Yet.  The concept needs work.  ;) 
 
As to B12--there are no upper limits (at least not last I checked) but necessary need is seemingly small for normal adults--1 mcg/day.  So I wouldnot double 2000mcgs; tho you are saying this is IU not mcgs, so I am not sure how to convert this.  Also, I personally take B12 only sublingually, since people with lack of intrinsic factor cannot digest it properly (and this is one of the biggest causes of deficiency-- lack of ability to digest it).  Celiacs are among those with B12 digestion problems.  I generallykeep my B12 supplementation to 1000mcgs sublingually.  (I just think if you haven't gotten it at 1000X the normal need, what are you going to accomplish with more than that?  lol  Of course, I nearly died from pernicious anemia without taking supplements.  So you do need to address the problem of digestion and why you are deficient to begin with.  If you take itunder the tongue, you are by-passing digestion entirely.)
 
Calcium upper limits are 2000 to 2500mg and upper limits are 350mg for magnesium.  So your supplement as is, is a bit over the upper limit for magnesium.  You can take this for a month or so, but should not take it long term over the upper limit.  Since it is a mineral, I personally would not take it long term at this amount--it could lead to other mineral or trace mineral deficiencies  by comparison.  If this has helped you, tho, start looking for a pill you can take 3X within the upper limits, (but high--at the upper limits).  You can finish the bottle you now have--no need to toss it. 
 
Hope this helps,
Diane

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 8:10 AM

Hi Diane
 
THis guy you are recommending seems to be suggesting the same thing as Dr Andrew Goldworthy - who also seems to be talking about ES and tj permeabiity[he believes that calcium could be a treatment since he likens ES with a condition called hypercalcaemia and says the treatment for one could be the same for the other!] - he is also worth a google - Thanks Diane - I will google your guy too when I can be on the computer for longer.
 
THanks for the tip re the Vit B12 - I have been taking 2000iu for the last 8 weeks [based on research posted on the pro-health site] one in the morning one in the evening - is that too much?
 
I also read great research re vitamin D on the Weston price foundation website and am taking 1000iu of vitamin D3 per day [in the morning] and am now splitting up the calcium /magnesium into 3 parts as recommended on his siteand the dosing instructiion on the bottle - it is giving 1000mg cacium and400mg magnesium per day - I hope it is not too much because I have noticedan improvement in pain levels since I started to take it.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 

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I'm not up to speed on all these messages, but am looking at some tonight.

What I recall on manganese, if taken with SOD - which I have, is useful forrepairing tendons - tendonitis.

I also recall in some search finding that SOD binds more with different minerals depending on your ethnic background. In Mexican descent they are muchhigher in the manganese/sod than others, I don't recall what the rest of use, or where I found it, as tendonitis was what I was looking for at the time. It might be useful to search what SOD binds with in your ethnicity, what mineral would be more required.

What may help the Ca-AEP, or just plain calcium stick where it should longer is eating plenty of leafy greens, or taking some supplemental vitamin K.

K is suppose to help prevent calcium from laying down in the soft tissues, blood vessels, causing unwanted calcifications where they don't belong, andputting it where it does. I plan to try taking some of that with the AEP next time I can buy some, and see if I get more lasting results, i.e. less vibrating in the head when cell phones or satellites come thru.

Don't forget to keep an eye on your blood viscosity taking it, if you already have thick blood!

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote:

.... got this post from you on this. I was taking a formulation which
gave me about
800mg calcium and 260 mg magnesium per day - ...

when you mention 800 mg calcium id referred to weight on Ca++ (as
element) or to the compund molecular ; if so, which is ?

Same for Mg



Thanks Giorgio




--- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Diane
>
> This is very interesting and you obviously know a lot about how cells
work etc which I am interested to learn about - it all makes sense when
you set it out that way. I wonder what you will make of my odd
experiences with calcium since I got this post from you on this. I was
taking a formulation which gave me about 800mg calcium and 260 mg
magnesium per day - that bottle ran out and I had to go to the little
health shop in the village near where I am staying which has a very
limited stock. So I got a chewable calcium which gives about 800mg
calcium per day and I thought it had magnesium in it too [since I
wouldn't take one without the other] but I was in a bad way and fairly
desperate when I bought the stuff and it is only after reading your post
that having looked at the container I see that it includes magnesium
stearate as a constituent ingredient but it doesn't list its quantity or
give it as a percentage of RDA so it must be so low as not to warrant
> giving a figure for it. and the really odd thing???? In the last 2/3
weeks since I have been taking it I have been better [at least in ES
terms] less vibrations, and less pain. In the 6 or 7 days prior to
taking the new formulation when I wasn't taking any cal/mag at all I was
in a lot of joint pain - espec knees hips and ankles. I would wake up in
the morning with pain in my lower back as if my bones and hips were
lying directly on the bed slats, and since starting on the new stuff
[with only a very little magnesium] that hasn't happened - Weird or
what?
>
> Since then I have sent away for another formulation which gives 400mg
calcium and 200mg magnesium per capsule so I am going to try an
experiment - I will take the 400mg calcium/ 200mg magnesium in the
morning and at night time I will take the chewable 400mg calcium which
will give me a daily intake of 800mg calcium and 200mg magnesium and see
what happens. I'll report back soon on this.
>
> And how are you getting on with manganese? I totally get the science
behind taking it [in terms of the cells and calcium but I wonder why you
aren't getting results with using it? I came across andrew goldsworthy's
email address somewhere [I think I just googled him and it came up] Do
you think if someone emailed him on the manganese issue he might have an
idea? either of them were into ES at all! Interesting. It has been awhile (9
mos plus) since I have read Dr. H's research--note to self, do that--and
about a decade since I checked out Byron's info. Since Dr. H discovered
the tj permeability gene, I thought he might be inclined to look into
es. I did read Dr. Andrew Goldsworthy' s site after you sent it to me.
Yes, I have been under the impression that some problem with calcium
comes into play (at least for me personally) and on computer searches I
did a month ago, have come up with some new info on tj permeability
research. It seems that taking more calcium doesn't always help the
problem according to new research. I think I need to study the acu-cell
info Snoshoe sent better before doing anything more--right and left hand
charges to the various minerals, etc. Great reading, but I'd need to
really study it to work out how
> calcium and manganese, etc inter-react. (Btw, Loni, if you are
reading along--this might be why you cannot take minerals. So if you
haven't check out the site Snoshoe sent re Acu-cell mineral readings,
you might get info there that helps you.)
>
> In recent tj research, researchers working on rabbits (I believe--it
was a month ago when I read this) found that more calcium just went into
the cells rather than closing the tjs when they added calcium. So they
tried other minerals and found manganese closes the tjs. Let me back up
a little, as I am assuming anyone here reading understands the basic
concepts of tj permeability. First, calcium concentration has to be
greater on the outside of the cells than the inside of cells and this
state must be maintained or the tjs will open and not close. But once
they are opened and don't close, adding more calcium doesn't seem to
restore balance to close them--but manganese will. Adding more calcium
just causes more calcium to enter the inside of the cells. I have about
a dozen tj research studies I can send the group, but I wasn't sure
anyone was interested in this. Do you want me to send them? I kept
them in a folder to go back to. I'd
> have to read them all again to actually find the one that had the
manganese info tho.
>
> I know there has to be a calcium problem with me--I just cannot get
enough. I could take calcium AEP every hour forever. Works great, but
only temporarily and then I am back to square 1. I also know it is
targetting my adrenals/autonomic nervous system in various ways--es
symptoms of all types seem much better or remit entirely if I throw
enough calcium AEP at them. I know how calcium works to maintain tj
closings in normal situations and that gluten intolerance can cause this
to malfunction on a grand, and sometimes irreversible, scale and I know
that emfs may also cause bbb tjs to malfunction in the same way. So it
seemed relatively straight forward that if I took manganese I would see
a difference. HOWEVER, I tried it and didn't see anything at all.
SOOOOO.... I evidently am missing something big. lol (Hey, doctors
haven't figured it out either!) ;) Granted I may need to play around
with this abit--so I am not
> totally
> bummed about it. Yet. The concept needs work. ;)
>
> As to B12--there are no upper limits (at least not last I checked) but
necessary need is seemingly small for normal adults--1 mcg/day. So I
would not double 2000mcgs; tho you are saying this is IU not mcgs, so I
am not sure how to convert this. Also, I personally take B12 only
sublingually, since people with lack of intrinsic factor cannot digest
it properly (and this is one of the biggest causes of deficiency-- lack
of ability to digest it). Celiacs are among those with B12 digestion
problems. I generally keep my B12 supplementation to 1000mcgs
sublingually. (I just think if you haven't gotten it at 1000X the
normal need, what are you going to accomplish with more than that? lol
Of course, I nearly died from pernicious anemia without taking
supplements. So you do need to address the problem of digestion and why
you are deficient to begin with. If you take it under the tongue, you
are by-passing digestion entirely.)
>
> Calcium upper limits are 2000 to 2500mg and upper limits are 350mg for
magnesium. So your supplement as is, is a bit over the upper limit for
magnesium. You can take this for a month or so, but should not take it
long term over the upper limit. Since it is a mineral, I personally
would not take it long term at this amount--it could lead to other
mineral or trace mineral deficiencies by comparison. If this has
helped you, tho, start looking for a pill you can take 3X within the
upper limits, (but high--at the upper limits). You can finish the
bottle you now have--no need to toss it. Dr Andrew Goldworthy - who also seems to be talking about ES and tj
permeabiity [he believes that calcium could be a treatment since he
likens ES with a condition called hypercalcaemia and says the treatment
for one could be the same for the other!] - he is also worth a google -
Thanks Diane - I will google your guy too when I can be on the computer
for longer.
>
> THanks for the tip re the Vit B12 - I have been taking 2000iu for the
last 8 weeks [based on research posted on the pro-health site] one in
the morning one in the evening - is that too much?
>
> I also read great research re vitamin D on the Weston price foundation
website and am taking 1000iu of vitamin D3 per day [in the morning] and
am now splitting up the calcium /magnesium into 3 parts as recommended
on his site and the dosing instructiion on the bottle - it is giving
1000mg cacium and 400mg magnesium per day - I hope it is not too much
because I have noticed an improvement in pain levels since I started to
take it.

Hi Snoshoe
 
I am about to expose my ignorance here in a huge way, but what is SOD? its probably something blindingly obvious but I can't work it out at the minute[LOL]. That is good to know about the leafy greens and vitamin K - I am a bit worried that I am taking in more calcium in supplement form than I previously would have been [the current experimental combination seems to be working well at the moment], and that it coudl deposit in the wrong places causing even more problems in the longer term. I haven't been as good on eating the leafy greens as I should have been, other than salad and some spinach.  How much vitamin K would you need to take in suplement form?
 
THanks for this info.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 17/4/09, snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Manganese/Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 17 April, 2009, 4:27 AM








I'm not up to speed on all these messages, but am looking at some tonight.

What I recall on manganese, if taken with SOD - which I have, is useful forrepairing tendons - tendonitis.

I also recall in some search finding that SOD binds more with different minerals depending on your ethnic background. In Mexican descent they are muchhigher in the manganese/sod than others, I don't recall what the rest of use, or where I found it, as tendonitis was what I was looking for at the time. It might be useful to search what SOD binds with in your ethnicity, what mineral would be more required.

What may help the Ca-AEP, or just plain calcium stick where it should longer is eating plenty of leafy greens, or taking some supplemental vitamin K.

K is suppose to help prevent calcium from laying down in the soft tissues, blood vessels, causing unwanted calcifications where they don't belong, andputting it where it does. I plan to try taking some of that with the AEP next time I can buy some, and see if I get more lasting results, i.e. less vibrating in the head when cell phones or satellites come thru.

Don't forget to keep an eye on your blood viscosity taking it, if you already have thick blood!

~ Snoshoe

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Stephanie Smith <reader41@.. .> wrote:
>
> Hi Diane
>  
> This is very interesting and you obviously know a lot about how cells work etc which I am interested to learn about - it all makes sense when you set it out that way. I wonder what you will make of my odd experiences with calcium since I got this post from you on this. I was taking a formulation which gave me about 800mg calcium and 260 mg magnesium per day - that bottleran out and I had to go to the little health shop in the village near where I am staying which has a very limited stock. So I got a chewable calcium which gives about 800mg calcium per day and I thought it had magnesium in it too [since I wouldn't take one without the other] but I was in a bad way and fairly desperate when I bought the stuff and it is only after reading your post that having looked at the container I see that it includes magnesium stearate as a constituent ingredient but it doesn't list its quantity orgive it as a percentage of RDA so it must be so low as not to
warrant
















     

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Hi Giorgio.
 
I'm not sure if this is what you are asking, but all I have to go on is theinformation on the back of the capsule bottle and the calcium i am taking says that each capsule contains 400mg calcium and the magnesium bottle saysthat each capsule contains 200mg magnesium -so based on that information and with me taking 1 mag cap and 2 calcioum caps per day I should be taking in 800mg calcium and 200mg magnesium' - is this what you were asking?
 
Best wishes
Steph

--- On Fri, 17/4/09, giorgio <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: giorgio <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 17 April, 2009, 1:05 PM









..... got this post from you on this. I was taking a formulation which
gave me about
800mg calcium and 260 mg magnesium per day - ...

when you mention 800 mg calcium id referred to weight on Ca++ (as
element) or to the compund molecular ; if so, which is ?

Same for Mg

Thanks Giorgio

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Stephanie Smith <reader41@.. .> wrote:
>
> Hi Diane
>
> This is very interesting and you obviously know a lot about how cells
work etc which I am interested to learn about - it all makes sense when
you set it out that way. I wonder what you will make of my odd
experiences with calcium since I got this post from you on this. I was
taking a formulation which gave me about 800mg calcium and 260 mg
magnesium per day - that bottle ran out and I had to go to the little
health shop in the village near where I am staying which has a very
limited stock. So I got a chewable calcium which gives about 800mg
calcium per day and I thought it had magnesium in it too [since I
wouldn't take one without the other] but I was in a bad way and fairly
desperate when I bought the stuff and it is only after reading your post
that having looked at the container I see that it includes magnesium
stearate as a constituent ingredient but it doesn't list its quantity or
give it as a percentage of RDA so it must be so low as not to warrant
> giving a figure for it. and the really odd thing???? In the last 2/3
weeks since I have been taking it I have been better [at least in ES
terms] less vibrations, and less pain. In the 6 or 7 days prior to
taking the new formulation when I wasn't taking any cal/mag at all I was
in a lot of joint pain - espec knees hips and ankles. I would wake up in
the morning with pain in my lower back as if my bones and hips were
lying directly on the bed slats, and since starting on the new stuff
[with only a very little magnesium] that hasn't happened - Weird or
what?
>
> Since then I have sent away for another formulation which gives 400mg
calcium and 200mg magnesium per capsule so I am going to try an
experiment - I will take the 400mg calcium/ 200mg magnesium in the
morning and at night time I will take the chewable 400mg calcium which
will give me a daily intake of 800mg calcium and 200mg magnesium and see
what happens. I'll report back soon on this.
>
> And how are you getting on with manganese? I totally get the science
behind taking it [in terms of the cells and calcium but I wonder why you
aren't getting results with using it? I came across andrew goldsworthy' s
email address somewhere [I think I just googled him and it came up] Do
you think if someone emailed him on the manganese issue he might have an
idea? either of them were into ES at all! Interesting. It has been awhile (9
mos plus) since I have read Dr. H's research--note to self, do that--and
about a decade since I checked out Byron's info. Since Dr. H discovered
the tj permeability gene, I thought he might be inclined to look into
es. I did read Dr. Andrew Goldsworthy' s site after you sent it to me.
Yes, I have been under the impression that some problem with calcium
comes into play (at least for me personally) and on computer searches I
did a month ago, have come up with some new info on tj permeability
research. It seems that taking more calcium doesn't always help the
problem according to new research. I think I need to study the acu-cell
info Snoshoe sent better before doing anything more--right and left hand
charges to the various minerals, etc. Great reading, but I'd need to
really study it to work out how
> calcium and manganese, etc inter-react. (Btw, Loni, if you are
reading along--this might be why you cannot take minerals. So if you
haven't check out the site Snoshoe sent re Acu-cell mineral readings,
you might get info there that helps you.)
>
> In recent tj research, researchers working on rabbits (I believe--it
was a month ago when I read this) found that more calcium just went into
the cells rather than closing the tjs when they added calcium. So they
tried other minerals and found manganese closes the tjs. Let me back up
a little, as I am assuming anyone here reading understands the basic
concepts of tj permeability. First, calcium concentration has to be
greater on the outside of the cells than the inside of cells and this
state must be maintained or the tjs will open and not close. But once
they are opened and don't close, adding more calcium doesn't seem to
restore balance to close them--but manganese will. Adding more calcium
just causes more calcium to enter the inside of the cells. I have about
a dozen tj research studies I can send the group, but I wasn't sure
anyone was interested in this. Do you want me to send them? I kept
them in a folder to go back to. I'd
> have to read them all again to actually find the one that had the
manganese info tho.
>
> I know there has to be a calcium problem with me--I just cannot get
enough. I could take calcium AEP every hour forever. Works great, but
only temporarily and then I am back to square 1. I also know it is
targetting my adrenals/autonomic nervous system in various ways--es
symptoms of all types seem much better or remit entirely if I throw
enough calcium AEP at them. I know how calcium works to maintain tj
closings in normal situations and that gluten intolerance can cause this
to malfunction on a grand, and sometimes irreversible, scale and I know
that emfs may also cause bbb tjs to malfunction in the same way. So it
seemed relatively straight forward that if I took manganese I would see
a difference. HOWEVER, I tried it and didn't see anything at all.
SOOOOO.... I evidently am missing something big. lol (Hey, doctors
haven't figured it out either!) ;) Granted I may need to play around
with this abit--so I am not
> totally
> bummed about it. Yet. The concept needs work. ;)
>
> As to B12--there are no upper limits (at least not last I checked) but
necessary need is seemingly small for normal adults--1 mcg/day. So I
would not double 2000mcgs; tho you are saying this is IU not mcgs, so I
am not sure how to convert this. Also, I personally take B12 only
sublingually, since people with lack of intrinsic factor cannot digest
it properly (and this is one of the biggest causes of deficiency-- lack
of ability to digest it). Celiacs are among those with B12 digestion
problems. I generally keep my B12 supplementation to 1000mcgs
sublingually. (I just think if you haven't gotten it at 1000X the
normal need, what are you going to accomplish with more than that? lol
Of course, I nearly died from pernicious anemia without taking
supplements. So you do need to address the problem of digestion and why
you are deficient to begin with. If you take it under the tongue, you
are by-passing digestion entirely.)
>
> Calcium upper limits are 2000 to 2500mg and upper limits are 350mg for
magnesium. So your supplement as is, is a bit over the upper limit for
magnesium. You can take this for a month or so, but should not take it
long term over the upper limit. Since it is a mineral, I personally
would not take it long term at this amount--it could lead to other
mineral or trace mineral deficiencies by comparison. If this has
helped you, tho, start looking for a pill you can take 3X within the
upper limits, (but high--at the upper limits). You can finish the
bottle you now have--no need to toss it. Dr Andrew Goldworthy - who also seems to be talking about ES and tj
permeabiity [he believes that calcium could be a treatment since he
likens ES with a condition called hypercalcaemia and says the treatment
for one could be the same for the other!] - he is also worth a google -
Thanks Diane - I will google your guy too when I can be on the computer
for longer.
>
> THanks for the tip re the Vit B12 - I have been taking 2000iu for the
last 8 weeks [based on research posted on the pro-health site] one in
the morning one in the evening - is that too much?
>
> I also read great research re vitamin D on the Weston price foundation
website and am taking 1000iu of vitamin D3 per day [in the morning] and
am now splitting up the calcium /magnesium into 3 parts as recommended
on his site and the dosing instructiion on the bottle - it is giving
1000mg cacium and 400mg magnesium per day - I hope it is not too much
because I have noticed an improvement in pain levels since I started to
take it.
















     

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> I am about to expose my ignorance here in a huge way, but what is SOD?
> its probably something blindingly obvious

It could be superoxide dismutase, but that isn't something that I would
call blindingly obvious... :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superoxide_dismutase

Marc

Thanks Steph

which Ca is ? Calcium Carbonate or Calcium glycerofosphate ?  
I'm sure this information should be reported in the bottle's lable.

My regards Giorgio
 
--- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote:

> which Ca is ? Calcium Carbonate or Calcium glycerofosphate ?
> I'm sure this information should be reported in the bottle's lable.

Supposedly Calcium Lactate is the easiest to absorb, in that
it requires the fewest biochemical transformations to be
usable to the body, and it also does not require a specific
pH in the intestine to be absorbed.

Marc

Hi, Steph,
 
Sorry to reply so late to this.  My dad has been particularly ill and keeping me busy caring for his needs.  I wouldn't say I am particularly knowledgeable on cells, Steph!  I just try to be.  ;)  Thanks for the complements, however misguided, tho.  lol   
 
Steph, the experience you had with the cal/mag supplement is probably dueto too much magnesium previously!  This is probably alot of the reasons why we esers react the ways we do--our supplementation/diet is somewhat outof wack--either we have abnormal needs to begin with or we have normal needs but have supplemented too much in one area.  In my situation (past nutrient deficiencies to the max, due to celiac disease and gut damage), it ishard to tell what I have over-supplemented and what I have missed.  (It is impossible to supplement everything!)  And that is with a nutritionist's help!  Some esers still have undxed other problems which cause nutrient drains.  So it is not always easy to say what our actual nutritional needs are.  You were over supplementing magnesium for awhile and so you are seeing the very low mag supplement is helping.  But you will find the longer you take that low mag supplement, the less it will work for you--your
magnesium needs will again need addressed.  So it is not easy to remain static on supplements--they always need tweeked.  Unfortunately that is not easy to tell unless your are super vigilant and paying constant attention!  But I like the sounds of what you are proposing to do--that makes sense (cal-800 and mag 200).  You may still need to tweek in the future, but that is a good start.  Let us know how it goes.  ;)  Keep a journal, Steph--that way if you start getting aches and pains in the future, you remember what it was that you did.  (I don't always remember if I don't write it down!)  I find personally, that I usually do best staying within guidelines but at the maximum doses.  But it is impossible to know how one supplement might affect the need for another supplement sometimes. 
 
Re the manganese....  I am careful taking the manganese--too much can cause lots of bad problems, so I suggest if anyone else go there, you also be very vigilant to watch for problems.  (Look up deficiency and toxicity symptoms before going there.)  I have seen some better results with the manganese lately--I use it only spuratically, tho.  Some days it works really well and somedays not at all.  (When I say it works, I mean I am very much less aware of emfs in my surroundings and have no or few emf symptoms.)  When it does work, it seems to work for multiple days--often 2 1/2 days.  (Oddly, the same amount of time the lightning strike worked when I experienced it!)  I saw some email from Snoshoe (thanks, Snoshoe!) which looks promising, but which I have not had time to implement in my experimenting with the manganese yet.  I am out of control here--too much going on in my life right now!  (HELP!  Stop the world I want to get off!  Calgon,
take me away!  ;)  Forgive my humor--you know sometimes I just have tolet go.  lol)
 
Take care, Dear.  I have been thinking of you and sending you warm thoughts. 
Diane
 


--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 10:02 AM








Hi Diane
 
This is very interesting and you obviously know a lot about how cells work etc which I am interested to learn about - it all makes sense when you set it out that way. I wonder what you will make of my odd experiences with calcium since I got this post from you on this. I was taking a formulation which gave me about 800mg calcium and 260 mg magnesium per day - that bottle ran out and I had to go to the little health shop in the village near where I am staying which has a very limited stock. So I got a chewable calcium which gives about 800mg calcium per day and I thought it had magnesium in it too [since I wouldn't take one without the other] but I was in a bad way and fairly desperate when I bought the stuff and it is only after reading your post that having looked at the container I see that it includes magnesiumstearate as a constituent ingredient but it doesn't list its quantity or give it as a percentage of RDA so it must be so low as not to warrant
giving a figure for it. and the really odd thing???? In the last 2/3 weeks since I have been taking it I have been better [at least in ES terms] less vibrations, and less pain. In the 6 or 7 days prior to taking the new formulation when I wasn't taking any cal/mag at all I was in a lot of joint pain- espec knees hips and ankles. I would wake up in the morning with pain inmy lower back as if my bones and hips were lying directly on the bed slats, and since starting on the new stuff [with only a very little magnesium] that hasn't happened - Weird or what?
 
Since then I have sent away for another formulation which gives 400mg calcium and 200mg magnesium per capsule so I am going to try an experiment - I will take the  400mg calcium/ 200mg magnesium in the morning and at night time I will take the chewable 400mg calcium which will give me a daily intake of 800mg calcium and 200mg magnesium and see what happens. I'll report back soon on this.
 
And how are you getting on with manganese? I totally get the science behindtaking it [in terms of the cells and calcium but I wonder why you aren't getting results with using it? I came across andrew goldsworthy' s email address somewhere [I think I just googled him and it came up] Do you think if someone emailed him on the manganese issue he might have an idea?
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

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From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, 26 February, 2009, 11:15 PM

Hi again, Steph,
 
Dr. Hadjivassiliou, did you mean?  or Byron Hyde?  I didn't know eitherof them were into ES at all!  Interesting.  It has been awhile (9 mos plus) since I have read Dr. H's research--note to self, do that--and about a decade since I checked out Byron's info.  Since Dr. H discovered the tj permeability gene, I thought he might be inclined to look into es.  I did read Dr. Andrew Goldsworthy' s site after you sent it to me.  Yes, I have been under the impression that some problem with calcium comes into play (at least for me personally) and on computer searches I did a month ago, have come up with some new info on tj permeability research.  It seemsthat taking more calcium doesn't always help the problem according to new research.  I think I need to study the acu-cell info Snoshoe sent better before doing anything more--right and left hand charges to the various minerals, etc.  Great reading, but I'd need to really study it to work out how
calcium and manganese, etc inter-react.  (Btw, Loni, if you are reading along--this might be why you cannot take minerals.  So if you haven't check out the site Snoshoe sent re Acu-cell mineral readings, you might get info there that helps you.) 
 
In recent tj research, researchers working on rabbits (I believe--it was a month ago when I read this) found that more calcium just went into the cells rather than closing the tjs when they added calcium.  So they tried other minerals and found manganese closes the tjs.  Let me back up a little,as I am assuming anyone here reading understands the basic concepts of tj permeability.  First, calcium concentration has to be greater on the outside of the cells than the inside of cells and this state must be maintained or the tjs will open and not close.  But once they are opened and don't close, adding more calcium doesn't seem to restore balance to close them--but manganese will.  Adding more calcium just causes more calcium to enter the inside of the cells.  I have about a dozen tj research studies Ican send the group, but I wasn't sure anyone was interested in this.  Doyou want me to send them?  I kept them in a folder to go back to.  I'd
have to read them all again to actually find the one that had the manganeseinfo tho.
 
I know there has to be a calcium problem with me--I just cannot get enough.  I could take calcium AEP every hour forever.  Works great, but only temporarily and then I am back to square 1.  I also know it is targetting my adrenals/autonomic nervous system in various ways--es symptoms of all types seem much better or remit entirely if I throw enough calcium AEP at them.  I know how calcium works to maintain tj closings in normal situations and that gluten intolerance can cause this to malfunction on agrand, and sometimes irreversible,  scale and I know that emfs may also cause bbb tjs to malfunction in the same way.  So it seemed relatively straight forward that if I took manganese I would see a difference.  HOWEVER, I tried it and didn't see anything at all.  SOOOOO....  I evidently am missing something big.  lol  (Hey, doctors haven't figuredit out either!)  ;)  Granted I may need to play around with this abit--so I am not
totally
bummed about it.  Yet.  The concept needs work.  ;) 
 
As to B12--there are no upper limits (at least not last I checked) but necessary need is seemingly small for normal adults--1 mcg/day.  So I wouldnot double 2000mcgs; tho you are saying this is IU not mcgs, so I am not sure how to convert this.  Also, I personally take B12 only sublingually, since people with lack of intrinsic factor cannot digest it properly (and this is one of the biggest causes of deficiency-- lack of ability to digest it).  Celiacs are among those with B12 digestion problems.  I generallykeep my B12 supplementation to 1000mcgs sublingually.  (I just think if you haven't gotten it at 1000X the normal need, what are you going to accomplish with more than that?  lol  Of course, I nearly died from pernicious anemia without taking supplements.  So you do need to address the problem of digestion and why you are deficient to begin with.  If you take itunder the tongue, you are by-passing digestion entirely.)
 
Calcium upper limits are 2000 to 2500mg and upper limits are 350mg for magnesium.  So your supplement as is, is a bit over the upper limit for magnesium.  You can take this for a month or so, but should not take it long term over the upper limit.  Since it is a mineral, I personally would not take it long term at this amount--it could lead to other mineral or trace mineral deficiencies  by comparison.  If this has helped you, tho, start looking for a pill you can take 3X within the upper limits, (but high--at the upper limits).  You can finish the bottle you now have--no need to toss it. 
 
Hope this helps,
Diane

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 8:10 AM

Hi Diane
 
THis guy you are recommending seems to be suggesting the same thing as Dr Andrew Goldworthy - who also seems to be talking about ES and tj permeabiity[he believes that calcium could be a treatment since he likens ES with a condition called hypercalcaemia and says the treatment for one could be the same for the other!] - he is also worth a google - Thanks Diane - I will google your guy too when I can be on the computer for longer.
 
THanks for the tip re the Vit B12 - I have been taking 2000iu for the last 8 weeks [based on research posted on the pro-health site] one in the morning one in the evening - is that too much?
 
I also read great research re vitamin D on the Weston price foundation website and am taking 1000iu of vitamin D3 per day [in the morning] and am now splitting up the calcium /magnesium into 3 parts as recommended on his siteand the dosing instructiion on the bottle - it is giving 1000mg cacium and400mg magnesium per day - I hope it is not too much because I have noticedan improvement in pain levels since I started to take it.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 

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Hi again, Snoshoe!
 
Another great post!  I have had problems with tendonitis!  Very interesting.  My Dad does also and he shows signs of being es (his headaches often come on exactly when I get them--but he seems unaware of emfs being the cause.)  Thanks so much for the SOD and vitamin K info, too!  This info is very helpful!  Thanks so much for taking the time to write it.
 
Wish you well,
Diane

--- On Fri, 4/17/09, snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Manganese/Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 12:27 AM








I'm not up to speed on all these messages, but am looking at some tonight.

What I recall on manganese, if taken with SOD - which I have, is useful forrepairing tendons - tendonitis.

I also recall in some search finding that SOD binds more with different minerals depending on your ethnic background. In Mexican descent they are muchhigher in the manganese/sod than others, I don't recall what the rest of use, or where I found it, as tendonitis was what I was looking for at the time. It might be useful to search what SOD binds with in your ethnicity, what mineral would be more required.

What may help the Ca-AEP, or just plain calcium stick where it should longer is eating plenty of leafy greens, or taking some supplemental vitamin K.

K is suppose to help prevent calcium from laying down in the soft tissues, blood vessels, causing unwanted calcifications where they don't belong, andputting it where it does. I plan to try taking some of that with the AEP next time I can buy some, and see if I get more lasting results, i.e. less vibrating in the head when cell phones or satellites come thru.

Don't forget to keep an eye on your blood viscosity taking it, if you already have thick blood!

~ Snoshoe

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> Hi Diane
>  
> This is very interesting and you obviously know a lot about how cells work etc which I am interested to learn about - it all makes sense when you set it out that way. I wonder what you will make of my odd experiences with calcium since I got this post from you on this. I was taking a formulation which gave me about 800mg calcium and 260 mg magnesium per day - that bottleran out and I had to go to the little health shop in the village near where I am staying which has a very limited stock. So I got a chewable calcium which gives about 800mg calcium per day and I thought it had magnesium in it too [since I wouldn't take one without the other] but I was in a bad way and fairly desperate when I bought the stuff and it is only after reading your post that having looked at the container I see that it includes magnesium stearate as a constituent ingredient but it doesn't list its quantity orgive it as a percentage of RDA so it must be so low as not to
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Thanks Diane
 
As per usual - excellent advice - the 800calc/200mag breakdown is working well at the moment so perhaps I was overdoing it on the magnesium before - and [lighbulb moment coming up] in the earliest days of being ES I can remember having knee pain and it was just after i had been taking the higher magnesium formulation too so perhaps that was the cause - well spotted Diane! :-)
 
I wish I could try the manganese to see if it would make a difference for me and my ES symptoms - what dosage level are you taking it at and how many times a day do you take it? Its great that you can get a couple of days of relief from the ES by taking it. I will need though to keep my system fairly clean in the run up to surgery on Monday - and then will need to let the anaesthetic leave my system after that before trying anything new.
 
Hope your Dad's condition improves Diane - don't burn yourself out! Will bethinking of you.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 


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From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, 23 April, 2009, 6:41 PM








Hi, Steph,
 
Sorry to reply so late to this.  My dad has been particularly ill and keeping me busy caring for his needs.  I wouldn't say I am particularly knowledgeable on cells, Steph!  I just try to be.  ;)  Thanks for the complements, however misguided, tho.  lol   
 
Steph, the experience you had with the cal/mag supplement is probably dueto too much magnesium previously!  This is probably alot of the reasons why we esers react the ways we do--our supplementation/ diet is somewhat out of wack--either we have abnormal needs to begin with or we have normal needs but have supplemented too much in one area.  In my situation (past nutrient deficiencies to the max, due to celiac disease and gut damage), it is hard to tell what I have over-supplemented and what I have missed.  (Itis impossible to supplement everything!)  And that is with a nutritionist' s help!  Some esers still have undxed other problems which cause nutrient drains.  So it is not always easy to say what our actual nutritional needs are.  You were over supplementing magnesium for awhile and so youare seeing the very low mag supplement is helping.  But you will find the longer you take that low mag supplement, the less it will work for you--your
magnesium needs will again need addressed.  So it is not easy to remain static on supplements- -they always need tweeked.  Unfortunately that is not easy to tell unless your are super vigilant and paying constant attention!  But I like the sounds of what you are proposing to do--that makes sense (cal-800 and mag 200).  You may still need to tweek in the future, but that is a good start.  Let us know how it goes.  ;)  Keep a journal, Steph--that way if you start getting aches and pains in the future, you remember what it was that you did.  (I don't always remember if I don't write it down!)  I find personally, that I usually do best staying within guidelines but at the maximum doses.  But it is impossible to know how one supplement might affect the need for another supplement sometimes. 
 
Re the manganese... .  I am careful taking the manganese--too much can cause lots of bad problems, so I suggest if anyone else go there, you also bevery vigilant to watch for problems.  (Look up deficiency and toxicity symptoms before going there.)  I have seen some better results with the manganese lately--I use it only spuratically, tho.  Some days it works really well and somedays not at all.  (When I say it works, I mean I am very much less aware of emfs in my surroundings and have no or few emf symptoms.)  When it does work, it seems to work for multiple days--often 2 1/2 days.  (Oddly, the same amount of time the lightning strike worked when I experienced it!)  I saw some email from Snoshoe (thanks, Snoshoe!) which looks promising, but which I have not had time to implement in my experimenting with the manganese yet.  I am out of control here--too much going onin my life right now!  (HELP!  Stop the world I want to get off!  Calgon,
take me away!  ;)  Forgive my humor--you know sometimes I just have to let go.  lol)
 
Take care, Dear.  I have been thinking of you and sending you warm thoughts. 
Diane
 

--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 10:02 AM

Hi Diane
 
This is very interesting and you obviously know a lot about how cells work etc which I am interested to learn about - it all makes sense when you set it out that way. I wonder what you will make of my odd experiences with calcium since I got this post from you on this. I was taking a formulation which gave me about 800mg calcium and 260 mg magnesium per day - that bottle ran out and I had to go to the little health shop in the village near where I am staying which has a very limited stock. So I got a chewable calcium which gives about 800mg calcium per day and I thought it had magnesium in it too [since I wouldn't take one without the other] but I was in a bad way and fairly desperate when I bought the stuff and it is only after reading your post that having looked at the container I see that it includes magnesiumstearate as a constituent ingredient but it doesn't list its quantity or give it as a percentage of RDA so it must be so low as not to warrant
giving a figure for it. and the really odd thing???? In the last 2/3 weeks since I have been taking it I have been better [at least in ES terms] less vibrations, and less pain. In the 6 or 7 days prior to taking the new formulation when I wasn't taking any cal/mag at all I was in a lot of joint pain- espec knees hips and ankles. I would wake up in the morning with pain inmy lower back as if my bones and hips were lying directly on the bed slats, and since starting on the new stuff [with only a very little magnesium] that hasn't happened - Weird or what?
 
Since then I have sent away for another formulation which gives 400mg calcium and 200mg magnesium per capsule so I am going to try an experiment - I will take the  400mg calcium/ 200mg magnesium in the morning and at night time I will take the chewable 400mg calcium which will give me a daily intake of 800mg calcium and 200mg magnesium and see what happens. I'll report back soon on this.
 
And how are you getting on with manganese? I totally get the science behindtaking it [in terms of the cells and calcium but I wonder why you aren't getting results with using it? I came across andrew goldsworthy' s email address somewhere [I think I just googled him and it came up] Do you think if someone emailed him on the manganese issue he might have an idea?
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

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From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, 26 February, 2009, 11:15 PM

Hi again, Steph,
 
Dr. Hadjivassiliou, did you mean?  or Byron Hyde?  I didn't know eitherof them were into ES at all!  Interesting.  It has been awhile (9 mos plus) since I have read Dr. H's research--note to self, do that--and about a decade since I checked out Byron's info.  Since Dr. H discovered the tj permeability gene, I thought he might be inclined to look into es.  I did read Dr. Andrew Goldsworthy' s site after you sent it to me.  Yes, I have been under the impression that some problem with calcium comes into play (at least for me personally) and on computer searches I did a month ago, have come up with some new info on tj permeability research.  It seemsthat taking more calcium doesn't always help the problem according to new research.  I think I need to study the acu-cell info Snoshoe sent better before doing anything more--right and left hand charges to the various minerals, etc.  Great reading, but I'd need to really study it to work out how
calcium and manganese, etc inter-react.  (Btw, Loni, if you are reading along--this might be why you cannot take minerals.  So if you haven't check out the site Snoshoe sent re Acu-cell mineral readings, you might get info there that helps you.) 
 
In recent tj research, researchers working on rabbits (I believe--it was a month ago when I read this) found that more calcium just went into the cells rather than closing the tjs when they added calcium.  So they tried other minerals and found manganese closes the tjs.  Let me back up a little,as I am assuming anyone here reading understands the basic concepts of tj permeability.  First, calcium concentration has to be greater on the outside of the cells than the inside of cells and this state must be maintained or the tjs will open and not close.  But once they are opened and don't close, adding more calcium doesn't seem to restore balance to close them--but manganese will.  Adding more calcium just causes more calcium to enter the inside of the cells.  I have about a dozen tj research studies Ican send the group, but I wasn't sure anyone was interested in this.  Doyou want me to send them?  I kept them in a folder to go back to.  I'd
have to read them all again to actually find the one that had the manganeseinfo tho.
 
I know there has to be a calcium problem with me--I just cannot get enough.  I could take calcium AEP every hour forever.  Works great, but only temporarily and then I am back to square 1.  I also know it is targetting my adrenals/autonomic nervous system in various ways--es symptoms of all types seem much better or remit entirely if I throw enough calcium AEP at them.  I know how calcium works to maintain tj closings in normal situations and that gluten intolerance can cause this to malfunction on agrand, and sometimes irreversible,  scale and I know that emfs may also cause bbb tjs to malfunction in the same way.  So it seemed relatively straight forward that if I took manganese I would see a difference.  HOWEVER, I tried it and didn't see anything at all.  SOOOOO....  I evidently am missing something big.  lol  (Hey, doctors haven't figuredit out either!)  ;)  Granted I may need to play around with this abit--so I am not
totally
bummed about it.  Yet.  The concept needs work.  ;) 
 
As to B12--there are no upper limits (at least not last I checked) but necessary need is seemingly small for normal adults--1 mcg/day.  So I wouldnot double 2000mcgs; tho you are saying this is IU not mcgs, so I am not sure how to convert this.  Also, I personally take B12 only sublingually, since people with lack of intrinsic factor cannot digest it properly (and this is one of the biggest causes of deficiency-- lack of ability to digest it).  Celiacs are among those with B12 digestion problems.  I generallykeep my B12 supplementation to 1000mcgs sublingually.  (I just think if you haven't gotten it at 1000X the normal need, what are you going to accomplish with more than that?  lol  Of course, I nearly died from pernicious anemia without taking supplements.  So you do need to address the problem of digestion and why you are deficient to begin with.  If you take itunder the tongue, you are by-passing digestion entirely.)
 
Calcium upper limits are 2000 to 2500mg and upper limits are 350mg for magnesium.  So your supplement as is, is a bit over the upper limit for magnesium.  You can take this for a month or so, but should not take it long term over the upper limit.  Since it is a mineral, I personally would not take it long term at this amount--it could lead to other mineral or trace mineral deficiencies  by comparison.  If this has helped you, tho, start looking for a pill you can take 3X within the upper limits, (but high--at the upper limits).  You can finish the bottle you now have--no need to toss it. 
 
Hope this helps,
Diane

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 8:10 AM

Hi Diane
 
THis guy you are recommending seems to be suggesting the same thing as Dr Andrew Goldworthy - who also seems to be talking about ES and tj permeabiity[he believes that calcium could be a treatment since he likens ES with a condition called hypercalcaemia and says the treatment for one could be the same for the other!] - he is also worth a google - Thanks Diane - I will google your guy too when I can be on the computer for longer.
 
THanks for the tip re the Vit B12 - I have been taking 2000iu for the last 8 weeks [based on research posted on the pro-health site] one in the morning one in the evening - is that too much?
 
I also read great research re vitamin D on the Weston price foundation website and am taking 1000iu of vitamin D3 per day [in the morning] and am now splitting up the calcium /magnesium into 3 parts as recommended on his siteand the dosing instructiion on the bottle - it is giving 1000mg cacium and400mg magnesium per day - I hope it is not too much because I have noticedan improvement in pain levels since I started to take it.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 

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Hi, Steph,
 
Thanks for the well wishes, etc.  :)  I wish you health and wellness during your operation on Monday!  Good luck and I hope you feel spectacularafterwards!  :)  (Also you asked if there were any remedies for flushing anaesthetics out of your body afterwards and I don't know of any--maybe there are homeopathic remedies for such a thing???  I do know that increased anti-oxidants and a free-form amino acid complex are good extra supplementation AFTER a surgery.  It is also helpful to eat small meals--digestion uses alot of the energy your body needs for repair.  But, you do want to get adequate nutrition.)
 
You ask about my manganese supplementation.....  I am taking 10 mg of natural, chelated manganese.  I have been taking it at different times of the day (to see if it might act differently at different times--so far I donot see a correlation).  I take it usually only once every 3 or 4 days and sometimes skip a week (sometimes more if I am not in my normal routine, such as lately with my Dad being ill); sometimes I take it daily when the original dose has no effect.  (Again, experimenting to see whether it is what is working; what I am eating or doing that day which might be affectinga change in how it is working, etc; I am also doing new energy exercises and I think they are accounting for some improvement I am seeing and so I amalso changing manganese supplementation to be able to differentiate from the exercises.)  
 
Understand that I am not ready to go out on a limb yet and say 100% it is working--it just "seems to work" SOMETIMES.  When it does seem to work, itworks for more than a day.  I find it interesting and somewhat hopefulthat it seems to work for the same amount of time that the lightning strike did when I experienced that late fall of last year.  (I think this means that the lightning affected my calcium ion channels +/or bbb tjs, possibly by closing them, and that the manganese is working in the same, or a similar, capacity.) 
 
Again, if anyone should try this on their own, do not do it without first reading up on deficiency and toxicity signs.   I am not advocating starting manganese supplementation.  I am experimenting with it because calcium ion channel research has shown that calcium ion gates left hanging open can be closed by manganese.  I feel I need to get to the point of the manganese working 100% of the time before I can recommend manganese to othershere. 
 
Be well, Steph--prayers and hugs for your upcoming surgery,
Diane

--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 6:13 PM








Thanks Diane
 
As per usual - excellent advice - the 800calc/200mag breakdown is working well at the moment so perhaps I was overdoing it on the magnesium before - and [lighbulb moment coming up] in the earliest days of being ES I can remember having knee pain and it was just after i had been taking the higher magnesium formulation too so perhaps that was the cause - well spotted Diane! :-)
 
I wish I could try the manganese to see if it would make a difference for me and my ES symptoms - what dosage level are you taking it at and how many times a day do you take it? Its great that you can get a couple of days of relief from the ES by taking it. I will need though to keep my system fairly clean in the run up to surgery on Monday - and then will need to let the anaesthetic leave my system after that before trying anything new.
 
Hope your Dad's condition improves Diane - don't burn yourself out! Will bethinking of you.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 

--- On Thu, 23/4/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, 23 April, 2009, 6:41 PM

Hi, Steph,
 
Sorry to reply so late to this.  My dad has been particularly ill and keeping me busy caring for his needs.  I wouldn't say I am particularly knowledgeable on cells, Steph!  I just try to be.  ;)  Thanks for the complements, however misguided, tho.  lol   
 
Steph, the experience you had with the cal/mag supplement is probably dueto too much magnesium previously!  This is probably alot of the reasons why we esers react the ways we do--our supplementation/ diet is somewhat out of wack--either we have abnormal needs to begin with or we have normal needs but have supplemented too much in one area.  In my situation (past nutrient deficiencies to the max, due to celiac disease and gut damage), it is hard to tell what I have over-supplemented and what I have missed.  (Itis impossible to supplement everything!)  And that is with a nutritionist' s help!  Some esers still have undxed other problems which cause nutrient drains.  So it is not always easy to say what our actual nutritional needs are.  You were over supplementing magnesium for awhile and so youare seeing the very low mag supplement is helping.  But you will find the longer you take that low mag supplement, the less it will work for you--your
magnesium needs will again need addressed.  So it is not easy to remain static on supplements- -they always need tweeked.  Unfortunately that is not easy to tell unless your are super vigilant and paying constant attention!  But I like the sounds of what you are proposing to do--that makes sense (cal-800 and mag 200).  You may still need to tweek in the future, but that is a good start.  Let us know how it goes.  ;)  Keep a journal, Steph--that way if you start getting aches and pains in the future, you remember what it was that you did.  (I don't always remember if I don't write it down!)  I find personally, that I usually do best staying within guidelines but at the maximum doses.  But it is impossible to know how one supplement might affect the need for another supplement sometimes. 
 
Re the manganese... .  I am careful taking the manganese--too much can cause lots of bad problems, so I suggest if anyone else go there, you also bevery vigilant to watch for problems.  (Look up deficiency and toxicity symptoms before going there.)  I have seen some better results with the manganese lately--I use it only spuratically, tho.  Some days it works really well and somedays not at all.  (When I say it works, I mean I am very much less aware of emfs in my surroundings and have no or few emf symptoms.)  When it does work, it seems to work for multiple days--often 2 1/2 days.  (Oddly, the same amount of time the lightning strike worked when I experienced it!)  I saw some email from Snoshoe (thanks, Snoshoe!) which looks promising, but which I have not had time to implement in my experimenting with the manganese yet.  I am out of control here--too much going onin my life right now!  (HELP!  Stop the world I want to get off!  Calgon,
take me away!  ;)  Forgive my humor--you know sometimes I just have to let go.  lol)
 
Take care, Dear.  I have been thinking of you and sending you warm thoughts. 
Diane
 




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Hi Diane
 
I will definitely look at this after the surgery - I am also going to see if I can talk to the ME consultant I am seeing on Thursday about calcium ionchannels because I recently received research that there is a correlation between ion channel problems and ME and it will be interesting to see what he has to say about that.
 
Thanks for your kind wishes Diane
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 
 
 


--- On Fri, 24/4/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Manganese (Formerly vibrating and B12)
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 24 April, 2009, 9:02 PM








Hi, Steph,
 
Thanks for the well wishes, etc.  :)  I wish you health and wellness during your operation on Monday!  Good luck and I hope you feel spectacularafterwards!  :)  (Also you asked if there were any remedies for flushing anaesthetics out of your body afterwards and I don't know of any--maybe there are homeopathic remedies for such a thing???  I do know that increased anti-oxidants and a free-form amino acid complex are good extra supplementation AFTER a surgery.  It is also helpful to eat small meals--digestion uses alot of the energy your body needs for repair.  But, you do want to get adequate nutrition.)
 
You ask about my manganese supplementation. ....  I am taking 10 mg of natural, chelated manganese.  I have been taking it at different times of the day (to see if it might act differently at different times--so far I do not see a correlation) .  I take it usually only once every 3 or 4 daysand sometimes skip a week (sometimes more if I am not in my normal routine, such as lately with my Dad being ill); sometimes I take it daily when theoriginal dose has no effect.  (Again, experimenting to see whether it iswhat is working; what I am eating or doing that day which might be affecting a change in how it is working, etc; I am also doing new energy exercisesand I think they are accounting for some improvement I am seeing and so I am also changing manganese supplementation to be able to differentiate fromthe exercises.)  
 
Understand that I am not ready to go out on a limb yet and say 100% it is working--it just "seems to work" SOMETIMES.  When it does seem to work, itworks for more than a day.  I find it interesting and somewhat hopefulthat it seems to work for the same amount of time that the lightning strike did when I experienced that late fall of last year.  (I think this means that the lightning affected my calcium ion channels +/or bbb tjs, possibly by closing them, and that the manganese is working in the same, or a similar, capacity. ) 
 
Again, if anyone should try this on their own, do not do it without first reading up on deficiency and toxicity signs.   I am not advocating starting manganese supplementation.  I am experimenting with it because calcium ion channel research has shown that calcium ion gates left hanging open can be closed by manganese.  I feel I need to get to the point of the manganese working 100% of the time before I can recommend manganese to othershere. 
 
Be well, Steph--prayers and hugs for your upcoming surgery,
Diane

--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 6:13 PM

Thanks Diane
 
As per usual - excellent advice - the 800calc/200mag breakdown is working well at the moment so perhaps I was overdoing it on the magnesium before - and [lighbulb moment coming up] in the earliest days of being ES I can remember having knee pain and it was just after i had been taking the higher magnesium formulation too so perhaps that was the cause - well spotted Diane! :-)
 
I wish I could try the manganese to see if it would make a difference for me and my ES symptoms - what dosage level are you taking it at and how many times a day do you take it? Its great that you can get a couple of days of relief from the ES by taking it. I will need though to keep my system fairly clean in the run up to surgery on Monday - and then will need to let the anaesthetic leave my system after that before trying anything new.
 
Hope your Dad's condition improves Diane - don't burn yourself out! Will bethinking of you.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 

--- On Thu, 23/4/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, 23 April, 2009, 6:41 PM

Hi, Steph,
 
Sorry to reply so late to this.  My dad has been particularly ill and keeping me busy caring for his needs.  I wouldn't say I am particularly knowledgeable on cells, Steph!  I just try to be.  ;)  Thanks for the complements, however misguided, tho.  lol   
 
Steph, the experience you had with the cal/mag supplement is probably dueto too much magnesium previously!  This is probably alot of the reasons why we esers react the ways we do--our supplementation/ diet is somewhat out of wack--either we have abnormal needs to begin with or we have normal needs but have supplemented too much in one area.  In my situation (past nutrient deficiencies to the max, due to celiac disease and gut damage), it is hard to tell what I have over-supplemented and what I have missed.  (Itis impossible to supplement everything!)  And that is with a nutritionist' s help!  Some esers still have undxed other problems which cause nutrient drains.  So it is not always easy to say what our actual nutritional needs are.  You were over supplementing magnesium for awhile and so youare seeing the very low mag supplement is helping.  But you will find the longer you take that low mag supplement, the less it will work for you--your
magnesium needs will again need addressed.  So it is not easy to remain static on supplements- -they always need tweeked.  Unfortunately that is not easy to tell unless your are super vigilant and paying constant attention!  But I like the sounds of what you are proposing to do--that makes sense (cal-800 and mag 200).  You may still need to tweek in the future, but that is a good start.  Let us know how it goes.  ;)  Keep a journal, Steph--that way if you start getting aches and pains in the future, you remember what it was that you did.  (I don't always remember if I don't write it down!)  I find personally, that I usually do best staying within guidelines but at the maximum doses.  But it is impossible to know how one supplement might affect the need for another supplement sometimes. 
 
Re the manganese... .  I am careful taking the manganese--too much can cause lots of bad problems, so I suggest if anyone else go there, you also bevery vigilant to watch for problems.  (Look up deficiency and toxicity symptoms before going there.)  I have seen some better results with the manganese lately--I use it only spuratically, tho.  Some days it works really well and somedays not at all.  (When I say it works, I mean I am very much less aware of emfs in my surroundings and have no or few emf symptoms.)  When it does work, it seems to work for multiple days--often 2 1/2 days.  (Oddly, the same amount of time the lightning strike worked when I experienced it!)  I saw some email from Snoshoe (thanks, Snoshoe!) which looks promising, but which I have not had time to implement in my experimenting with the manganese yet.  I am out of control here--too much going onin my life right now!  (HELP!  Stop the world I want to get off!  Calgon,
take me away!  ;)  Forgive my humor--you know sometimes I just have to let go.  lol)
 
Take care, Dear.  I have been thinking of you and sending you warm thoughts. 
Diane
 

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Steph , good luck with your surgery , will be thinking of you. Hope all goes well
 
Ada


--- On Sat, 25/4/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Manganese (Formerly vibrating and B12)
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 25 April, 2009, 8:15 AM








Hi Diane
 
I will definitely look at this after the surgery - I am also going to see if I can talk to the ME consultant I am seeing on Thursday about calcium ionchannels because I recently received research that there is a correlation between ion channel problems and ME and it will be interesting to see what he has to say about that.
 
Thanks for your kind wishes Diane
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 
 
 

--- On Fri, 24/4/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Manganese (Formerly vibrating and B12)
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 24 April, 2009, 9:02 PM

Hi, Steph,
 
Thanks for the well wishes, etc.  :)  I wish you health and wellness during your operation on Monday!  Good luck and I hope you feel spectacularafterwards!  :)  (Also you asked if there were any remedies for flushing anaesthetics out of your body afterwards and I don't know of any--maybe there are homeopathic remedies for such a thing???  I do know that increased anti-oxidants and a free-form amino acid complex are good extra supplementation AFTER a surgery.  It is also helpful to eat small meals--digestion uses alot of the energy your body needs for repair.  But, you do want to get adequate nutrition.)
 
You ask about my manganese supplementation. ....  I am taking 10 mg of natural, chelated manganese.  I have been taking it at different times of the day (to see if it might act differently at different times--so far I do not see a correlation) .  I take it usually only once every 3 or 4 daysand sometimes skip a week (sometimes more if I am not in my normal routine, such as lately with my Dad being ill); sometimes I take it daily when theoriginal dose has no effect.  (Again, experimenting to see whether it iswhat is working; what I am eating or doing that day which might be affecting a change in how it is working, etc; I am also doing new energy exercisesand I think they are accounting for some improvement I am seeing and so I am also changing manganese supplementation to be able to differentiate fromthe exercises.)  
 
Understand that I am not ready to go out on a limb yet and say 100% it is working--it just "seems to work" SOMETIMES.  When it does seem to work, itworks for more than a day.  I find it interesting and somewhat hopefulthat it seems to work for the same amount of time that the lightning strike did when I experienced that late fall of last year.  (I think this means that the lightning affected my calcium ion channels +/or bbb tjs, possibly by closing them, and that the manganese is working in the same, or a similar, capacity. ) 
 
Again, if anyone should try this on their own, do not do it without first reading up on deficiency and toxicity signs.   I am not advocating starting manganese supplementation.  I am experimenting with it because calcium ion channel research has shown that calcium ion gates left hanging open can be closed by manganese.  I feel I need to get to the point of the manganese working 100% of the time before I can recommend manganese to othershere. 
 
Be well, Steph--prayers and hugs for your upcoming surgery,
Diane

--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 6:13 PM

Thanks Diane
 
As per usual - excellent advice - the 800calc/200mag breakdown is working well at the moment so perhaps I was overdoing it on the magnesium before - and [lighbulb moment coming up] in the earliest days of being ES I can remember having knee pain and it was just after i had been taking the higher magnesium formulation too so perhaps that was the cause - well spotted Diane! :-)
 
I wish I could try the manganese to see if it would make a difference for me and my ES symptoms - what dosage level are you taking it at and how many times a day do you take it? Its great that you can get a couple of days of relief from the ES by taking it. I will need though to keep my system fairly clean in the run up to surgery on Monday - and then will need to let the anaesthetic leave my system after that before trying anything new.
 
Hope your Dad's condition improves Diane - don't burn yourself out! Will bethinking of you.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 

--- On Thu, 23/4/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, 23 April, 2009, 6:41 PM

Hi, Steph,
 
Sorry to reply so late to this.  My dad has been particularly ill and keeping me busy caring for his needs.  I wouldn't say I am particularly knowledgeable on cells, Steph!  I just try to be.  ;)  Thanks for the complements, however misguided, tho.  lol   
 
Steph, the experience you had with the cal/mag supplement is probably dueto too much magnesium previously!  This is probably alot of the reasons why we esers react the ways we do--our supplementation/ diet is somewhat out of wack--either we have abnormal needs to begin with or we have normal needs but have supplemented too much in one area.  In my situation (past nutrient deficiencies to the max, due to celiac disease and gut damage), it is hard to tell what I have over-supplemented and what I have missed.  (Itis impossible to supplement everything!)  And that is with a nutritionist' s help!  Some esers still have undxed other problems which cause nutrient drains.  So it is not always easy to say what our actual nutritional needs are.  You were over supplementing magnesium for awhile and so youare seeing the very low mag supplement is helping.  But you will find the longer you take that low mag supplement, the less it will work for you--your
magnesium needs will again need addressed.  So it is not easy to remain static on supplements- -they always need tweeked.  Unfortunately that is not easy to tell unless your are super vigilant and paying constant attention!  But I like the sounds of what you are proposing to do--that makes sense (cal-800 and mag 200).  You may still need to tweek in the future, but that is a good start.  Let us know how it goes.  ;)  Keep a journal, Steph--that way if you start getting aches and pains in the future, you remember what it was that you did.  (I don't always remember if I don't write it down!)  I find personally, that I usually do best staying within guidelines but at the maximum doses.  But it is impossible to know how one supplement might affect the need for another supplement sometimes. 
 
Re the manganese... .  I am careful taking the manganese--too much can cause lots of bad problems, so I suggest if anyone else go there, you also bevery vigilant to watch for problems.  (Look up deficiency and toxicity symptoms before going there.)  I have seen some better results with the manganese lately--I use it only spuratically, tho.  Some days it works really well and somedays not at all.  (When I say it works, I mean I am very much less aware of emfs in my surroundings and have no or few emf symptoms.)  When it does work, it seems to work for multiple days--often 2 1/2 days.  (Oddly, the same amount of time the lightning strike worked when I experienced it!)  I saw some email from Snoshoe (thanks, Snoshoe!) which looks promising, but which I have not had time to implement in my experimenting with the manganese yet.  I am out of control here--too much going onin my life right now!  (HELP!  Stop the world I want to get off!  Calgon,
take me away!  ;)  Forgive my humor--you know sometimes I just have to let go.  lol)
 
Take care, Dear.  I have been thinking of you and sending you warm thoughts. 
Diane
 

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Thanks  so much Ada - I will really appreciate it. Monday afternoon is the slot.
 
I still owe you a reply on the bioprotect card - I'll send you a longer more detailed one after the op but the short quick version is that I noticed some benefits [and some odd side effects like dreadful blepharospam - my right eye lid is permanently twitching - and it eases off when I remove the card from my person at night to sleep]. But as for help with Wi fi? I went ona trip to my sister's house last week - it was a nightmare - all the usualsymptoms plus the mega migraine I always get when I am there - so I doubt that it would be of any use to you where you are - you could try one and ifyou don't get results send it back - but you would need to be quick - theyonly give you 14 days to return it - it might work for you even though I didn't feel it helped me with WIFI - I got mine from www.golden-ray.com  and they were able to send it to a different shipping address to my billing address. Let me know how you get on if you try it.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

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From: ada iye <[hidden email]>
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To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 25 April, 2009, 10:30 AM








Steph , good luck with your surgery , will be thinking of you. Hope all goes well
 
Ada

--- On Sat, 25/4/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Manganese (Formerly vibrating and B12)
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, 25 April, 2009, 8:15 AM

Hi Diane
 
I will definitely look at this after the surgery - I am also going to see if I can talk to the ME consultant I am seeing on Thursday about calcium ionchannels because I recently received research that there is a correlation between ion channel problems and ME and it will be interesting to see what he has to say about that.
 
Thanks for your kind wishes Diane
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 
 
 

--- On Fri, 24/4/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Manganese (Formerly vibrating and B12)
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 24 April, 2009, 9:02 PM

Hi, Steph,
 
Thanks for the well wishes, etc.  :)  I wish you health and wellness during your operation on Monday!  Good luck and I hope you feel spectacularafterwards!  :)  (Also you asked if there were any remedies for flushing anaesthetics out of your body afterwards and I don't know of any--maybe there are homeopathic remedies for such a thing???  I do know that increased anti-oxidants and a free-form amino acid complex are good extra supplementation AFTER a surgery.  It is also helpful to eat small meals--digestion uses alot of the energy your body needs for repair.  But, you do want to get adequate nutrition.)
 
You ask about my manganese supplementation. ....  I am taking 10 mg of natural, chelated manganese.  I have been taking it at different times of the day (to see if it might act differently at different times--so far I do not see a correlation) .  I take it usually only once every 3 or 4 daysand sometimes skip a week (sometimes more if I am not in my normal routine, such as lately with my Dad being ill); sometimes I take it daily when theoriginal dose has no effect.  (Again, experimenting to see whether it iswhat is working; what I am eating or doing that day which might be affecting a change in how it is working, etc; I am also doing new energy exercisesand I think they are accounting for some improvement I am seeing and so I am also changing manganese supplementation to be able to differentiate fromthe exercises.)  
 
Understand that I am not ready to go out on a limb yet and say 100% it is working--it just "seems to work" SOMETIMES.  When it does seem to work, itworks for more than a day.  I find it interesting and somewhat hopefulthat it seems to work for the same amount of time that the lightning strike did when I experienced that late fall of last year.  (I think this means that the lightning affected my calcium ion channels +/or bbb tjs, possibly by closing them, and that the manganese is working in the same, or a similar, capacity. ) 
 
Again, if anyone should try this on their own, do not do it without first reading up on deficiency and toxicity signs.   I am not advocating starting manganese supplementation.  I am experimenting with it because calcium ion channel research has shown that calcium ion gates left hanging open can be closed by manganese.  I feel I need to get to the point of the manganese working 100% of the time before I can recommend manganese to othershere. 
 
Be well, Steph--prayers and hugs for your upcoming surgery,
Diane

--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 6:13 PM

Thanks Diane
 
As per usual - excellent advice - the 800calc/200mag breakdown is working well at the moment so perhaps I was overdoing it on the magnesium before - and [lighbulb moment coming up] in the earliest days of being ES I can remember having knee pain and it was just after i had been taking the higher magnesium formulation too so perhaps that was the cause - well spotted Diane! :-)
 
I wish I could try the manganese to see if it would make a difference for me and my ES symptoms - what dosage level are you taking it at and how many times a day do you take it? Its great that you can get a couple of days of relief from the ES by taking it. I will need though to keep my system fairly clean in the run up to surgery on Monday - and then will need to let the anaesthetic leave my system after that before trying anything new.
 
Hope your Dad's condition improves Diane - don't burn yourself out! Will bethinking of you.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 

--- On Thu, 23/4/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, 23 April, 2009, 6:41 PM

Hi, Steph,
 
Sorry to reply so late to this.  My dad has been particularly ill and keeping me busy caring for his needs.  I wouldn't say I am particularly knowledgeable on cells, Steph!  I just try to be.  ;)  Thanks for the complements, however misguided, tho.  lol   
 
Steph, the experience you had with the cal/mag supplement is probably dueto too much magnesium previously!  This is probably alot of the reasons why we esers react the ways we do--our supplementation/ diet is somewhat out of wack--either we have abnormal needs to begin with or we have normal needs but have supplemented too much in one area.  In my situation (past nutrient deficiencies to the max, due to celiac disease and gut damage), it is hard to tell what I have over-supplemented and what I have missed.  (Itis impossible to supplement everything!)  And that is with a nutritionist' s help!  Some esers still have undxed other problems which cause nutrient drains.  So it is not always easy to say what our actual nutritional needs are.  You were over supplementing magnesium for awhile and so youare seeing the very low mag supplement is helping.  But you will find the longer you take that low mag supplement, the less it will work for you--your
magnesium needs will again need addressed.  So it is not easy to remain static on supplements- -they always need tweeked.  Unfortunately that is not easy to tell unless your are super vigilant and paying constant attention!  But I like the sounds of what you are proposing to do--that makes sense (cal-800 and mag 200).  You may still need to tweek in the future, but that is a good start.  Let us know how it goes.  ;)  Keep a journal, Steph--that way if you start getting aches and pains in the future, you remember what it was that you did.  (I don't always remember if I don't write it down!)  I find personally, that I usually do best staying within guidelines but at the maximum doses.  But it is impossible to know how one supplement might affect the need for another supplement sometimes. 
 
Re the manganese... .  I am careful taking the manganese--too much can cause lots of bad problems, so I suggest if anyone else go there, you also bevery vigilant to watch for problems.  (Look up deficiency and toxicity symptoms before going there.)  I have seen some better results with the manganese lately--I use it only spuratically, tho.  Some days it works really well and somedays not at all.  (When I say it works, I mean I am very much less aware of emfs in my surroundings and have no or few emf symptoms.)  When it does work, it seems to work for multiple days--often 2 1/2 days.  (Oddly, the same amount of time the lightning strike worked when I experienced it!)  I saw some email from Snoshoe (thanks, Snoshoe!) which looks promising, but which I have not had time to implement in my experimenting with the manganese yet.  I am out of control here--too much going onin my life right now!  (HELP!  Stop the world I want to get off!  Calgon,
take me away!  ;)  Forgive my humor--you know sometimes I just have to let go.  lol)
 
Take care, Dear.  I have been thinking of you and sending you warm thoughts. 
Diane
 

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