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Electro-Hypersensitivity - OscillatoriumTWO MAPS ON THIS PAGE: EHS DIAGNOSIS: THE BELPOMME PANEL. ELECTRO-HYPERSENSITIVITY: OVERVIEW. See also EHS Therapies. You've visited this page 3 times. Last visit: 16/02/16 I just wanted to say. Does this not constitute a reason to establish EHS as a bona fide illness. It has: a. Diagnostic criteria. b. Causation route as strong, surely, as many other accepted illnesses, even in the International catalogue of Illnesses - whats'-it-called. I am not a scientist . So I am not sure of this. But I would think it is the case. I feel also this is somewhat the matter of making the matter of what is now called EHS, known for 50 years plus also as microwave sickness or radar sickness, something understandable within the provincial world of science. I KNOW I am ill. And what I am ill from. Science is fine, but it is strictly and only SECONDARY to that. . Science may get many things wrong, and fail to understand many others. Parasites and metal toxicity and low-functioning organs are all very well and good. I hope this can help For myself I notice: !. The levels of artificial emfs, particularly microwaves are now at thousands of billions of times the natural level all life evolved in. 2.All life I know of - apart form maybe mushrooms, seems to be affected negatively by these emissions - not just my human life. 3. I have no strong reason to believe that at the old levels - i.e. the natural levels, my health would not have stayed strong and good for a long time, and I would not have lived to an old and possibly very old age. In that situation, however much parasites or metals or low-functioning organs may precipitate EHS in the current microwave- high environment its seems perverse to insist I and not the environment is essentially pathological. One might add, pathologising a reaction to microwaves may not be an exactly assumption -free position. To many terrible poisons you get a bell curve of reactivity. Because a small number of people start dying long long long before the most "hardy" and long also- though less long- before the majority when you introduce arsenic into the water supply by no manner of means means they are in any sense sick before exposure. And if you think of something like esp, extra sensory perception - it is only the prejudices of modern society and perhaps science that insists this is abnormal . EHS may be more like the reactions of those responding early to arsenic. It may even be more like those who manifest a seemingly extra sense like "esp". Or it may be a bit of both. It could also be that the materialistic bias within science - which I believe is now perhaps being altered at the fringes by "energy medecines" and a scientific view that takes energy and light and electricity as primary - standing more as cause therefore- and physiological processes understood in purely bio-chemical terms as effects - is responsible for not being easily able to see what is going on with microwaves and health. A small point: You say scientists need to establish what is the threshold for symptoms like insomnia and headache. But with the other radiation poisoning - from ionising radiation - there is also a wide cluster of symptoms, some of them vague and some of them in fact identical to EHS. Why is there no problem in ascribing these to exposure to radiation - ionising- when such exposure is know to have happened? .I have done all three of what you suggest concerning parasite cleanse, metal removal and organ restoration, and am still severely "EHS" I have tried that wheel = rather than re=inventing it. So far it has not done much for my EHS. It could be posited that if you have not got "EHS" you are deficient in some sense or at least less developed in some sense . I have seen nothing in all my time with this illness to completely vanquish that as a hypothesis. I may been sensing in a certain area, and within that finding the thousands of billions of times the natural level of microwaves a noxious factor= so extreme as to make me ill. Since it seems to make all life ill - that seems a reasonable idea. Best wishes, Sylvan Moir. On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 1:26 PM, charles [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote: I am sorry that my english is not understandable by everybody. |
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Charles, I could add more, of a sociological? or even metaphysical dimension: Jenny Fry killed herself recently because , never mind fiddling details of aetiology, causality, clasiification within the esoteric domain of science - NOBODY would listen to her when she said the microwaves made her ill (apart from her Mum, who in fact twigged to it first) = and this precisely on the basis of the scientific obdurate blindness you appear to be supporting. SHE WAS NOT LISTENED TO, so now she is dead. Had she been listened to, she would be alive. Even had it been the case that working on her immune system, doing parasite cleaning and heavy metal cleaning would have helped her it could not have helped in time . She had to be listened to, and she wasn't. My very very very strong feeling is : first her and then at some remove maybe all of us. If not you, your children, if not your children, your childrens' children . We need to take these accounts seriously, and start listening.The high falutin arguments about precisely what is a disease and what is a mechanism and what is a cause can come later. Very clearly, if you are failing to listen , the "fault" lies with you ; otherwise put if science,for whatever reason is unable to hear these things, and society, in thrall to science CANNOT react without the approval of science, then what seems likely , as has happened so very often when people have refused to hear what nature is trying to tell them is there will be massive numbers of deaths . (No doubt with the expert class shaking their heads and saying : "But we didn't know, and how could we have known"). This has happened so often before in human history. Best wishes, Sylvan. On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 2:59 PM, robert [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Belpomme is not accepted by authorities.
His analysis is rather vague. >I have done all three of what you suggest concerning parasite cleanse, metal removal and organ restoration, and am still severely "EHS"> It is not three, but rather at least thirty points. Parasite vleanse can only be done with frequency therapy (and if you do now which microorganisms are present). Metal removal is only effective with a ionic foot spa (on the short term). Organ restoration by a NLS system. The problem is, that you state that you know that you are ill. You may feel that way, but you do not have a medical proof. My point is that we do not have medical proof. Most doctors refuse to give such a diagnosis, and prescribe just an Asperine. They flatly refuse to search and try to find a cause, and give your *illness* a diagnostic value. But how can they. Doctors do lack the means to make a proper diagnosis of electrosensitivity. And because they do not know, they advise you to consult a *shrink*. That is also the advice of the WHO. Do not forget, that the Authorities do not want electrosensitivity acknowledged, so they barr all study efforts in that direction. Overhere we had some cases where a physician gave a written testimony about electrosensitivtym but later in court, the declarations were withdrawn. The problem is also, that not many do understand what electrosensitivity really menas, and what its properties are. The reactions to an exposure of elektrosmog (notice that I alwasy write elektrosmog, because that contents much more than only RF radiation) may be direct, after a few minutes, but also hours later, even a day later. Most scientists think that electrosensitives do react like lamps. And for making the matter more complicated, I have found that even tine amounts of elektrosmog, which are hardly measurable, may cause harder health complaints than strong blazing masts. Biologically, frequencies between 5kHz and 10, up to 30MHz do the most damage. Do not forget, that these frequencies are *sailing* together with all other frequencies, whether they are high frequency carrier waves. And then we have also the biologically very effective *longitudinal waves*, who are in the THz region, which can travel a much longer distance than the measurable transversal waves. But they can be reflected in modest ways. |
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Yes Charles, Thank you.
But still , very obviously - all you are doing is describing the intellectual pathology of society at large. You do show why or how doctors etc are able to dismiss my and thousands of others and eventually everybodys' problems with microwaves (it will be everybody at some point). You say I cannot prove I have an illness. You know I don't plumb for the term illness.If you read my posts I clearly say I have no reason to be certain I am in any way ill just because the truly disgusting environment created by blanket microwave saturation of everywhere is something I cannot take. I have already said that. The term "microwave sickness" is better because it allows the possibility that one is simply reacting to a bad environment ( in a way not to be presumed indicative of an unhealthy body although it might be crippling). So really the issue is a toxic environment which, contrary to what you think, I strongly believe affects all life deleteriously, just me and some others more severely, sooner. Doctors are still indescribably stupid to dismiss my concerns in the way they do because if they are right technically to say I may not be have a disease they are assuming the environment destroyed by microwaves is fine and dandy. Your position that I must have a weakened body is one that you, in turn, are unable to prove. You may think that but you cannot prove it - as you might say! I have NO PROOF that my reactions are not just a heightened sensitivity which even could be compared to esp or something of that nature - neither do you, even if you have often come across so-called electrohypersensitivity in conjunction with other things like parasites, heavy metals etc. The anwaer to the whole conundrum of course - is common sense, but of course we can't use that being educated people etc. - but if we want answers we can also look to nature, where no self-respecting scientist apparently looks. What does nature want, hope for, try to achieve? These are not woolly hippyish questions because of course our bodies and even our minds in the end are part of nature so we can get solid real answers if we want and look in the right way . |
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Many make the mistake by calling it "microwave sickness"m which is not correct.
I always call and name it *elektrosmog*, which includes many other elements. It is the mix of elektrosmog elements, that does the trick. Many point to a mobile phone mast, while the real cause may be quite another source. (I know what I am talking about after 17 years measuring and observing electrosensitives.) So, some elektrosmog sources like for instance a DECT or a Wifi may have an influence on the body, but sustainable, but when a phone mast comes to it, the person may experience a serious impact, and (logically) points to the mast. But it may be quite possible, that in the now present mix, the DECT of Wifi may be the cause of the impact. Be aware that it is my opinion, that the frequencies from 5kHz up to 10MHz, or even 30MHz, are the most infuential ones, not the high frequency carriers. Be aware that all high frequencies do carry the aforementioned *middle-frequency* frequencies as modulations and else. Be also aware the the *longitudinal waves* do travel over a much longer distance than the measurable transversal waves. However, these longitudinal waves can be reflected easily, as I demonstrated on my homepage: See: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina600.html Even a charger for a laptop may create havoc to a person in the next room, although the fields are hardly measurable, and certainly not in the other room. So it is not the fieldstrength of an elektrosmog source that is important, but the fields of its longitudinal waves. Most electrosensitives can *feel* them precisely, and do react to them. Facit: When electrosensitives claim that they *feel* something, although the meters do not show anything, they are not silly, but do react to the longitudinal waves. (And some protection devices do something more or less with the longitudinal waves, where normal meters cannot show anything different at the source!) It remains stillmy opinion, that electrosensitive persons are just *sick*. They have a damaged immune system, with several different causes. They have an overload on microorganisms, poisons like heavy metals, a shortage on several minerals, vitamins, micronutrients, Schuessler salts, and other stuff, which I oulined in my 30 points plan. Two weeks ago I gave a demonstration with my NLS systems to a heavy electrosensitive person. Afterwards he phone me and sais, that normally when he came home, he could work only 15 minutes on his computer, but when he came home from my visit, he could work many hours at his computer. In the mean time, he has ordered his own NLS, as have other (electrosensitive) persons. |
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