Re: sleep disorder and bitter taste in the mouth

I had sleep issues for a very long time. I used to sleep for 8 to 10 hourswhen I was in my 20's. We had an ice storm a few years ago and after a week of no electricity I noticed that I was sleeping once again very long. That is when I first thought I was electrical sensitive. I got 20 stetzer filters and for awhile, maybe a week or two, I felt really good and slept really good again. Recently, I bought 10 more and have 30 in my home now. I've been sleeping very good and the effect is lasting this time. But I have also done a lot of other things that probably have contributed to me being able to sleep again. But I think the filters are mostly responsible.
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From: soulpro44
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 6:56 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: sleep disorder and bitter taste in the mouth


--- In [hidden email], "Cara" <cara_evangelista@...> wrote:
>Hey Hillel,

I have had massive sleep issues from ES, quite similar to yours--no
sleep for several days and then not feeling tired. Strange and scary
as well. I know that it was about a year ago that you wrote this post
but I am curious as to how you dealt with the problem.

--Seper
>
> Hello Hillel,
>
> Sleep disorder is very much related to ES. I think you may be the
> exception to the rule if you are ES but a good sleeper. My
husband's One whole
> nights.
> > My body felt like it was ON and buzzing, I just could not sleep,
> and I also
> > did not feel tired. after third night of this, I got a bit scared
> (hey, I am
> > a good sleeper), I decided to stop the wheat grass and I slept
ok
> last
> > night. now, this could also be due to stress, I am working hard
on
> my PhD
> > now, and scared that my health issues will prevent me from
holding a
> > deadline. Has any body had sleep disorder because of ES, and
> particularly
> > while taking supplements? I don't mean sleeping to much, I mean
> sleeping to
> > little!
>
> > HIllel
>



   

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Hi all,

I was just shopping online for some stereo equipment,
and came across the "Noise Harvester", which looks
like an interesting little plug-in device:

http://tinyurl.com/rs85h

I wonder if it has ES applications?

Marc

Hello Marc,

it looks like it works like those Stetzer filters.

Somebody should buy one and measure with a Stetzeriser meter.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 06:58
Subject: [eSens] Noise Harvester

Hi All

I just ordered the Noise Harvester. I have the Stetzer filters and
the meter so I will let you all know how it works.

Bill E



--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

> I just ordered the Noise Harvester. I have the Stetzer filters and
> the meter so I will let you all know how it works.

I'm also going to order one. I seem to be the only person in
the world who had a bad reaction to the Stetzer filters, so it'll
be interesting to see what my reaction will be to this (and
I also have a Stetzerizer meter to check readings).

Note that the manufacturer's website even has photos of oscilloscope
readings, which should make Shivani happy. :-)

http://www.psaudio.com/products/noiseharvester_overview.asp

Marc

> it looks like it works like those Stetzer filters.

As I understand it, the Stetzer filters reroutes
the line noise from the hot wire to the neutral
wire? I've tried 3 types of filters which work
using this principal, and all 3 of them gave me
a similar sort of irritation (sharp pain my
head was the main symptom).

The Noise Harvester doesn't claim to work like
this. Instead, it takes the noise from the
hot wire, temporarily stores it, and then
uses that to drive an LED. So there is
no transfer of the noise to the neutral
line.

I think this possibly would also make this
safer for households which may have some
of their outlets wired wired incorrectly?
(perhaps not)

The video on the manufacturers website shows
how the device flashes more rapidly when you
turn on a nearby dimmer switch, and also shows
how the oscilloscope meter changes as you plug
in one of the devices.

I've ordered one for myself, and will report
what I find. I no longer have any Stetzer
filters, so I cannot do a direct comparison,
but I'm sure others here can do that (I
do still have the Stetzer meter, though)

Marc

Hello Marc,

then you can see if it makes any difference in the mains.

You may test it in a powerbox.
Plug the Meter in, and then next to it the Noise Harvester.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 22:03
Subject: Re: [eSens] Noise Harvester

Where did you get this noise harvester and how much does it cost. I may beinterested in one.
----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Martin
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Noise Harvester


> it looks like it works like those Stetzer filters.

As I understand it, the Stetzer filters reroutes
the line noise from the hot wire to the neutral
wire? I've tried 3 types of filters which work
using this principal, and all 3 of them gave me
a similar sort of irritation (sharp pain my
head was the main symptom).

The Noise Harvester doesn't claim to work like
this. Instead, it takes the noise from the
hot wire, temporarily stores it, and then
uses that to drive an LED. So there is
no transfer of the noise to the neutral
line.

I think this possibly would also make this
safer for households which may have some
of their outlets wired wired incorrectly?
(perhaps not)

The video on the manufacturers website shows
how the device flashes more rapidly when you
turn on a nearby dimmer switch, and also shows
how the oscilloscope meter changes as you plug
in one of the devices.

I've ordered one for myself, and will report
what I find. I no longer have any Stetzer
filters, so I cannot do a direct comparison,
but I'm sure others here can do that (I
do still have the Stetzer meter, though)

Marc


   

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denom wrote:
> Where did you get this noise harvester and how much does it cost.

I got mine at:

http://audioadvisor.com/

They cost $85 each. From what I gather, they recommend about
5 for a whole house (but they recommend this based on
audio/video quality, not health).

Marc

Hello,

as fas as I can read, the Noise Harvester works in the frequency band of 8
and 12 kHz.

As far as I can measure, most disturbances are in the frequency band of 30
and 150 kHz.
So mostly just above 30 kHz.

Regarding regulations and norms, the frequency band between 1.25 and 150 kHz
is a grey area.

A German company with great experience with distorted tranformators and
capacitors warns against the use of more Stetzer filters, because than
unwanted resonances may occur, which can damage other electrical equipment.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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> as fas as I can read, the Noise Harvester works in the frequency band of
> 8 and 12 kHz.

Yes, although elsewhere I've read that it works at all frequencies above
8 khz. But perhaps that's just because it takes out the harmonics of
8khz-12khz noise?

Also, I've read that the Noise Harvester removes noise from both the
hot and the neutral wire, which is why the plug is not polarized. It
doesn't matter if it's plugged in upside down or not. It does nothing
to the ground connection, so there is no ground connection.

Oh well, all that really matters to me is whether it makes some sort of
difference in my ES symptoms while watching TV or using the computer,
and only some hands-on experience will tell me that!

(and I guess one could combine the Stetzer filters with these -- the
10khz noise introduced by the Stetzers will be taken out by the
Noise Harvesters!) :-)

Marc