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Re: shielding and grounding

SArjuna
> Andrew wrote:
> So whether you choose fabrics like the silver mesh, or silver cloth
> (which doesn't block much) or copper (medium shielding) or velostat or
> whatever, it has to be a pretty extensive cover of all the walls and
> windows and totally grounded. And still then stay away from the walls
> because the electric currents are running through it to ground. I sleep
> with my bed a couple of feet away from the walls.
>
Shivani replies:
Andrew, a couple of feet may not be nearly enough. Do you have a meter that
can distinguish between high and low freq. electric fields, and pick up
fields as low as .1 or .2 volts per meter? (Such as the Multidetector II Profi.)
If high frequency electrical pollluton is present on the
walls/wiring/conductive matrials you used to shield, it can broadcast further than a couple of
feet.

Andrew wrote?
> It is interesting... my body voltage meter picks up electric fields
> from the walls and then when I touch it, it goes to 0.0 because it is
> grounded. I guess what I am standing on is not grounded and I am
> radiating with the wall and then when I touch it the electricity from
> my body has somewhere to go in the wall.
>
Shivani replies:
Or, the electricity from the wall has somewhere to go in your body!

> Andrew wrote:
> My message is try to block the direct stuff outside the house so you
> don't have to deal with it in the house and then in the house be sure
> the electric fields are grounded and you get a good seal.
> Good luck and let me know what works for you.
>
Shivani replies:
"Grounding" is actually getting to be a misnomer. The ground is no
longer at zero potential, as it is being used by the utilities to carry return
current. Therefore, grounding often results in bringing in the
health-damaging high frequencies. Have you checked this with a meter as I described
above?
Personally, I know I am very sensitive to .3 volts per meter electric
field if it contains the high frequencies. As my symptoms begin within a few
minutes and are intense, I presume that my actual threshold is below that.
I'd suggest that an ES person check his/her entire house with a meter
like this. A phone cord, for example, has an RF field that begins at least 5
feet from the cord. Most water pipes are similar.
Regards,
Shivani


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Re: shielding and grounding

charles-4
Hello Shivani,

the Multidetektor II Profi is a shambles and does NOT measure correctly.

Somebody had shielded some walls with special LF Paint, but measured still
high values.
I had to remeasure it with a grounded serious meter, and the values were
correct, as one should expect.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 18:27
Subject: [eSens] Re: shielding and grounding


>> Andrew wrote:
>> So whether you choose fabrics like the silver mesh, or silver cloth
>> (which doesn't block much) or copper (medium shielding) or velostat or
>> whatever, it has to be a pretty extensive cover of all the walls and
>> windows and totally grounded. And still then stay away from the walls
>> because the electric currents are running through it to ground. I sleep
>> with my bed a couple of feet away from the walls.
>>
> Shivani replies:
> Andrew, a couple of feet may not be nearly enough. Do you have a meter
> that
> can distinguish between high and low freq. electric fields, and pick up
> fields as low as .1 or .2 volts per meter? (Such as the Multidetector
> II Profi.)
> If high frequency electrical pollluton is present on the
> walls/wiring/conductive matrials you used to shield, it can broadcast
> further than a couple of
> feet.
>
> Andrew wrote?
>> It is interesting... my body voltage meter picks up electric fields
>> from the walls and then when I touch it, it goes to 0.0 because it is
>> grounded. I guess what I am standing on is not grounded and I am
>> radiating with the wall and then when I touch it the electricity from
>> my body has somewhere to go in the wall.
>>
> Shivani replies:
> Or, the electricity from the wall has somewhere to go in your body!
>
>> Andrew wrote:
>> My message is try to block the direct stuff outside the house so you
>> don't have to deal with it in the house and then in the house be sure
>> the electric fields are grounded and you get a good seal.
>> Good luck and let me know what works for you.
>>
> Shivani replies:
> "Grounding" is actually getting to be a misnomer. The ground is no
> longer at zero potential, as it is being used by the utilities to carry
> return
> current. Therefore, grounding often results in bringing in the
> health-damaging high frequencies. Have you checked this with a meter as
> I described
> above?
> Personally, I know I am very sensitive to .3 volts per meter electric
> field if it contains the high frequencies. As my symptoms begin within
> a few
> minutes and are intense, I presume that my actual threshold is below that.
> I'd suggest that an ES person check his/her entire house with a meter
> like this. A phone cord, for example, has an RF field that begins at
> least 5
> feet from the cord. Most water pipes are similar.
> Regards,
> Shivani
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: shielding and grounding

Andrew McAfee
In reply to this post by SArjuna
My body voltage meter reads 0.00 when I am touching the wall that is
grounded. To me that says that more energy is flowing down to earth
that up into me.
I could be wrong about this and hope someone will teach me another way
of checking for this.
I do dowse for the earth lines, Hartman (electrical return) lines, etc.
and have learned from Slim Spurling how to lay down copper wire to
reroute the Hartman lines around a space. I don't have a body meter
other than my body voltage meter to help register what my body is
picking up. In addition I also have a Profi II RF meter, triple meter
electic/guass/microwave meter, 2 different low grade RF and WiFi
detectors, and Stetzer meter. The guass meter is the closest thing to
my body voltage meter for registering the house currents.
I am open to suggestions.
Andrew

On Jan 19, 2006, at 12:27 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

>> Andrew wrote:
>> So whether you choose fabrics like the silver mesh, or silver cloth
>> (which doesn't block much) or copper (medium shielding) or velostat or
>> whatever, it has to be a pretty extensive cover of all the walls and
>> windows and totally grounded. And still then stay away from the walls
>> because the electric currents are running through it to ground. I
>> sleep
>> with my bed a couple of feet away from the walls.
>>
> Shivani replies:
> Andrew, a couple of feet may not be nearly enough. Do you have a
> meter that
> can distinguish between high and low freq. electric fields, and pick up
> fields as low as .1 or .2 volts per meter? (Such as the
> Multidetector II Profi.)
> If high frequency electrical pollluton is present on the
> walls/wiring/conductive matrials you used to shield, it can broadcast
> further than a couple of
> feet.
>
> Andrew wrote?
>> It is interesting... my body voltage meter picks up electric fields
>> from the walls and then when I touch it, it goes to 0.0 because it is
>> grounded. I guess what I am standing on is not grounded and I am
>> radiating with the wall and then when I touch it the electricity from
>> my body has somewhere to go in the wall.
>>
> Shivani replies:
> Or, the electricity from the wall has somewhere to go in your body!
>
>> Andrew wrote:
>> My message is try to block the direct stuff outside the house so you
>> don't have to deal with it in the house and then in the house be sure
>> the electric fields are grounded and you get a good seal.
>> Good luck and let me know what works for you.
>>
> Shivani replies:
> "Grounding" is actually getting to be a misnomer. The ground
> is no
> longer at zero potential, as it is being used by the utilities to
> carry return
> current. Therefore, grounding often results in bringing in the
> health-damaging high frequencies. Have you checked this with a
> meter as I described
> above?
> Personally, I know I am very sensitive to .3 volts per meter
> electric
> field if it contains the high frequencies. As my symptoms begin
> within a few
> minutes and are intense, I presume that my actual threshold is below
> that.
> I'd suggest that an ES person check his/her entire house with a
> meter
> like this. A phone cord, for example, has an RF field that begins
> at least 5
> feet from the cord. Most water pipes are similar.
> Regards,
> Shivani
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: shielding and grounding

snoshoe_2
Shivani, do you know if it makes any significant difference the water
pipe material? Metal vs. plastic. Static build up on the plastic I'm
thinking would be the most it would do when nothing's moving through
them.

~Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@n...> wrote:
A phone cord, for example, has an RF field that begins
> > at least 5
> > feet from the cord. Most water pipes are similar.
> > Regards,
> > Shivani

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Re: shielding and grounding

Marc Martin
Administrator
> Shivani, do you know if it makes any significant difference the water
> pipe material? Metal vs. plastic. Static build up on the plastic I'm
> thinking would be the most it would do when nothing's moving through
> them.

You're assuming that the pipes are the main problem. Water can pick
up frequencies too, and I suppose one could pick up these frequencies
with exposure to the water (?)

Marc

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Bio Pro chips

Mariannfm-2
In reply to this post by charles-4
I'm seeking opinions about the effectiveness of BioPro Chips and the
home harmonizer they sell.
Thanks

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Re: Bio Pro chips

Marc Martin
Administrator
Mariann Martin wrote:
> I'm seeking opinions about the effectiveness of BioPro Chips and the
> home harmonizer they sell.

At one point we had somone who sold these on the list, but I don't
think we ever really learned anything about their effectiveness.
I haven't tried them.

Marc