Re: liver

Hello Franz,
It sounds like we both have pretty similar symptoms. As far as liver panel
tests are concerned, mine were practically always normal too. I've read that
unless you are on the verge of liver failure these tests are worse than
useless. I've been to 3 different alternative physicians who each through
their own diagnostic procedure without me telling them that anybody else
said so told me my liver was very toxic. My CT scan also showed fatty liver,
3 cysts, a line of calcification in one lobe, & some scarring. The only way
I found this out was by requesting a CT scan on my own. As I said, my liver
panel tests were normal. Another test that is totally useless is the
standard blood test that's done for heavy metals. Unless you've just been
recently poisoned, you could be chock full of metal & it wouldn't show
anything at all because it's already stored in your organs. If you want a
valid test it has to be an IV challange where you collect your urine or poop
after being given an IV with a chelating agent in it.
Even then, the test might not show things being as bad as they actually
are if your livers plugged up. When I had my initial test for heavy metals,
it showed high levels of lead, nickel, & bismuth. After 10 IV chelations, I
had another test done. It showed lead & nickel down by 1/3, & bismuth
completely gone. But I hadn't showed any trace of arsenic or mercury
initially. On the second test arsenic was as high as lead had been initially
& mercury was nearly that high. Also, smaller amounts of other things such
as tin & antimony showed up that hadn't been detected initially. So, it
seems like as things open up, different things that hadn't shown up before
will start coming out of some other location within your liver.
As far as the oil slick you mention when you poop, that's a pretty
good indication from what I've read that your liver isn't working right.
It's not digesting the fat you eat properly.
Other indications of course are light colored stools.
Also, I don't know whether you've ever experienced this phenomona or not
but have you ever had burps that people told you smelled like farts.
If you'd like any info on the doctors I mentioned that diagnosed my liver
toxicity I can provide it.
As I sit here in front of the computer I can feel my liver draining. It
didn't start until after I'd been sitting here a few minutes. As I said in
another post, I expect that soon I will probably start feeling a heat &
numbness in my feet followed by a burning sensation & brain fogging in my
head if I stay here too long. I believe that the electrical field is somehow
causing my liver to drain bile with toxins in it.
I'm 52 years old. After leaviing college, I went to work for Boeing in
Seattle, Washington as a computer systems analyst in 1977. At that time, the
computers used were still large IBM mainframe computers. There was no such
thing as CRT terminals or PC's at that time. We wrote our programs on paper,
had keypunch operators transfer them to punch cards that were fed into the
computer. We had no contact whatsoever with the computer. The next step was
inputing programs in through a teletype machine. Up to this point, I was
happy & healthy. Then about 1981 I think, they went to CRT's. I & several
other people almost simultaneously became severely depressed. We all at that
time attributed it to too much stress, certain life events or just plain
depression which of course had & has no real explanation. After 2 more years
of struggling to function I resigned & went back home to Ohio to take over
the family farm. I began to recover slowly, but had become sensitive to AC
current in the house. I stayed outside all day every day & felt like shit
every morning when I woke up & would gradually feel better & better as the
day went on. At that time, I attributed the problems I had in the house to
mold or, sewer gas, or a lack of light, or whatever. I couldn't even imagine
it could have anything to do with electrical current. It took a long time
to figure that out because nobody had even dreamt such a thing at that time.
But anyway, it's obvious looking back, that that was going on ever since
CRT's were introduced at Boeing.
Also, looking back there are certain episodes I'd had even as a child
that make me pretty certain my liver wasn't what it should have been from
the time I was a little baby. I'd say I got heavy metal poisoning in the 1st
few years of life. It's been one long struggle to fight through all the
aftermath of a toxic liver such as chemical sensitivity, allergies,
infections of various kinds, to get to where you could begin to see the
forest for the trees so to speak & come to believe as I do now that it all
began with being poisoned at an early age to the extent that my livers
ability to function & eliminate toxins was weakened compared to the average
person.
Hopefully, we're just on the very edge of understanding this whole mess &
have a standard protocol for recovery so all the millions of people who've
been half poisoned, had their livers fucked up, & their lives totally fucked
up won't have to go through all this misery.
Like I said, it sounds to me like we have pretty similar problems, if
there's anything else I can tell you or you can tell me, let me know.

John M.

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Hello,

it is my experience, that people who have *cleansed* their liver (and have
gotten out a lot of gall stones) according the principle og Hulda Clark, are
feeling much better afterwards, and they can stand the electrosmog much
better.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
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Hello,
Of course all I have to relate to is my own experience with these tests. As I said, with me they gave absolutely no indication of the toxic substances that have been stored in my liver. The reason I use the phrase "worse than useless" is that for years my liver panel tests were used as convincing proof by doctors to me that my liver was perfectly normal. Because of this, I never considered that my liver could have anything to do with my illness. I feel that many years were wasted for me because I didn't know enough to question this.
As far as the CT scan is concerned, all I know is what it said on the radiologists report. I have a copy of it. I could hunt it up & read it to you word for word if you'd like.
The doctors I mention are all in Ohio where I live.
The first to give me this diagnosis was a chiropractor who touched various points on my body while using muscle testing to see which organs weren't functioning properly. His name is John Bashline. His practice is located in Flushing, Ohio.
The second was a naturopathic physician located in Akron, Ohio. His name is Gene Hummel. His phone is 330-990-2829. His method for diagnosis is very interesting. I think he said it was called a Phazyx. I think there's a web site for it. It uses a computer which receives input from a wrist band with a metal conductor attached that is wired to the device which translates electrical signals for input into the computer.
The algorithm that is run on the computer transmits different frequencies that corrospond to the frequencies of , I think he said over 10000 substances, body systems, pathogens, & etc. to the wrist of the subject & then receives an electrical response back for each.
In another post, I mentioned that NAET employs vials that have been imprinted with electrical frequencies that correspond to each substance. So I believe this is basically an automated, much cheaper, much faster variation of NAET. I also remember seeing on Hulda Clark's website a long list of pathogens & the electrical frequencies corresponding to each. I think there's some sort of electrical device they use also for diagnosis & treatment by making use of these electrical frequencies.
It takes about 20 minutes for the computer to go through all 10000 items. When the program finishes it gives a detailed indication of abnormalities such as abnormal functioning organs, pathogens currently in the body, & a list of deficiencies & substances that would be most beneficial in restoring health. I know it sounds like bullshit, but it came up with several things I already knew about myself before it was used. For one thing, I had a chest cold when I did it & it said my lungs were stressed & that I had a virus.
And as I already mentioned, it indicated that I had a toxic liver. He put me on a liver suppliment which was indicated by the program along with several other things to begin to detoxify my liver. I began trying to clean out my liver at this time by also doing liver flushes as detailed by Hulda Clark.
The third physician is a nutritionalist who tests by taking a saliva sample, a urine sample, adding some substance to each of these and doing some sort of lab analysis on them. He also closely examined my eyes. Based on his initial analysis he said that he didn't know my previous history but he said whatever I was doing, it was killing me. He said my liver was in sad shape & prescribed a program to begin to detoxify & heal it. He said that if I adhered strictly to what he said, it would take about 4 years for my liver to return to perfect health. I've incorporated several things including IV chelation in hopes of making the recovery time a lot less.
I do adhere to his recommendations though they are very very severe. One thing is that during the day you alternate drinking 8 ounces of distilled water with 8 ounces of lemon juice every hour. This is the most inconvenient aspect of the program & I'm not totally adhering to this part all the time. The next thing is the diet. There are a number of foods you absolutely can't eat. Apparently some of these correspond to things which are forbidden in the bible though this program has nothing to do with any religion. The main things you don't eat are, white flour, cane sugar, white potatoes, butter or any dairy products with any butter fat in them, no skinned fish, such as cat fish, or tuna, no shellfish & by far the absolute most important of all is no pork or pork products. According to him, you should even go so far as to throw away any cookware that's ever had pork, bacon, ham, or whatever cooked in it & buy new.
What you are supposed to eat is 3 meals a day, a salad with lunch & dinner, plenty of fruit, & anything not on the bad list.
This nutritionalist's name is Chalen Wycoff. He is located in St. Clairsville, Ohio. His phone number is 740-695-9188.

John M.