Re: flying and electrosensitivity

Hello Kon
 
Welcome to the forum. Do not worry about asking a silly question - we are all here to learn from each other - I too would love to know any tips for trying to fly while being ES so I will be glad if your question has stimulated answers on this issue.
Best wishes
 
Steph

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From: kraftlos <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] flying and electrosensitivity
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, 9 March, 2009, 8:38 PM






Hey,

I'm a new member of these forum and so always on the risk to ask silly questions that where asked and answered lots of times already.

My girlfriend got badly electrosensitiv during the last year. Her pretty metallic teeth are all redone but I didn't help so far. It started with mobile phones, then wireless internet and know it's even regular light bulbs that can cause headaches. We are searching for a solution very hard.
If someone could advise some former entries in this forum that gives some hints to experts or therapies that would be very nice.

But my original questions is: How do I know if she can flight? I tried to find information' s on flying with electro sensitivity … but couldn't.
I found a isolated house on an isolated island I really believe it can onlydo her good. But how to get there???

Thanks a lot for any advise.

Kon from Ulm, Germany

















     

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Hi Diane
 
This was a great post with a lot of sense in it. When things are really badI fantasise about living on a remote island or a remote[ish] mountain typelocation so I do think that being away [to facilitate avoidance] would help reduce some inflammation and would be a healing thing to do - it would atleast give a body some comfort because there is no pleasure in soldiering on in modern day urban or even suburban conditions as they are now. Can youshare with me your tips that you use to enable you to use the computer without feeling the after effects because the absence of even being able to goonline is leaving me feeling more isolated than usual and it would be helpful to try to overcome this!
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 


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Subject: Re: [eSens] flying and electrosensitivity
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, 10 March, 2009, 8:54 PM






Hi, Kon,
 
No question is too silly here--just read back over some of my posts.  ;)  Seriously, tho, how can you learn if you can't ask?  
 
Kon, I have no experience with flying (wish I could fly, but pesticides aremy problem and anaphylaxis in the air is a scary thought).  If, however, your girlfriend has no pesticide or mcs problems, then flying probably will be ok for her.  I disagree with the others here on the subject of getting away from ES on an island.  (Can I come too???  j/k)  If your girlfriend were to get away and THEN, on the island, be able to detox successfully, take the needed supplementation, and get her body back to a healthy place, she might react worse when she returned to civilization or she might not.  (She might not even react at all!)  Nobody here knows what would happen.  Sometimesreplies here are just conjecture-- not hard facts.  I have been told by medical doctors to get away from electrical/magnetic sources as much as possible because it is harder to heal when you are fighting multiple battles at the same time.  It is likely your girlfriend
would react again when she returned to civilization, but it is not likely she would react worse--though it might feel that way because she will have forgotten by then how she feels now.  I would welcome a vacation away, even if it were just that.  But realize that even getting away to an island might not work out if there is electricity there.  And, she would need some lifeline to civilization, because one can get into sticky situations sometimes when one tries to detox.  Detoxing is not easy and she will feel like crap for a long time from that.  Detoxing heavy metals from tooth fillings can be esp difficult.  That said, I still do not agree that going away to an island is necessarily a bad thing.  I think one reason many of us have so much problems detoxing is that wecontinue to stay in an electrified environment.  (And that, too, is just opinion.) 
 
Marc has a page that addresses some of the therapies we have discussed in the past, but I think each person here has to post to it and I haven't personally done that--so know there is more info out there, because many here may have not done that.  For me, tho, supplementation and detoxing have so far been the best helps.  If you desire to hear what has helped me, you can write me personally and I will send you further info on that.  Avoidance of emfs is still most important for me, however..  (But I am able to live a fairly normal life other than avoiding various places/things. )  I have been able to find ways to enable me to be on computer for long periods of time, daily, for instance.  I have been able to find the problems and address most of them in my home (I bought another house I hoped would be even better, but it turned out to be worse--don't know yet if I can in time make it safer; I hope so).  I am telling you this so you
understand-- healing from es is usually a combo of avoidance techniques, addressing house/car problems, and treating the body.  It is not a "one fix addresses all" type of thing. 
 
My 2 cents, for what it is worth,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/9/09, kraftlos <kraftlos@yahoo. de> wrote:

From: kraftlos <kraftlos@yahoo. de>
Subject: [eSens] flying and electrosensitivity
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 4:38 PM

Hey,

I'm a new member of these forum and so always on the risk to ask silly questions that where asked and answered lots of times already.

My girlfriend got badly electrosensitiv during the last year. Her pretty metallic teeth are all redone but I didn't help so far. It started with mobile phones, then wireless internet and know it's even regular light bulbs that can cause headaches. We are searching for a solution very hard.
If someone could advise some former entries in this forum that gives some hints to experts or therapies that would be very nice.

But my original questions is: How do I know if she can flight? I tried to find information' s on flying with electro sensitivity … but couldn't.
I found a isolated house on an isolated island I really believe it can onlydo her good. But how to get there???

Thanks a lot for any advise.

Kon from Ulm, Germany

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Hello Kon,

When my wife was severely ES, we found a cottage for the summer (2005) in a
remote location with no mobile phone signal. (When we were at home she was
also sleeping in a tent by a nearby lake to try to get some relief). We
found it was a real help to her and gave a break from the symptoms. It was
also a help to both of us psychologically as it gave us a break from
fighting the normal environment and gave us some hope. When she returned
home it did not worsen her symptoms - in fact we think the better sleep had
helped bring some healing. Getting there was the biggest problem as she did
not tolerate cars well. I don't suppose there is a boat service to your
remote island?

The good news is that since then, Sue's ES has responded to various
treatments for underlying MCS, autoimmune problems etc, and she is now able
to lead a reasonably normal life, although we still turn the power off at
night to help her sleep. The biggest problem is finding the right tests to
identify the best treatment for the underlying problem - there seem to be
lots of possible causes for autoimmune diseases which lead to MCS, ES etc.

We have another friend who has lived in various remote locations and
ES-benign houses and it certainly seems to make his life more tolerable.

Best wishes, Ian


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Stephanie Smith
Sent: 18 March 2009 20:12
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Subject: Re: [eSens] flying and electrosensitivity



Hello Kon

Welcome to the forum. Do not worry about asking a silly question - we are
all here to learn from each other - I too would love to know any tips for
trying to fly while being ES so I will be glad if your question has
stimulated answers on this issue.
Best wishes

Steph

--- On Mon, 9/3/09, kraftlos <kraftlos@yahoo. <mailto:kraftlos%40yahoo.de>
de> wrote:

From: kraftlos <kraftlos@yahoo. <mailto:kraftlos%40yahoo.de> de>
Subject: [eSens] flying and electrosensitivity
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Date: Monday, 9 March, 2009, 8:38 PM

Hey,

I'm a new member of these forum and so always on the risk to ask silly
questions that where asked and answered lots of times already.

My girlfriend got badly electrosensitiv during the last year. Her pretty
metallic teeth are all redone but I didn't help so far. It started with
mobile phones, then wireless internet and know it's even regular light bulbs
that can cause headaches. We are searching for a solution very hard.
If someone could advise some former entries in this forum that gives some
hints to experts or therapies that would be very nice.

But my original questions is: How do I know if she can flight? I tried to
find information' s on flying with electro sensitivity . but couldn't.
I found a isolated house on an isolated island I really believe it can only
do her good. But how to get there???

Thanks a lot for any advise.

Kon from Ulm, Germany

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Hi again, Steph,
 
I use the B12 sublinguals we discussed previously before bed, for one thing--a recent find and it still helps alot.
 
Vitamin D3, calcium AEP, and pantethine all help.  Espom salts baths (soaking in 2# salts/tub of hot water) helps me but not the first day--usually I am worse immediately after the salts baths (for one thing, I always have to rebalance my electrolytes after the soak and drink alot of good spring water;  the epsom salts soak can often wear me out and I have the sense--and can sometimes see by the color of the water--that I have been detoxing while soaking).
 
What kind of computer do you have, Steph?  If you have a laptop, I might be able to tell you a few fixes for that.  Also keeping my computerentirely unplugged between uses makes a difference (even removing the wires from the cable box, etc).  I mentioned this in a previous post today.  And, because my laptop doesn't have a polarized plug, but it does make a difference which direction you plug it in, I have the top of the plugmarked so I always get it right.  Other fixes along this line that have helped me are things like: don't plug in anything on the same outlet as your puter, plug your puter and dsl box (if you use one) into separate outlets, have the computer and dsl box at least 6 to 8 feet fromyour phone and each other.  I have been told that it would be better still to have these on separate circuits altogether, but I don't have that set up here in my home.  But this idea applies in other ways--don't have your computer on the same
circuit as your fridge or something else you cannot unplug.   
 
I have also been told not to have them near the tv or a radio and I did experiment with this and found that to be true.  I had worse emf from thecomputer when the tv was plugged in next to it (even if not in the same outlet).  So I got into the habit of unplugging all appliances (except the fridge) when I am done with them--that helped alot, tho I didn't notice the difference for about a month.  (My energy was better andsymptoms lessened.)  Having computer holidays--going several days at a time without getting on the computer when I haven't slept well or I am feeling weary or stressed also seems to help me.  I try, for instance, to always stay off during the weekends.  And I alsofind getting good quality recreation helps me--going out walking in the fresh air near a lake or river, in a forest, (a beach, I wish!) helps me in general.  Any time you are generally better, you cope better on the computer. 
 
If you can, use your computer off-line as much as possible.  Have someone transfer your mail messages to Microsoft Word (or I have done it myself sometimes).  Then I unplug all the computer connections and answer my mail off line.  I get back online only long enough to send the messages.  I do the same with sites I want to read, when I am not doing well with emfs from the computer.  I copy and paste them to Word and read the off-line there.  My last computer I could use on battery (with this laptop I had to completely remove the battery--emfs were bouncing off of it for some reason).  When I had the laptopon battery power, I had no emfs when I was off-line. 
 
Most of these are just common sense solutions.  Marc, however, uses some helps that are of a more technical nature:  the personal polarizers, computer screen shields, emf transformers....  I havesome mention crystals.  (I like to compute with plants!  I like plants around me; but it might be I just like plants!  lol)
 
Also, when I was REALLY reactive to the computer, I fashioned a loose heavy aluminum foil hat (folded shiny side out and like a sailboat--remember making those as a child?)  I also made a shield for my body--cardboard covered with the heavy foil that I could strap on (my arms were still exposed).
 
Steph, because you are otherwise ill, right now, you would naturally be feeling worse computing.  Probably best right now to take frequent computer holidays when you can.
 
Hope some of these ideas help you,
Diane



--- On Wed, 3/18/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] flying and electrosensitivity
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 4:19 PM






Hi Diane
 
This was a great post with a lot of sense in it. When things are really badI fantasise about living on a remote island or a remote[ish] mountain typelocation so I do think that being away [to facilitate avoidance] would help reduce some inflammation and would be a healing thing to do - it would atleast give a body some comfort because there is no pleasure in soldiering on in modern day urban or even suburban conditions as they are now. Can youshare with me your tips that you use to enable you to use the computer without feeling the after effects because the absence of even being able to goonline is leaving me feeling more isolated than usual and it would be helpful to try to overcome this!
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 

--- On Tue, 10/3/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] flying and electrosensitivity
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 10 March, 2009, 8:54 PM

Hi, Kon,
 
No question is too silly here--just read back over some of my posts.  ;)  Seriously, tho, how can you learn if you can't ask?  
 
Kon, I have no experience with flying (wish I could fly, but pesticides aremy problem and anaphylaxis in the air is a scary thought).  If, however, your girlfriend has no pesticide or mcs problems, then flying probably will be ok for her.  I disagree with the others here on the subject of getting away from ES on an island.  (Can I come too???  j/k)  If your girlfriend were to get away and THEN, on the island, be able to detox successfully, take the needed supplementation, and get her body back to a healthy place, she might react worse when she returned to civilization or she might not.  (She might not even react at all!)  Nobody here knows what would happen.  Sometimesreplies here are just conjecture-- not hard facts.  I have been told by medical doctors to get away from electrical/magnetic sources as much as possible because it is harder to heal when you are fighting multiple battles at the same time.  It is likely your girlfriend
would react again when she returned to civilization, but it is not likely she would react worse--though it might feel that way because she will have forgotten by then how she feels now.  I would welcome a vacation away, even if it were just that.  But realize that even getting away to an island might not work out if there is electricity there.  And, she would need some lifeline to civilization, because one can get into sticky situations sometimes when one tries to detox.  Detoxing is not easy and she will feel like crap for a long time from that.  Detoxing heavy metals from tooth fillings can be esp difficult.  That said, I still do not agree that going away to an island is necessarily a bad thing.  I think one reason many of us have so much problems detoxing is that wecontinue to stay in an electrified environment.  (And that, too, is just opinion.) 
 
Marc has a page that addresses some of the therapies we have discussed in the past, but I think each person here has to post to it and I haven't personally done that--so know there is more info out there, because many here may have not done that.  For me, tho, supplementation and detoxing have so far been the best helps.  If you desire to hear what has helped me, you can write me personally and I will send you further info on that.  Avoidance of emfs is still most important for me, however..  (But I am able to live a fairly normal life other than avoiding various places/things. )  I have been able to find ways to enable me to be on computer for long periods of time, daily, for instance.  I have been able to find the problems and address most of them in my home (I bought another house I hoped would be even better, but it turned out to be worse--don't know yet if I can in time make it safer; I hope so).  I am telling you this so you
understand-- healing from es is usually a combo of avoidance techniques, addressing house/car problems, and treating the body.  It is not a "one fix addresses all" type of thing. 
 
My 2 cents, for what it is worth,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/9/09, kraftlos <kraftlos@yahoo. de> wrote:

From: kraftlos <kraftlos@yahoo. de>
Subject: [eSens] flying and electrosensitivity
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 4:38 PM

Hey,

I'm a new member of these forum and so always on the risk to ask silly questions that where asked and answered lots of times already.

My girlfriend got badly electrosensitiv during the last year. Her pretty metallic teeth are all redone but I didn't help so far. It started with mobile phones, then wireless internet and know it's even regular light bulbs that can cause headaches. We are searching for a solution very hard.
If someone could advise some former entries in this forum that gives some hints to experts or therapies that would be very nice.

But my original questions is: How do I know if she can flight? I tried to find information' s on flying with electro sensitivity … but couldn't.
I found a isolated house on an isolated island I really believe it can onlydo her good. But how to get there???

Thanks a lot for any advise.

Kon from Ulm, Germany

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