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Ian Kemp

Re: fluorescent lights and emission frequencies

Thanks Vinny for a really useful and thorough answer. This ought to be
archived somehow in a knowledge bank of useful ES facts!
Ian

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Vinny Pinto
Sent: 29 August 2006 03:00
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: lights
Importance: High

Hi Ian:

Although some sectors of the flurosescent bulb manufacturing industry
are trying to move away from using mercury in such bulbs due to
regulatory pressure, it has been used in small amounts for many years
in most fluorescent bulbs because mercury vapor -- i.e., in a gaseous
form -- tends to fill the interior of the bulb at room temperature,
and this metallic vapor readily ionizes in the presence of an applied
electrical field, and thus facilitates easier lighting of the bulb
from cold start and also facilitates lighting of the bulb at a lower
voltage than would normally be needed (a relatively high voltage is
briefly needed to fire up a fluorescent bulb at startup.)

And, speaking as an ex-EE and as a scientist, yes, fluorescent bulbs
tend to emit far more RF-range EMF than incandescent bulbs and for
several reasons:

1) the solid state circuitry used in most modern low-wattage
fluorescent bulbs sold as replacements for incandescent bulbs tend to
emit a fair amount of "noise"; actual amount will depend upon design
and construction techniques.

2) a fluoresecent bulb, much like a neon bulb, consists of an
electrical discharge through a plasma -- that is, through hot excited
gases -- and such plasmas, particularly when under AC electrical
excitation (as in such a bulb as we are discussing), are very
"noisy", that is, they tend to radiate an EMF signal at a wide range
of freqencies ranging from low audio range through the RF range to
perhaps high VHF range or low UHF range. Such plasmas and their
non-classical radiations are often considered desirable when
designing and constructing a device such as a Rife plasma Beam Ray
device (where the excitation frequencies are carefully controlled and
modulated).

3) Further, such chaotic plasmas in fluorsecent bulbs as considered
in item 2 above are widely considered by many to convert a small
portion of this rather chaotic and incoherent noise energy into a
so-called scalar or subtle energy form rather than emitting it all as
classical or traditional Hertzian EMF wavesand heat and light. Many
folks feel that humans and other life forms are uniquely sensitive to
such chaotic noise energy emitted in the form of such non-Hertzian or
non-classical fields, and that these chaotic non-Hertzian or
non-classical fields can cause disruption of bioenergy systems
(including the various levels of chi [aka qi] or prana) within the biofield.

with care,
--Vinny

At 09:40 PM 8/28/2006, you wrote:
>Thanks, this does fit the symptoms for some people I know, but one thing
>that has puzzled
>me before is why is there mercury vapour in fluorescent lights?
>Ian
>
> _____
>
>From: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf
Of

>bbin37
>Sent: 29 August 2006 02:05
>To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
>Subject: [eSens] Re: lights
>
>
>
>With ES symptoms occurring with even the low energy mercury bulbs this
>could point to reaction from resonance. Since a portion of
>fluorescent bulb EMR is from excited mercury vapor perhaps people with
>deposits of mercury in their bodies could have those deposits excited
>into sympathetic vibration. If those deposits are on or in the nerves
>you'd have those nerves being stimulated. I haven't seen any studies
>on this but I think reacting to the "mercury" quality of the
>fluorescent EMR may be a large factor for some.
>
>-B
>--- In eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Ian Kemp"
><ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
> >
> > Is it really proven that the circuitry is the problem? It's a
>likely cause,
> > but I doubt that it has been systematically investigated in
>isolation from
> > other factors. For example, several studies show that ES reactions
>often
> > depend on the particular frequency. So the problem with fluorescent
>lights
> > (and low energy light bulbs) could be that they produce a wider range of
> > frequencies than a normal incandescent bulb, including more in the
>region
> > which people react to. Powerwatch measured higher RF effects from
> > fluorescent tubes than standard bulbs.
> > Ian

Vinny Pinto
vinny@mindspring. <mailto:vinny%40mindspring.com> com

phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
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Vinny Pinto

Re: fluorescent lights and emission frequencies

Hi Ian:

Thaks for your kind words, but I simply offered what I could; I hope
it helped! Well, there is even more information on these
non-classical or non-Hertzian fields -- sometimes called scalar
fields or subtle energy fields -- emitted by manmade equipment on an
informational page on my Coherent Space website (the page may be
found at www.coherentspace.info/coherent-space-1.html ), but a lot of
vendors that I know are not really comfortable with that page,
because it talks openly about the fact that the so-called quantum
quieting EMF remediative devices, as well as the conceptual
explanations of how they work, are really on or beyond the cutting
edge of modern scientific understanding. Some vendors have a major
allergy to such frank talk, and much prefer to insinuate (no matter
how incorrect that insinutation may be) that such devices are very
"scientific", and that their use is fully tested and backed by
"science". In reality, this field of EMF effects, particularly
through non-Hertzian emissions or fields, is a very fuzzy field of
inquiry, and I prefer to be honest about the fuzziness. I guess many
vendors and their potential customers prefer comfortable fantasy
about "science" to hard-core reality about fuzziness and ambiguity!
Of course, it is also true that my website is not really a marketing
website, and is more of an informational website, as I am not trying
to sell large volumes of such devices, nor to sell them to people who
might not need them.

For me, and I have designed such devices since 1974, the reality is
that while I happen to be a trained electronics engineer (aka EE),
and while I happen to have a grad degree in the sciences and a lot of
formal graduate level education beyond that level, well, when work on
designing such devices, it is far more done by intuition and inner
guidance than by "science". Period.

with care,
--Vinny

At 10:07 PM 8/28/2006, you wrote:

>Thanks Vinny for a really useful and thorough answer. This ought to be
>archived somehow in a knowledge bank of useful ES facts!
>Ian
>
> _____
>
>From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>Vinny Pinto
>Sent: 29 August 2006 03:00
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: lights
>Importance: High
>
>
>
>Hi Ian:
>
>Although some sectors of the flurosescent bulb manufacturing industry
>are trying to move away from using mercury in such bulbs due to
>regulatory pressure, it has been used in small amounts for many years
>in most fluorescent bulbs because mercury vapor -- i.e., in a gaseous
>form -- tends to fill the interior of the bulb at room temperature,
>and this metallic vapor readily ionizes in the presence of an applied
>electrical field, and thus facilitates easier lighting of the bulb
>from cold start and also facilitates lighting of the bulb at a lower
>voltage than would normally be needed (a relatively high voltage is
>briefly needed to fire up a fluorescent bulb at startup.)
>
>And, speaking as an ex-EE and as a scientist, yes, fluorescent bulbs
>tend to emit far more RF-range EMF than incandescent bulbs and for
>several reasons:
>
>1) the solid state circuitry used in most modern low-wattage
>fluorescent bulbs sold as replacements for incandescent bulbs tend to
>emit a fair amount of "noise"; actual amount will depend upon design
>and construction techniques.
>
>2) a fluoresecent bulb, much like a neon bulb, consists of an
>electrical discharge through a plasma -- that is, through hot excited
>gases -- and such plasmas, particularly when under AC electrical
>excitation (as in such a bulb as we are discussing), are very
>"noisy", that is, they tend to radiate an EMF signal at a wide range
>of freqencies ranging from low audio range through the RF range to
>perhaps high VHF range or low UHF range. Such plasmas and their
>non-classical radiations are often considered desirable when
>designing and constructing a device such as a Rife plasma Beam Ray
>device (where the excitation frequencies are carefully controlled and
>modulated).
>
>3) Further, such chaotic plasmas in fluorsecent bulbs as considered
>in item 2 above are widely considered by many to convert a small
>portion of this rather chaotic and incoherent noise energy into a
>so-called scalar or subtle energy form rather than emitting it all as
>classical or traditional Hertzian EMF wavesand heat and light. Many
>folks feel that humans and other life forms are uniquely sensitive to
>such chaotic noise energy emitted in the form of such non-Hertzian or
>non-classical fields, and that these chaotic non-Hertzian or
>non-classical fields can cause disruption of bioenergy systems
>(including the various levels of chi [aka qi] or prana) within the biofield.
>
>with care,
>--Vinny
>
>At 09:40 PM 8/28/2006, you wrote:
> >Thanks, this does fit the symptoms for some people I know, but one thing
> >that has puzzled
> >me before is why is there mercury vapour in fluorescent lights?
> >Ian
> >
> > _____
> >
> >From: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
>[mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf
>Of
> >bbin37
> >Sent: 29 August 2006 02:05
> >To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
> >Subject: [eSens] Re: lights
> >
> >
> >
> >With ES symptoms occurring with even the low energy mercury bulbs this
> >could point to reaction from resonance. Since a portion of
> >fluorescent bulb EMR is from excited mercury vapor perhaps people with
> >deposits of mercury in their bodies could have those deposits excited
> >into sympathetic vibration. If those deposits are on or in the nerves
> >you'd have those nerves being stimulated. I haven't seen any studies
> >on this but I think reacting to the "mercury" quality of the
> >fluorescent EMR may be a large factor for some.
> >
>

Vinny Pinto
[hidden email]

phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
http://www.vinnypinto.us

Ian Kemp

Re: fluorescent lights and emission frequencies

Hi Vinny,

I find your approach refreshing and helpful . As a scientist and engineer
myself, I get annoyed and suspicious when people try to sell devices by
using a lot of pseudo-scientific explanations and stating them as "fact"
when they are clearly no more than a plausible explanation of puzzling
observed phenomena. I have had to learn to admit "I don't know" about many
things about ES, and prefer it when others are also honest about this!
Fortunately this webgroup has lots of people who simply honestly report
their experiences and what helped them, rather than trying to shoehorn it
into an inadequate theory. One day, I hope, all the pieces of the jigsaw
will come together, as they have with many other areas of science which were
originally based on experimental observation.

Ian

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Vinny Pinto
Sent: 29 August 2006 03:48
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: fluorescent lights and emission frequencies
Importance: High

Hi Ian:

Thaks for your kind words, but I simply offered what I could; I hope
it helped! Well, there is even more information on these
non-classical or non-Hertzian fields -- sometimes called scalar
fields or subtle energy fields -- emitted by manmade equipment on an
informational page on my Coherent Space website (the page may be
found at www.coherentspace.info/coherent-space-1.html ), but a lot of
vendors that I know are not really comfortable with that page,
because it talks openly about the fact that the so-called quantum
quieting EMF remediative devices, as well as the conceptual
explanations of how they work, are really on or beyond the cutting
edge of modern scientific understanding. Some vendors have a major
allergy to such frank talk, and much prefer to insinuate (no matter
how incorrect that insinutation may be) that such devices are very
"scientific", and that their use is fully tested and backed by
"science". In reality, this field of EMF effects, particularly
through non-Hertzian emissions or fields, is a very fuzzy field of
inquiry, and I prefer to be honest about the fuzziness. I guess many
vendors and their potential customers prefer comfortable fantasy
about "science" to hard-core reality about fuzziness and ambiguity!
Of course, it is also true that my website is not really a marketing
website, and is more of an informational website, as I am not trying
to sell large volumes of such devices, nor to sell them to people who
might not need them.

For me, and I have designed such devices since 1974, the reality is
that while I happen to be a trained electronics engineer (aka EE),
and while I happen to have a grad degree in the sciences and a lot of
formal graduate level education beyond that level, well, when work on
designing such devices, it is far more done by intuition and inner
guidance than by "science". Period.

with care,
--Vinny

At 10:07 PM 8/28/2006, you wrote:
>Thanks Vinny for a really useful and thorough answer. This ought to be
>archived somehow in a knowledge bank of useful ES facts!
>Ian
>
> _____
>
>From: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf
Of

>Vinny Pinto
>Sent: 29 August 2006 03:00
>To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
>Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: lights
>Importance: High
>
>
>
>Hi Ian:
>
>Although some sectors of the flurosescent bulb manufacturing industry
>are trying to move away from using mercury in such bulbs due to
>regulatory pressure, it has been used in small amounts for many years
>in most fluorescent bulbs because mercury vapor -- i.e., in a gaseous
>form -- tends to fill the interior of the bulb at room temperature,
>and this metallic vapor readily ionizes in the presence of an applied
>electrical field, and thus facilitates easier lighting of the bulb
>from cold start and also facilitates lighting of the bulb at a lower
>voltage than would normally be needed (a relatively high voltage is
>briefly needed to fire up a fluorescent bulb at startup.)
>
>And, speaking as an ex-EE and as a scientist, yes, fluorescent bulbs
>tend to emit far more RF-range EMF than incandescent bulbs and for
>several reasons:
>
>1) the solid state circuitry used in most modern low-wattage
>fluorescent bulbs sold as replacements for incandescent bulbs tend to
>emit a fair amount of "noise"; actual amount will depend upon design
>and construction techniques.
>
>2) a fluoresecent bulb, much like a neon bulb, consists of an
>electrical discharge through a plasma -- that is, through hot excited
>gases -- and such plasmas, particularly when under AC electrical
>excitation (as in such a bulb as we are discussing), are very
>"noisy", that is, they tend to radiate an EMF signal at a wide range
>of freqencies ranging from low audio range through the RF range to
>perhaps high VHF range or low UHF range. Such plasmas and their
>non-classical radiations are often considered desirable when
>designing and constructing a device such as a Rife plasma Beam Ray
>device (where the excitation frequencies are carefully controlled and
>modulated).
>
>3) Further, such chaotic plasmas in fluorsecent bulbs as considered
>in item 2 above are widely considered by many to convert a small
>portion of this rather chaotic and incoherent noise energy into a
>so-called scalar or subtle energy form rather than emitting it all as
>classical or traditional Hertzian EMF wavesand heat and light. Many
>folks feel that humans and other life forms are uniquely sensitive to
>such chaotic noise energy emitted in the form of such non-Hertzian or
>non-classical fields, and that these chaotic non-Hertzian or
>non-classical fields can cause disruption of bioenergy systems
>(including the various levels of chi [aka qi] or prana) within the

biofield.

>
>with care,
>--Vinny
>
>At 09:40 PM 8/28/2006, you wrote:
> >Thanks, this does fit the symptoms for some people I know, but one thing
> >that has puzzled
> >me before is why is there mercury vapour in fluorescent lights?
> >Ian
> >
> > _____
> >
> >From: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
>[mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf
>Of
> >bbin37
> >Sent: 29 August 2006 02:05
> >To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
> >Subject: [eSens] Re: lights
> >
> >
> >
> >With ES symptoms occurring with even the low energy mercury bulbs this
> >could point to reaction from resonance. Since a portion of
> >fluorescent bulb EMR is from excited mercury vapor perhaps people with
> >deposits of mercury in their bodies could have those deposits excited
> >into sympathetic vibration. If those deposits are on or in the nerves
> >you'd have those nerves being stimulated. I haven't seen any studies
> >on this but I think reacting to the "mercury" quality of the
> >fluorescent EMR may be a large factor for some.
> >
>