Re: faraday cage not helping

>
>
> Puk replies Plasma TVs ie the real bad ones, can effect you from several
> hundred meteres away, certainly in my sad scenario it comes from accros the
>
> road into my wires (all wires) and will cross over the standard breaker
> when
> off.
>
>
> In a message dated 18/02/2011 01:10:57 GMT Standard Time,
> [hidden email] writes:
>
> . Get an AM radio <$20: You need to turn off any sources of digital
> harmonics such as dimmer switches and plasma TV's and computers. Dimmer
> switches
> and plasma TV's in another room could still affect you if the wiring is
> somehow going through your room.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>  
>

>
> Your typical military/indusrial  copper screen room
> will not shield Schumann frequencies.  The steel ones
> would, and possibly the thick aluminum ones used for  MEG
> and such.
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:36 PM, stephen_vandevijvere <
> stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Very interesting, I start to understand the problem with shielding! It's
> > not easy that's for sure...
> >
> > I wonder if you have a perfect anechoic room on the ground floor without
> > shielding on the floor (so no problem for earth/Schuman waves), wouldn't
> > that be perfect?
> > (other than costing a fortune)
> >
> > Charles wrote on anechoic rooms:
> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/302
> >
> > There are cages, used by the military and research laboratories (a glimpse
> > you may see in my english version of *het bitje*), which they call
> > *anechoic
> > rooms*. They are completely shielded.
> > A number of people have difficulties in there. They feel very uncomfortable
> > in it. I know people who had to leave after 10 minutes.
> > Astronauts nowadays do have a Schumann (7.83 Hz) frequency generator with
> > them, when they go out into space.
> > In an anechoic room, these Schumann frequencies are shielded off also.
> > The same goes for a totally shielded room.
> >
> > Therefore I wrote:
> > >"But never, all the walls, ceiling and floor should be shielded.
> > >Always leave something open."
> > There must always be an opening where the cosmic radiation can enter your
> > room.
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Robert Williams <robert_connolly@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I had a silver canopy over my bed too. No groundsheet.
> > >
> > > When I went inside to measure it it was very low. So I thought it was
> > working. then one day I took the meter in again to see if there was a
> > difference from day to day. I got out and left the meter inside. The meter
> > started to go very high- up and up and up - higher than what it was outside?
> > How could this be.
> > >
> > > When I was inside - I was absorbing the radiation. I was the microwave
> > absorber.
> > >
> > > The canopy was acting as a sate-light dish. I was the focal point inside.
> > The radiation was coming up from the floor below.
> > >
> > > So check that first. Are you on the first floor? It will come up from the
> > basement too.
> > >
> > > It's extremely hard to shield a room and not have you become the
> > microwave absorber. You shield walls to reflect radiation from entering your
> > house. You put in Low e glass to stop it from coming into your windows - The
> > radiation inside the room needs to find a way out - or get adsorbed into the
> > wall - or it will go into you.
> > >
> > > http://www.engineering.unl.edu/publications/blueprint/Fall08/05.shtml
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2011-02-17, at 4:04 PM, stephen_vandevijvere wrote:
> > >
> > > > Loni,
> > > > Andrew,
> > > >
> > > > Maybe you need an absorber on the inside of the room to make it work
> > really good?
> > > >
> > > > Posts on this:
> > > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/15061
> > > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/19588
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I too have not had success with a faraday silver mesh around the bed,
> >
> > > > > grounded or ungrounded. I would love for someone to tell me what to
> > > > > do to make it work. My sense is the radiation is hovering on the mesh
> >
> > > > > and that is interfering with my auric field/electrical body. Even the
> >
> > > > > copper paint on the walls in my room increases my ES.
> > > > > My wife has spent about $50K redoing our master suite including
> > > > > electrical wires and we are going to try the microwave absorbing
> > > > > material with the silver mesh woven into curtains over the windows to
> >
> > > > > see if that helps.
> > > > > I would pay someone $500 to come into my house and tell we what to do
> >
> > > > > if they guaranteed I would feel better.
> > > > > Andrew
> > > > > Raleigh, NC
> > > > >
> > > > > On Feb 16, 2011, at 11:35 PM, Bill Bruno wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Someone lent me a high-end bed canopy: cotton with silvered fibers
> > > > > > inside
> > > > > > each thread.
> > > > > > The microwave fields are about 10 times lower inside, but there is
> > > > > > still
> > > > > > some cellphone
> > > > > > signal at least near the corners.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not convinced I feel any better in it, possibly worse (though
> > > > > > it looks
> > > > > > nice aesthetically).
> > > > > > My wife got a headache in it but that could be a coincidence.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The reception at 135 MHz is quite quiet inside. And the magnetic
> > > > > > fields
> > > > > > were already
> > > > > > pretty low.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am a bit disappointed that the shielding isn't better... the
> > > > > > fabric is
> > > > > > rated much better
> > > > > > but the sewing is nothing like the industrial shielding tents.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One thought though is if you have tinnitus and go somewhere really
> > > > > > quiet,
> > > > > > the tinnitus seems louder. Maybe having a variety of exposures at
> > > > > > different
> > > > > > frequencies and modulations is more tolerable than having fewer,
> > > > > > and the
> > > > > > tent may shield most but not all?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Or maybe something else...
> > > > > > Bill
> > > > > >
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> > > > > Lecturer/Horn Instructor, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
> > > > > Music Director/Conductor Triangle Youth Ballet
> > > > > Former Principal Horn, North Carolina Symphony (1992-2007)
> > > > >
> > > > > 919.787.3022 (home)
> > > > > 919.962-2492 (office)
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> So I guess that wood canopy works really great as a microwave absorber?
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Smith and Jones" <aliassmithandjones@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I agree with your suggestion about turning off the electricity in the bedroom with a dipole switch.  That is what I have done as well.  My bedroom was the worst room in the house.  I slept on the couch in the living room for years.  But I continued to work on the bedroom.  I've done so many things to that room.  Things which most people would not consider doing.  I have lots of shielding in the form of velostat which blocks microwaves as well.  I spent whole rolls of the stuff just making a canopy protection around the bed in that room.  But still I could not sleep in the room.  Till I did something that I can't explain.  While looking at other homes I noticed the effect all wood houses had on me.  I live in a metal mobile home and needed some of the wood effect.  So I took some tongue and groove wood and build a wood canopy directly on the walls in the corner of the room where my bed is.  From floor to ceiling on both the headrest side and the wall on one side of the bed and also across the ceiling.  I put a couple inches of space between the wood and the shielding on the wall and crammed pink insulation into that space.  I have not slept one night on the couch in the living room since I did that.  I am sleeping like a baby again.  It can be done.
> > --- In [hidden email], "emraware" <emraware@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Andrew,
> > >
> > > In the beginning, I made the mistake of only considering wireless radiation and not electrical radiation.  Later, I realized that electrical radiation from wires in the walls/floors was also affecting me all along.
> > >
> > > IMPORTANT: The copper paint and silver mesh, while blocking microwaves, may increase electrical exposure due to their conductivity. (Listen to Camilla's interview with Vicki Warren on electromagnetichealth.org).  Thus, when attempting microwave shielding, try to turn off the circuit breakers most affecting your room's electrical wiring.  If necessary, route in a power extension cable from outside-- you can even make a shielded power cable.
> > > See: http://www.emfcenter.com/emffree.htm for ideas on what is being done in California
> > >
> > > My suggestions:
> > > 1. Get an AM radio <$20: You need to turn off any sources of digital harmonics such as dimmer switches and plasma TV's and computers. Dimmer switches and plasma TV's in another room could still affect you if the wiring is somehow going through your room.  
> > > 2. Get a cheap non-contact voltage detector <$20.  You'll find that a metal table near energized wires hidden in floors/walls can also become slightly energized if it's close enough.
> > > 3. Get a body voltage meter, or make your own. Find out which circuit breakers most impact your room, and see which can be permanently turned off.  Replace metal bed frame with wooden.  
> > >
> > > For some illustrations, check:
> > > http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/precautions.php
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I too have not had success with a faraday silver mesh around the bed,  
> > > > grounded or ungrounded. I would love for someone to tell me what to  
> > > > do to make it work. My sense is the radiation is hovering on the mesh  
> > > > and that is interfering with my auric field/electrical body. Even the  
> > > > copper paint on the walls in my room increases my ES.
> > > > My wife has spent about $50K redoing our master suite including  
> > > > electrical wires and we are going to try the microwave absorbing  
> > > > material with the silver mesh woven into curtains over the windows to  
> > > > see if that helps.
> > > > I would pay someone $500 to come into my house and tell we what to do  
> > > > if they guaranteed I would feel better.
> > > > Andrew
> > > > Raleigh, NC
> > >
> >
>

>
> I have no idea what the scientific explanation for it is.  I couldn't even hazard a guess.  I leave that sort of speculation up to others here in the group with the background to do so.  I've just gone by my feelings on trying different things.  I know that when I was looking at houses how it made me feel inside a wood house.  So I took the clue and made the wood faraday cage.  While the layers of velostat did make me feel better the shielding didn't do enough by itself to make the room livable.  Maybe the insulation and the wood provided insulation the way wires also need insulation around them.  Copper shielding for instance would need some sort of insulation or if you touched it you would still get the current.  We may be so sensitive that just being near the shielding without touching it still effects us and what is needed is insulation on top of the shielding.  Those would be my thoughts for what they are worth.
>
> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >
> > So I guess that wood canopy works really great as a microwave absorber?
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "Smith and Jones" <aliassmithandjones@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree with your suggestion about turning off the electricity in the bedroom with a dipole switch.  That is what I have done as well.  My bedroom was the worst room in the house.  I slept on the couch in the living room for years.  But I continued to work on the bedroom.  I've done so many things to that room.  Things which most people would not consider doing.  I have lots of shielding in the form of velostat which blocks microwaves as well.  I spent whole rolls of the stuff just making a canopy protection around the bed in that room.  But still I could not sleep in the room.  Till I did something that I can't explain.  While looking at other homes I noticed the effect all wood houses had on me.  I live in a metal mobile home and needed some of the wood effect.  So I took some tongue and groove wood and build a wood canopy directly on the walls in the corner of the room where my bed is.  From floor to ceiling on both the headrest side and the wall on one side of the bed and also across the ceiling.  I put a couple inches of space between the wood and the shielding on the wall and crammed pink insulation into that space.  I have not slept one night on the couch in the living room since I did that.  I am sleeping like a baby again.  It can be done.
> > > --- In [hidden email], "emraware" <emraware@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Andrew,
> > > >
> > > > In the beginning, I made the mistake of only considering wireless radiation and not electrical radiation.  Later, I realized that electrical radiation from wires in the walls/floors was also affecting me all along.
> > > >
> > > > IMPORTANT: The copper paint and silver mesh, while blocking microwaves, may increase electrical exposure due to their conductivity. (Listen to Camilla's interview with Vicki Warren on electromagnetichealth.org).  Thus, when attempting microwave shielding, try to turn off the circuit breakers most affecting your room's electrical wiring.  If necessary, route in a power extension cable from outside-- you can even make a shielded power cable.
> > > > See: http://www.emfcenter.com/emffree.htm for ideas on what is being done in California
> > > >
> > > > My suggestions:
> > > > 1. Get an AM radio <$20: You need to turn off any sources of digital harmonics such as dimmer switches and plasma TV's and computers. Dimmer switches and plasma TV's in another room could still affect you if the wiring is somehow going through your room.  
> > > > 2. Get a cheap non-contact voltage detector <$20.  You'll find that a metal table near energized wires hidden in floors/walls can also become slightly energized if it's close enough.
> > > > 3. Get a body voltage meter, or make your own. Find out which circuit breakers most impact your room, and see which can be permanently turned off.  Replace metal bed frame with wooden.  
> > > >
> > > > For some illustrations, check:
> > > > http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/precautions.php
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I too have not had success with a faraday silver mesh around the bed,  
> > > > > grounded or ungrounded. I would love for someone to tell me what to  
> > > > > do to make it work. My sense is the radiation is hovering on the mesh  
> > > > > and that is interfering with my auric field/electrical body. Even the  
> > > > > copper paint on the walls in my room increases my ES.
> > > > > My wife has spent about $50K redoing our master suite including  
> > > > > electrical wires and we are going to try the microwave absorbing  
> > > > > material with the silver mesh woven into curtains over the windows to  
> > > > > see if that helps.
> > > > > I would pay someone $500 to come into my house and tell we what to do  
> > > > > if they guaranteed I would feel better.
> > > > > Andrew
> > > > > Raleigh, NC
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Hi all
>
> As I've posted before, I turned my bedroom into a faraday cage quite a few months ago.  By lining the walls and the ceiling with aluminium foil (foil on both sides - the type usually used for insulation in roofs).  The windows have aluminium mosquito mesh.  All this is grounded to two earthing spikes outside.
>
> Initially I felt better in there and slept for the first time in six years and that without sleeping pills.  I can't begin to describe the level of insomnia I suffered from - and that was despite using every sleeping pill on the market (as well as using meds like Seroquel for their sedating side-effects).  None of these meds had a lasting effect on  my insomnia, they just made me extremely tired during the day (more so than I already was with CFS).  
>
> Then I put a 'floor' into the cage as well - and got no more cell phone reception in there at all. But I started feeling really badly, couldn't sleep any more and I could actually feel the radiation in the room, reflecting off the walls.  And when I walked bare-foot on the aluminium floor, I could feel the radiation coming up through my feet.
>
> So I took the floor out again and now the room feels great again and I can sleep. I feel best when I get up in the morning, and then within a short time of being outside of the room,, I start feeling tired again and my skins starts burning (which it doesn't do in the room).  
>
> So for me the faraday cage has definitely made a huge difference and if I could, I would shield the whole house that way. I think it needs to be grounded very well, and where you ground it to, shouldn't have radiation that it brings back into the room.
>
> (I tried moving to a farm a few months ago, but went right back to being a complete insomniac.  Now back in the faraday cage I can sleep again).
>
> I don't switch the power off to the room at night, because there are other rooms on the same circuit and I would be extremely unpopular around here if I did that!  But my bed is in the middle of the room, and thus well away from the walls. Also I put the foil over all the power sockets, so whatever electrical fields are in the walls, should be travelling via the foil to the earthing spikes.  
>
> To answer somebody's question about the different light sources:
>
>  - Fluorescent lights and energy savers are my biggest problem (more so than any other radiation). If I spend as little as a minute near one of them, my neck aches for the rest of the day, I get extremely tired and depressed, and I start feeling hypoglycemic.  
>   - Incandescents are OK, as long as they don't shine on me from to nearby or for too long.
>
> Anyway, as I posted a week or two ago re porphyria. I've since read that Nexus article of Dr Steven Rochlitz and it's extremely interesting. He links all these environmental illnesses (CFS, MS, FMS and ES) to undiagnosed porphyria, which he says is must more common than everyone has been led to believe. And he also says that that leads to secondary mastocytosis, which he thinks is the cause of ES.  (Prof Olle Johansoon (which has been mention on esens before) actually found increased mast cells when he did skin biopsies on ES people).
>
> So whilst shielding against and avoiding EMF is good and I think necessary even if one isn't so sensitive to it as it's not good for anybody's health, I also think that we need to try and get to why we're so much more sensitive than other people and address that as well.  I spend most of my time in that faraday cage and I'm a wreck every time I go to a mall, even if it's just for a short time.  So avoidance (and feeling better) has  me living like a hermit.
>
> As per my first porphyria post:  I've read about people losing their sensitivity to EMF and some that were actually blistering from fluorescent lights, lost that reaction as well when they were trated for infections with long-term antibiotics, and taking measures against porphyria (with or without antibiotic treatment).  
>
> I've for the last week been taking Tagamet (cimetidine) which apparently lowers porphyrin levels, and as of yesteray, I've added topical (on the skin) sodium cromoglycinate (which is a mast cell stabilizer).  So far it seems promising - I have not had the burning skin yesterday or today when not in the cage (although fluorescent lights in a pharmacy yesterday still made me feel terrible - got the sodium cromolyn there, so that was pre trying that).
>
> I've ordered Dr Steven Rochlitz's book, and should be getting it this week (to SA) and then I'll report back on that as well.  He apparently goes into the causes of porphyria, why it's underdiagnosed, how to get it diagnosed, how having it leads to all these environmental illnesses, and how to treat it with diet, etc.
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Smith and Jones" <aliassmithandjones@> wrote:
> >
> > I have no idea what the scientific explanation for it is.  I couldn't even hazard a guess.  I leave that sort of speculation up to others here in the group with the background to do so.  I've just gone by my feelings on trying different things.  I know that when I was looking at houses how it made me feel inside a wood house.  So I took the clue and made the wood faraday cage.  While the layers of velostat did make me feel better the shielding didn't do enough by itself to make the room livable.  Maybe the insulation and the wood provided insulation the way wires also need insulation around them.  Copper shielding for instance would need some sort of insulation or if you touched it you would still get the current.  We may be so sensitive that just being near the shielding without touching it still effects us and what is needed is insulation on top of the shielding.  Those would be my thoughts for what they are worth.
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So I guess that wood canopy works really great as a microwave absorber?
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], "Smith and Jones" <aliassmithandjones@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree with your suggestion about turning off the electricity in the bedroom with a dipole switch.  That is what I have done as well.  My bedroom was the worst room in the house.  I slept on the couch in the living room for years.  But I continued to work on the bedroom.  I've done so many things to that room.  Things which most people would not consider doing.  I have lots of shielding in the form of velostat which blocks microwaves as well.  I spent whole rolls of the stuff just making a canopy protection around the bed in that room.  But still I could not sleep in the room.  Till I did something that I can't explain.  While looking at other homes I noticed the effect all wood houses had on me.  I live in a metal mobile home and needed some of the wood effect.  So I took some tongue and groove wood and build a wood canopy directly on the walls in the corner of the room where my bed is.  From floor to ceiling on both the headrest side and the wall on one side of the bed and also across the ceiling.  I put a couple inches of space between the wood and the shielding on the wall and crammed pink insulation into that space.  I have not slept one night on the couch in the living room since I did that.  I am sleeping like a baby again.  It can be done.
> > > > --- In [hidden email], "emraware" <emraware@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Andrew,
> > > > >
> > > > > In the beginning, I made the mistake of only considering wireless radiation and not electrical radiation.  Later, I realized that electrical radiation from wires in the walls/floors was also affecting me all along.
> > > > >
> > > > > IMPORTANT: The copper paint and silver mesh, while blocking microwaves, may increase electrical exposure due to their conductivity. (Listen to Camilla's interview with Vicki Warren on electromagnetichealth.org).  Thus, when attempting microwave shielding, try to turn off the circuit breakers most affecting your room's electrical wiring.  If necessary, route in a power extension cable from outside-- you can even make a shielded power cable.
> > > > > See: http://www.emfcenter.com/emffree.htm for ideas on what is being done in California
> > > > >
> > > > > My suggestions:
> > > > > 1. Get an AM radio <$20: You need to turn off any sources of digital harmonics such as dimmer switches and plasma TV's and computers. Dimmer switches and plasma TV's in another room could still affect you if the wiring is somehow going through your room.  
> > > > > 2. Get a cheap non-contact voltage detector <$20.  You'll find that a metal table near energized wires hidden in floors/walls can also become slightly energized if it's close enough.
> > > > > 3. Get a body voltage meter, or make your own. Find out which circuit breakers most impact your room, and see which can be permanently turned off.  Replace metal bed frame with wooden.  
> > > > >
> > > > > For some illustrations, check:
> > > > > http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/precautions.php
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I too have not had success with a faraday silver mesh around the bed,  
> > > > > > grounded or ungrounded. I would love for someone to tell me what to  
> > > > > > do to make it work. My sense is the radiation is hovering on the mesh  
> > > > > > and that is interfering with my auric field/electrical body. Even the  
> > > > > > copper paint on the walls in my room increases my ES.
> > > > > > My wife has spent about $50K redoing our master suite including  
> > > > > > electrical wires and we are going to try the microwave absorbing  
> > > > > > material with the silver mesh woven into curtains over the windows to  
> > > > > > see if that helps.
> > > > > > I would pay someone $500 to come into my house and tell we what to do  
> > > > > > if they guaranteed I would feel better.
> > > > > > Andrew
> > > > > > Raleigh, NC
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Great information.  Where do you apply the socium cromoglycinate?  Is there a part of your body that gets burning sensations and you apply it to that?  Or do you just apply it anywhere?
>
> --- In [hidden email], "kikkie2004" <kirsty.weight@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > As I've posted before, I turned my bedroom into a faraday cage quite a few months ago.  By lining the walls and the ceiling with aluminium foil (foil on both sides - the type usually used for insulation in roofs).  The windows have aluminium mosquito mesh.  All this is grounded to two earthing spikes outside.
> >
> > Initially I felt better in there and slept for the first time in six years and that without sleeping pills.  I can't begin to describe the level of insomnia I suffered from - and that was despite using every sleeping pill on the market (as well as using meds like Seroquel for their sedating side-effects).  None of these meds had a lasting effect on  my insomnia, they just made me extremely tired during the day (more so than I already was with CFS).  
> >
> > Then I put a 'floor' into the cage as well - and got no more cell phone reception in there at all. But I started feeling really badly, couldn't sleep any more and I could actually feel the radiation in the room, reflecting off the walls.  And when I walked bare-foot on the aluminium floor, I could feel the radiation coming up through my feet.
> >
> > So I took the floor out again and now the room feels great again and I can sleep. I feel best when I get up in the morning, and then within a short time of being outside of the room,, I start feeling tired again and my skins starts burning (which it doesn't do in the room).  
> >
> > So for me the faraday cage has definitely made a huge difference and if I could, I would shield the whole house that way. I think it needs to be grounded very well, and where you ground it to, shouldn't have radiation that it brings back into the room.
> >
> > (I tried moving to a farm a few months ago, but went right back to being a complete insomniac.  Now back in the faraday cage I can sleep again).
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> > I don't switch the power off to the room at night, because there are other rooms on the same circuit and I would be extremely unpopular around here if I did that!  But my bed is in the middle of the room, and thus well away from the walls. Also I put the foil over all the power sockets, so whatever electrical fields are in the walls, should be travelling via the foil to the earthing spikes.  
> >
> > To answer somebody's question about the different light sources:
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> >  - Fluorescent lights and energy savers are my biggest problem (more so than any other radiation). If I spend as little as a minute near one of them, my neck aches for the rest of the day, I get extremely tired and depressed, and I start feeling hypoglycemic.  
> >   - Incandescents are OK, as long as they don't shine on me from to nearby or for too long.
> >
> > Anyway, as I posted a week or two ago re porphyria. I've since read that Nexus article of Dr Steven Rochlitz and it's extremely interesting. He links all these environmental illnesses (CFS, MS, FMS and ES) to undiagnosed porphyria, which he says is must more common than everyone has been led to believe. And he also says that that leads to secondary mastocytosis, which he thinks is the cause of ES.  (Prof Olle Johansoon (which has been mention on esens before) actually found increased mast cells when he did skin biopsies on ES people).
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> > So whilst shielding against and avoiding EMF is good and I think necessary even if one isn't so sensitive to it as it's not good for anybody's health, I also think that we need to try and get to why we're so much more sensitive than other people and address that as well.  I spend most of my time in that faraday cage and I'm a wreck every time I go to a mall, even if it's just for a short time.  So avoidance (and feeling better) has  me living like a hermit.
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> > As per my first porphyria post:  I've read about people losing their sensitivity to EMF and some that were actually blistering from fluorescent lights, lost that reaction as well when they were trated for infections with long-term antibiotics, and taking measures against porphyria (with or without antibiotic treatment).  
> >
> > I've for the last week been taking Tagamet (cimetidine) which apparently lowers porphyrin levels, and as of yesteray, I've added topical (on the skin) sodium cromoglycinate (which is a mast cell stabilizer).  So far it seems promising - I have not had the burning skin yesterday or today when not in the cage (although fluorescent lights in a pharmacy yesterday still made me feel terrible - got the sodium cromolyn there, so that was pre trying that).
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> > I've ordered Dr Steven Rochlitz's book, and should be getting it this week (to SA) and then I'll report back on that as well.  He apparently goes into the causes of porphyria, why it's underdiagnosed, how to get it diagnosed, how having it leads to all these environmental illnesses, and how to treat it with diet, etc.
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> > --- In [hidden email], "Smith and Jones" <aliassmithandjones@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have no idea what the scientific explanation for it is.  I couldn't even hazard a guess.  I leave that sort of speculation up to others here in the group with the background to do so.  I've just gone by my feelings on trying different things.  I know that when I was looking at houses how it made me feel inside a wood house.  So I took the clue and made the wood faraday cage.  While the layers of velostat did make me feel better the shielding didn't do enough by itself to make the room livable.  Maybe the insulation and the wood provided insulation the way wires also need insulation around them.  Copper shielding for instance would need some sort of insulation or if you touched it you would still get the current.  We may be so sensitive that just being near the shielding without touching it still effects us and what is needed is insulation on top of the shielding.  Those would be my thoughts for what they are worth.
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
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> > > > So I guess that wood canopy works really great as a microwave absorber?
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email], "Smith and Jones" <aliassmithandjones@> wrote:
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> > > > >
> > > > > I agree with your suggestion about turning off the electricity in the bedroom with a dipole switch.  That is what I have done as well.  My bedroom was the worst room in the house.  I slept on the couch in the living room for years.  But I continued to work on the bedroom.  I've done so many things to that room.  Things which most people would not consider doing.  I have lots of shielding in the form of velostat which blocks microwaves as well.  I spent whole rolls of the stuff just making a canopy protection around the bed in that room.  But still I could not sleep in the room.  Till I did something that I can't explain.  While looking at other homes I noticed the effect all wood houses had on me.  I live in a metal mobile home and needed some of the wood effect.  So I took some tongue and groove wood and build a wood canopy directly on the walls in the corner of the room where my bed is.  From floor to ceiling on both the headrest side and the wall on one side of the bed and also across the ceiling.  I put a couple inches of space between the wood and the shielding on the wall and crammed pink insulation into that space.  I have not slept one night on the couch in the living room since I did that.  I am sleeping like a baby again.  It can be done.
> > > > > --- In [hidden email], "emraware" <emraware@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Andrew,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the beginning, I made the mistake of only considering wireless radiation and not electrical radiation.  Later, I realized that electrical radiation from wires in the walls/floors was also affecting me all along.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > IMPORTANT: The copper paint and silver mesh, while blocking microwaves, may increase electrical exposure due to their conductivity. (Listen to Camilla's interview with Vicki Warren on electromagnetichealth.org).  Thus, when attempting microwave shielding, try to turn off the circuit breakers most affecting your room's electrical wiring.  If necessary, route in a power extension cable from outside-- you can even make a shielded power cable.
> > > > > > See: http://www.emfcenter.com/emffree.htm for ideas on what is being done in California
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My suggestions:
> > > > > > 1. Get an AM radio <$20: You need to turn off any sources of digital harmonics such as dimmer switches and plasma TV's and computers. Dimmer switches and plasma TV's in another room could still affect you if the wiring is somehow going through your room.  
> > > > > > 2. Get a cheap non-contact voltage detector <$20.  You'll find that a metal table near energized wires hidden in floors/walls can also become slightly energized if it's close enough.
> > > > > > 3. Get a body voltage meter, or make your own. Find out which circuit breakers most impact your room, and see which can be permanently turned off.  Replace metal bed frame with wooden.  
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For some illustrations, check:
> > > > > > http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/precautions.php
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I too have not had success with a faraday silver mesh around the bed,  
> > > > > > > grounded or ungrounded. I would love for someone to tell me what to  
> > > > > > > do to make it work. My sense is the radiation is hovering on the mesh  
> > > > > > > and that is interfering with my auric field/electrical body. Even the  
> > > > > > > copper paint on the walls in my room increases my ES.
> > > > > > > My wife has spent about $50K redoing our master suite including  
> > > > > > > electrical wires and we are going to try the microwave absorbing  
> > > > > > > material with the silver mesh woven into curtains over the windows to  
> > > > > > > see if that helps.
> > > > > > > I would pay someone $500 to come into my house and tell we what to do  
> > > > > > > if they guaranteed I would feel better.
> > > > > > > Andrew
> > > > > > > Raleigh, NC
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> > Puk replies Plasma TVs ie the real bad ones, can effect you from several
> > hundred meteres away, certainly in my sad scenario it comes from accros
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