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--- On Sat, 25/12/10, pamela clemonts <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: cell phone towers/ Marjij and Stewart
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 25 December, 2010, 2:55







 



 


   
     
     
      My last reply was pre-maturely sent, sorry about that.  Okay, Marjij and Stewart.  I am located in Central NJ.  There are both plenty of people and plenty of wireless. I found that small you wrote very interesting, Stewart.  I have yet to purchase any meters.  Lessemf.com suggested that I need a meter for everyting in order to properly assess what is causing my symptoms.  $850, yeah okay- while I'm hard pressed to find a place to live that I can afford which gets more challenging daily. What do you suggest for the novice , Stewart?

 

For Marjij, where are you located--in WA, as well or are you seeking to relocate there? Have a great holiday season all. 

 

So Stewart were you the one who was attacked by the cell phones being turned off at a conference or was that Evie?



--- On Wed, 12/22/10, S Andreason <[hidden email]> wrote:



From: S Andreason <[hidden email]>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: cell phone towers

To: [hidden email]

Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 2:44 AM



 



Marjij wrote:

>>> Are you in the US?

>>>

>> Yes, NE WA state.

>>

>>

>>

> Excuse me, but I can't tell from this exchange if it was Pamela or Stewart who said they lived in NE WA state.

Sorry if it was not clear, I wrote the email, so it was me.



Oh that is clear as mud. I am Stewart typing... and I have lots of

pictures of NE WA on my webpage, so...



> I am thinking of moving to Chewelah, WA can either of you give me some information about that area?

I've been in that area several times, and have studied the locations of

the hazards.

This summer I drove to Valley for hay, and only two months ago, I drove

Hwy 395 south to Spokane, with the Acoustimeter on the dashboard, and

the audio plugged into the truck radio/CD-in. Makes a nifty hands free

setup.



Starting in Colville, they just put up a new tower across from the

Walmart, so downtown is now very very bad. There are 3 towers on the

hill 1 mile north on Colville Mtn, and another tower 2 Mi SE on

Huckleberry Range Paradis Peak.

Also the local AM radio tower is 1 Mi. south in the valley floor.

I wrote down 0.54 V/m for Colville on the Acoustimeter, and on the

Cornet, 0.258 mW/m2 outside the Walmart, and 4.807 mW/m2 inside Walmart,

nearest the check out computers using WiFi, and the shelfing workers

with their WiFi scanners. Avoid them like a plague! That is very much in

the red zone.

(I have a conversion table on my webpage.)



Heading south 6 miles is Arden, and from here south it is actually

fairly quiet for the next 8 miles to Addy, <0.02 V/m. Then I started

picking up a cel-tower again.

I located it when passing Blue Creek intersection 3 Mi south of Addy,

there is a new tower just west 3/4 mile on the hill just opposite of,

(south of) Rieckers Mtn. It was not there last year. I didn't write down

any numbers, as I was on the highway, and didn't aim the meter at the tower.



Continuing southeast, 5 Mi to Chewelah, the tower west of Chewelah

becomes visible, and audible as the whine grows steadily. It is on the

first hill west of the valley, but I can't remember which hill that was.

Maybe Pine Hill. It looks like I forgot to update my map after that last

trip... I think it is less than 2 years old.

Downtown Chewelah, I wrote down 0.34 V/m. Only in the yellow zone.

Fairly small bubble in radius. Worry more about the above tower than

downtown stuff.

South 1 mile, I got a large spike near the casino on the east side of

Hwy395. I looked around hard, but couldn't see any towers to explain it.

I didn't write down any numbers, but it was memorable.

The next several miles past Jumpoff Joe Mtn, it is fairly quiet again,

<0.02 V/m, as the surrounding hills provide good shading. I also found

it fairly quiet south of Valley to Springdale where I got hay this year.



Approaching Loon Lake, there is a tower on top of Deer Lake Mtn, east

one mile of Hwy. From here south, there is no "quiet" on the meter, it

is always buzzing and whining, with the intensity going up and down

between towers etc.

Approaching Clayton, I started picking up the radar from Spokane

Airport, I noted 0.69 V/m at Clayton, every 11 seconds.

From there south, the number of towers increase as you (or I) approach

Spokane.

There are 2 towers very close to, and in Deer Park. Right next to the

Hwy. 0.87 V/m getting deep into the red zone again at the peak nearest

those towers.



Driving through Spokane is one tower after another, 2 V/m.

One other measurement to share for Spokane, passing the Sears building

on Division St, opposite a tall banking building, it has many antennas

on top, I measured 4.07 V/m. That is seriously bad, and it really hurt.



Back north to Chewelah, back in summer, when dad drove west with me on

the Cedona-Addy Rd, I found the radio tower, and other towers on top of

Stensgar Mtn blanketed that valley just to the north, I remember it

showing up on my Zap Checker, but less so on the others. Acted more like

an analog wave than a digital noisemaker. Dad thought those valleys

might provide good protection from Spokane, with a warmer growing

climate than here, but it didn't pan out. Second place he thought might

work is a bit north in Swiss Valley. I was not feeling well enough to

get excited about more exploring.



I was pleasantly surprised to find those 2 quieter areas. The thing that

bothers me about moving to Arden-Addy or Valley-Springdale, is it is

more populated than here. But with several neighbors here broadcasting

WiFi, the numerical statistic of 2 people per sq. mile just isn't what

it used to be.



Looks like I wrote a short book. Hope you find it educational, and helpful.

Stewart



> Cell danger? Thanks,

>

> Marji

>

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> Yahoo! Groups Links

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Hi,

pamela clemonts wrote:
> I need a meter for everyting in order to properly assess what is causing my symptoms.  $850, yeah okay- while I'm hard pressed to find a place to live that I can afford which gets more challenging daily. What do you suggest for the novice , Stewart?
>  

Not an easy question. That probably explains the length of my ehs page,
attempting to point out each meter's strengths and weaknesses.
Right now, Cornet has the lowest price, and best visual display, but is
not sensitive enough outside of the urban environment.
The audio analysis of the Acoustimeter is the most useful way to sweep
an area or evaluate computers, tv, phones, wifi, etc.
Determine where and what you want to measure, then choose or wait for
newer models.


> So Stewart were you the one who was attacked by the cell phones being turned off at a conference or was that Evie?
>  
For me, it was not at a conference. I stay around home 99% of the time.

Stewart
http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html

Hello Stewart,

as I wrote to you before, in your comparison on your website, you are *comparing apples with onions*.
In other words, it is complete inapropriate.

You may not connect an antenna (which should be hold vertical and not horizontal) with a 1 m cable to a meter, which cannot be adjusted for that.
The small WiFi antenna is useless.

RMS measurements cannot be compared to *Peak values* of broadbandmeters.

Why don't you use the latest LCS software? Which is free.
There you can choose the correct frequency bands. Also for uplink of your mobile phone.

PS. A meter for everything does not exist yet.
One needs at least two different ones.

With a Spectran NF and some extra's, one can measure *dirty power* as well as *dirty air*.

And it is my belief, that this *dirty power* as well as *dirty air* are more dangerous to our health than the mobile phone masts!
(Mobile phone masts are also emitting *dirty air*, which when reaching the walls of your home are transfered into your mains, and become *dirty power* there.)

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: S Andreason
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 12:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: cell phone towers/ Marjij and Stewart


  Hi,

  pamela clemonts wrote:
  > I need a meter for everyting in order to properly assess what is causing my symptoms.  $850, yeah okay- while I'm hard pressed to find a place to live that I can afford which gets more challenging daily. What do you suggest for the novice , Stewart?
  >  

  Not an easy question. That probably explains the length of my ehs page,
  attempting to point out each meter's strengths and weaknesses.
  Right now, Cornet has the lowest price, and best visual display, but is
  not sensitive enough outside of the urban environment.
  The audio analysis of the Acoustimeter is the most useful way to sweep
  an area or evaluate computers, tv, phones, wifi, etc.
  Determine where and what you want to measure, then choose or wait for
  newer models.


  > So Stewart were you the one who was attacked by the cell phones being turned off at a conference or was that Evie?
  >  
  For me, it was not at a conference. I stay around home 99% of the time.

  Stewart
  http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html



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Hello Stewart,

btw, ALL digital displays show *dirty air*.
ALL.

They can be measured with special Detectors and spectrumanalysers with special antennas.

Curiously, when measuring, the probe or antenna must be held against the elektrosmog source.
At a distance of 1" there is trouble in measuring, but an electrosensitive person may be harassed by this source at a distance of 3 meters away!!

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton






  ----- Original Message -----
  From: S Andreason
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 12:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: cell phone towers/ Marjij and Stewart


  Hi,

  pamela clemonts wrote:
  > I need a meter for everyting in order to properly assess what is causing my symptoms.  $850, yeah okay- while I'm hard pressed to find a place to live that I can afford which gets more challenging daily. What do you suggest for the novice , Stewart?
  >  

  Not an easy question. That probably explains the length of my ehs page,
  attempting to point out each meter's strengths and weaknesses.
  Right now, Cornet has the lowest price, and best visual display, but is
  not sensitive enough outside of the urban environment.
  The audio analysis of the Acoustimeter is the most useful way to sweep
  an area or evaluate computers, tv, phones, wifi, etc.
  Determine where and what you want to measure, then choose or wait for
  newer models.


  > So Stewart were you the one who was attacked by the cell phones being turned off at a conference or was that Evie?
  >  
  For me, it was not at a conference. I stay around home 99% of the time.

  Stewart
  http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html



  ------------------------------------

  Yahoo! Groups Links





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Greetings Charles,

> as I wrote to you before, in your comparison on your website, you are *comparing apples with onions*.
>  
Comparing between different meters? or the way I am taking measurements?
Please clarify.

> In other words, it is complete inapropriate.
>  
I am an apprentice with no master on hand to teach me.

> You may not connect an antenna (which should be hold vertical and not horizontal)
I agree the first 3 pictures of the hyperlog antenna are not held
vertical. Does that make the higher reading from pointing at the rocks
invalid? I would like to know why I get a higher reading pointing down.
The next time I am up there I'll do the test again with vertical polarity.
The picture from Jun12 I found the highest reading 30 degrees from
vertical. Can anybody explain that?

> with a 1 m cable to a meter, which cannot be adjusted for that.
>  
It is true I don't have the calibration specs to make the numbers
accurate for non-supported hardware.
So I added a disclaimer that using that antenna does make the Cornet
more like a detector, and not calibrated power readings. Is that not
good enough? or should I erase the whole paragraph and 3 pictures?
This was my experience in taking measurements. Sometimes I did it wrong.
I hope I added enough explanation to my little book, to help others
learn from it, and not repeat mistakes.

> The small WiFi antenna is useless.
>  
Which one, the one at the bottom? I agree. That was the point.

Or the whip antenna that comes with the Cornet? I would say it is not
very sensitive, thus the attempt to use the hyperlog antenna, or at
least show using the better antenna makes better results.
Maybe I should get the Cornet Log-Periodic antenna for the ED85EX (to
compare the two special antennas.)

> RMS measurements cannot be compared to *Peak values* of broadbandmeters.
>  
Yes, measuring peak is not the same as average. The manual for sweeping
an area says to only use peak values to determine exposure. I don't have
the term RMS anywhere on my page.
The word "average" only appears when describing the characteristics of a
Wifi beacon, as it is not the same as a data transmission.
Ah, I do have RMS graphs for the Spectran, but that is to be complete in
comparing the various settings available. Confusing is what that
becomes... which setting is right for each frequency band and type of
transmission?


> Why don't you use the latest LCS software?
Yes, let's talk about the Spectran.
I am using LCS 1.9.9.9 to get this years graphs from the Spectran.
Version 2.0 requires a newer version of windows, which will not run on
this IBM Thinkpad.
I have purchased enough new hardware thank you.

I don't need newer software to capture the output from the Spectran
across the USB cable.


> There you can choose the correct frequency bands.
I don't have the newest _scanprofile_ file from LCS version 2, true.

>  Also for uplink of your mobile phone.
>  
That is Funny, Aaronia asked _ME_ for the frequency band for the USA G3
phones when I told them their profile list did not include it.

The phone I measured, it is not My phone!, I tried the entire frequency
range from 800 - 1000 MHz and 1800 - 2000 MHz to be sure I wasn't
missing it, but in the picture you reference, it is scanning 824 - 849
MHz which is what is supposed to be used in rural USA, and where I got a
blip in the video my camera recorded.

I can't figure out how to prove to myself or Aaronia the meter does or
doesn't work right, and they can't tell me what test to perform that
proves it is working correctly. So when I was last in Spokane, I saved
the Spectran recordings from every profile in the list, running LCS, and
sweeping in a circle, both horizontal and vertical polarity.
Only the 1900Mhz GSM band produced results when I aimed vertically at
nearby towers, which is correct for urban phones, but not the right
frequency for dual-band rural phones. The signal over background was 25
dBm while sweeping toward and away from towers only 860m (1/2 mile) away.
http://seahorseCorral.org/images/meter/20101118_Spectran4-HL7060-LCS_Spokane-1940MHz-860m-sweep_4340-800.jpg
Also down inside the parking garage, I recorded with LCS this one:
http://seahorseCorral.org/images/meter/Sweep-1M-800.0M-950.0M-20101001.0914-100msN-AmpOff_Spokane-602.png
So it looks like it works, but comparing version 4 with version 2
recordings, makes it look like something is wrong. I certainly can't
sweep an area anymore by driving through it, like I used to.
But this doesn't address my unwillingness to use it due to it's strong
emissions. I paid heavily healthwise getting those recordings, having
put off that kind of test for 4 months, and am at a standstill or
impass, regarding that meter.

> PS. A meter for everything does not exist yet.
>  
Very true.
That is definitely why I hesitate to recommend any one meter as The
solution.

> One needs at least two different ones.
>  
HF, and LF yes., Plus magnetic, plus electric fields, and there still
exists nothing to measure the effects from RFID chips, Q-link etc
pendants... There is definitely a gap in understanding how and what are
affecting (us).

> With a Spectran NF and some extra's, one can measure *dirty power* as well as *dirty air*.
>  
I am not buying another Spectran.
The only meter I have to measure dirty power, is the GS meter.  I don't
doubt there are other low frequencies to be seen.

> And it is my belief, that this *dirty power* as well as *dirty air* are more dangerous to our health than the mobile phone masts!
>  
Because they are closer to home, I agree.

> (Mobile phone masts are also emitting *dirty air*, which when reaching the walls of your home are transfered into your mains, and become *dirty power* there.)
>  
Yes, every ungrounded wire becomes an antenna.

So what apples and onions are on  my page that need to be erased, or
clarified, or have the test repeated correctly?

Stewart

charles wrote:
> btw, ALL digital displays show *dirty air*.
> ALL.
>  
I don't doubt that, but the Cornet does not bother me, so that leads me
to believe some digital displays can be made acceptable quiet.

> They can be measured with special Detectors and spectrumanalysers with special antennas.
>
> Curiously, when measuring, the probe or antenna must be held against the elektrosmog source.
>  
If the probe or antenna touch the circuitry, then it is no longer
measuring dirty air, but the circuit itself.

> At a distance of 1" there is trouble in measuring, but an electrosensitive person may be harassed by this source at a distance of 3 meters away!!
>  

I see what you are saying. Just like RFID chips have an effect at
distance, but can't be measured without special detectors.

This seems a good time to tell this:

On Tuesday, Sep.21, I told my parents at the breakfast table about the
replacement bank card I got Saturday. The new card had an RFID chip in
it, also called Blink or PayPass. When I hold these wireless chips, I
get a headache, etc. So I tried to shield it over the weekend and put it
in the bathroom (away from bedroom). On Monday I called Chase to request
a replacement card without Blink.
Mom's light bulb turned on, she asked about the new credit cards they
received in June.

Eeeek! They have them too! And in dad's wallet he has been in close
proximity for the same length of time that he had been getting worse.

I first tried smashing the chip with a ball-peen hammer. I sat with mom
in the garage/shop on the opposite side of the room, and waited 20
minutes for the pain and other sensations to subside. Went over to hold
the card again. This time only a lesser sensation. Still emitting... So
next I drilled out the chip. I can now see the wires to the antenna in
the rest of the plastic. Now the feeling is mostly gone. I did the same
to the other 2 cards. The magnetic stripe is untouched and still works
at the gas station.

That night, we all slept better.
In fact mom said later the next week she has Really been sleeping better
all week since the RFID chips were destroyed. Very relaxed now. The
tinitus is still louder, but the insomnia is gone.
It seems important to tell that mom's card was in dad's den drawer until
one month prior, when dad insisted mom put it in her purse. That is when
mom really started having trouble sleeping. Didn't realize it until I
brought it up. Couldn't figure out what changed, that we couldn't sleep.
Mom was really tossing and turning, very distressed.

Dad had been unable to sleep lately, short of breath, and falling
asleep, even while we were talking to him.
His heart rate has been 35-40, but the blood oxygen sensor says 98%.
By the time we were in Spokane that October morning, dad was laughing
and joking in the hospital.
They scheduled tests later in the next week, and I took him home.

Those chips are nasty!
So check your cards for Blink))), and if you are not sleeping well,
definitely get them out of your pocket and away from your bed!

I asked Chase to replace that card... but they sent exactly the same
thing!  I called them again and found the right wording to get the right
card. Tell them you want to OPT out of the Blink program (and get a new
card issued.)

Stewart

Hello Stewart,

you should not jump to conclusions when you read something that is not there.

I did not write that I touched the circuitry, but close to the glass of the display.
All displays emit *dirty air*, only you cannot measure that.

The Spectran NF has a special prog. for RFID 13,56 MHz.
But also 125 kHz is used, as well as 860-950 MHz and 2.450 MHz.

RFID chips do not emit anything.
They are only sending when triggered.
Only then they are responding.

I have tried measuring those RFID chips in goods at the gates of supermarkets.
But you only get a signal when a RFID chip passes a detection gate without being destroyed at the cash counter.

Of course when you are in places where a number of RFID readers are, your card may respond.

And of course in industry complexes, where they want to know where the persons are, and in which allowed rooms, the name tags will respond in every room.

But I can hardly imagine, that bank cards are emitting when not scanned.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
  From: S Andreason
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:01 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Now: RFID and insomnia, Was: cell phone towers/ Marjij and Stewart


  charles wrote:
  > btw, ALL digital displays show *dirty air*.
  > ALL.
  >  
  I don't doubt that, but the Cornet does not bother me, so that leads me
  to believe some digital displays can be made acceptable quiet.

  > They can be measured with special Detectors and spectrumanalysers with special antennas.
  >
  > Curiously, when measuring, the probe or antenna must be held against the elektrosmog source.
  >  
  If the probe or antenna touch the circuitry, then it is no longer
  measuring dirty air, but the circuit itself.

  > At a distance of 1" there is trouble in measuring, but an electrosensitive person may be harassed by this source at a distance of 3 meters away!!
  >  

  I see what you are saying. Just like RFID chips have an effect at
  distance, but can't be measured without special detectors.

  This seems a good time to tell this:

  On Tuesday, Sep.21, I told my parents at the breakfast table about the
  replacement bank card I got Saturday. The new card had an RFID chip in
  it, also called Blink or PayPass. When I hold these wireless chips, I
  get a headache, etc. So I tried to shield it over the weekend and put it
  in the bathroom (away from bedroom). On Monday I called Chase to request
  a replacement card without Blink.
  Mom's light bulb turned on, she asked about the new credit cards they
  received in June.

  Eeeek! They have them too! And in dad's wallet he has been in close
  proximity for the same length of time that he had been getting worse.

  I first tried smashing the chip with a ball-peen hammer. I sat with mom
  in the garage/shop on the opposite side of the room, and waited 20
  minutes for the pain and other sensations to subside. Went over to hold
  the card again. This time only a lesser sensation. Still emitting... So
  next I drilled out the chip. I can now see the wires to the antenna in
  the rest of the plastic. Now the feeling is mostly gone. I did the same
  to the other 2 cards. The magnetic stripe is untouched and still works
  at the gas station.

  That night, we all slept better.
  In fact mom said later the next week she has Really been sleeping better
  all week since the RFID chips were destroyed. Very relaxed now. The
  tinitus is still louder, but the insomnia is gone.
  It seems important to tell that mom's card was in dad's den drawer until
  one month prior, when dad insisted mom put it in her purse. That is when
  mom really started having trouble sleeping. Didn't realize it until I
  brought it up. Couldn't figure out what changed, that we couldn't sleep.
  Mom was really tossing and turning, very distressed.

  Dad had been unable to sleep lately, short of breath, and falling
  asleep, even while we were talking to him.
  His heart rate has been 35-40, but the blood oxygen sensor says 98%.
  By the time we were in Spokane that October morning, dad was laughing
  and joking in the hospital.
  They scheduled tests later in the next week, and I took him home.

  Those chips are nasty!
  So check your cards for Blink))), and if you are not sleeping well,
  definitely get them out of your pocket and away from your bed!

  I asked Chase to replace that card... but they sent exactly the same
  thing!  I called them again and found the right wording to get the right
  card. Tell them you want to OPT out of the Blink program (and get a new
  card issued.)

  Stewart




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> But I can hardly imagine, that bank cards are emitting when not scanned.

I have a work ID badge that bothers me when it is:
 
  1) on my person, and
  2) I am around strong EMF sources (computers, florescent lights)

I don't think the badge is emitting anything, but it could be
the antenna that's built into the badge to pick up a 100-150khz
signal combined with ambient EMF that's bothering me.  I have tried
shielding it, and even once put it in a special badge holder
that "mis-tunes" the antenna so it doesn't respond to the
proximity transmitters (confirmed by my own testing), but
nothing eliminates my reaction to the badge other than getting
it away from me.

So yes, it's not emitting anything, but it still bothers me...

Marc

Hello Marc,

that can only be explained by the existance of longitudinal waves.

Where transversal waves stop, longitudinal waves go much farther.

In some way, your badge reinforces longitudinal waves.
Shielding (with f.i. aluminium foil) does not help, because longitudinal waves pass right through metallic shieldings.

(Years ago, my wife experienced trouble sitting right behind a satellite dish, some 5 meters away. I could not measure anything, but dismounting this dish resolved the problem.)

I suggest that you place a BioProtect card behind your badge.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Marc Martin
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 4:13 AM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Now: RFID and insomnia, Was: cell phone towers/ Marjij and Stewart


  > But I can hardly imagine, that bank cards are emitting when not scanned.

  I have a work ID badge that bothers me when it is:
   
    1) on my person, and
    2) I am around strong EMF sources (computers, florescent lights)

  I don't think the badge is emitting anything, but it could be
  the antenna that's built into the badge to pick up a 100-150khz
  signal combined with ambient EMF that's bothering me.  I have tried
  shielding it, and even once put it in a special badge holder
  that "mis-tunes" the antenna so it doesn't respond to the
  proximity transmitters (confirmed by my own testing), but
  nothing eliminates my reaction to the badge other than getting
  it away from me.

  So yes, it's not emitting anything, but it still bothers me...

  Marc




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> I suggest that you place a BioProtect card behind your badge.

Yes, I can give that a try... I did try putting a small tachyon
silica disc directly behind the chip that the badge's
internal antenna connects to, and I do think that this
helps the symptoms somewhat.

Marc

Charles,

where can I find scientific facts about longitudinal waves?

/anders

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Hello Anders,

I do now know.

This theme is very controversial.

Dr. Gruen has written something about it.

Prof. Meyl has published something about it.

I myself have encountered some experiences, which only could be explained by longitudinal waves.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  From: Anders Eriksson
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 5:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Now: RFID and insomnia,


  Charles,

  where can I find scientific facts about longitudinal waves?

  /anders

  charles skrev 2010-12-27 11:39:
  >
  > Hello Marc,
  >
  > that can only be explained by the existance of
  > longitudinal waves.
  >
  > Where transversal waves stop, longitudinal waves go much
  > farther.
  >
  > In some way, your badge reinforces longitudinal waves.
  > Shielding (with f.i. aluminium foil) does not help,
  > because longitudinal waves pass right through metallic
  > shieldings.
  >
  > (Years ago, my wife experienced trouble sitting right
  > behind a satellite dish, some 5 meters away. I could not
  > measure anything, but dismounting this dish resolved the
  > problem.)
  >
  > I suggest that you place a BioProtect card behind your badge.
  >
  > Greetings,
  > Charles Claessens
  > member Verband Baubiologie
  > www.milieuziektes.nl
  > www.milieuziektes.be
  > www.hetbitje.nl
  > checked by Norton
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: Marc Martin
  > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
  > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 4:13 AM
  > Subject: Re: [eSens] Now: RFID and insomnia, Was: cell
  > phone towers/ Marjij and Stewart
  >
  > > But I can hardly imagine, that bank cards are emitting
  > when not scanned.
  >
  > I have a work ID badge that bothers me when it is:
  >
  > 1) on my person, and
  > 2) I am around strong EMF sources (computers, florescent
  > lights)
  >
  > I don't think the badge is emitting anything, but it could be
  > the antenna that's built into the badge to pick up a
  > 100-150khz
  > signal combined with ambient EMF that's bothering me. I
  > have tried
  > shielding it, and even once put it in a special badge holder
  > that "mis-tunes" the antenna so it doesn't respond to the
  > proximity transmitters (confirmed by my own testing), but
  > nothing eliminates my reaction to the badge other than
  > getting
  > it away from me.
  >
  > So yes, it's not emitting anything, but it still bothers me...
  >
  > Marc
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The passive rfids could be transmitting even w/o the proper reader, any frequency hitting them like a radio station that won't tune in, would cause an emission.

Being we live mainly in chronic elektrosmog, they are going to be emitting pretty much constantly.

Then there are the active and semiactive rfids that have been around for quite a few years already, and do emit constantly. They also tend to cause cancer, and the lithium batteries in them corrode and be a problem to the skin, per former Motorola worker, and that was almost two decades ago I knew about this.
http://www.axcessinc.com/knowledge/whitepapers/ActiveRFID.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XXaqraF7pI&feature=player_embedded Don't ya just feel safe now with your chipped passport?

http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2006/12/19/220768/Trackable-clothing-unveiled.htm chipped clothing, read everywhere you're online.

Watch all your new cards, 2011 is when the US is suppose to issue all those national ids.

These things can be read at a much further distance than said. Search Bluetooth rifle for an example. But then satellites can read some too.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

New I forgot something.

Heard on a Spokane radio station this morning (lots of static and weirdness in the air coming through this a.m.) about a toll bridge somewhere in WA state, they are not having toll booths though, but will just read your license number and send you a bill, or you can get a ?don't have name of program, but rfid pass to stick in your windshield, sorta like greenpass has been using for truckers for some time now.
 UGGH. Well, more and more of us are being affected that weren't previous to digital tv, smart meters and live rfids. So, maybe that will spur more change sooner now.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@...> wrote:

> I first tried smashing the chip with a ball-peen hammer. I sat with mom
> in the garage/shop on the opposite side of the room, and waited 20
> minutes for the pain and other sensations to subside. Went over to hold
> the card again. This time only a lesser sensation. Still emitting... So
> next I drilled out the chip. I can now see the wires to the antenna in
> the rest of the plastic. Now the feeling is mostly gone. I did the same
> to the other 2 cards. The magnetic stripe is untouched and still works
> at the gas station.

Perhaps your experiments answer my question as to what portion of my work
ID badge causes me the most trouble?  I had thought that it might be the
antenna wire embedded in the badge, just because it is metal.  However
from your experiments it sounds like it might be the chip that the
antenna connects to.  

And I'll note that not all of these chips are bad.  The previous generation
work ID badge that I used to have also had an antenna and a chip, but it
caused me no symptoms.

But the problems caused by these chips are easy to detect, as the
symptoms are strong & immediate.  Unfortunately, I can't drill out
the chip on my work ID badge, because I need that functionality to
get into the building!

Marc

--- In [hidden email], Anders Eriksson <skal.man@...> wrote:
>
> Charles,
>
> where can I find scientific facts about longitudinal waves?
>
> /anders
>
Charles, try Col. Tom Bearden.  He knows everything about everything.  He looks pretty grungy because he was burned in a radar wave and almost died, but he is doing okay and is a brilliant nuclear physicist. He is the ultimate source of info that you want and that the govt wishes never got out.

http://66.49.160.53/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm

If the link doesn't work, go to www.cheniere.org and look around.

Marji

I would think the following shielding approaches would work:
1.  magnetic shielding: mu metal or something like that.
If you know what frequency it's designed to use as a power source make sure
the material shields well at that frequency.  If you
use some kind of material that isn't too conductive add a layer of
aluminum foil too.

2.  Thick aluminum, like 1/4" should also do the trick, using eddy
currents.  Or thick copper.

3.  The other approach is to let the chip be powered but try to block the
RF.  This is not easy but if you have really good conductivity all the way
around it should be possible.  Try 3 layers of tight aluminum foil.  For the
second and third layers, try crumpling the foil first.  Or add some RF
absorber material.  I think the first layer you want as tight as possible.

I think there are a lot of broadband sources like fluorescent lights that
will charge up the devices.

Bill

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> I would think the following shielding approaches would work:
> 1.  magnetic shielding: mu metal or something like that.
> 2.  Thick aluminum, like 1/4" should also do the trick

Heh, heh, well it's not going to work well as a photo
ID badge if it's all covered in shielding!  :-)

Marc