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SArjuna
Aline mentioned that she does not see a difference in the Steter meter
readings when her own computers are on vs. off. I'd like to point out that
the meter has to be plugged into the same line that the computers are, to see
what effect they are having re. electrical pollution.
If the computers are on the building's A line and the meter is plugged
into the B line, you won't be able to tell what they are adding, over on the A
line.

Shivani
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alinepapille
Hi Shivani,

I did plug the meter into a socket in the office and we also tested
with it plugged into the nearest socket to the meter box and then
turning off all the other circuits one by one except the nearest one
(on both phases) and it showed 1 every time.

So I can only presume that these readings are coming from outside.

You recommended 20 filters but I understand that I need to put them
near the meter box so not quite sure how to do that.

Any advice?

Thanks,
Aline

In [hidden email], SArjuna@... wrote:

Aline mentioned that she does not see a difference in the Steter
meter readings when her own computers are on vs. off. I'd like to
point out that the meter has to be plugged into the same line that
the computers are, to see what effect they are having re. electrical
pollution.    
If the computers are on the building's A line and the meter is
plugged into the B line, you won't be able to tell what they are
adding, over on the A line.

Shivani
www.LifeEnergies.com

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SArjuna
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The Health Canada "study" of the GS filters is not science, and was done
with the sole intention of discrediting the filters.    

Dr. Havas's letter to Health Canada:

GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email] page 1/5
Magda Havas, B.Sc., Ph.D.
Environmental & Resource Studies
TRENT UNIVERSITY, PETERBOROUGH, ONTARIO, CANADA, K9J 7B8
Phone: (705) 748-1011 ext. 1232, FAX: (705) 748-1569, e-mail [hidden email]

Open letter to Health Canada
Response to: Evaluation of the Stetzer Filters1
October 10, 2006

The Honorable Tony Clement,
Minister of Health,
Health Canada.
[hidden email]

I raise a serious concern about a document1 written by six scientists at
Health Canada's Consumer and
Clinical Protection Bureau that was recently posted on the BC Centre for
Disease Control2 web site. The
Health Canada scientists purport to test the effectiveness of the
Graham/Stetzer filters to reduce dirty
electricity. This document does not appear on the Health Canada web site and
has not been published in a
peer-reviewed journal. Had it been peer reviewed it would not have been
accepted for the obvious errors
I mention below. This document is more concerned in protecting the electric
utility than it is in protecting
the health of Canadians. It surprises me that Health Canada would approve
release of this document with
so many fundamental errors.
It is my understanding that this document has been circulated widely yet the
Health Canada authors did
not have the courtesy to send a copy of their report to the designers of this
filter, Professor Martin Graham
(UC Berkeley) and Mr. Dave Stetzer (President of Stetzer Electric).
I ask you to look into this matter. Dave Stetzer has agreed to demonstrate
how the filters work using appropriate equipment and I ask you to encourageyour
scientists at Health Canada to take him up on his
offer.
What follows is my evaluation of and response to the Health Canada document1.
Sincerely,
Magda Havas
1 Gajda, G., A. Thansandote, E. Lemay, D. Lecuyer, W. Gorman, and J. McNamee.
2006.
Report on Evaluation of Stetzer Filters, Consumer and Clinical Radiation
Protection Bureau, Health Canada.
2 BCCDC web site: www.bccdc.org/content.php?.item=62 NOTE: This agency states
the following:
Cell Phones: Scientific evidence to date has not presented convincing
evidence from either animal, cellular,
laboratory studies or epidemiology to implicate electromagnetic radiation
exposure from portable phones as
a cause of cancer.
Cellular Transmitting Towers: Most research studies conducted to date have
not shown that electromagnetic
fields surrounding a cellular transmitter site cause cancer or other adverse
health effects in the population.
Power Frequency Electric and Magnetic Fields: Therefore the available
scientific evidence to date does not
support the assumption that adverse health effects from exposure to these
fields at levels normally
encountered in our homes, schools and offices pose a risk to human health.
GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email] page 2/5
Havas, M. 2006. Response to: Evaluation of the Stetzer Filters. Open letter
to Health
Canada, October 10, 2006.
Many products are now available to help people who suffer from exposure to
electromagnetic energy and
it is right for Health Canada to take these claims seriously and to test the
products to see if they do indeed
accomplish what they claim. Obviously this is what Health Canada had in mind
when they decided to test
the GS filters. I applaud them for this but am deeply disturbed by some of
the fundamental errors they
made during the testing of these filters and in the flawed document they
produced.
Health Canada used equipment that neither had the appropriate range of
frequencies nor had the needed
sensitivity to test the GS filters? Health Canada inappropriately applied
equations intended for linear
loads to non-linear loads? Health Canada claimed that the GS filters produce
dirty electricity that may be
harmful to human health when they previously denied any harmful effects of
dirty electricity? Health
Canada seems more concerned about the impact these filters might have on the
electricity providers rather
than the impact dirty electricity might have on the health of Canadians, as
their name implies?
This open letter is intended to set the record straight and to offer Health
Canada a demonstration
of what the GS filters do using appropriate equipment.
I will deal with some of the more blatant errors in the Health Canada
document and try to keep it as
concise and non-technical as possible so that others will see what Health
Canada has done or failed to do.
I understand that Dr. Don Hillman (Michigan State University) responded
earlier this year to statements
made in this document concerning biological effects of dirty electricity and
that Dr. Martin Graham (UC
Berkeley) plans to respond to the electrical engineering aspects based on the
Health Canada study design
and execution.
1. The GS filters remove dirty electricity within the frequency range of 4 to
100 kHz (4,000 and 100,000
cycles per second) and their ability to reduce microsurges above and below
this range falls off
rapidly. This was clearly stated in the Havas and Stetzer (2004) document
cited by Health Canada.
So why did Health Canada use equipment that covered the range of 50 Hz to 5
kHz? There was an
overlap of 1 kHz and this tested 1% of the effective frequency range of the
filters. Clearly
inappropriate instrumentation was used and hence Health Canada can make no
claims as to whether
or not the filters work because they were unable to test the filters
properly. This alone makes the
entire document worthless as a test of the effectiveness of the GS filters to
reduce dirty electricity in
the 4 to 100 kHz frequency range (Figure 1).
overlap 4 to 5 kHz (1% effective range of GS filters)
instrument used by Health Canada 50 Hz to 5 kHz
effective range of GS filters 4 kHz to 100 kHz
frequency (kHz)
10
20
30
40
50
60
70
80
90
100
Figure 1. Frequency range for GS filter, frequency range for equipment Health
Canada
used to test the GS filters, overlapping frequencies.
0
GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email] page 3/5
2. The dirty electricity rides on top of the 60 Hz sine wave yet Health
Canada made no attempt to
separate the 60 Hz cycle from the high frequencies. They could have used a
ubiquitous filter and thus
had more accuracy for the higher frequencies for at least 1 kHz of the
overlap between the
instrumentation and the filter's effective range.
Health Canada admits their equipment did not have the appropriate sensitivity
because, when the GS
filter was plugged in, the microsurge meter measured reductions in dirty
electricity that their
equipment failed to detect.
3. Health Canada states that the filters have no effect at low frequencies in
reducing harmonics. They
provide evidence of this up to the 7th harmonic or 420 Hz. No one ever
claimed the GS filters worked
at these low frequencies. They work for the frequency range of 4,000 to
100,000 Hz and 420 Hz is no
within that range. This is a red herring meant to discredit the filters by
stating they don't work but for
a frequency range they were not intended for. This lower frequency has less
energy and is less likely
to be as biologically active as higher frequencies (Riley 1998). See Item 5
below.
4. Health Canada erroneously claims that low levels of dirty electricity have
no biological effects, but
they provide no documentation to support their claim.
Studies show that people who have multiple sclerosis, type 1 and type 2
diabetics, chronic fatigue,
tinnitus, and symptoms of electromagnetic hypersensitivity have benefited
when the filters were used
to clean up their home or work environment (Havas and Stetzer 2004). We have
empirical evidence
that these filters work both in the sense of reducing dirty electricity and
improving health.
Diabetics had lower fasting glucose levels and required less insulin. Our
studies with diabetics were
independently replicated in Japan with similar results. According to Health
Canada an estimated two
million Canadians have diabetes and the cost of diabetes in Canada is
estimated to be up to $9 billion
annually. If even a small percentage of these diabetics could benefit by
cleaning up the dirty
electricity in their home/work/school environment, the savings in health care
could be considerable.
Multiple sclerosis patients had reduced tremors and some were able to walk
unassisted within a few
days to weeks after filters were installed in their homes. No other changes
were made in their diet or
medication during this period to account for these changes. We have
video-documented evidence of
these improvements. How does Health Canada explain this and what evidence do
they have to the
contrary to support the claims that dirty electricity is not biological
active? According to the Multiple
Sclerosis Society of Canada (2002) Canada has one of the highest rates of MS
in the world. An
estimated 50,000 Canadians have MS and 70% of people with MS are unable to
work 5-10 years after
they are diagnosed. A number of people with MS who have used the GS Filters
were able to continue
work or return to work after they reduced the dirty electricity in their
home/work environment. Their
improved quality of life, the reduced stress on family members, and their
ability to remain productive
members of society should be of enormous interest to Health Canada.
5. Health Canada claims that the GS filters produce dirty electricity at the
low frequency range and that
this dirty electricity may be harmful. How can they argue it both ways? At
first they claim that the
levels of dirty electricity are so low that they are not biologically active
and then they claim that the
filters produce low levels of dirty electricity that are harmful to health.
Energy is related to frequency and the higher the frequency the greater the
energy. Sixty kHz (60,000
Hz) has 1000 times more energy than 60 Hz. Also, frequencies above 1.7 kHz
begin to penetrate the
body (Riley 1998). Yet Health Canada claims that the lower frequencies,
purportedly generated by
the GS filters, have a greater biological effect with less energy and less
penetrating power. This is
GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email] page 4/5
contrary to logic. Dr. Don Hillman addresses this in greater detail in his
letter to Health Canada sent
earlier this year (2006).
6. Health Canada claims that the filters would increase our demand for
electricity requiring more
transmission facilities. The electricity provider will have additional
transmission losses due to the
continuous nature of this load in their distribution lines and transformers.
However, if manufacturers
of electronic equipment properly filtered their equipment and if the utility
distributed clean electricity
these filters would not be necessary.
Poor Power Quality
Dirty electricity is a serious utility concern. It costs industry in the
United States between 4 and 6 billion
dollars each year for dirty power (Fortune, June 5, 1999) and this does not
include the health costs.
Industry has long recognized this and they use large capacitors (filters)
because they require clean
electricity for proper functioning of their equipment. Power surges are
costly if they stop production and
damage equipment. Surge suppressors are used in homes and offices to protect
computers and other
sensitive equipment for the same reason.
The IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) has long
recognized the problems associated
with spurious radio frequencies (RF) and the electric utilities have filters
to mitigate this problem,
although they tend not to use them as often as they should (see Ontario
Hydro's own document, Power
Quality Reference Guide (1998).
According to the IEEE 519-1992, “Since most electronic equipment islocated
at a low voltage level of is
associated power distribution system, it is frequently exposed to the effects
of voltage notching. Voltage
notches frequently introduce frequencies, both harmonic and nonharmonic, that
are much higher than
normally exhibited in 5 kV and higher voltage distribution systems. These
frequencies can be in the radio
frequency (RF) range, and as such, can introduce harmful effects associated
with spurious RF (page 39).”
Poor power quality is a serious problem and both industry and the utilities
have filters to improve power
quality. Now a filter that plugs into an outlet and doesn't require an
electrician has been designed for the
home. The GS filter is a smaller version of the capacitors used by industry.
The GS filter protects
equipment from power surges and research shows that it helps people who are
sensitive to this form of
energy (Havas and Stetzer 2004). Surely the novel information here is not
that a filter can reduce dirty
electricity but that dirty electricity affects health. Isn't this what Health
Canada should be testing?
Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity
People, who are genuinely suffering from what they describe as electrical
hypersensitivity (EHS)3,
contact me from all over North America. We have been able to help a few of
those individuals who have
participated in studies. Countless others have also benefited from the
filters. They can't all be wrong. I
encourage Health Canada to test the health claims we make in our studies
because that is what is of
primary importance.
3 The World Health Organization (2004) describes electromagnetic
hypersensitivity (EHS) as: “ . . . a phenomenon
where individuals experience adverse health effects while using or being in
the vicinity of devices emanating electric,
magnetic, or electromagnetic fields (EMFs). Whatever its cause, EHS is a real
and sometimes a debilitating problem
for the affected persons . . . “
GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email] page 5/5
Estimates show that 3% of the population has electrical hypersensitivity
(EHS) and that an addition 35%
have symptoms of EHS (Philips and Philips 2006). That range accounts for
between 980,000 and 11
million Canadians who may be adversely affected by electromagnetic pollution
in its various forms. So
this is potentially a very serious health concern in Canada.
Dirty electricity is ubiquitous and getting worse because of the electronic
equipment we use and because
of the inadequacy of some of our power lines. Eventually the utility will
have to deal with this pollutant
and we hope it will be sooner rather than later so that fewer lives will be
destroyed because of the
insensitivity of the industry and their failure to adhere to their own
guidelines.
Health Canada should take a more proactive role in dealing with
electromagnetic pollution and electrical
hypersensitivity by informing doctors about the symptoms of EHS, testing the
products that claim to
work, establishing monitoring programs for electromagnetic pollution in
schools and elsewhere, and
providing Canadians with solutions through legislation to ensure that our
environment is as clean, safe,
and healthy as possible.
An offer to demonstrate how the filters work
Dave Stetzer, one of the co-inventors of the GS filter, would be willing to
demonstrate to Health Canada
how the filters work using the appropriate equipment. He makes this offer
because it is important for
Health Canada to be aware of the seriousness of this problem and to
understand how the filters work,
especially if they later decide to do some studies with human subjects.
I look foreword to a favorable response to Dave Stetzer's offer because I
assume that we are
interested in the same thing--the health of Canadians.
References
IEEE 1992. IEEE Recommended Practices and Requirements for Harmonic Control
in Electrical Power
Systems. Sponsors: Transmission and distribution committee of the IEEE Power
Engineering Society
and Static Power Converter Committee of the IEE Industry Applications
Society; Approved June 18,
1992 IEEE Standards Board; Approved January 4, 1993 American National
Standards Institute.
Gajda, G., A. Thansandote, E. Lemay, D. Lecuyer, W. Gorman, and J. McNamee.
2006. Report on
Evaluation of Stetzer Filters Consumer and Clinical Radiation Protection
Bureau, Health Canada.
available at: www.bccdc.org/content.php?.item=62
Havas M and Stetzer D. 2004. Dirty Electricity and Electrical
Hypersensitivity: Five Case Studies,
World Health Organization Workshop on Electrical Hypersensitivity, 25-26
October, Prague, Czech
Republic.
Multiple Sclerosis Society of Canada. 2002. On The Path to a Cure: From
Diagnosis to Chronic Disease
Management Brief Submitted to the Commission on the Future of Health Care in
Canada, March
2002, 7 pp http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca
Ontario Hydro. 1998. Power Quality Reference Guide, 3rd Edition, Ontario
Hydro.
Philips A and Philips J. 2006. The Power Watch Handbook. Piatkus Books Ltd.,
London. 294 pp.
Reilly, J.P. 1998. Applied Bioelectricity. Springer-Verlag, NY, 561 pp.
Stahlkopf, Karl. 1999. Cost of Dirty Power. Fortune, June 5, 1999.

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On 1/30/07, Alasdair Philips < [hidden email]> wrote:

That Health Canada (Gajda et al, 2006) Stezer Filter test report is
appalling - I am surprised that Health Canada put their name to it. It isa
very poor piece of work and the researchers didn't use appropriate testing
equipment or methods of testing to actually test the Stetzer filter
specifications. I would grade it a "fail" at final year undergraduate
electronics project level.

----------------

On 1/30/07, K Byrne < [hidden email]> wrote to a man who used the Health
Canada study to put down Stetzer's work:

I'm truly surprised how a man who claims to be an EMF expert can get things
so wrong.

The Stetzer filter is a capacitor, and any capacitor draws reactive current
and does not increase one's electrical bills. The filter does not create
higher frequencies either, it's designed to remove the higher frequencies
between 4 kHz to 100 kHz - frequencies in the dangerous radio frequency (3
kHz or greater) range. This is confirmed in the Heath Canada report you
noted in your email. I quote from the Health Canada report: "The Stetzer
filter is probably effective in attenuating high frequency (4 kHz to 100kHz)
noise on the AC power lines..."

Furthermore, in this biased piece of work Health Canada actually measured
the wrong frequency range, measuring only the less harmful 50 Hz to 5 kHz
frequeicies, as opposed to the higher more dangerous 4 kHz to 100 kHz
frequencies. An overlay totaling only 1% of the filters capability. They
also measured the input to the filter not the actual output. They didn't
measure the actual "result" of the filtration.

As far as creating a strong magnetic fields this is also wrong. Yes a GS
filter will produce a locally increased magnetic field that drops off
quickly with distance, but they do not produce high frequency radiation.
During your EMF workshop last year I let you borrow a Stetzer filter and
meter and your wife Monique conducted a demonstration that showed the
magnetic field dropped to all the way zero only 10 inches from the filter.
So, unless you're sitting on it I doubt it would be much of an issue.

In your email you also state: "after we had mitigated in the entire house
electromagnetic pollution levels to safe ones." Can you tell me what levels
of electromagnetic pollution is "safe?" Dr. Neil Cherry state the safe level
to RF is "zero".

You state: "It is indeed cheaper and more health beneficial to simply solve
the wiring errors." How exactly are you going to remove noise from a circuit
by correcting net current problems? Is there some secret wiring technique
you would like to share with us? Perhaps you're implying arcing is causing
all of this high frequency noise? This is not the case, it's caused
primarily by electronic devices that transform AC current to low-voltage DC
and by things like dimmer switches and devices that have variable speed
motors.

I suggest you speak with Dave Stetzer, you need to become better informed on
this important topic.

Kevin Byrne
www.EMFSolutions.ca
877 987-5185
 
 


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charles-4
Yes, they got it all wrong.

1. Most disturbing frequencies are around 30 kHz.

2. What are the boudaries of sensibility of electrosensible people?
Under *harmful* it is understood, that the person shopuld drop dead
instantly, which is not the case.

Electrosensible people may react to very tiny levels of radiation.
It is my experience, that for electrosensibles the GS readings of 50 are not
sufficient.
A reading of 35 is a level where electrosensibles can live with.

3. As I have found out after several hundreds of building biological house
investigations, pulsed high frequency fields between 200 and 2000 uW/m2 ( or
0.275 and 0.9 V/m) may cause electrosensibility.
But, and that is something most *scientists* do not realize, once one has
become electrosensible, one may react to levels of 1 uW/m2 (or 0.006 V/m).
And those are levels, which are even hard to measure.

So, electrosensibles may react to more than 50 GS units, aalthough those
*scientists* do not understand why.
And nobody wants to study what make electrosensibles *tick*.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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The Health Canada "study" of the GS filters is not science, and was
done
with the sole intention of discrediting the filters.

Dr. Havas's letter to Health Canada:

GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email] page 1/5
Magda Havas, B.Sc., Ph.D.
Environmental & Resource Studies
TRENT UNIVERSITY, PETERBOROUGH, ONTARIO, CANADA, K9J 7B8
Phone: (705) 748-1011 ext. 1232, FAX: (705) 748-1569, e-mail
[hidden email]

Open letter to Health Canada
Response to: Evaluation of the Stetzer Filters1
October 10, 2006

The Honorable Tony Clement,
Minister of Health,
Health Canada.
[hidden email]

I raise a serious concern about a document1 written by six scientists at
Health Canada's Consumer and
Clinical Protection Bureau that was recently posted on the BC Centre for
Disease Control2 web site. The
Health Canada scientists purport to test the effectiveness of the
Graham/Stetzer filters to reduce dirty
electricity. This document does not appear on the Health Canada web site and
has not been published in a
peer-reviewed journal. Had it been peer reviewed it would not have been
accepted for the obvious errors
I mention below. This document is more concerned in protecting the electric
utility than it is in protecting
the health of Canadians. It surprises me that Health Canada would approve
release of this document with
so many fundamental errors.
It is my understanding that this document has been circulated widely yet the
Health Canada authors did
not have the courtesy to send a copy of their report to the designers of
this
filter, Professor Martin Graham
(UC Berkeley) and Mr. Dave Stetzer (President of Stetzer Electric).
I ask you to look into this matter. Dave Stetzer has agreed to demonstrate
how the filters work using appropriate equipment and I ask you to encourage
your
scientists at Health Canada to take him up on his
offer.
What follows is my evaluation of and response to the Health Canada
document1.
Sincerely,
Magda Havas
1 Gajda, G., A. Thansandote, E. Lemay, D. Lecuyer, W. Gorman, and J.
McNamee.
2006.
Report on Evaluation of Stetzer Filters, Consumer and Clinical Radiation
Protection Bureau, Health Canada.
2 BCCDC web site: www.bccdc.org/content.php?.item=62 NOTE: This agency
states
the following:
Cell Phones: Scientific evidence to date has not presented convincing
evidence from either animal, cellular,
laboratory studies or epidemiology to implicate electromagnetic radiation
exposure from portable phones as
a cause of cancer.
Cellular Transmitting Towers: Most research studies conducted to date have
not shown that electromagnetic
fields surrounding a cellular transmitter site cause cancer or other adverse
health effects in the population.
Power Frequency Electric and Magnetic Fields: Therefore the available
scientific evidence to date does not
support the assumption that adverse health effects from exposure to these
fields at levels normally
encountered in our homes, schools and offices pose a risk to human health.
GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email] page 2/5
Havas, M. 2006. Response to: Evaluation of the Stetzer Filters. Open letter
to Health
Canada, October 10, 2006.
Many products are now available to help people who suffer from exposure to
electromagnetic energy and
it is right for Health Canada to take these claims seriously and to test the
products to see if they do indeed
accomplish what they claim. Obviously this is what Health Canada had in mind
when they decided to test
the GS filters. I applaud them for this but am deeply disturbed by some of
the fundamental errors they
made during the testing of these filters and in the flawed document they
produced.
Health Canada used equipment that neither had the appropriate range of
frequencies nor had the needed
sensitivity to test the GS filters? Health Canada inappropriately applied
equations intended for linear
loads to non-linear loads? Health Canada claimed that the GS filters produce
dirty electricity that may be
harmful to human health when they previously denied any harmful effects of
dirty electricity? Health
Canada seems more concerned about the impact these filters might have on the
electricity providers rather
than the impact dirty electricity might have on the health of Canadians, as
their name implies?
This open letter is intended to set the record straight and to offer Health
Canada a demonstration
of what the GS filters do using appropriate equipment.
I will deal with some of the more blatant errors in the Health Canada
document and try to keep it as
concise and non-technical as possible so that others will see what Health
Canada has done or failed to do.
I understand that Dr. Don Hillman (Michigan State University) responded
earlier this year to statements
made in this document concerning biological effects of dirty electricity and
that Dr. Martin Graham (UC
Berkeley) plans to respond to the electrical engineering aspects based on
the
Health Canada study design
and execution.
1. The GS filters remove dirty electricity within the frequency range of 4
to
100 kHz (4,000 and 100,000
cycles per second) and their ability to reduce microsurges above and below
this range falls off
rapidly. This was clearly stated in the Havas and Stetzer (2004) document
cited by Health Canada.
So why did Health Canada use equipment that covered the range of 50 Hz to 5
kHz? There was an
overlap of 1 kHz and this tested 1% of the effective frequency range of the
filters. Clearly
inappropriate instrumentation was used and hence Health Canada can make no
claims as to whether
or not the filters work because they were unable to test the filters
properly. This alone makes the
entire document worthless as a test of the effectiveness of the GS filters
to
reduce dirty electricity in
the 4 to 100 kHz frequency range (Figure 1).
overlap 4 to 5 kHz (1% effective range of GS filters)
instrument used by Health Canada 50 Hz to 5 kHz
effective range of GS filters 4 kHz to 100 kHz
frequency (kHz)
10
20
30
40
50
60
70
80
90
100
Figure 1. Frequency range for GS filter, frequency range for equipment
Health
Canada
used to test the GS filters, overlapping frequencies.
0
GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email] page 3/5
2. The dirty electricity rides on top of the 60 Hz sine wave yet Health
Canada made no attempt to
separate the 60 Hz cycle from the high frequencies. They could have used a
ubiquitous filter and thus
had more accuracy for the higher frequencies for at least 1 kHz of the
overlap between the
instrumentation and the filter's effective range.
Health Canada admits their equipment did not have the appropriate
sensitivity
because, when the GS
filter was plugged in, the microsurge meter measured reductions in dirty
electricity that their
equipment failed to detect.
3. Health Canada states that the filters have no effect at low frequencies
in
reducing harmonics. They
provide evidence of this up to the 7th harmonic or 420 Hz. No one ever
claimed the GS filters worked
at these low frequencies. They work for the frequency range of 4,000 to
100,000 Hz and 420 Hz is no
within that range. This is a red herring meant to discredit the filters by
stating they don't work but for
a frequency range they were not intended for. This lower frequency has less
energy and is less likely
to be as biologically active as higher frequencies (Riley 1998). See Item 5
below.
4. Health Canada erroneously claims that low levels of dirty electricity
have
no biological effects, but
they provide no documentation to support their claim.
Studies show that people who have multiple sclerosis, type 1 and type 2
diabetics, chronic fatigue,
tinnitus, and symptoms of electromagnetic hypersensitivity have benefited
when the filters were used
to clean up their home or work environment (Havas and Stetzer 2004). We have
empirical evidence
that these filters work both in the sense of reducing dirty electricity and
improving health.
Diabetics had lower fasting glucose levels and required less insulin. Our
studies with diabetics were
independently replicated in Japan with similar results. According to Health
Canada an estimated two
million Canadians have diabetes and the cost of diabetes in Canada is
estimated to be up to $9 billion
annually. If even a small percentage of these diabetics could benefit by
cleaning up the dirty
electricity in their home/work/school environment, the savings in health
care
could be considerable.
Multiple sclerosis patients had reduced tremors and some were able to walk
unassisted within a few
days to weeks after filters were installed in their homes. No other changes
were made in their diet or
medication during this period to account for these changes. We have
video-documented evidence of
these improvements. How does Health Canada explain this and what evidence do
they have to the
contrary to support the claims that dirty electricity is not biological
active? According to the Multiple
Sclerosis Society of Canada (2002) Canada has one of the highest rates of MS
in the world. An
estimated 50,000 Canadians have MS and 70% of people with MS are unable to
work 5-10 years after
they are diagnosed. A number of people with MS who have used the GS Filters
were able to continue
work or return to work after they reduced the dirty electricity in their
home/work environment. Their
improved quality of life, the reduced stress on family members, and their
ability to remain productive
members of society should be of enormous interest to Health Canada.
5. Health Canada claims that the GS filters produce dirty electricity at the
low frequency range and that
this dirty electricity may be harmful. How can they argue it both ways? At
first they claim that the
levels of dirty electricity are so low that they are not biologically active
and then they claim that the
filters produce low levels of dirty electricity that are harmful to health.
Energy is related to frequency and the higher the frequency the greater the
energy. Sixty kHz (60,000
Hz) has 1000 times more energy than 60 Hz. Also, frequencies above 1.7 kHz
begin to penetrate the
body (Riley 1998). Yet Health Canada claims that the lower frequencies,
purportedly generated by
the GS filters, have a greater biological effect with less energy and less
penetrating power. This is
GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email] page 4/5
contrary to logic. Dr. Don Hillman addresses this in greater detail in his
letter to Health Canada sent
earlier this year (2006).
6. Health Canada claims that the filters would increase our demand for
electricity requiring more
transmission facilities. The electricity provider will have additional
transmission losses due to the
continuous nature of this load in their distribution lines and transformers.
However, if manufacturers
of electronic equipment properly filtered their equipment and if the utility
distributed clean electricity
these filters would not be necessary.
Poor Power Quality
Dirty electricity is a serious utility concern. It costs industry in the
United States between 4 and 6 billion
dollars each year for dirty power (Fortune, June 5, 1999) and this does not
include the health costs.
Industry has long recognized this and they use large capacitors (filters)
because they require clean
electricity for proper functioning of their equipment. Power surges are
costly if they stop production and
damage equipment. Surge suppressors are used in homes and offices to protect
computers and other
sensitive equipment for the same reason.
The IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) has long
recognized the problems associated
with spurious radio frequencies (RF) and the electric utilities have filters
to mitigate this problem,
although they tend not to use them as often as they should (see Ontario
Hydro's own document, Power
Quality Reference Guide (1998).
According to the IEEE 519-1992, “Since most electronic equipment is located
at a low voltage level of is
associated power distribution system, it is frequently exposed to the
effects
of voltage notching. Voltage
notches frequently introduce frequencies, both harmonic and nonharmonic,
that
are much higher than
normally exhibited in 5 kV and higher voltage distribution systems. These
frequencies can be in the radio
frequency (RF) range, and as such, can introduce harmful effects associated
with spurious RF (page 39).”
Poor power quality is a serious problem and both industry and the utilities
have filters to improve power
quality. Now a filter that plugs into an outlet and doesn't require an
electrician has been designed for the
home. The GS filter is a smaller version of the capacitors used by industry.
The GS filter protects
equipment from power surges and research shows that it helps people who are
sensitive to this form of
energy (Havas and Stetzer 2004). Surely the novel information here is not
that a filter can reduce dirty
electricity but that dirty electricity affects health. Isn't this what
Health
Canada should be testing?
Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity
People, who are genuinely suffering from what they describe as electrical
hypersensitivity (EHS)3,
contact me from all over North America. We have been able to help a few of
those individuals who have
participated in studies. Countless others have also benefited from the
filters. They can't all be wrong. I
encourage Health Canada to test the health claims we make in our studies
because that is what is of
primary importance.
3 The World Health Organization (2004) describes electromagnetic
hypersensitivity (EHS) as: “ . . . a phenomenon
where individuals experience adverse health effects while using or being in
the vicinity of devices emanating electric,
magnetic, or electromagnetic fields (EMFs). Whatever its cause, EHS is a
real
and sometimes a debilitating problem
for the affected persons . . . “
GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email] page 5/5
Estimates show that 3% of the population has electrical hypersensitivity
(EHS) and that an addition 35%
have symptoms of EHS (Philips and Philips 2006). That range accounts for
between 980,000 and 11
million Canadians who may be adversely affected by electromagnetic pollution
in its various forms. So
this is potentially a very serious health concern in Canada.
Dirty electricity is ubiquitous and getting worse because of the electronic
equipment we use and because
of the inadequacy of some of our power lines. Eventually the utility will
have to deal with this pollutant
and we hope it will be sooner rather than later so that fewer lives will be
destroyed because of the
insensitivity of the industry and their failure to adhere to their own
guidelines.
Health Canada should take a more proactive role in dealing with
electromagnetic pollution and electrical
hypersensitivity by informing doctors about the symptoms of EHS, testing the
products that claim to
work, establishing monitoring programs for electromagnetic pollution in
schools and elsewhere, and
providing Canadians with solutions through legislation to ensure that our
environment is as clean, safe,
and healthy as possible.
An offer to demonstrate how the filters work
Dave Stetzer, one of the co-inventors of the GS filter, would be willing to
demonstrate to Health Canada
how the filters work using the appropriate equipment. He makes this offer
because it is important for
Health Canada to be aware of the seriousness of this problem and to
understand how the filters work,
especially if they later decide to do some studies with human subjects.
I look foreword to a favorable response to Dave Stetzer's offer because I
assume that we are
interested in the same thing--the health of Canadians.
References
IEEE 1992. IEEE Recommended Practices and Requirements for Harmonic Control
in Electrical Power
Systems. Sponsors: Transmission and distribution committee of the IEEE Power
Engineering Society
and Static Power Converter Committee of the IEE Industry Applications
Society; Approved June 18,
1992 IEEE Standards Board; Approved January 4, 1993 American National
Standards Institute.
Gajda, G., A. Thansandote, E. Lemay, D. Lecuyer, W. Gorman, and J. McNamee.
2006. Report on
Evaluation of Stetzer Filters Consumer and Clinical Radiation Protection
Bureau, Health Canada.
available at: www.bccdc.org/content.php?.item=62
Havas M and Stetzer D. 2004. Dirty Electricity and Electrical
Hypersensitivity: Five Case Studies,
World Health Organization Workshop on Electrical Hypersensitivity, 25-26
October, Prague, Czech
Republic.
Multiple Sclerosis Society of Canada. 2002. On The Path to a Cure: From
Diagnosis to Chronic Disease
Management Brief Submitted to the Commission on the Future of Health Care in
Canada, March
2002, 7 pp http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca
Ontario Hydro. 1998. Power Quality Reference Guide, 3rd Edition, Ontario
Hydro.
Philips A and Philips J. 2006. The Power Watch Handbook. Piatkus Books Ltd.,
London. 294 pp.
Reilly, J.P. 1998. Applied Bioelectricity. Springer-Verlag, NY, 561 pp.
Stahlkopf, Karl. 1999. Cost of Dirty Power. Fortune, June 5, 1999.

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On 1/30/07, Alasdair Philips < [hidden email]> wrote:

That Health Canada (Gajda et al, 2006) Stezer Filter test report is
appalling - I am surprised that Health Canada put their name to it. It is
a
very poor piece of work and the researchers didn't use appropriate testing
equipment or methods of testing to actually test the Stetzer filter
specifications. I would grade it a "fail" at final year undergraduate
electronics project level.

----------------

On 1/30/07, K Byrne < [hidden email]> wrote to a man who used the
Health
Canada study to put down Stetzer's work:

I'm truly surprised how a man who claims to be an EMF expert can get things
so wrong.

The Stetzer filter is a capacitor, and any capacitor draws reactive current
and does not increase one's electrical bills. The filter does not create
higher frequencies either, it's designed to remove the higher frequencies
between 4 kHz to 100 kHz - frequencies in the dangerous radio frequency (3
kHz or greater) range. This is confirmed in the Heath Canada report you
noted in your email. I quote from the Health Canada report: "The Stetzer
filter is probably effective in attenuating high frequency (4 kHz to 100kHz)
noise on the AC power lines..."

Furthermore, in this biased piece of work Health Canada actually measured
the wrong frequency range, measuring only the less harmful 50 Hz to 5 kHz
frequeicies, as opposed to the higher more dangerous 4 kHz to 100 kHz
frequencies. An overlay totaling only 1% of the filters capability. They
also measured the input to the filter not the actual output. They didn't
measure the actual "result" of the filtration.

As far as creating a strong magnetic fields this is also wrong. Yes a GS
filter will produce a locally increased magnetic field that drops off
quickly with distance, but they do not produce high frequency radiation.
During your EMF workshop last year I let you borrow a Stetzer filter and
meter and your wife Monique conducted a demonstration that showed the
magnetic field dropped to all the way zero only 10 inches from the filter.
So, unless you're sitting on it I doubt it would be much of an issue.

In your email you also state: "after we had mitigated in the entire house
electromagnetic pollution levels to safe ones." Can you tell me what levels
of electromagnetic pollution is "safe?" Dr. Neil Cherry state the safe level
to RF is "zero".

You state: "It is indeed cheaper and more health beneficial to simply solve
the wiring errors." How exactly are you going to remove noise from a circuit
by correcting net current problems? Is there some secret wiring technique
you would like to share with us? Perhaps you're implying arcing is causing
all of this high frequency noise? This is not the case, it's caused
primarily by electronic devices that transform AC current to low-voltage DC
and by things like dimmer switches and devices that have variable speed
motors.

I suggest you speak with Dave Stetzer, you need to become better informed on
this important topic.

Kevin Byrne
www.EMFSolutions.ca
877 987-5185

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BiBrun
Charles,
Thanks for the insightful info. Are there any scientific papers to
back up the numbers you give? Have you been doing blind tests?

Bill

On 8/7/07, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Yes, they got it all wrong.
>
> 1. Most disturbing frequencies are around 30 kHz.
>
> 2. What are the boudaries of sensibility of electrosensible people?
> Under *harmful* it is understood, that the person shopuld drop dead
> instantly, which is not the case.
>
> Electrosensible people may react to very tiny levels of radiation.
> It is my experience, that for electrosensibles the GS readings of 50 are
> not
> sufficient.
> A reading of 35 is a level where electrosensibles can live with.
>
> 3. As I have found out after several hundreds of building biological house
>
> investigations, pulsed high frequency fields between 200 and 2000 uW/m2 (
> or
> 0.275 and 0.9 V/m) may cause electrosensibility.
> But, and that is something most *scientists* do not realize, once one has
> become electrosensible, one may react to levels of 1 uW/m2 (or 0.006 V/m).
> And those are levels, which are even hard to measure.
>
> So, electrosensibles may react to more than 50 GS units, aalthough those
> *scientists* do not understand why.
> And nobody wants to study what make electrosensibles *tick*.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Bitdefender
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[hidden email] <SArjuna%40aol.com>>
> To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Cc: <[hidden email] <rowanc%40webprophets.net.au>>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 04:39
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Stetzerizer Meter
>
> The Health Canada "study" of the GS filters is not science, and was
> done
> with the sole intention of discrediting the filters.
>
> Dr. Havas's letter to Health Canada:
>
> GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email] <mhavas%40trentu.ca>page 1/5
> Magda Havas, B.Sc., Ph.D.
> Environmental & Resource Studies
> TRENT UNIVERSITY, PETERBOROUGH, ONTARIO, CANADA, K9J 7B8
> Phone: (705) 748-1011 ext. 1232, FAX: (705) 748-1569, e-mail
> [hidden email] <mhavas%40trentu.ca>
>
> Open letter to Health Canada
> Response to: Evaluation of the Stetzer Filters1
> October 10, 2006
>
> The Honorable Tony Clement,
> Minister of Health,
> Health Canada.
> [hidden email] <clement.j%40parl.gc.ca>
>
> I raise a serious concern about a document1 written by six scientists at
> Health Canada's Consumer and
> Clinical Protection Bureau that was recently posted on the BC Centre for
> Disease Control2 web site. The
> Health Canada scientists purport to test the effectiveness of the
> Graham/Stetzer filters to reduce dirty
> electricity. This document does not appear on the Health Canada web site
> and
> has not been published in a
> peer-reviewed journal. Had it been peer reviewed it would not have been
> accepted for the obvious errors
> I mention below. This document is more concerned in protecting the
> electric
> utility than it is in protecting
> the health of Canadians. It surprises me that Health Canada would approve
> release of this document with
> so many fundamental errors.
> It is my understanding that this document has been circulated widely yet
> the
> Health Canada authors did
> not have the courtesy to send a copy of their report to the designers of
> this
> filter, Professor Martin Graham
> (UC Berkeley) and Mr. Dave Stetzer (President of Stetzer Electric).
> I ask you to look into this matter. Dave Stetzer has agreed to demonstrate
> how the filters work using appropriate equipment and I ask you to
> encourage
> your
> scientists at Health Canada to take him up on his
> offer.
> What follows is my evaluation of and response to the Health Canada
> document1.
> Sincerely,
> Magda Havas
> 1 Gajda, G., A. Thansandote, E. Lemay, D. Lecuyer, W. Gorman, and J.
> McNamee.
> 2006.
> Report on Evaluation of Stetzer Filters, Consumer and Clinical Radiation
> Protection Bureau, Health Canada.
> 2 BCCDC web site: www.bccdc.org/content.php?.item=62 NOTE: This agency
> states
> the following:
> Cell Phones: Scientific evidence to date has not presented convincing
> evidence from either animal, cellular,
> laboratory studies or epidemiology to implicate electromagnetic radiation
> exposure from portable phones as
> a cause of cancer.
> Cellular Transmitting Towers: Most research studies conducted to date have
> not shown that electromagnetic
> fields surrounding a cellular transmitter site cause cancer or other
> adverse
> health effects in the population.
> Power Frequency Electric and Magnetic Fields: Therefore the available
> scientific evidence to date does not
> support the assumption that adverse health effects from exposure to these
> fields at levels normally
> encountered in our homes, schools and offices pose a risk to human health.
> GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email] <mhavas%40trentu.ca>page 2/5
> Havas, M. 2006. Response to: Evaluation of the Stetzer Filters. Open
> letter
> to Health
> Canada, October 10, 2006.
> Many products are now available to help people who suffer from exposure to
> electromagnetic energy and
> it is right for Health Canada to take these claims seriously and to test
> the
> products to see if they do indeed
> accomplish what they claim. Obviously this is what Health Canada had in
> mind
> when they decided to test
> the GS filters. I applaud them for this but am deeply disturbed by some of
> the fundamental errors they
> made during the testing of these filters and in the flawed document they
> produced.
> Health Canada used equipment that neither had the appropriate range of
> frequencies nor had the needed
> sensitivity to test the GS filters? Health Canada inappropriately applied
> equations intended for linear
> loads to non-linear loads? Health Canada claimed that the GS filters
> produce
> dirty electricity that may be
> harmful to human health when they previously denied any harmful effects of
> dirty electricity? Health
> Canada seems more concerned about the impact these filters might have on
> the
> electricity providers rather
> than the impact dirty electricity might have on the health of Canadians,
> as
> their name implies?
> This open letter is intended to set the record straight and to offer
> Health
> Canada a demonstration
> of what the GS filters do using appropriate equipment.
> I will deal with some of the more blatant errors in the Health Canada
> document and try to keep it as
> concise and non-technical as possible so that others will see what Health
> Canada has done or failed to do.
> I understand that Dr. Don Hillman (Michigan State University) responded
> earlier this year to statements
> made in this document concerning biological effects of dirty electricity
> and
> that Dr. Martin Graham (UC
> Berkeley) plans to respond to the electrical engineering aspects based on
> the
> Health Canada study design
> and execution.
> 1. The GS filters remove dirty electricity within the frequency range of 4
>
> to
> 100 kHz (4,000 and 100,000
> cycles per second) and their ability to reduce microsurges above and below
> this range falls off
> rapidly. This was clearly stated in the Havas and Stetzer (2004) document
> cited by Health Canada.
> So why did Health Canada use equipment that covered the range of 50 Hz to
> 5
> kHz? There was an
> overlap of 1 kHz and this tested 1% of the effective frequency range of
> the
> filters. Clearly
> inappropriate instrumentation was used and hence Health Canada can make no
> claims as to whether
> or not the filters work because they were unable to test the filters
> properly. This alone makes the
> entire document worthless as a test of the effectiveness of the GS filters
>
> to
> reduce dirty electricity in
> the 4 to 100 kHz frequency range (Figure 1).
> overlap 4 to 5 kHz (1% effective range of GS filters)
> instrument used by Health Canada 50 Hz to 5 kHz
> effective range of GS filters 4 kHz to 100 kHz
> frequency (kHz)
> 10
> 20
> 30
> 40
> 50
> 60
> 70
> 80
> 90
> 100
> Figure 1. Frequency range for GS filter, frequency range for equipment
> Health
> Canada
> used to test the GS filters, overlapping frequencies.
> 0
> GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email] <mhavas%40trentu.ca>page 3/5
> 2. The dirty electricity rides on top of the 60 Hz sine wave yet Health
> Canada made no attempt to
> separate the 60 Hz cycle from the high frequencies. They could have used a
> ubiquitous filter and thus
> had more accuracy for the higher frequencies for at least 1 kHz of the
> overlap between the
> instrumentation and the filter's effective range.
> Health Canada admits their equipment did not have the appropriate
> sensitivity
> because, when the GS
> filter was plugged in, the microsurge meter measured reductions in dirty
> electricity that their
> equipment failed to detect.
> 3. Health Canada states that the filters have no effect at low frequencies
>
> in
> reducing harmonics. They
> provide evidence of this up to the 7th harmonic or 420 Hz. No one ever
> claimed the GS filters worked
> at these low frequencies. They work for the frequency range of 4,000 to
> 100,000 Hz and 420 Hz is no
> within that range. This is a red herring meant to discredit the filters by
> stating they don't work but for
> a frequency range they were not intended for. This lower frequency has
> less
> energy and is less likely
> to be as biologically active as higher frequencies (Riley 1998). See Item
> 5
> below.
> 4. Health Canada erroneously claims that low levels of dirty electricity
> have
> no biological effects, but
> they provide no documentation to support their claim.
> Studies show that people who have multiple sclerosis, type 1 and type 2
> diabetics, chronic fatigue,
> tinnitus, and symptoms of electromagnetic hypersensitivity have benefited
> when the filters were used
> to clean up their home or work environment (Havas and Stetzer 2004). We
> have
> empirical evidence
> that these filters work both in the sense of reducing dirty electricity
> and
> improving health.
> Diabetics had lower fasting glucose levels and required less insulin. Our
> studies with diabetics were
> independently replicated in Japan with similar results. According to
> Health
> Canada an estimated two
> million Canadians have diabetes and the cost of diabetes in Canada is
> estimated to be up to $9 billion
> annually. If even a small percentage of these diabetics could benefit by
> cleaning up the dirty
> electricity in their home/work/school environment, the savings in health
> care
> could be considerable.
> Multiple sclerosis patients had reduced tremors and some were able to walk
> unassisted within a few
> days to weeks after filters were installed in their homes. No other
> changes
> were made in their diet or
> medication during this period to account for these changes. We have
> video-documented evidence of
> these improvements. How does Health Canada explain this and what evidence
> do
> they have to the
> contrary to support the claims that dirty electricity is not biological
> active? According to the Multiple
> Sclerosis Society of Canada (2002) Canada has one of the highest rates of
> MS
> in the world. An
> estimated 50,000 Canadians have MS and 70% of people with MS are unable to
> work 5-10 years after
> they are diagnosed. A number of people with MS who have used the GS
> Filters
> were able to continue
> work or return to work after they reduced the dirty electricity in their
> home/work environment. Their
> improved quality of life, the reduced stress on family members, and their
> ability to remain productive
> members of society should be of enormous interest to Health Canada.
> 5. Health Canada claims that the GS filters produce dirty electricity at
> the
> low frequency range and that
> this dirty electricity may be harmful. How can they argue it both ways? At
> first they claim that the
> levels of dirty electricity are so low that they are not biologically
> active
> and then they claim that the
> filters produce low levels of dirty electricity that are harmful to
> health.
> Energy is related to frequency and the higher the frequency the greater
> the
> energy. Sixty kHz (60,000
> Hz) has 1000 times more energy than 60 Hz. Also, frequencies above 1.7 kHz
> begin to penetrate the
> body (Riley 1998). Yet Health Canada claims that the lower frequencies,
> purportedly generated by
> the GS filters, have a greater biological effect with less energy and less
> penetrating power. This is
> GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email] <mhavas%40trentu.ca>page 4/5
> contrary to logic. Dr. Don Hillman addresses this in greater detail in his
> letter to Health Canada sent
> earlier this year (2006).
> 6. Health Canada claims that the filters would increase our demand for
> electricity requiring more
> transmission facilities. The electricity provider will have additional
> transmission losses due to the
> continuous nature of this load in their distribution lines and
> transformers.
> However, if manufacturers
> of electronic equipment properly filtered their equipment and if the
> utility
> distributed clean electricity
> these filters would not be necessary.
> Poor Power Quality
> Dirty electricity is a serious utility concern. It costs industry in the
> United States between 4 and 6 billion
> dollars each year for dirty power (Fortune, June 5, 1999) and this does
> not
> include the health costs.
> Industry has long recognized this and they use large capacitors (filters)
> because they require clean
> electricity for proper functioning of their equipment. Power surges are
> costly if they stop production and
> damage equipment. Surge suppressors are used in homes and offices to
> protect
> computers and other
> sensitive equipment for the same reason.
> The IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) has long
> recognized the problems associated
> with spurious radio frequencies (RF) and the electric utilities have
> filters
> to mitigate this problem,
> although they tend not to use them as often as they should (see Ontario
> Hydro's own document, Power
> Quality Reference Guide (1998).
> According to the IEEE 519-1992, “Since most electronic equipment is
> located
> at a low voltage level of is
> associated power distribution system, it is frequently exposed to the
> effects
> of voltage notching. Voltage
> notches frequently introduce frequencies, both harmonic and nonharmonic,
> that
> are much higher than
> normally exhibited in 5 kV and higher voltage distribution systems. These
> frequencies can be in the radio
> frequency (RF) range, and as such, can introduce harmful effects
> associated
> with spurious RF (page 39).â€
> Poor power quality is a serious problem and both industry and the
> utilities
> have filters to improve power
> quality. Now a filter that plugs into an outlet and doesn't require an
> electrician has been designed for the
> home. The GS filter is a smaller version of the capacitors used by
> industry.
> The GS filter protects
> equipment from power surges and research shows that it helps people who
> are
> sensitive to this form of
> energy (Havas and Stetzer 2004). Surely the novel information here is not
> that a filter can reduce dirty
> electricity but that dirty electricity affects health. Isn't this what
> Health
> Canada should be testing?
> Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity
> People, who are genuinely suffering from what they describe as electrical
> hypersensitivity (EHS)3,
> contact me from all over North America. We have been able to help a few of
> those individuals who have
> participated in studies. Countless others have also benefited from the
> filters. They can't all be wrong. I
> encourage Health Canada to test the health claims we make in our studies
> because that is what is of
> primary importance.
> 3 The World Health Organization (2004) describes electromagnetic
> hypersensitivity (EHS) as: “ . . . a phenomenon
> where individuals experience adverse health effects while using or being
> in
> the vicinity of devices emanating electric,
> magnetic, or electromagnetic fields (EMFs). Whatever its cause, EHS is a
> real
> and sometimes a debilitating problem
> for the affected persons . . . “
> GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email] <mhavas%40trentu.ca>page 5/5
> Estimates show that 3% of the population has electrical hypersensitivity
> (EHS) and that an addition 35%
> have symptoms of EHS (Philips and Philips 2006). That range accounts for
> between 980,000 and 11
> million Canadians who may be adversely affected by electromagnetic
> pollution
> in its various forms. So
> this is potentially a very serious health concern in Canada.
> Dirty electricity is ubiquitous and getting worse because of the
> electronic
> equipment we use and because
> of the inadequacy of some of our power lines. Eventually the utility will
> have to deal with this pollutant
> and we hope it will be sooner rather than later so that fewer lives will
> be
> destroyed because of the
> insensitivity of the industry and their failure to adhere to their own
> guidelines.
> Health Canada should take a more proactive role in dealing with
> electromagnetic pollution and electrical
> hypersensitivity by informing doctors about the symptoms of EHS, testing
> the
> products that claim to
> work, establishing monitoring programs for electromagnetic pollution in
> schools and elsewhere, and
> providing Canadians with solutions through legislation to ensure that our
> environment is as clean, safe,
> and healthy as possible.
> An offer to demonstrate how the filters work
> Dave Stetzer, one of the co-inventors of the GS filter, would be willing
> to
> demonstrate to Health Canada
> how the filters work using the appropriate equipment. He makes this offer
> because it is important for
> Health Canada to be aware of the seriousness of this problem and to
> understand how the filters work,
> especially if they later decide to do some studies with human subjects.
> I look foreword to a favorable response to Dave Stetzer's offer because I
> assume that we are
> interested in the same thing--the health of Canadians.
> References
> IEEE 1992. IEEE Recommended Practices and Requirements for Harmonic
> Control
> in Electrical Power
> Systems. Sponsors: Transmission and distribution committee of the IEEE
> Power
> Engineering Society
> and Static Power Converter Committee of the IEE Industry Applications
> Society; Approved June 18,
> 1992 IEEE Standards Board; Approved January 4, 1993 American National
> Standards Institute.
> Gajda, G., A. Thansandote, E. Lemay, D. Lecuyer, W. Gorman, and J.
> McNamee.
> 2006. Report on
> Evaluation of Stetzer Filters Consumer and Clinical Radiation Protection
> Bureau, Health Canada.
> available at: www.bccdc.org/content.php?.item=62
> Havas M and Stetzer D. 2004. Dirty Electricity and Electrical
> Hypersensitivity: Five Case Studies,
> World Health Organization Workshop on Electrical Hypersensitivity, 25-26
> October, Prague, Czech
> Republic.
> Multiple Sclerosis Society of Canada. 2002. On The Path to a Cure: From
> Diagnosis to Chronic Disease
> Management Brief Submitted to the Commission on the Future of Health Care
> in
> Canada, March
> 2002, 7 pp http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca
> Ontario Hydro. 1998. Power Quality Reference Guide, 3rd Edition, Ontario
> Hydro.
> Philips A and Philips J. 2006. The Power Watch Handbook. Piatkus Books
> Ltd.,
> London. 294 pp.
> Reilly, J.P. 1998. Applied Bioelectricity. Springer-Verlag, NY, 561 pp.
> Stahlkopf, Karl. 1999. Cost of Dirty Power. Fortune, June 5, 1999.
>
> ----------
>
> On 1/30/07, Alasdair Philips < [hidden email]<alasdair%40powerwatch.org.uk>>
> wrote:
>
> That Health Canada (Gajda et al, 2006) Stezer Filter test report is
> appalling - I am surprised that Health Canada put their name to it. It is
> a
> very poor piece of work and the researchers didn't use appropriate testing
> equipment or methods of testing to actually test the Stetzer filter
> specifications. I would grade it a "fail" at final year undergraduate
> electronics project level.
>
> ----------------
>
> On 1/30/07, K Byrne < [hidden email] <kbyrne%40ca.inter.net>> wrote
> to a man who used the
> Health
> Canada study to put down Stetzer's work:
>
> I'm truly surprised how a man who claims to be an EMF expert can get
> things
> so wrong.
>
> The Stetzer filter is a capacitor, and any capacitor draws reactive
> current
> and does not increase one's electrical bills. The filter does not create
> higher frequencies either, it's designed to remove the higher frequencies
> between 4 kHz to 100 kHz - frequencies in the dangerous radio frequency (3
> kHz or greater) range. This is confirmed in the Heath Canada report you
> noted in your email. I quote from the Health Canada report: "The Stetzer
> filter is probably effective in attenuating high frequency (4 kHz to
> 100kHz)
> noise on the AC power lines..."
>
> Furthermore, in this biased piece of work Health Canada actually measured
> the wrong frequency range, measuring only the less harmful 50 Hz to 5 kHz
> frequeicies, as opposed to the higher more dangerous 4 kHz to 100 kHz
> frequencies. An overlay totaling only 1% of the filters capability. They
> also measured the input to the filter not the actual output. They didn't
> measure the actual "result" of the filtration.
>
> As far as creating a strong magnetic fields this is also wrong. Yes a GS
> filter will produce a locally increased magnetic field that drops off
> quickly with distance, but they do not produce high frequency radiation.
> During your EMF workshop last year I let you borrow a Stetzer filter and
> meter and your wife Monique conducted a demonstration that showed the
> magnetic field dropped to all the way zero only 10 inches from the filter.
> So, unless you're sitting on it I doubt it would be much of an issue.
>
> In your email you also state: "after we had mitigated in the entire house
> electromagnetic pollution levels to safe ones." Can you tell me what
> levels
> of electromagnetic pollution is "safe?" Dr. Neil Cherry state the safe
> level
> to RF is "zero".
>
> You state: "It is indeed cheaper and more health beneficial to simply
> solve
> the wiring errors." How exactly are you going to remove noise from a
> circuit
> by correcting net current problems? Is there some secret wiring technique
> you would like to share with us? Perhaps you're implying arcing is causing
> all of this high frequency noise? This is not the case, it's caused
> primarily by electronic devices that transform AC current to low-voltage
> DC
> and by things like dimmer switches and devices that have variable speed
> motors.
>
> I suggest you speak with Dave Stetzer, you need to become better informed
> on
> this important topic.
>
> Kevin Byrne
> www.EMFSolutions.ca
> 877 987-5185
>
>  
>


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charles-4
Science does not want to look into these matters.
Certainly not the governments, because, when they do, they have to pay.

In the netherlands, the government is going to spend 16.6 million Euro into
research of EMF and health, but they only want to know how to suss the
people and lulling them into the believe that there is no harm.

My numbers are from praxis, and what several institutions claim, like f.i.
the Ecolog Handbook.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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From: "Bill Bruno" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 16:29
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Charles,
Thanks for the insightful info. Are there any scientific papers to
back up the numbers you give? Have you been doing blind tests?

Bill

On 8/7/07, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Yes, they got it all wrong.
>
> 1. Most disturbing frequencies are around 30 kHz.
>
> 2. What are the boudaries of sensibility of electrosensible people?
> Under *harmful* it is understood, that the person shopuld drop dead
> instantly, which is not the case.
>
> Electrosensible people may react to very tiny levels of radiation.
> It is my experience, that for electrosensibles the GS readings of 50 are
> not
> sufficient.
> A reading of 35 is a level where electrosensibles can live with.
>
> 3. As I have found out after several hundreds of building biological house
>
> investigations, pulsed high frequency fields between 200 and 2000 uW/m2 (
> or
> 0.275 and 0.9 V/m) may cause electrosensibility.
> But, and that is something most *scientists* do not realize, once one has
> become electrosensible, one may react to levels of 1 uW/m2 (or 0.006 V/m).
> And those are levels, which are even hard to measure.
>
> So, electrosensibles may react to more than 50 GS units, aalthough those
> *scientists* do not understand why.
> And nobody wants to study what make electrosensibles *tick*.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Bitdefender
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[hidden email] <SArjuna%40aol.com>>
> To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Cc: <[hidden email] <rowanc%40webprophets.net.au>>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 04:39
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Stetzerizer Meter
>
> The Health Canada "study" of the GS filters is not science, and was
> done
> with the sole intention of discrediting the filters.
>
> Dr. Havas's letter to Health Canada:
>
> GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email]
> <mhavas%40trentu.ca>page 1/5
> Magda Havas, B.Sc., Ph.D.
> Environmental & Resource Studies
> TRENT UNIVERSITY, PETERBOROUGH, ONTARIO, CANADA, K9J 7B8
> Phone: (705) 748-1011 ext. 1232, FAX: (705) 748-1569, e-mail
> [hidden email] <mhavas%40trentu.ca>
>
> Open letter to Health Canada
> Response to: Evaluation of the Stetzer Filters1
> October 10, 2006
>
> The Honorable Tony Clement,
> Minister of Health,
> Health Canada.
> [hidden email] <clement.j%40parl.gc.ca>
>
> I raise a serious concern about a document1 written by six scientists at
> Health Canada's Consumer and
> Clinical Protection Bureau that was recently posted on the BC Centre for
> Disease Control2 web site. The
> Health Canada scientists purport to test the effectiveness of the
> Graham/Stetzer filters to reduce dirty
> electricity. This document does not appear on the Health Canada web site
> and
> has not been published in a
> peer-reviewed journal. Had it been peer reviewed it would not have been
> accepted for the obvious errors
> I mention below. This document is more concerned in protecting the
> electric
> utility than it is in protecting
> the health of Canadians. It surprises me that Health Canada would approve
> release of this document with
> so many fundamental errors.
> It is my understanding that this document has been circulated widely yet
> the
> Health Canada authors did
> not have the courtesy to send a copy of their report to the designers of
> this
> filter, Professor Martin Graham
> (UC Berkeley) and Mr. Dave Stetzer (President of Stetzer Electric).
> I ask you to look into this matter. Dave Stetzer has agreed to demonstrate
> how the filters work using appropriate equipment and I ask you to
> encourage
> your
> scientists at Health Canada to take him up on his
> offer.
> What follows is my evaluation of and response to the Health Canada
> document1.
> Sincerely,
> Magda Havas
> 1 Gajda, G., A. Thansandote, E. Lemay, D. Lecuyer, W. Gorman, and J.
> McNamee.
> 2006.
> Report on Evaluation of Stetzer Filters, Consumer and Clinical Radiation
> Protection Bureau, Health Canada.
> 2 BCCDC web site: www.bccdc.org/content.php?.item=62 NOTE: This agency
> states
> the following:
> Cell Phones: Scientific evidence to date has not presented convincing
> evidence from either animal, cellular,
> laboratory studies or epidemiology to implicate electromagnetic radiation
> exposure from portable phones as
> a cause of cancer.
> Cellular Transmitting Towers: Most research studies conducted to date have
> not shown that electromagnetic
> fields surrounding a cellular transmitter site cause cancer or other
> adverse
> health effects in the population.
> Power Frequency Electric and Magnetic Fields: Therefore the available
> scientific evidence to date does not
> support the assumption that adverse health effects from exposure to these
> fields at levels normally
> encountered in our homes, schools and offices pose a risk to human health.
> GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email]
> <mhavas%40trentu.ca>page 2/5
> Havas, M. 2006. Response to: Evaluation of the Stetzer Filters. Open
> letter
> to Health
> Canada, October 10, 2006.
> Many products are now available to help people who suffer from exposure to
> electromagnetic energy and
> it is right for Health Canada to take these claims seriously and to test
> the
> products to see if they do indeed
> accomplish what they claim. Obviously this is what Health Canada had in
> mind
> when they decided to test
> the GS filters. I applaud them for this but am deeply disturbed by some of
> the fundamental errors they
> made during the testing of these filters and in the flawed document they
> produced.
> Health Canada used equipment that neither had the appropriate range of
> frequencies nor had the needed
> sensitivity to test the GS filters? Health Canada inappropriately applied
> equations intended for linear
> loads to non-linear loads? Health Canada claimed that the GS filters
> produce
> dirty electricity that may be
> harmful to human health when they previously denied any harmful effects of
> dirty electricity? Health
> Canada seems more concerned about the impact these filters might have on
> the
> electricity providers rather
> than the impact dirty electricity might have on the health of Canadians,
> as
> their name implies?
> This open letter is intended to set the record straight and to offer
> Health
> Canada a demonstration
> of what the GS filters do using appropriate equipment.
> I will deal with some of the more blatant errors in the Health Canada
> document and try to keep it as
> concise and non-technical as possible so that others will see what Health
> Canada has done or failed to do.
> I understand that Dr. Don Hillman (Michigan State University) responded
> earlier this year to statements
> made in this document concerning biological effects of dirty electricity
> and
> that Dr. Martin Graham (UC
> Berkeley) plans to respond to the electrical engineering aspects based on
> the
> Health Canada study design
> and execution.
> 1. The GS filters remove dirty electricity within the frequency range of 4
>
> to
> 100 kHz (4,000 and 100,000
> cycles per second) and their ability to reduce microsurges above and below
> this range falls off
> rapidly. This was clearly stated in the Havas and Stetzer (2004) document
> cited by Health Canada.
> So why did Health Canada use equipment that covered the range of 50 Hz to
> 5
> kHz? There was an
> overlap of 1 kHz and this tested 1% of the effective frequency range of
> the
> filters. Clearly
> inappropriate instrumentation was used and hence Health Canada can make no
> claims as to whether
> or not the filters work because they were unable to test the filters
> properly. This alone makes the
> entire document worthless as a test of the effectiveness of the GS filters
>
> to
> reduce dirty electricity in
> the 4 to 100 kHz frequency range (Figure 1).
> overlap 4 to 5 kHz (1% effective range of GS filters)
> instrument used by Health Canada 50 Hz to 5 kHz
> effective range of GS filters 4 kHz to 100 kHz
> frequency (kHz)
> 10
> 20
> 30
> 40
> 50
> 60
> 70
> 80
> 90
> 100
> Figure 1. Frequency range for GS filter, frequency range for equipment
> Health
> Canada
> used to test the GS filters, overlapping frequencies.
> 0
> GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email]
> <mhavas%40trentu.ca>page 3/5
> 2. The dirty electricity rides on top of the 60 Hz sine wave yet Health
> Canada made no attempt to
> separate the 60 Hz cycle from the high frequencies. They could have used a
> ubiquitous filter and thus
> had more accuracy for the higher frequencies for at least 1 kHz of the
> overlap between the
> instrumentation and the filter's effective range.
> Health Canada admits their equipment did not have the appropriate
> sensitivity
> because, when the GS
> filter was plugged in, the microsurge meter measured reductions in dirty
> electricity that their
> equipment failed to detect.
> 3. Health Canada states that the filters have no effect at low frequencies
>
> in
> reducing harmonics. They
> provide evidence of this up to the 7th harmonic or 420 Hz. No one ever
> claimed the GS filters worked
> at these low frequencies. They work for the frequency range of 4,000 to
> 100,000 Hz and 420 Hz is no
> within that range. This is a red herring meant to discredit the filters by
> stating they don't work but for
> a frequency range they were not intended for. This lower frequency has
> less
> energy and is less likely
> to be as biologically active as higher frequencies (Riley 1998). See Item
> 5
> below.
> 4. Health Canada erroneously claims that low levels of dirty electricity
> have
> no biological effects, but
> they provide no documentation to support their claim.
> Studies show that people who have multiple sclerosis, type 1 and type 2
> diabetics, chronic fatigue,
> tinnitus, and symptoms of electromagnetic hypersensitivity have benefited
> when the filters were used
> to clean up their home or work environment (Havas and Stetzer 2004). We
> have
> empirical evidence
> that these filters work both in the sense of reducing dirty electricity
> and
> improving health.
> Diabetics had lower fasting glucose levels and required less insulin. Our
> studies with diabetics were
> independently replicated in Japan with similar results. According to
> Health
> Canada an estimated two
> million Canadians have diabetes and the cost of diabetes in Canada is
> estimated to be up to $9 billion
> annually. If even a small percentage of these diabetics could benefit by
> cleaning up the dirty
> electricity in their home/work/school environment, the savings in health
> care
> could be considerable.
> Multiple sclerosis patients had reduced tremors and some were able to walk
> unassisted within a few
> days to weeks after filters were installed in their homes. No other
> changes
> were made in their diet or
> medication during this period to account for these changes. We have
> video-documented evidence of
> these improvements. How does Health Canada explain this and what evidence
> do
> they have to the
> contrary to support the claims that dirty electricity is not biological
> active? According to the Multiple
> Sclerosis Society of Canada (2002) Canada has one of the highest rates of
> MS
> in the world. An
> estimated 50,000 Canadians have MS and 70% of people with MS are unable to
> work 5-10 years after
> they are diagnosed. A number of people with MS who have used the GS
> Filters
> were able to continue
> work or return to work after they reduced the dirty electricity in their
> home/work environment. Their
> improved quality of life, the reduced stress on family members, and their
> ability to remain productive
> members of society should be of enormous interest to Health Canada.
> 5. Health Canada claims that the GS filters produce dirty electricity at
> the
> low frequency range and that
> this dirty electricity may be harmful. How can they argue it both ways? At
> first they claim that the
> levels of dirty electricity are so low that they are not biologically
> active
> and then they claim that the
> filters produce low levels of dirty electricity that are harmful to
> health.
> Energy is related to frequency and the higher the frequency the greater
> the
> energy. Sixty kHz (60,000
> Hz) has 1000 times more energy than 60 Hz. Also, frequencies above 1.7 kHz
> begin to penetrate the
> body (Riley 1998). Yet Health Canada claims that the lower frequencies,
> purportedly generated by
> the GS filters, have a greater biological effect with less energy and less
> penetrating power. This is
> GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email]
> <mhavas%40trentu.ca>page 4/5
> contrary to logic. Dr. Don Hillman addresses this in greater detail in his
> letter to Health Canada sent
> earlier this year (2006).
> 6. Health Canada claims that the filters would increase our demand for
> electricity requiring more
> transmission facilities. The electricity provider will have additional
> transmission losses due to the
> continuous nature of this load in their distribution lines and
> transformers.
> However, if manufacturers
> of electronic equipment properly filtered their equipment and if the
> utility
> distributed clean electricity
> these filters would not be necessary.
> Poor Power Quality
> Dirty electricity is a serious utility concern. It costs industry in the
> United States between 4 and 6 billion
> dollars each year for dirty power (Fortune, June 5, 1999) and this does
> not
> include the health costs.
> Industry has long recognized this and they use large capacitors (filters)
> because they require clean
> electricity for proper functioning of their equipment. Power surges are
> costly if they stop production and
> damage equipment. Surge suppressors are used in homes and offices to
> protect
> computers and other
> sensitive equipment for the same reason.
> The IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) has long
> recognized the problems associated
> with spurious radio frequencies (RF) and the electric utilities have
> filters
> to mitigate this problem,
> although they tend not to use them as often as they should (see Ontario
> Hydro's own document, Power
> Quality Reference Guide (1998).
> According to the IEEE 519-1992, “Since most electronic equipment is
> located
> at a low voltage level of is
> associated power distribution system, it is frequently exposed to the
> effects
> of voltage notching. Voltage
> notches frequently introduce frequencies, both harmonic and nonharmonic,
> that
> are much higher than
> normally exhibited in 5 kV and higher voltage distribution systems. These
> frequencies can be in the radio
> frequency (RF) range, and as such, can introduce harmful effects
> associated
> with spurious RF (page 39).â€
> Poor power quality is a serious problem and both industry and the
> utilities
> have filters to improve power
> quality. Now a filter that plugs into an outlet and doesn't require an
> electrician has been designed for the
> home. The GS filter is a smaller version of the capacitors used by
> industry.
> The GS filter protects
> equipment from power surges and research shows that it helps people who
> are
> sensitive to this form of
> energy (Havas and Stetzer 2004). Surely the novel information here is not
> that a filter can reduce dirty
> electricity but that dirty electricity affects health. Isn't this what
> Health
> Canada should be testing?
> Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity
> People, who are genuinely suffering from what they describe as electrical
> hypersensitivity (EHS)3,
> contact me from all over North America. We have been able to help a few of
> those individuals who have
> participated in studies. Countless others have also benefited from the
> filters. They can't all be wrong. I
> encourage Health Canada to test the health claims we make in our studies
> because that is what is of
> primary importance.
> 3 The World Health Organization (2004) describes electromagnetic
> hypersensitivity (EHS) as: “ . . . a phenomenon
> where individuals experience adverse health effects while using or being
> in
> the vicinity of devices emanating electric,
> magnetic, or electromagnetic fields (EMFs). Whatever its cause, EHS is a
> real
> and sometimes a debilitating problem
> for the affected persons . . . “
> GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email]
> <mhavas%40trentu.ca>page 5/5
> Estimates show that 3% of the population has electrical hypersensitivity
> (EHS) and that an addition 35%
> have symptoms of EHS (Philips and Philips 2006). That range accounts for
> between 980,000 and 11
> million Canadians who may be adversely affected by electromagnetic
> pollution
> in its various forms. So
> this is potentially a very serious health concern in Canada.
> Dirty electricity is ubiquitous and getting worse because of the
> electronic
> equipment we use and because
> of the inadequacy of some of our power lines. Eventually the utility will
> have to deal with this pollutant
> and we hope it will be sooner rather than later so that fewer lives will
> be
> destroyed because of the
> insensitivity of the industry and their failure to adhere to their own
> guidelines.
> Health Canada should take a more proactive role in dealing with
> electromagnetic pollution and electrical
> hypersensitivity by informing doctors about the symptoms of EHS, testing
> the
> products that claim to
> work, establishing monitoring programs for electromagnetic pollution in
> schools and elsewhere, and
> providing Canadians with solutions through legislation to ensure that our
> environment is as clean, safe,
> and healthy as possible.
> An offer to demonstrate how the filters work
> Dave Stetzer, one of the co-inventors of the GS filter, would be willing
> to
> demonstrate to Health Canada
> how the filters work using the appropriate equipment. He makes this offer
> because it is important for
> Health Canada to be aware of the seriousness of this problem and to
> understand how the filters work,
> especially if they later decide to do some studies with human subjects.
> I look foreword to a favorable response to Dave Stetzer's offer because I
> assume that we are
> interested in the same thing--the health of Canadians.
> References
> IEEE 1992. IEEE Recommended Practices and Requirements for Harmonic
> Control
> in Electrical Power
> Systems. Sponsors: Transmission and distribution committee of the IEEE
> Power
> Engineering Society
> and Static Power Converter Committee of the IEE Industry Applications
> Society; Approved June 18,
> 1992 IEEE Standards Board; Approved January 4, 1993 American National
> Standards Institute.
> Gajda, G., A. Thansandote, E. Lemay, D. Lecuyer, W. Gorman, and J.
> McNamee.
> 2006. Report on
> Evaluation of Stetzer Filters Consumer and Clinical Radiation Protection
> Bureau, Health Canada.
> available at: www.bccdc.org/content.php?.item=62
> Havas M and Stetzer D. 2004. Dirty Electricity and Electrical
> Hypersensitivity: Five Case Studies,
> World Health Organization Workshop on Electrical Hypersensitivity, 25-26
> October, Prague, Czech
> Republic.
> Multiple Sclerosis Society of Canada. 2002. On The Path to a Cure: From
> Diagnosis to Chronic Disease
> Management Brief Submitted to the Commission on the Future of Health Care
> in
> Canada, March
> 2002, 7 pp http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca
> Ontario Hydro. 1998. Power Quality Reference Guide, 3rd Edition, Ontario
> Hydro.
> Philips A and Philips J. 2006. The Power Watch Handbook. Piatkus Books
> Ltd.,
> London. 294 pp.
> Reilly, J.P. 1998. Applied Bioelectricity. Springer-Verlag, NY, 561 pp.
> Stahlkopf, Karl. 1999. Cost of Dirty Power. Fortune, June 5, 1999.
>
> ----------
>
> On 1/30/07, Alasdair Philips <
> [hidden email]<alasdair%40powerwatch.org.uk>>
> wrote:
>
> That Health Canada (Gajda et al, 2006) Stezer Filter test report is
> appalling - I am surprised that Health Canada put their name to it. It is
> a
> very poor piece of work and the researchers didn't use appropriate testing
> equipment or methods of testing to actually test the Stetzer filter
> specifications. I would grade it a "fail" at final year undergraduate
> electronics project level.
>
> ----------------
>
> On 1/30/07, K Byrne < [hidden email] <kbyrne%40ca.inter.net>> wrote
> to a man who used the
> Health
> Canada study to put down Stetzer's work:
>
> I'm truly surprised how a man who claims to be an EMF expert can get
> things
> so wrong.
>
> The Stetzer filter is a capacitor, and any capacitor draws reactive
> current
> and does not increase one's electrical bills. The filter does not create
> higher frequencies either, it's designed to remove the higher frequencies
> between 4 kHz to 100 kHz - frequencies in the dangerous radio frequency (3
> kHz or greater) range. This is confirmed in the Heath Canada report you
> noted in your email. I quote from the Health Canada report: "The Stetzer
> filter is probably effective in attenuating high frequency (4 kHz to
> 100kHz)
> noise on the AC power lines..."
>
> Furthermore, in this biased piece of work Health Canada actually measured
> the wrong frequency range, measuring only the less harmful 50 Hz to 5 kHz
> frequeicies, as opposed to the higher more dangerous 4 kHz to 100 kHz
> frequencies. An overlay totaling only 1% of the filters capability. They
> also measured the input to the filter not the actual output. They didn't
> measure the actual "result" of the filtration.
>
> As far as creating a strong magnetic fields this is also wrong. Yes a GS
> filter will produce a locally increased magnetic field that drops off
> quickly with distance, but they do not produce high frequency radiation.
> During your EMF workshop last year I let you borrow a Stetzer filter and
> meter and your wife Monique conducted a demonstration that showed the
> magnetic field dropped to all the way zero only 10 inches from the filter.
> So, unless you're sitting on it I doubt it would be much of an issue.
>
> In your email you also state: "after we had mitigated in the entire house
> electromagnetic pollution levels to safe ones." Can you tell me what
> levels
> of electromagnetic pollution is "safe?" Dr. Neil Cherry state the safe
> level
> to RF is "zero".
>
> You state: "It is indeed cheaper and more health beneficial to simply
> solve
> the wiring errors." How exactly are you going to remove noise from a
> circuit
> by correcting net current problems? Is there some secret wiring technique
> you would like to share with us? Perhaps you're implying arcing is causing
> all of this high frequency noise? This is not the case, it's caused
> primarily by electronic devices that transform AC current to low-voltage
> DC
> and by things like dimmer switches and devices that have variable speed
> motors.
>
> I suggest you speak with Dave Stetzer, you need to become better informed
> on
> this important topic.
>
> Kevin Byrne
> www.EMFSolutions.ca
> 877 987-5185
>
>
>


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BiBrun
I heard about the Netherlands EMF money. I think they have some real
concerns or they would not be spending that much, but I'm sure they're
going to be pretty conservative in what they fund.

I noticed that their webpage says they have some money set aside
for international collaborations. I happen to know a Dutch computational
biologist; I tried to get him interested but he said it was too far from
his expertise. But it sounds like it is right in yours.

I don't know if he (Martijn Huynen) would be more interested if you
were involved, or if you would be interested in trying to do something
with me (unclear what exactly). Probably they are expecting people
with university appointments, etc. If you don't have that I think
it's not a problem as long as we can find someone at a Dutch university
or research lab to also be involved.

I do have some ideas on experiments that could show conclusively
the kind of stuff you already know. The numbers you give are
extremely valuable, especially if they can be reproduced elsewhere.

Ideally a spectrum analyzer should be used as well.

I hope I can interest you in trying for some money although I can't
even promise that my employer will allow it (but I think they will,
if they have not fired me for other reasons). Please let me know.

Bill

On 8/7/07, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Science does not want to look into these matters.
> Certainly not the governments, because, when they do, they have to pay.
>
> In the netherlands, the government is going to spend 16.6 million Euro
> into
> research of EMF and health, but they only want to know how to suss the
> people and lulling them into the believe that there is no harm.
>
> My numbers are from praxis, and what several institutions claim, like f.i.
> the Ecolog Handbook.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
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>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Bruno" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 16:29
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Stetzerizer Meter
>
>
> Charles,
> Thanks for the insightful info. Are there any scientific papers to
> back up the numbers you give? Have you been doing blind tests?
>
> Bill
>
> On 8/7/07, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, they got it all wrong.
> >
> > 1. Most disturbing frequencies are around 30 kHz.
> >
> > 2. What are the boudaries of sensibility of electrosensible people?
> > Under *harmful* it is understood, that the person shopuld drop dead
> > instantly, which is not the case.
> >
> > Electrosensible people may react to very tiny levels of radiation.
> > It is my experience, that for electrosensibles the GS readings of 50 are
> > not
> > sufficient.
> > A reading of 35 is a level where electrosensibles can live with.
> >
> > 3. As I have found out after several hundreds of building biological
> house
> >
> > investigations, pulsed high frequency fields between 200 and 2000 uW/m2
> (
> > or
> > 0.275 and 0.9 V/m) may cause electrosensibility.
> > But, and that is something most *scientists* do not realize, once one
> has
> > become electrosensible, one may react to levels of 1 uW/m2 (or 0.006V/m).
> > And those are levels, which are even hard to measure.
> >
> > So, electrosensibles may react to more than 50 GS units, aalthough those
> > *scientists* do not understand why.
> > And nobody wants to study what make electrosensibles *tick*.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Bitdefender
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <[hidden email] <SArjuna%40aol.com>>
> > To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Cc: <[hidden email] <rowanc%40webprophets.net.au>>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 04:39
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Stetzerizer Meter
> >
> > The Health Canada "study" of the GS filters is not science, and was
> > done
> > with the sole intention of discrediting the filters.
> >
> > Dr. Havas's letter to Health Canada:
> >
> > GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email]
> > <mhavas%40trentu.ca>page 1/5
> > Magda Havas, B.Sc., Ph.D.
> > Environmental & Resource Studies
> > TRENT UNIVERSITY, PETERBOROUGH, ONTARIO, CANADA, K9J 7B8
> > Phone: (705) 748-1011 ext. 1232, FAX: (705) 748-1569, e-mail
> > [hidden email] <mhavas%40trentu.ca>
> >
> > Open letter to Health Canada
> > Response to: Evaluation of the Stetzer Filters1
> > October 10, 2006
> >
> > The Honorable Tony Clement,
> > Minister of Health,
> > Health Canada.
> > [hidden email] <clement.j%40parl.gc.ca>
> >
> > I raise a serious concern about a document1 written by six scientists at
> > Health Canada's Consumer and
> > Clinical Protection Bureau that was recently posted on the BC Centre for
> > Disease Control2 web site. The
> > Health Canada scientists purport to test the effectiveness of the
> > Graham/Stetzer filters to reduce dirty
> > electricity. This document does not appear on the Health Canada web site
> > and
> > has not been published in a
> > peer-reviewed journal. Had it been peer reviewed it would not have been
> > accepted for the obvious errors
> > I mention below. This document is more concerned in protecting the
> > electric
> > utility than it is in protecting
> > the health of Canadians. It surprises me that Health Canada would
> approve
> > release of this document with
> > so many fundamental errors.
> > It is my understanding that this document has been circulated widely yet
> > the
> > Health Canada authors did
> > not have the courtesy to send a copy of their report to the designers of
> > this
> > filter, Professor Martin Graham
> > (UC Berkeley) and Mr. Dave Stetzer (President of Stetzer Electric).
> > I ask you to look into this matter. Dave Stetzer has agreed to
> demonstrate
> > how the filters work using appropriate equipment and I ask you to
> > encourage
> > your
> > scientists at Health Canada to take him up on his
> > offer.
> > What follows is my evaluation of and response to the Health Canada
> > document1.
> > Sincerely,
> > Magda Havas
> > 1 Gajda, G., A. Thansandote, E. Lemay, D. Lecuyer, W. Gorman, and J.
> > McNamee.
> > 2006.
> > Report on Evaluation of Stetzer Filters, Consumer and Clinical Radiation
> > Protection Bureau, Health Canada.
> > 2 BCCDC web site: www.bccdc.org/content.php?.item=62 NOTE: This agency
> > states
> > the following:
> > Cell Phones: Scientific evidence to date has not presented convincing
> > evidence from either animal, cellular,
> > laboratory studies or epidemiology to implicate electromagnetic
> radiation
> > exposure from portable phones as
> > a cause of cancer.
> > Cellular Transmitting Towers: Most research studies conducted to date
> have
> > not shown that electromagnetic
> > fields surrounding a cellular transmitter site cause cancer or other
> > adverse
> > health effects in the population.
> > Power Frequency Electric and Magnetic Fields: Therefore the available
> > scientific evidence to date does not
> > support the assumption that adverse health effects from exposure to
> these
> > fields at levels normally
> > encountered in our homes, schools and offices pose a risk to human
> health.
> > GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email]
> > <mhavas%40trentu.ca>page 2/5
> > Havas, M. 2006. Response to: Evaluation of the Stetzer Filters. Open
> > letter
> > to Health
> > Canada, October 10, 2006.
> > Many products are now available to help people who suffer from exposure
> to
> > electromagnetic energy and
> > it is right for Health Canada to take these claims seriously and to test
> > the
> > products to see if they do indeed
> > accomplish what they claim. Obviously this is what Health Canada had in
> > mind
> > when they decided to test
> > the GS filters. I applaud them for this but am deeply disturbed by some
> of
> > the fundamental errors they
> > made during the testing of these filters and in the flawed document they
> > produced.
> > Health Canada used equipment that neither had the appropriate range of
> > frequencies nor had the needed
> > sensitivity to test the GS filters? Health Canada inappropriately
> applied
> > equations intended for linear
> > loads to non-linear loads? Health Canada claimed that the GS filters
> > produce
> > dirty electricity that may be
> > harmful to human health when they previously denied any harmful effects
> of
> > dirty electricity? Health
> > Canada seems more concerned about the impact these filters might have on
> > the
> > electricity providers rather
> > than the impact dirty electricity might have on the health of Canadians,
> > as
> > their name implies?
> > This open letter is intended to set the record straight and to offer
> > Health
> > Canada a demonstration
> > of what the GS filters do using appropriate equipment.
> > I will deal with some of the more blatant errors in the Health Canada
> > document and try to keep it as
> > concise and non-technical as possible so that others will see what
> Health
> > Canada has done or failed to do.
> > I understand that Dr. Don Hillman (Michigan State University) responded
> > earlier this year to statements
> > made in this document concerning biological effects of dirty electricity
> > and
> > that Dr. Martin Graham (UC
> > Berkeley) plans to respond to the electrical engineering aspects based
> on
> > the
> > Health Canada study design
> > and execution.
> > 1. The GS filters remove dirty electricity within the frequency range of
> 4
> >
> > to
> > 100 kHz (4,000 and 100,000
> > cycles per second) and their ability to reduce microsurges above and
> below
> > this range falls off
> > rapidly. This was clearly stated in the Havas and Stetzer (2004)
> document
> > cited by Health Canada.
> > So why did Health Canada use equipment that covered the range of 50 Hz
> to
> > 5
> > kHz? There was an
> > overlap of 1 kHz and this tested 1% of the effective frequency range of
> > the
> > filters. Clearly
> > inappropriate instrumentation was used and hence Health Canada can make
> no
> > claims as to whether
> > or not the filters work because they were unable to test the filters
> > properly. This alone makes the
> > entire document worthless as a test of the effectiveness of the GS
> filters
> >
> > to
> > reduce dirty electricity in
> > the 4 to 100 kHz frequency range (Figure 1).
> > overlap 4 to 5 kHz (1% effective range of GS filters)
> > instrument used by Health Canada 50 Hz to 5 kHz
> > effective range of GS filters 4 kHz to 100 kHz
> > frequency (kHz)
> > 10
> > 20
> > 30
> > 40
> > 50
> > 60
> > 70
> > 80
> > 90
> > 100
> > Figure 1. Frequency range for GS filter, frequency range for equipment
> > Health
> > Canada
> > used to test the GS filters, overlapping frequencies.
> > 0
> > GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email]
> > <mhavas%40trentu.ca>page 3/5
> > 2. The dirty electricity rides on top of the 60 Hz sine wave yet Health
> > Canada made no attempt to
> > separate the 60 Hz cycle from the high frequencies. They could have used
> a
> > ubiquitous filter and thus
> > had more accuracy for the higher frequencies for at least 1 kHz of the
> > overlap between the
> > instrumentation and the filter's effective range.
> > Health Canada admits their equipment did not have the appropriate
> > sensitivity
> > because, when the GS
> > filter was plugged in, the microsurge meter measured reductions in dirty
> > electricity that their
> > equipment failed to detect.
> > 3. Health Canada states that the filters have no effect at low
> frequencies
> >
> > in
> > reducing harmonics. They
> > provide evidence of this up to the 7th harmonic or 420 Hz. No one ever
> > claimed the GS filters worked
> > at these low frequencies. They work for the frequency range of 4,000 to
> > 100,000 Hz and 420 Hz is no
> > within that range. This is a red herring meant to discredit the filters
> by
> > stating they don't work but for
> > a frequency range they were not intended for. This lower frequency has
> > less
> > energy and is less likely
> > to be as biologically active as higher frequencies (Riley 1998). See
> Item
> > 5
> > below.
> > 4. Health Canada erroneously claims that low levels of dirty electricity
> > have
> > no biological effects, but
> > they provide no documentation to support their claim.
> > Studies show that people who have multiple sclerosis, type 1 and type 2
> > diabetics, chronic fatigue,
> > tinnitus, and symptoms of electromagnetic hypersensitivity have
> benefited
> > when the filters were used
> > to clean up their home or work environment (Havas and Stetzer 2004). We
> > have
> > empirical evidence
> > that these filters work both in the sense of reducing dirty electricity
> > and
> > improving health.
> > Diabetics had lower fasting glucose levels and required less insulin.
> Our
> > studies with diabetics were
> > independently replicated in Japan with similar results. According to
> > Health
> > Canada an estimated two
> > million Canadians have diabetes and the cost of diabetes in Canada is
> > estimated to be up to $9 billion
> > annually. If even a small percentage of these diabetics could benefit by
> > cleaning up the dirty
> > electricity in their home/work/school environment, the savings in health
> > care
> > could be considerable.
> > Multiple sclerosis patients had reduced tremors and some were able to
> walk
> > unassisted within a few
> > days to weeks after filters were installed in their homes. No other
> > changes
> > were made in their diet or
> > medication during this period to account for these changes. We have
> > video-documented evidence of
> > these improvements. How does Health Canada explain this and what
> evidence
> > do
> > they have to the
> > contrary to support the claims that dirty electricity is not biological
> > active? According to the Multiple
> > Sclerosis Society of Canada (2002) Canada has one of the highest rates
> of
> > MS
> > in the world. An
> > estimated 50,000 Canadians have MS and 70% of people with MS are unable
> to
> > work 5-10 years after
> > they are diagnosed. A number of people with MS who have used the GS
> > Filters
> > were able to continue
> > work or return to work after they reduced the dirty electricity in their
> > home/work environment. Their
> > improved quality of life, the reduced stress on family members, and
> their
> > ability to remain productive
> > members of society should be of enormous interest to Health Canada.
> > 5. Health Canada claims that the GS filters produce dirty electricity at
> > the
> > low frequency range and that
> > this dirty electricity may be harmful. How can they argue it both ways?
> At
> > first they claim that the
> > levels of dirty electricity are so low that they are not biologically
> > active
> > and then they claim that the
> > filters produce low levels of dirty electricity that are harmful to
> > health.
> > Energy is related to frequency and the higher the frequency the greater
> > the
> > energy. Sixty kHz (60,000
> > Hz) has 1000 times more energy than 60 Hz. Also, frequencies above 1.7kHz
> > begin to penetrate the
> > body (Riley 1998). Yet Health Canada claims that the lower frequencies,
> > purportedly generated by
> > the GS filters, have a greater biological effect with less energy and
> less
> > penetrating power. This is
> > GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email]
> > <mhavas%40trentu.ca>page 4/5
> > contrary to logic. Dr. Don Hillman addresses this in greater detail in
> his
> > letter to Health Canada sent
> > earlier this year (2006).
> > 6. Health Canada claims that the filters would increase our demand for
> > electricity requiring more
> > transmission facilities. The electricity provider will have additional
> > transmission losses due to the
> > continuous nature of this load in their distribution lines and
> > transformers.
> > However, if manufacturers
> > of electronic equipment properly filtered their equipment and if the
> > utility
> > distributed clean electricity
> > these filters would not be necessary.
> > Poor Power Quality
> > Dirty electricity is a serious utility concern. It costs industry in the
> > United States between 4 and 6 billion
> > dollars each year for dirty power (Fortune, June 5, 1999) and this does
> > not
> > include the health costs.
> > Industry has long recognized this and they use large capacitors
> (filters)
> > because they require clean
> > electricity for proper functioning of their equipment. Power surges are
> > costly if they stop production and
> > damage equipment. Surge suppressors are used in homes and offices to
> > protect
> > computers and other
> > sensitive equipment for the same reason.
> > The IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) has long
> > recognized the problems associated
> > with spurious radio frequencies (RF) and the electric utilities have
> > filters
> > to mitigate this problem,
> > although they tend not to use them as often as they should (see Ontario
> > Hydro's own document, Power
> > Quality Reference Guide (1998).
> > According to the IEEE 519-1992, “Since most electronic equipment is
> > located
> > at a low voltage level of is
> > associated power distribution system, it is frequently exposed to the
> > effects
> > of voltage notching. Voltage
> > notches frequently introduce frequencies, both harmonic and nonharmonic,
> > that
> > are much higher than
> > normally exhibited in 5 kV and higher voltage distribution systems.
> These
> > frequencies can be in the radio
> > frequency (RF) range, and as such, can introduce harmful effects
> > associated
> > with spurious RF (page 39).â€
> > Poor power quality is a serious problem and both industry and the
> > utilities
> > have filters to improve power
> > quality. Now a filter that plugs into an outlet and doesn't require an
> > electrician has been designed for the
> > home. The GS filter is a smaller version of the capacitors used by
> > industry.
> > The GS filter protects
> > equipment from power surges and research shows that it helps people who
> > are
> > sensitive to this form of
> > energy (Havas and Stetzer 2004). Surely the novel information here is
> not
> > that a filter can reduce dirty
> > electricity but that dirty electricity affects health. Isn't this what
> > Health
> > Canada should be testing?
> > Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity
> > People, who are genuinely suffering from what they describe as
> electrical
> > hypersensitivity (EHS)3,
> > contact me from all over North America. We have been able to help a few
> of
> > those individuals who have
> > participated in studies. Countless others have also benefited from the
> > filters. They can't all be wrong. I
> > encourage Health Canada to test the health claims we make in our studies
> > because that is what is of
> > primary importance.
> > 3 The World Health Organization (2004) describes electromagnetic
> > hypersensitivity (EHS) as: “ . . . a phenomenon
> > where individuals experience adverse health effects while using or being
> > in
> > the vicinity of devices emanating electric,
> > magnetic, or electromagnetic fields (EMFs). Whatever its cause, EHS is a
> > real
> > and sometimes a debilitating problem
> > for the affected persons . . . “
> > GS Filters/Health Canada, Oct. 2006 [hidden email]
> > <mhavas%40trentu.ca>page 5/5
> > Estimates show that 3% of the population has electrical hypersensitivity
> > (EHS) and that an addition 35%
> > have symptoms of EHS (Philips and Philips 2006). That range accounts for
> > between 980,000 and 11
> > million Canadians who may be adversely affected by electromagnetic
> > pollution
> > in its various forms. So
> > this is potentially a very serious health concern in Canada.
> > Dirty electricity is ubiquitous and getting worse because of the
> > electronic
> > equipment we use and because
> > of the inadequacy of some of our power lines. Eventually the utility
> will
> > have to deal with this pollutant
> > and we hope it will be sooner rather than later so that fewer lives will
> > be
> > destroyed because of the
> > insensitivity of the industry and their failure to adhere to their own
> > guidelines.
> > Health Canada should take a more proactive role in dealing with
> > electromagnetic pollution and electrical
> > hypersensitivity by informing doctors about the symptoms of EHS, testing
> > the
> > products that claim to
> > work, establishing monitoring programs for electromagnetic pollution in
> > schools and elsewhere, and
> > providing Canadians with solutions through legislation to ensure that
> our
> > environment is as clean, safe,
> > and healthy as possible.
> > An offer to demonstrate how the filters work
> > Dave Stetzer, one of the co-inventors of the GS filter, would be willing
> > to
> > demonstrate to Health Canada
> > how the filters work using the appropriate equipment. He makes this
> offer
> > because it is important for
> > Health Canada to be aware of the seriousness of this problem and to
> > understand how the filters work,
> > especially if they later decide to do some studies with human subjects.
> > I look foreword to a favorable response to Dave Stetzer's offer because
> I
> > assume that we are
> > interested in the same thing--the health of Canadians.
> > References
> > IEEE 1992. IEEE Recommended Practices and Requirements for Harmonic
> > Control
> > in Electrical Power
> > Systems. Sponsors: Transmission and distribution committee of the IEEE
> > Power
> > Engineering Society
> > and Static Power Converter Committee of the IEE Industry Applications
> > Society; Approved June 18,
> > 1992 IEEE Standards Board; Approved January 4, 1993 American National
> > Standards Institute.
> > Gajda, G., A. Thansandote, E. Lemay, D. Lecuyer, W. Gorman, and J.
> > McNamee.
> > 2006. Report on
> > Evaluation of Stetzer Filters Consumer and Clinical Radiation Protection
> > Bureau, Health Canada.
> > available at: www.bccdc.org/content.php?.item=62
> > Havas M and Stetzer D. 2004. Dirty Electricity and Electrical
> > Hypersensitivity: Five Case Studies,
> > World Health Organization Workshop on Electrical Hypersensitivity, 25-26
> > October, Prague, Czech
> > Republic.
> > Multiple Sclerosis Society of Canada. 2002. On The Path to a Cure: From
> > Diagnosis to Chronic Disease
> > Management Brief Submitted to the Commission on the Future of Health
> Care
> > in
> > Canada, March
> > 2002, 7 pp http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca
> > Ontario Hydro. 1998. Power Quality Reference Guide, 3rd Edition, Ontario
> > Hydro.
> > Philips A and Philips J. 2006. The Power Watch Handbook. Piatkus Books
> > Ltd.,
> > London. 294 pp.
> > Reilly, J.P. 1998. Applied Bioelectricity. Springer-Verlag, NY, 561 pp.
> > Stahlkopf, Karl. 1999. Cost of Dirty Power. Fortune, June 5, 1999.
> >
> > ----------
> >
> > On 1/30/07, Alasdair Philips <
> > [hidden email]<alasdair%40powerwatch.org.uk>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > That Health Canada (Gajda et al, 2006) Stezer Filter test report is
> > appalling - I am surprised that Health Canada put their name to it. It
> is
> > a
> > very poor piece of work and the researchers didn't use appropriate
> testing
> > equipment or methods of testing to actually test the Stetzer filter
> > specifications. I would grade it a "fail" at final year undergraduate
> > electronics project level.
> >
> > ----------------
> >
> > On 1/30/07, K Byrne < [hidden email] <kbyrne%40ca.inter.net>> wrote
> > to a man who used the
> > Health
> > Canada study to put down Stetzer's work:
> >
> > I'm truly surprised how a man who claims to be an EMF expert can get
> > things
> > so wrong.
> >
> > The Stetzer filter is a capacitor, and any capacitor draws reactive
> > current
> > and does not increase one's electrical bills. The filter does not create
> > higher frequencies either, it's designed to remove the higher
> frequencies
> > between 4 kHz to 100 kHz - frequencies in the dangerous radio frequency
> (3
> > kHz or greater) range. This is confirmed in the Heath Canada report you
> > noted in your email. I quote from the Health Canada report: "The Stetzer
> > filter is probably effective in attenuating high frequency (4 kHz to
> > 100kHz)
> > noise on the AC power lines..."
> >
> > Furthermore, in this biased piece of work Health Canada actually
> measured
> > the wrong frequency range, measuring only the less harmful 50 Hz to 5
> kHz
> > frequeicies, as opposed to the higher more dangerous 4 kHz to 100 kHz
> > frequencies. An overlay totaling only 1% of the filters capability. They
> > also measured the input to the filter not the actual output. They didn't
> > measure the actual "result" of the filtration.
> >
> > As far as creating a strong magnetic fields this is also wrong. Yes a GS
> > filter will produce a locally increased magnetic field that drops off
> > quickly with distance, but they do not produce high frequency radiation.
> > During your EMF workshop last year I let you borrow a Stetzer filter and
> > meter and your wife Monique conducted a demonstration that showed the
> > magnetic field dropped to all the way zero only 10 inches from the
> filter.
> > So, unless you're sitting on it I doubt it would be much of an issue.
> >
> > In your email you also state: "after we had mitigated in the entire
> house
> > electromagnetic pollution levels to safe ones." Can you tell me what
> > levels
> > of electromagnetic pollution is "safe?" Dr. Neil Cherry state the safe
> > level
> > to RF is "zero".
> >
> > You state: "It is indeed cheaper and more health beneficial to simply
> > solve
> > the wiring errors." How exactly are you going to remove noise from a
> > circuit
> > by correcting net current problems? Is there some secret wiring
> technique
> > you would like to share with us? Perhaps you're implying arcing is
> causing
> > all of this high frequency noise? This is not the case, it's caused
> > primarily by electronic devices that transform AC current to low-voltage
> > DC
> > and by things like dimmer switches and devices that have variable speed
> > motors.
> >
> > I suggest you speak with Dave Stetzer, you need to become better
> informed
> > on
> > this important topic.
> >
> > Kevin Byrne
> > www.EMFSolutions.ca
> > 877 987-5185
> >
> >
> >
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The problem with all those tests is, that they want to prove that nothing
may happen.

I want to start from the opposite site, and start with electrosensibnle
people.
Therefore I want to produce soem sort of classification system.

It is nonsense to place a person who thinks that he will feel something,
when he is close to an sending mast, next to a person who will go awol when
somebody near him has a mobile in his pocket.

First the test persons have to be examined for which sort of fields they are
*sensible*.
After that, the strenght of those fields have to be determind.

The reactions of the test persons should not be with a formular: *do you
feel something when I press a button*, but measured on the persons itsself.
There is nice equipment, which can registrate what is happening inside the
body when exposed.
(When exposed to a DECT phone, for instance the stomach and liver do react
instantly and can be monitored.)

That equipment will cost about 20-30.000 Euro, which I do not have.
All other measuring equipment I already have.
(And I have measuring equipment, nobody else in the Benelux posesses.
About the latest developments I am writing the next issue of *het bitje*. It
takes much time, because I have to learn how to handle those meters and
antennas, because I am not allowed to write nonsense. But I can reveal now,
that I now find signals, which I could not find before, and on the display
of my laptop, I can see which provider is busy at the moment! The
frequency-hopping of DECT phones I can see 3-dimensional!)

Of course, the pre-conditioning of the persons must be considered, as well
as the involved time-factor.
People may today have reactions from what they were exposed to yesterday.

So it is nonsense to expose people, and ask them if they feel something
directly.

I know for instance, that cordless DECT phones may give an instant reaction,
while GSM senders may do that later, sometimes hours later with some
persons.

Without some classification system, and serious acceptance that some people
may be electrosensible, no serious research is possible.

Regarding the spilling of 16.6 millions, I have written in the 1/2 October
2006 and December 2006 english versions of *het bitje* an number of remarks
about this.
(In short, they want to know how *crowd control* can be manipulated.)

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 20:33
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Stetzerizer Meter


I heard about the Netherlands EMF money. I think they have some real
concerns or they would not be spending that much, but I'm sure they're
going to be pretty conservative in what they fund.

I noticed that their webpage says they have some money set aside
for international collaborations. I happen to know a Dutch computational
biologist; I tried to get him interested but he said it was too far from
his expertise. But it sounds like it is right in yours.

I don't know if he (Martijn Huynen) would be more interested if you
were involved, or if you would be interested in trying to do something
with me (unclear what exactly). Probably they are expecting people
with university appointments, etc. If you don't have that I think
it's not a problem as long as we can find someone at a Dutch university
or research lab to also be involved.

I do have some ideas on experiments that could show conclusively
the kind of stuff you already know. The numbers you give are
extremely valuable, especially if they can be reproduced elsewhere.

Ideally a spectrum analyzer should be used as well.

I hope I can interest you in trying for some money although I can't
even promise that my employer will allow it (but I think they will,
if they have not fired me for other reasons). Please let me know.

Bill

On 8/7/07, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Science does not want to look into these matters.
> Certainly not the governments, because, when they do, they have to pay.
>
> In the netherlands, the government is going to spend 16.6 million Euro
> into
> research of EMF and health, but they only want to know how to suss the
> people and lulling them into the believe that there is no harm.
>
> My numbers are from praxis, and what several institutions claim, like f.i.
> the Ecolog Handbook.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Bitdefender
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Bruno" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 16:29
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Stetzerizer Meter
>
>
> Charles,
> Thanks for the insightful info. Are there any scientific papers to
> back up the numbers you give? Have you been doing blind tests?
>
> Bill
>

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BiBrun
Hi Charles,
I did read one of your issues on the 16.6 million. Still hoping it is not
hopeless.

Meanwhile, I would like to ask what instrument (ideally affordable) can
measure down to 6 mV/m? Or can this be done with a standard spectrum
analyzer?

Bill

On 8/7/07, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> The problem with all those tests is, that they want to prove that nothing
> may happen.
>
> I want to start from the opposite site, and start with electrosensibnle
> people.
> Therefore I want to produce soem sort of classification system.
>
> It is nonsense to place a person who thinks that he will feel something,
> when he is close to an sending mast, next to a person who will go awol
> when
> somebody near him has a mobile in his pocket.
>
> First the test persons have to be examined for which sort of fields they
> are
> *sensible*.
> After that, the strenght of those fields have to be determind.
>
> The reactions of the test persons should not be with a formular: *do you
> feel something when I press a button*, but measured on the persons
> itsself.
> There is nice equipment, which can registrate what is happening inside the
> body when exposed.
> (When exposed to a DECT phone, for instance the stomach and liver do react
> instantly and can be monitored.)
>
> That equipment will cost about 20-30.000 Euro, which I do not have.
> All other measuring equipment I already have.
> (And I have measuring equipment, nobody else in the Benelux posesses.
> About the latest developments I am writing the next issue of *het bitje*.
> It
> takes much time, because I have to learn how to handle those meters and
> antennas, because I am not allowed to write nonsense. But I can reveal
> now,
> that I now find signals, which I could not find before, and on the display
> of my laptop, I can see which provider is busy at the moment! The
> frequency-hopping of DECT phones I can see 3-dimensional!)
>
> Of course, the pre-conditioning of the persons must be considered, as well
> as the involved time-factor.
> People may today have reactions from what they were exposed to yesterday.
>
> So it is nonsense to expose people, and ask them if they feel something
> directly.
>
> I know for instance, that cordless DECT phones may give an instant
> reaction,
> while GSM senders may do that later, sometimes hours later with some
> persons.
>
> Without some classification system, and serious acceptance that some
> people
> may be electrosensible, no serious research is possible.
>
> Regarding the spilling of 16.6 millions, I have written in the 1/2 October
> 2006 and December 2006 english versions of *het bitje* an number of
> remarks
> about this.
> (In short, they want to know how *crowd control* can be manipulated.)
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Bitdefender
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Bruno" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 20:33
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Stetzerizer Meter
>
>
> I heard about the Netherlands EMF money. I think they have some real
> concerns or they would not be spending that much, but I'm sure they're
> going to be pretty conservative in what they fund.
>
> I noticed that their webpage says they have some money set aside
> for international collaborations. I happen to know a Dutch computational
> biologist; I tried to get him interested but he said it was too far from
> his expertise. But it sounds like it is right in yours.
>
> I don't know if he (Martijn Huynen) would be more interested if you
> were involved, or if you would be interested in trying to do something
> with me (unclear what exactly). Probably they are expecting people
> with university appointments, etc. If you don't have that I think
> it's not a problem as long as we can find someone at a Dutch university
> or research lab to also be involved.
>
> I do have some ideas on experiments that could show conclusively
> the kind of stuff you already know. The numbers you give are
> extremely valuable, especially if they can be reproduced elsewhere.
>
> Ideally a spectrum analyzer should be used as well.
>
> I hope I can interest you in trying for some money although I can't
> even promise that my employer will allow it (but I think they will,
> if they have not fired me for other reasons). Please let me know.
>
> Bill
>
> On 8/7/07, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Science does not want to look into these matters.
> > Certainly not the governments, because, when they do, they have to pay.
> >
> > In the netherlands, the government is going to spend 16.6 million Euro
> > into
> > research of EMF and health, but they only want to know how to suss the
> > people and lulling them into the believe that there is no harm.
> >
> > My numbers are from praxis, and what several institutions claim, like
> f.i.
> > the Ecolog Handbook.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Bitdefender
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Bruno" <[hidden email]>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 16:29
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Stetzerizer Meter
> >
> >
> > Charles,
> > Thanks for the insightful info. Are there any scientific papers to
> > back up the numbers you give? Have you been doing blind tests?
> >
> > Bill
> >
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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charles-4
Hello Bill,

I see others here ask questions, which I have written about extensively in
the past.
Many items I had explained and since they do not take the trouble of looking
back, I do not feel obliged to answer them again.


What standard spectrum analyzer do you think is *ideally affordable* ???

Most HF broadband meters from Gigahertz Solutions can measure from 0,1 uW/m2
(HF35C) ; others from 0,01 uW/m2.
We never use mV/m but always uW/m2.
A conversion table from mV/m to uW/m2 is on my HP, as well as a small
programme that converts other dimensions (very handy).

The body voltage measurement is a standard in the Standard baubiologische
Messtechnik 2003, of which an english version is on my HP.
The black MUST be grounded; otherwise it is not right.
And the person must lie on a BED, so that the body is not grounded.
All other measurements are foolish, because then there are unwanted
potential differences.
Many *loads*, whether they are from dynamic or static nature, are in the
body transformed into a low voltage AC tension.
Even static magnetic fields from metal parts in beds are this way a
disturbing source and transformed into an alternative AC tension in the
body.

Ideal is a value of 30 mV.
Most people have 300-800 mV.
People with an electrical blanket may have 4.000 mV.
And a waterbed may give 55.000 mV, that is 55 Volts, as I have measured.

A degaussing coil is principally used for eliminating static magnetic
fields.
However, that is not quite right.
I know of a person who is sensible to magnetic fields in tires from
motorcars, automobiles.
Lifting a car with a jack, and turning the wheel by hand, I measured AC
magnetic fields in the tyre.
Turning a wheel by hand is not easy, so the speed was very low!
After degaussing the turning wheeltyre, the AC magnetic fields were
deminished greatly.
The demagnetised tyres will do that way for about 5.000 km.
After that they have to be demagnetised again.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bruno" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 23:47
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Stetzerizer Meter


> Hi Charles,
> I did read one of your issues on the 16.6 million. Still hoping it is not
> hopeless.
>
> Meanwhile, I would like to ask what instrument (ideally affordable) can
> measure down to 6 mV/m? Or can this be done with a standard spectrum
> analyzer?
>
> Bill
>
> On 8/7/07, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> The problem with all those tests is, that they want to prove that nothing
>> may happen.
>>
>> I want to start from the opposite site, and start with electrosensibnle
>> people.
>> Therefore I want to produce soem sort of classification system.
>>
>> It is nonsense to place a person who thinks that he will feel something,
>> when he is close to an sending mast, next to a person who will go awol
>> when
>> somebody near him has a mobile in his pocket.
>>
>> First the test persons have to be examined for which sort of fields they
>> are
>> *sensible*.
>> After that, the strenght of those fields have to be determind.
>>
>> The reactions of the test persons should not be with a formular: *do you
>> feel something when I press a button*, but measured on the persons
>> itsself.
>> There is nice equipment, which can registrate what is happening inside
>> the
>> body when exposed.
>> (When exposed to a DECT phone, for instance the stomach and liver do
>> react
>> instantly and can be monitored.)
>>
>> That equipment will cost about 20-30.000 Euro, which I do not have.
>> All other measuring equipment I already have.
>> (And I have measuring equipment, nobody else in the Benelux posesses.
>> About the latest developments I am writing the next issue of *het bitje*.
>> It
>> takes much time, because I have to learn how to handle those meters and
>> antennas, because I am not allowed to write nonsense. But I can reveal
>> now,
>> that I now find signals, which I could not find before, and on the
>> display
>> of my laptop, I can see which provider is busy at the moment! The
>> frequency-hopping of DECT phones I can see 3-dimensional!)
>>
>> Of course, the pre-conditioning of the persons must be considered, as
>> well
>> as the involved time-factor.
>> People may today have reactions from what they were exposed to yesterday.
>>
>> So it is nonsense to expose people, and ask them if they feel something
>> directly.
>>
>> I know for instance, that cordless DECT phones may give an instant
>> reaction,
>> while GSM senders may do that later, sometimes hours later with some
>> persons.
>>
>> Without some classification system, and serious acceptance that some
>> people
>> may be electrosensible, no serious research is possible.
>>
>> Regarding the spilling of 16.6 millions, I have written in the 1/2
>> October
>> 2006 and December 2006 english versions of *het bitje* an number of
>> remarks
>> about this.
>> (In short, they want to know how *crowd control* can be manipulated.)
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>> member Verband Baubiologie
>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>> www.milieuziektes.be
>> www.hetbitje.nl
>> checked by Bitdefender
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bill Bruno" <[hidden email]>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 20:33
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Stetzerizer Meter
>>
>>
>> I heard about the Netherlands EMF money. I think they have some real
>> concerns or they would not be spending that much, but I'm sure they're
>> going to be pretty conservative in what they fund.
>>
>> I noticed that their webpage says they have some money set aside
>> for international collaborations. I happen to know a Dutch computational
>> biologist; I tried to get him interested but he said it was too far from
>> his expertise. But it sounds like it is right in yours.
>>
>> I don't know if he (Martijn Huynen) would be more interested if you
>> were involved, or if you would be interested in trying to do something
>> with me (unclear what exactly). Probably they are expecting people
>> with university appointments, etc. If you don't have that I think
>> it's not a problem as long as we can find someone at a Dutch university
>> or research lab to also be involved.
>>
>> I do have some ideas on experiments that could show conclusively
>> the kind of stuff you already know. The numbers you give are
>> extremely valuable, especially if they can be reproduced elsewhere.
>>
>> Ideally a spectrum analyzer should be used as well.
>>
>> I hope I can interest you in trying for some money although I can't
>> even promise that my employer will allow it (but I think they will,
>> if they have not fired me for other reasons). Please let me know.
>>
>> Bill
>>

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Ian Kemp
In reply to this post by charles-4
I agree 100% with Charles on the need for a classification system. This has
been mentioned before - the lack of distinction between severity of the
condition for different people leads to situations like the Essex study,
where a series of tests on people with only moderate ES have been
misunderstood by the media and some scientists as "disproving" ES.

Some months ago I suggested a classification both on this group and in a
letter to Jill Meara at the HPA (which she did not really take on board -
responding with a fairly stock letter). It was:
Type 1 - mild ES - minor reactions to exposure such as mild rashes,
headaches, which are common to many people for other reasons.
Type 2 - moderate ES - chronic reactions to exposure, usually long-term,
such as severe rashes, burning skin, brain fog, tinnitus, usually occurring
after a fairly long exposure e.g. several hours sitting at a computer, in a
wi-fi environment, in a mast beam or near a cordless phone.
Type 3 - severe ES - acute reactions to exposure, short-term and immediate
(within seconds or minutes of being exposed to the source), e.g. burning
sensations in the head, acute tinnitus and other acute pain.
(And Type 0 as a control - people who are lucky enough to show no detectable
effects, i.e. the majority of the current population).

Thus the Essex study was likely to show a negative result because it was
trying to detect an acute short-term reaction (Type 3) in a study group of
people who would mainly be moderately ES (Type 2) because the journey and
building environment would rule out most Type 3's. (And, judging from the
drop-out rate and Brian Stein's letter - see www.electrosensitivity.org and
http://www.next-up.org/pdf/TestimonyBrianSteinAnEssexVictim28072007.pdf,
those Type 3's who did manage to get there had to drop out of the tests
because of the severity of the acute reaction!).

Charles makes the additional point that different people have different
reactions to different stimuli. Thus, a person might be Type 1 or 2 with
respect to computers and magnetic fields but Type 3 with respect to mobile
and cordless phones and microwave exposure from masts. This would need to
be built into a person's classification profile. There is also the aspect of
frequency dependence.

So a person could have a profile showing 1, 2 and 3 under a range of
stimuli; (a) mobile phone handsets; (b) mobile phone masts, (c) TETRA masts,
(d) cordless phones, (e) magnetic fields, (f) fluorescent/low energy lights,
(g) incandescent lights, (h) computer and TV screens, (i) general electrical
equipment e.g. computer body, (j) radar and radio transmissions. The type
of symptoms shown might also vary.

It is a challenge to keep a classification simple enough to understand
without becoming too complex, while still containing the key information.
But it is worth doing.

Ian

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
charles
Sent: 07 August 2007 20:11
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Stetzerizer Meter

The problem with all those tests is, that they want to prove that nothing
may happen.

I want to start from the opposite site, and start with electrosensibnle
people.
Therefore I want to produce soem sort of classification system.

It is nonsense to place a person who thinks that he will feel something,
when he is close to an sending mast, next to a person who will go awol when
somebody near him has a mobile in his pocket.

First the test persons have to be examined for which sort of fields they are
*sensible*.
After that, the strenght of those fields have to be determind.

The reactions of the test persons should not be with a formular: *do you
feel something when I press a button*, but measured on the persons itsself.
There is nice equipment, which can registrate what is happening inside the
body when exposed.
(When exposed to a DECT phone, for instance the stomach and liver do react
instantly and can be monitored.)

That equipment will cost about 20-30.000 Euro, which I do not have.
All other measuring equipment I already have.
(And I have measuring equipment, nobody else in the Benelux posesses.
About the latest developments I am writing the next issue of *het bitje*. It
takes much time, because I have to learn how to handle those meters and
antennas, because I am not allowed to write nonsense. But I can reveal now,
that I now find signals, which I could not find before, and on the display
of my laptop, I can see which provider is busy at the moment! The
frequency-hopping of DECT phones I can see 3-dimensional!)

Of course, the pre-conditioning of the persons must be considered, as well
as the involved time-factor.
People may today have reactions from what they were exposed to yesterday.

So it is nonsense to expose people, and ask them if they feel something
directly.

I know for instance, that cordless DECT phones may give an instant reaction,
while GSM senders may do that later, sometimes hours later with some
persons.

Without some classification system, and serious acceptance that some people
may be electrosensible, no serious research is possible.

Regarding the spilling of 16.6 millions, I have written in the 1/2 October
2006 and December 2006 english versions of *het bitje* an number of remarks
about this.
(In short, they want to know how *crowd control* can be manipulated.)

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender



----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bruno" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 20:33
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Stetzerizer Meter


I heard about the Netherlands EMF money. I think they have some real
concerns or they would not be spending that much, but I'm sure they're
going to be pretty conservative in what they fund.

I noticed that their webpage says they have some money set aside
for international collaborations. I happen to know a Dutch computational
biologist; I tried to get him interested but he said it was too far from
his expertise. But it sounds like it is right in yours.

I don't know if he (Martijn Huynen) would be more interested if you
were involved, or if you would be interested in trying to do something
with me (unclear what exactly). Probably they are expecting people
with university appointments, etc. If you don't have that I think
it's not a problem as long as we can find someone at a Dutch university
or research lab to also be involved.

I do have some ideas on experiments that could show conclusively
the kind of stuff you already know. The numbers you give are
extremely valuable, especially if they can be reproduced elsewhere.

Ideally a spectrum analyzer should be used as well.

I hope I can interest you in trying for some money although I can't
even promise that my employer will allow it (but I think they will,
if they have not fired me for other reasons). Please let me know.

Bill

On 8/7/07, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Science does not want to look into these matters.
> Certainly not the governments, because, when they do, they have to pay.
>
> In the netherlands, the government is going to spend 16.6 million Euro
> into
> research of EMF and health, but they only want to know how to suss the
> people and lulling them into the believe that there is no harm.
>
> My numbers are from praxis, and what several institutions claim, like f.i.
> the Ecolog Handbook.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Bitdefender
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Bruno" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 16:29
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Stetzerizer Meter
>
>
> Charles,
> Thanks for the insightful info. Are there any scientific papers to
> back up the numbers you give? Have you been doing blind tests?
>
> Bill
>




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Ian Kemp
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Charles, what is the equipment that you are thinking of? What is it actually
measuring and detecting?

A big problem for scientific acceptance of ES is the lack of any externally
measurable index (unfortunately people's reported pain can always be written
off as possibly psychosomatic). If there is an actual test which measures
something in the body (electrical signals like an ECG?) it would be very
useful, and provide a firmer foundation for acceptance. And the purchase
cost could be faced if it was part of a large well-funded study.

Ian

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
charles

There is nice equipment, which can registrate what is happening inside the
body when exposed.
(When exposed to a DECT phone, for instance the stomach and liver do react
instantly and can be monitored.)

That equipment will cost about 20-30.000 Euro, which I do not have.