Re: Silver lined clothes? Now: Mapping gorund current

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SArjuna

Re: Silver lined clothes? Now: Mapping gorund current

PUK asked how to deal with the effect of his neighbor's plasma tv. Others
gave some good suggestions. Filtering your own circuits is good. Offering
filters to your neighbor to keep the harmful frequencies from being sent on to
your house in the first place is good. Depending on your relationship with
your neighbor, you might also show him on a Stetxer surgemeter what happens at
your house when he turns on the tv at his house, and how that affects you.
He might also be interested in the fact that the effects of exposure to these
frequencies is cumulative and in the long term is affecting the people at his
house, too.

I am sorry that I just today saw PUK's message. I remain far behind in
keeping up with my e-mail, as a result of putting a tremendous amount of time and
effort into working on creating a permaculture farm community over the past
year, and now this year a local community garden. Our country, and many
others, are about to experience drastic change as the Industrial Age comes to a
close. Peak oil, water and food were bad enough. Now we have the fallout
from the sudden realization of what happens when our citizens, businesses, city
and state governments that have been running on borrowed funds suddenly can't
borrow. It's like the cartoons in which a character runs off a cliff but
doesn't notice it till he looks down. We have just looked down. Aaaagh.

If anyone wishes to hear from me in a timely fashion, I once again invite you
to contact me directly in addition to posting here. I may not see a
posting here till a month later, when I'm checking e-mails about to disappear from
cyberspace. I'm sorry. I'm pedalling as fast as I can.

Shivani

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SArjuna

Re: Silver lined clothes? Now: Mapping gorund current

Charles mentioned that " They have large filters for placing inside your
fusebox closet where the
mains enters the house."

Be sure to check that these filter the frequencies that are causing your
problems. Some of these "whole house" filters have a limited frequency range
that means they won't help you.

Also be aware that if you have electronics in your house that produce dirty
electricity these filters where the mains comes in won't stop those frequencies
from running on your building wiring.

This is why Dr. Graham and Dave Stetzer went to the smaller filters that you
plug into outlets around your house.

Shivani
www.LifeEnergies.com

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charles-4

Re: Silver lined clothes? Now: Mapping gorund current

Sure, but don't forget, that the frequency range of the Stetzer filters are
limited also, and the frequency range of good large entry filters are
broader.

Of course, they cannot filter the *dirty power* you make yourself. The large
filters prevent them from leaving you house, but do not filter them inside.
Therefore, the Stetzer filters come in.

Btw. I have publishe somethinmg about the working of the Stetzer filters in
the September issue of *het bitje*.

And I disagree with Stetzer about the point that in a house at least 20
filters, or in Europe at least 15 filters are necessary.

In Europe, the mains electricity network are better than in the USA (where
70 % goes back through the ground).

My opinion, after measurements, a number of max five filters will do the
trick, often less.

Electrosensibles even *feel* the difference after placing even one filter.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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From: <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:45 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Silver lined clothes? Now: Mapping gorund current

> Charles mentioned that " They have large filters for placing inside your
> fusebox closet where the
> mains enters the house."
>
> Be sure to check that these filter the frequencies that are causing your
> problems. Some of these "whole house" filters have a limited frequency
> range
> that means they won't help you.
>
> Also be aware that if you have electronics in your house that produce
> dirty
> electricity these filters where the mains comes in won't stop those
> frequencies
> from running on your building wiring.
>
> This is why Dr. Graham and Dave Stetzer went to the smaller filters that
> you
> plug into outlets around your house.
>
> Shivani
> www.LifeEnergies.com
>
>
> **************
> New MapQuest Local shows what's happening
> at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out!
>
> (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)
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BiBrun

Re: Silver lined clothes? Now: Mapping gorund current

I've been saying that Stetzer filters are often not effective because they
only filter differential mode, not common mode noise. It occurred to me
recently that differential mode could be more efficiently coupled into the
room especially if there are transformers or wiring errors that allow
magnetic
coupling. With transformers higher frequencies won't get all the way
through
the coil, in which case the two modes have the same effect. But with any
other kind of loop with modest inductive impedance you will have current
due to differential mode but not common mode.

If I am right about this (and I haven't checked the idea with anyone yet),
then Stetzer filters may not be much help for those
of us who have gotten rid of transformers and wiring errors, but might help
a lot for people in a normal house. Even without wiring errors, unless all
your
wires are twisted, differential mode may couple more, especially close to
the
wires.

(These ideas probably only make sense when applied to frequencies lower than
the time
it takes the speed of light to travel the wires, so say 10 meters, means
less than 30MHz,
which pretty much covers everything we mean by dirty power).

Bill

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:00 AM, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Sure, but don't forget, that the frequency range of the Stetzer filters
> are
> limited also, and the frequency range of good large entry filters are
> broader.
>
> Of course, they cannot filter the *dirty power* you make yourself. The
> large
> filters prevent them from leaving you house, but do not filter them inside.
> Therefore, the Stetzer filters come in.
>
> Btw. I have publishe somethinmg about the working of the Stetzer filters in
>
> the September issue of *het bitje*.
>
> And I disagree with Stetzer about the point that in a house at least 20
> filters, or in Europe at least 15 filters are necessary.
>
> In Europe, the mains electricity network are better than in the USA (where
> 70 % goes back through the ground).
>
> My opinion, after measurements, a number of max five filters will do the
> trick, often less.
>
> Electrosensibles even *feel* the difference after placing even one filter.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Bitdefender
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[hidden email] <SArjuna%40aol.com>>
> To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:45 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Silver lined clothes? Now: Mapping gorund current
>
> > Charles mentioned that " They have large filters for placing inside your
> > fusebox closet where the
> > mains enters the house."
> >
> > Be sure to check that these filter the frequencies that are causing your
> > problems. Some of these "whole house" filters have a limited frequency
> > range
> > that means they won't help you.
> >
> > Also be aware that if you have electronics in your house that produce
> > dirty
> > electricity these filters where the mains comes in won't stop those
> > frequencies
> > from running on your building wiring.
> >
> > This is why Dr. Graham and Dave Stetzer went to the smaller filters that
> > you
> > plug into outlets around your house.
> >
> > Shivani
> > www.LifeEnergies.com
> >
> >
> > **************
> > New MapQuest Local shows what's happening
> > at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out!
> >
> > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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