Can anybody on this list explain the origin of and the difference
between longitudinal waves and transversal waves.
And by the way, it is not surprising that people who suffers from
"electrosensibility", newer are treated seriously when they claim that
all those devices with crystals, coils etc. cures them!
>And by the way, it is not surprising that people who suffers from
>"electrosensibility", newer are treated seriously when they claim that
>all those devices with crystals, coils etc. cures them!
Heh, heh... I agree with this! After years of experimenting with all
sorts of strange devices, my coworkers and even my wife thinks I'm
a bit crazy!
However, they would have to agree that my health has improved
dramatically since I started experimenting with them, and that I'm
no longer afraid to go anywhere because of the potential problems
Better to be healthy and "crazy" than unhealthy and "sensible"... :-)
Protective devices, crystals, etc. do something. That is out of doubt.
Who wants it proved could pay me a plane ticket and see that I am able to distinguish whether the device is in a box or not.
BUT, nobody can be positive on what they really do. Not to mention about possible side effects.
There has been an outbreak of dowsing - based "explanations" last years. I don't deny dowsing as a discipline at all, but such explanations are often mixture of facts and imagination. If, for example, a device
can be felt, it is not any proof that " it concentrates cosmic energy" or "harmonizes malicious radiations". "Cosmic energy", "harmonization", or such terms need to be defined.
I would have been very happy to meet somebody who has explanation based on more rational level.
Sounds that Charles could try? All he says sound interesting to me. Charles, please let us know more of your theoretical background!
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I would have been very happy to meet somebody who has explanation based on
more rational level.
I'm here???? Hello Pecina and Esens group. In the past 25 years of
dowsing, mostly related to human health issues, I can say without a doubt, that
there is a connection to what I call Aberrant Energy Fields and degenerative
disease in humans.
My work in the past seven or eight years has been in identifying and
counteracting abnormal energy fields in offices and homes. In over 250 searches,
almost every case where there was an Aberrant Energy Field in a location where
the resident spent a lot of time such as beds, easy chair, work areas, there was
recurring illness. Their ability to recuperate from illness was demented and
the immune system was suppressed thus allowing many health problems to
overtake their resistance.
This is a most interesting group and I have been following the letters for
several days and have learned a lot. It seems you are more aware of your body
signals that something is not right in your environment than the general
public. Most cases of progressive illness do not make the link to these electro
magnetic and other energy fields that are contributing to their illness. As a
result they just keep on taking pills and surgery offered by the establishment
medical practice which maybe does more harm than good.
Thanks again Bill W
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>In the past 25 years of
>dowsing, mostly related to human health issues, I can say without a doubt,
>there is a connection to what I call Aberrant Energy Fields and degenerative
>disease in humans.
I just wanted to add that illness doesn't isn't due to solely man-made
energy fields. There are variations in the Earth's energy fields, and if
your bed or favorite chair is placed over a "bad spot", with continued
exposure you can become ill from just that.
A few years ago I didn't believe such things, but then my wife and I went
on a trip to Assisi Italy, and I could definitely feel the good energy in
the places where the churches were built. I later learned that the
churches were built at these particular locations BECAUSE there was good
energy there. (note that the so-called "healing waters" were also in these
areas too). When I got home, I became very interested in finding something
which produced similar energy, because it seemed very healing. And I did,
although they are marketed as EMF protection devices.
Not surprisingly, the active ingredients in these devices seem to be
minerals/dirt/soil from the Earth.
Aulterra -- http://www.energeticnutrition.com/hi/neutralizer.html
Cosmic Energy Transformers -- http://www.alivewater.net/geostress.htm
And of course, the Springlife Polarizers, which I've already mentioned here
several times. In all cases, these products include rare/trace earth
elements as part of their active ingredients.
As for how well they work -- I found the Cosmic Energy Transformers to be
far too underpowered to allow me to use the computer, but I could feel the
energy coming off of them when they first arrived. I have not personally
experimented with the Aulterra, however I put one on my wife's cell phone,
and she has never complained of headaches from cell phone use after that.
And the Springlife Polarizers are plenty strong -- in fact, they're so
strong that I need to be careful not to overuse them, otherwise I get
unpleasant detox symptoms (even after detoxing with supplements for years
prior to this)
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--- In [hidden email], "Drasko Cvijovic" <pecina@c...> wrote:
> Protective devices, crystals, etc. do something. That is out of
> I would have been very happy to meet somebody who has explanation
based on more rational level.
> Sounds that Charles could try? All he says sound interesting to
me. Charles, please let us know more of your theoretical background!
first of all, I am a realistic pragmatic person. Aside agreat number
of measuring meters, which I use for my home examinations as a
*Baubiloge*, I have also other measuring equipment. With a RFI
system, I can measure the auras on 40 points of the body, as well as
the conditions of plants, as an example. I also have a Life Energy
meter, with which I can measure the bioenergy of the body, plants
and things. It is weird to so the difference between a stawberry, an
apple and a banana. I can observe water samples. I measured one and
placed it one hour on a Purple Plate. After that I measured a raise
I am member of several international newsgroups, and do posses as
such knowledge of other peoples experiences.
My most sensitive measuring equipment, I am married with.
We try a lot of *things*, and I try to measure with the conventional
meters, but till now to no avail.
Aside my house examinations, where I do measurements and give
shielding instructions, a lot of people seek my advice by phone or e-
With all that, I have a fairly good knowledge what is going on.
Untill we have measuring meters, only electrosensibles can judge the
working or not working of *things*.
Dr. Gruen, the man behind the BioProtect cards, uses
electroacupuncture for measuring. He has an extra large scale.
He examined several *things* on the market, and found that they more
or less do, what the manufacturers claim they should do. Most of
them use symbols inside.
(Interestingly, dr. Gruen examined also *water energisers*.
Water is a very good medium for containing information, lik in the
He could measure the energy raise, but also the filtering of
electrosmog information in the water, as well as the pvc,
carbendazim and radioactivity. There was a great difference in
quality and results among the nearly 30 products.)
Dr. Gruen watered wheat seeds during a week. He used tapwater as
control. He radiated water with a mobile phone for one minute.
Those seeds kept behind in growing.
He than placed the water inside a cage of Faraday, and radiated the
water from the outside. Normally, one would think, that there was no
information in the water, but this was not so. Those seeds kept also
behind in growing.
He then placed a small BioProtect on the phone and radiated again.
Now the seeds did grow as those with the tapwater.
He so proofed, that longitudinal waves go right through a cage of
Faraday, and that water contains information, and that his
At http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/Pagina41.html one may
download *het bitje* July 2003. It is in dutch, but on page 17 and
18 one can see the pictures.
Dr. Gruen describes this resonator effect as followes:
A mother walks with her daughter on a certain road, wher there is a
lot of HF radiation. The mother suffers from the radiation, but the
daughter does not feel anything. The mother acts as a resonator.
The other day, the daughter walks without her mother. Now she
suffers from the radiation, because she herself is now the resonator.
I have also Bioresonance equipment, like the Rife/Clark MORI, the
Lakhovsky MWO, the dr Beck Blood Optimizer, the Clark and the
Terminator2 zappers. So I do know what frequencies can heal the body.
In the Netherlands, I am the contact person for the hese-project,
where they collect all information internationally about EMF. The
newest studies are presented there.
Because I write about it, I am in good contact with manufacturors of
measuring equipment. I have good contact with collegues Baubiologe
in Germany, Switserland and Austria.
So, my statements are not only based on personal experience, but
also of those of many others.
If you feel comfortable with a number of *things* that work fine for
you, like Marc claims, that is excellent.
But, I must give a serious warning.
Many studies have shown, that HF radiation can have a negative
influence on your health, but PULSED HF radiation has an enormous
negative impact. Sooner or later it gets a grip on your immune
system. And this is very much underestimated.
A lot of *environmental illnesses* like electrosensibility, multiple
chemical sensitivity, tinnitus, sound sensitivity, etc. grow in
intension when pulsed HF radiation is involved. It works like a
katalysator for the others.
It is a false illusion to disregard the Hf radiation.
One should have a radiation-free bedroom, AND use the other stuff.
I hope that this is understandable.
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In Re: Protecting devices 2 I forgot to mention the other *things
that work, where no symbols are involved.
They contain minerals, crystals and other unknown stuff.
There is a lot on the market.
I have a german book, that describes a lot of those apparatus. I
asked the writer which one was the best in his opinion, but he
answered me: *I cannot say, because after some time, they all start
emitting negative energy*.
I came to the same conclusion.
For Tachyonen products also, but not for Pulsors.
But electrosensible people feel that, and they can *recharge* them
I do recharge them on an original Purple Plate from
The simplest Pulsor set, red, green and blue, were the very first
things we invested in, and are still happy with.
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>A lot of *environmental illnesses* like electrosensibility, multiple
>chemical sensitivity, tinnitus, sound sensitivity, etc. grow in
>intension when pulsed HF radiation is involved.
I agree that high frequency radiation is a problem, and that if
you are in a situation where you can easily avoid it, then you
should do that. However, there are many places today where
it is not easily avoided -- for example, places where people
work, shop, travel, etc.
I also agree with those illnesses you listed -- 3 years ago, I
had *all* of those health problems plus more. Now, either those
problems have gone away entirely, or are in the process of going
away. And I didn't move, I didn't rearrange the furniture, I
didn't use special low-radiation products, nor did I didn't put
up any shielding materials. Just detoxification, nutrition,
and "crazy" devices... :-)
In reply to this post by charles-2
>In Re: Protecting devices 2 I forgot to mention the other *things
>that work, where no symbols are involved.
>They contain minerals, crystals and other unknown stuff.
I think there is yet a third category -- devices which emit
a field which neutralizes the harmful aspects of other fields.
In this category, I can think of at least two product lines:
Quantum Products: http://www.quantumproducts.com
As for the Clarus products, I have only tried the Q-Link pendant,
which for me did nothing. They also manufacturer a line of clocks,
which I have never tried. This is because I phoned an ex-Clarus
dealer (http://www.advancedliving.com/), and he said that many
electrically-sensitive people reported bad reactions to the Clarus
products, while these same people reported good reaction to the
Quantum Products. So I tried the Quantum Products, which indeed
I did have a good reaction to.
>I have a german book, that describes a lot of those apparatus. I
>asked the writer which one was the best in his opinion, but he
>answered me: *I cannot say, because after some time, they all start
>emitting negative energy*.
I know that the both the makers of the Biolectric Shield and the
Springlife Polarizers recommend that their devices be placed out
in the sunshine periodically to cleanse/recharge them. The
Bioelectric Shield never worked for me, so I can't report if
that works. I've had my Springlife Polarizers since October,
and I have not set them out in the sun yet, but perhaps on
the next sunny day I'll try this and see if I notice any
difference in their functioning. (and there is no evidence
that I've seen that the Quantum Products ever require any
> Quantum Products: http://www.quantumproducts.com
> Clarus: http://clarus.com
> As for the Clarus products, I have only tried the Q-Link pendant,
> which for me did nothing. They also manufacturer a line of clocks,
> which I have never tried.
I have read, that those wrist watches do not do much.
The Bio Electrical shield we do have, and that started emitting
negative energy after some time. The purple Plate fixed that.
I read also in the instructions to place it in the sun.
However, this black turmaline cristal (holding it in your hand in
front of a monitor helps also) is said to charge it NOT in the sun
but in the moonshine! So that is very contrary.
(and there is no evidence
> that I've seen that the Quantum Products ever require any
Perhaps the Quantum products do not use cristals that require
>> As for the Clarus products, I have only tried the Q-Link pendant,
>> which for me did nothing. They also manufacturer a line of clocks,
>> which I have never tried.
>I have read, that those wrist watches do not do much.
I don't think Clarus makes wristwatches. They make clocks:
But, as I've heard, extremely sensitive people don't do well with these.
The only people I've heard who like Clarus products are people who aren't
As for wristwatches, I did try a Teslar watch years ago. It didn't do
anything as far as I could tell. I opened it up once, and it looked like
an ordinary watch with a small piece copper glued to the battery cover.
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