Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Ian and everyone,

I haven't been a member of this group for very long - for this reason and because of my severe problems with "brain fog", I haven't had a chance to read many of the older messages. So excuse me if this is a repeat question or a "regurgitation" of things that have been much-discussed.  

But there have been several posts since I've been here that have mentioned MCS and/or CFS, and how they are linked to electrosensitivity. Are people here of the belief that MCS and CFS are caused by or related to a conditionknown as "adrenal fatigue"? The "experts" cite adrenal fatigue as a root cause of these conditions - and, coincidentally (or not), I've had strong suspicions for at least a few years now that I'm a long-time sufferer of adrenal fatigue. I've taken a few saliva hormone tests and other tests to tryto confirm this, with mixed results (many of my results could be interpreted in a variety of ways - this hormone issue, at least for me, has not beencut-and-dry). But mainly, I've tried to pay attention to my symptoms as a possible indicator of adrenal fatigue (you treat the patient, not lab results, right?).  

The biggest/most troublesome symptom(s) I deal with are mental/emotional - such as an utter inability to handle stress. Even the "simplest" things produce a feeling of being "stressed out" - I seem to "decompensate" under themost mundane of stressors. My mental symptoms are such that my "shot" adrenals may be making too much adrenaline, and not enough cortisol (this problem may "start" with mis-signaling in the region of the brain responsible for sending messages to the adrenal glands). I've seen a few sources that claim that when your adrenals are "tired" or "shot", it may be unable to generate cortisol - and "overproduce" arenaline instead. The brain senses thatnot enough cortisol is being made - and continues to send out a hormone that signals for more cortisol to be made. The tired adrenals respond by generating adrenaline, and the vicious cycle continues.  

At first I thought I didn't have much of a problem with MCS - but upon closer inspection, I do have a couple of problems that may point to some form of MCS. I seem to be quite sensitive to car exhaust fumes - I could be sitting in heavy traffic with the windows up, and still get nauseous and "foggybrained" from car exhaust fumes (I'm sensitive to these fumes in other ways, as well). Or I could be in a drive-thru line at a fast-food restaurant,and when I roll down the window to place my order - I have a hard time speaking because I'm "overcome" by exhaust fumes. And I seem to be quite sensitive to the smell of bleach (heavy-metal chelation "expert" Andy Cutler mentions this as a sign of MCS and/or heavy-metal toxicity).  

Anyway, I have occassionally been visting adrenal/thyroid/hormonal sites and messageboards - so adrenal fatigue had been a concept that I'd been pretty familiar with well-before my electrosensitivity "crisis" emerged. When Idiscovered this place and other sites that discuss electrosensitivity, I didn't expect to find discussions about MCS and (possibly) adrenal fatigue, but here I find myself reading about the same things that I've been trying to educate myself about for a few years now.  

Sorry for rambling, but the point I'm trying to get at is that, in trying to deal with this electrosensitivity crisis - I feel like I've come full-circle, in a way. I find myself taken "back" to places that I started exploring a few years ago - adrenal-fatigue, "sluggish liver"/detox problems, etc. Maybe I should take this as further confirmation that I'm in the right ballpark in exploring my possible adrenal problems - my electrosensitivity could be another symptom of these problems.  

~Svetaswan



--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:

Hi Swetasan,

I have had adrenal fatigue since 2006, but getting better through differentprotocols.
I dont know if the HPA axis does as you say with regards to adrenaline and cortisol, I never saw that described anywhere, although I was told by Dr James Wilson that when cortisol gets too low during an adrenal crash, adrenaline will try to take cortisol's place, bu I dont know the exact biochemistry around this.
To first check whether or not you have too high epinephrine=adrenaline and / or norepinephrine=noradrenaline or imbalances of other brain chemicals such as the primary neurotransmitters, have this checked with a urinary test:
https://www.neurorelief.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=12&id=40&Itemid=46
Brainfog can be caused by so many things. bloodsugar, food allergies, livertoxicity, deficiencies of nutrients etc etc etc. One important thing I believe are related to EMF exposure and the genotoxic effects (which can make adrenal fatigue worse) is DNA methylation.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_262/ai_n13675760/
http://edoc.unibas.ch/1026/

Ole

 

________________________________
From: svetaswan <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tue, 9 February, 2010 5:45:23
Subject: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

 


Hi Ian and everyone,

I haven't been a member of this group for very long - for this reason and because of my severe problems with "brain fog", I haven't had a chance to read many of the older messages. So excuse me if this is a repeat question ora "regurgitation" of things that have been much-discussed.

But there have been several posts since I've been here that have mentioned MCS and/or CFS, and how they are linked to electrosensitivity. Are people here of the belief that MCS and CFS are caused by or related to a condition known as "adrenal fatigue"? The "experts" cite adrenal fatigue as a root cause of these conditions - and, coincidentally (or not), I've had strong suspicions for at least a few years now that I'm a long-time sufferer of adrenal fatigue. I've taken a few saliva hormone tests and other tests to try toconfirm this, with mixed results (many of my results could be interpreted in a variety of ways - this hormone issue, at least for me, has not been cut-and-dry) . But mainly, I've tried to pay attention to my symptoms as a possible indicator of adrenal fatigue (you treat the patient, not lab results, right?).

The biggest/most troublesome symptom(s) I deal with are mental/emotional - such as an utter inability to handle stress. Even the "simplest" things produce a feeling of being "stressed out" - I seem to "decompensate" under themost mundane of stressors. My mental symptoms are such that my "shot" adrenals may be making too much adrenaline, and not enough cortisol (this problem may "start" with mis-signaling in the region of the brain responsible for sending messages to the adrenal glands). I've seen a few sources that claim that when your adrenals are "tired" or "shot", it may be unable to generate cortisol - and "overproduce" arenaline instead. The brain senses that not enough cortisol is being made - and continues to send out a hormone thatsignals for more cortisol to be made. The tired adrenals respond by generating adrenaline, and the vicious cycle continues.

At first I thought I didn't have much of a problem with MCS - but upon closer inspection, I do have a couple of problems that may point to some form of MCS. I seem to be quite sensitive to car exhaust fumes - I could be sitting in heavy traffic with the windows up, and still get nauseous and "foggy brained" from car exhaust fumes (I'm sensitive to these fumes in other ways, as well). Or I could be in a drive-thru line at a fast-food restaurant, and when I roll down the window to place my order - I have a hard time speaking because I'm "overcome" by exhaust fumes. And I seem to be quite sensitive to the smell of bleach (heavy-metal chelation "expert" Andy Cutler mentions this as a sign of MCS and/or heavy-metal toxicity).

Anyway, I have occassionally been visting adrenal/thyroid/ hormonal sites and messageboards - so adrenal fatigue had been a concept that I'd been pretty familiar with well-before my electrosensitivity "crisis" emerged. When Idiscovered this place and other sites that discuss electrosensitivity, I didn't expect to find discussions about MCS and (possibly) adrenal fatigue, but here I find myself reading about the same things that I've been trying to educate myself about for a few years now.

Sorry for rambling, but the point I'm trying to get at is that, in trying to deal with this electrosensitivity crisis - I feel like I've come full-circle, in a way. I find myself taken "back" to places that I started exploring a few years ago - adrenal-fatigue, "sluggish liver"/detox problems, etc. Maybe I should take this as further confirmation that I'm in the right ballpark in exploring my possible adrenal problems - my electrosensitivity could be another symptom of these problems.

~Svetaswan

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@ ...> wrote:




     

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This post is in comment to Rixta's post on 2/6/10. Sorry for the delay butI'm sure you understand when I say I can only be on-line a limited amount per day and I haven't had the opportunity to open many posts recently.

You said you could not get away for a couple of week. I had been having some extreme reactions to EMS starting last spring , basically I could not sleep. I do not travel often. But in September I had two weekend where I needed to travel. I was concerned with how I would sleep - because who sleeps better in a hotel than at home? I slept better the nights I was in the hotel than I had for 5 months. It did not take me days to see the results of not being by a cell tower just one night.

For me I have found that I can relieve my EMS immediately by removing myself from the source of the electromagnetic field. But for Multiple Chemical Sensitivities it is not immediate because the toxins that have been introduced to my body need to work their way out.

Good luck,

Jennie

 





________________________________
From: Ole Alstrup <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 10:21:28 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

 
Hi Swetasan,

I have had adrenal fatigue since 2006, but getting better through differentprotocols.
I dont know if the HPA axis does as you say with regards to adrenaline and cortisol, I never saw that described anywhere, although I was told by Dr James Wilson that when cortisol gets too low during an adrenal crash, adrenaline will try to take cortisol's place, bu I dont know the exact biochemistry around this.
To first check whether or not you have too high epinephrine= adrenaline and / or norepinephrine= noradrenaline or imbalances of other brain chemicals such as the primary neurotransmitters, have this checked with a urinarytest:
https://www. neurorelief. com/index. php?option= com_content& task=category& sectionid= 12&id=40& Itemid=46
Brainfog can be caused by so many things. bloodsugar, food allergies, livertoxicity, deficienci es of nutrients etc etc etc. One important thing I believe are related to EMF exposure and the genotoxic effects (which can makeadrenal fatigue worse) is DNA methylation.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_262/ai_n13675760/
http://edoc. unibas.ch/ 1026/

Ole

 

____________ _________ _________ __
From: svetaswan <svetaswan@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, 9 February, 2010 5:45:23
Subject: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

 

Hi Ian and everyone,

I haven't been a member of this group for very long - for this reason and because of my severe problems with "brain fog", I haven't had a chance to read many of the older messages. So excuse me if this is a repeat question ora "regurgitation" of things that have been much-discussed.

But there have been several posts since I've been here that have mentioned MCS and/or CFS, and how they are linked to electrosensitivity. Are people here of the belief that MCS and CFS are caused by or related to a condition known as "adrenal fatigue"? The "experts" cite adrenal fatigue as a root cause of these conditions - and, coincidentally (or not), I've had strong suspicions for at least a few years now that I'm a long-time sufferer of adrenal fatigue. I've taken a few saliva hormone tests and other tests to try toconfirm this, with mixed results (many of my results could be interpreted in a variety of ways - this hormone issue, at least for me, has not been cut-and-dry) . But mainly, I've tried to pay attention to my symptoms as a possible indicator of adrenal fatigue (you treat the patient, not lab results, right?).

The biggest/most troublesome symptom(s) I deal with are mental/emotional - such as an utter inability to handle stress. Even the "simplest" things produce a feeling of being "stressed out" - I seem to "decompensate" under themost mundane of stressors. My mental symptoms are such that my "shot" adrenals may be making too much adrenaline, and not enough cortisol (this problem may "start" with mis-signaling in the region of the brain responsible for sending messages to the adrenal glands). I've seen a few sources that claim that when your adrenals are "tired" or "shot", it may be unable to generate cortisol - and "overproduce" arenaline instead. The brain senses that not enough cortisol is being made - and continues to send out a hormone thatsignals for more cortisol to be made. The tired adrenals respond by generating adrenaline, and the vicious cycle continues.

At first I thought I didn't have much of a problem with MCS - but upon closer inspection, I do have a couple of problems that may point to some form of MCS. I seem to be quite sensitive to car exhaust fumes - I could be sitting in heavy traffic with the windows up, and still get nauseous and "foggy brained" from car exhaust fumes (I'm sensitive to these fumes in other ways, as well). Or I could be in a drive-thru line at a fast-food restaurant, and when I roll down the window to place my order - I have a hard time speaking because I'm "overcome" by exhaust fumes. And I seem to be quite sensitive to the smell of bleach (heavy-metal chelation "expert" Andy Cutler mentions this as a sign of MCS and/or heavy-metal toxicity).

Anyway, I have occassionally been visting adrenal/thyroid/ hormonal sites and messageboards - so adrenal fatigue had been a concept that I'd been pretty familiar with well-before my electrosensitivity "crisis" emerged. When Idiscovered this place and other sites that discuss electrosensitivity, I didn't expect to find discussions about MCS and (possibly) adrenal fatigue, but here I find myself reading about the same things that I've been trying to educate myself about for a few years now.

Sorry for rambling, but the point I'm trying to get at is that, in trying to deal with this electrosensitivity crisis - I feel like I've come full-circle, in a way. I find myself taken "back" to places that I started exploring a few years ago - adrenal-fatigue, "sluggish liver"/detox problems, etc. Maybe I should take this as further confirmation that I'm in the right ballpark in exploring my possible adrenal problems - my electrosensitivity could be another symptom of these problems.

~Svetaswan

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@ ...> wrote:
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Jennie,
 
That is wonderful you can stay at a hotel. The Wifi doesn't bother you. I just can't tolerate hotels so traveling is not possible for me. But I haven't tried it yet since I have the QLink.
 
Loni

--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 11:08 AM


 



This post is in comment to Rixta's post on 2/6/10. Sorry for the delay but I'm sure you understand when I say I can only be on-line a limited amount per day and I haven't had the opportunity to open many posts recently.

You said you could not get away for a couple of week. I had been having some extreme reactions to EMS starting last spring , basically I could not sleep. I do not travel often. But in September I had two weekend where I needed to travel. I was concerned with how I would sleep - because who sleeps better in a hotel than at home? I slept better the nights I was in the hotel than I had for 5 months. It did not take me days to see the results of not being by a cell tower just one night.

For me I have found that I can relieve my EMS immediately by removing myself from the source of the electromagnetic field. But for Multiple Chemical Sensitivities it is not immediate because the toxins that have been introduced to my body need to work their way out.

Good luck,

Jennie

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Ole Alstrup <alstrup@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 10:21:28 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Swetasan,

I have had adrenal fatigue since 2006, but getting better through differentprotocols.
I dont know if the HPA axis does as you say with regards to adrenaline and cortisol, I never saw that described anywhere, although I was told by Dr James Wilson that when cortisol gets too low during an adrenal crash, adrenaline will try to take cortisol's place, bu I dont know the exact biochemistry around this.
To first check whether or not you have too high epinephrine= adrenaline and / or norepinephrine= noradrenaline or imbalances of other brain chemicals such as the primary neurotransmitters, have this checked with a urinarytest:
https://www. neurorelief. com/index. php?option= com_content& task=category& sectionid= 12&id=40& Itemid=46
Brainfog can be caused by so many things. bloodsugar, food allergies, livertoxicity, deficienci es of nutrients etc etc etc. One important thing I believe are related to EMF exposure and the genotoxic effects (which can makeadrenal fatigue worse) is DNA methylation.
http://findarticles .com/p/articles/ mi_m0ISW/ is_262/ai_ n13675760/
http://edoc. unibas.ch/ 1026/

Ole

____________ _________ _________ __
From: svetaswan <svetaswan@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, 9 February, 2010 5:45:23
Subject: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Ian and everyone,

I haven't been a member of this group for very long - for this reason and because of my severe problems with "brain fog", I haven't had a chance to read many of the older messages. So excuse me if this is a repeat question ora "regurgitation" of things that have been much-discussed.

But there have been several posts since I've been here that have mentioned MCS and/or CFS, and how they are linked to electrosensitivity. Are people here of the belief that MCS and CFS are caused by or related to a condition known as "adrenal fatigue"? The "experts" cite adrenal fatigue as a root cause of these conditions - and, coincidentally (or not), I've had strong suspicions for at least a few years now that I'm a long-time sufferer of adrenal fatigue. I've taken a few saliva hormone tests and other tests to try toconfirm this, with mixed results (many of my results could be interpreted in a variety of ways - this hormone issue, at least for me, has not been cut-and-dry) . But mainly, I've tried to pay attention to my symptoms as a possible indicator of adrenal fatigue (you treat the patient, not lab results, right?).

The biggest/most troublesome symptom(s) I deal with are mental/emotional - such as an utter inability to handle stress. Even the "simplest" things produce a feeling of being "stressed out" - I seem to "decompensate" under themost mundane of stressors. My mental symptoms are such that my "shot" adrenals may be making too much adrenaline, and not enough cortisol (this problem may "start" with mis-signaling in the region of the brain responsible for sending messages to the adrenal glands). I've seen a few sources that claim that when your adrenals are "tired" or "shot", it may be unable to generate cortisol - and "overproduce" arenaline instead. The brain senses that not enough cortisol is being made - and continues to send out a hormone thatsignals for more cortisol to be made. The tired adrenals respond by generating adrenaline, and the vicious cycle continues.

At first I thought I didn't have much of a problem with MCS - but upon closer inspection, I do have a couple of problems that may point to some form of MCS. I seem to be quite sensitive to car exhaust fumes - I could be sitting in heavy traffic with the windows up, and still get nauseous and "foggy brained" from car exhaust fumes (I'm sensitive to these fumes in other ways, as well). Or I could be in a drive-thru line at a fast-food restaurant, and when I roll down the window to place my order - I have a hard time speaking because I'm "overcome" by exhaust fumes. And I seem to be quite sensitive to the smell of bleach (heavy-metal chelation "expert" Andy Cutler mentions this as a sign of MCS and/or heavy-metal toxicity).

Anyway, I have occassionally been visting adrenal/thyroid/ hormonal sites and messageboards - so adrenal fatigue had been a concept that I'd been pretty familiar with well-before my electrosensitivity "crisis" emerged. When Idiscovered this place and other sites that discuss electrosensitivity, I didn't expect to find discussions about MCS and (possibly) adrenal fatigue, but here I find myself reading about the same things that I've been trying to educate myself about for a few years now.

Sorry for rambling, but the point I'm trying to get at is that, in trying to deal with this electrosensitivity crisis - I feel like I've come full-circle, in a way. I find myself taken "back" to places that I started exploring a few years ago - adrenal-fatigue, "sluggish liver"/detox problems, etc. Maybe I should take this as further confirmation that I'm in the right ballpark in exploring my possible adrenal problems - my electrosensitivity could be another symptom of these problems.

~Svetaswan

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@ ...> wrote:
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Loni,

When I travel I have to do my homework and make phone calls. I try to get hotels that are not near EMS sources - cell towers, power lines, etc. We usually stay with the same hotel brand because they work for me. I do NOT stay at hotels with Wifi. Even if the brochure says no Wifi, I call to double check because that information can change quickly. I call ahead and request a room as far away from the electrical sources as possible and to request a green room (no chemical cleaning). I bring or ship my bedding. If we're staying for longer than a couple of days we get a room with a kitchen so I can prepare my own meals. We bring some of our own dish soap and wash detergent (in case we need to wash the towels).

We have run into bumps along the way. We have to let housekeeping know notto change our bedding, since we use allergy bedding. But one time we returned to the hotel late at night and they had changed our bedding and the hotel couldn't do anything about it until the next day. So, I hardly got anysleep that night and the next day the housekeeping staff had to go throughall the laundry to find our stuff. I had not labeled our bedding but I learned that would be a good idea.

Blessings to my daughter who gave my husband and I a gift certificate to a near by hotel for a "night away". She took it well when I told her we couldn't use the certificate because of all the work it is to travel especiallyfor just one night.

My husband has talked about opening a bed and breakfast (I own a small catering company now) in Park City, Utah when we retire. I said we should check into getting a grant to open up a place that specializes in being MCS andEMS friendly. I would suspect for most of us a place like that would be of interest. What do you think?

Also, what is QLink?

Good luck,

Jennie





________________________________
From: Loni <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 12:24:49 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

 
Jennie,
 
That is wonderful you can stay at a hotel. The Wifi doesn't bother you. I just can't tolerate hotels so traveling is not possible for me. But I haven't tried it yet since I have the QLink.
 
Loni

--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 11:08 AM

 

This post is in comment to Rixta's post on 2/6/10. Sorry for the delay but I'm sure you understand when I say I can only be on-line a limited amount per day and I haven't had the opportunity to open many posts recently.

You said you could not get away for a couple of week. I had been having some extreme reactions to EMS starting last spring , basically I could not sleep. I do not travel often. But in September I had two weekend where I needed to travel. I was concerned with how I would sleep - because who sleeps better in a hotel than at home? I slept better the nights I was in the hotel than I had for 5 months. It did not take me days to see the results of not being by a cell tower just one night.

For me I have found that I can relieve my EMS immediately by removing myself from the source of the electromagnetic field. But for Multiple Chemical Sensitivities it is not immediate because the toxins that have been introduced to my body need to work their way out.

Good luck,

Jennie

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Ole Alstrup <alstrup@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 10:21:28 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Swetasan,

I have had adrenal fatigue since 2006, but getting better through differentprotocols.
I dont know if the HPA axis does as you say with regards to adrenaline and cortisol, I never saw that described anywhere, although I was told by Dr James Wilson that when cortisol gets too low during an adrenal crash, adrenaline will try to take cortisol's place, bu I dont know the exact biochemistry around this.
To first check whether or not you have too high epinephrine= adrenaline and / or norepinephrine= noradrenaline or imbalances of other brain chemicals such as the primary neurotransmitters, have this checked with a urinarytest:
https://www. neurorelief. com/index. php?option= com_content& task=category& sectionid= 12&id=40& Itemid=46
Brainfog can be caused by so many things. bloodsugar, food allergies, livertoxicity, deficienci es of nutrients etc etc etc. One important thing I believe are related to EMF exposure and the genotoxic effects (which can makeadrenal fatigue worse) is DNA methylation.
http://findarticles .com/p/articles/ mi_m0ISW/ is_262/ai_ n13675760/
http://edoc. unibas.ch/ 1026/

Ole

____________ _________ _________ __
From: svetaswan <svetaswan@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, 9 February, 2010 5:45:23
Subject: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Ian and everyone,

I haven't been a member of this group for very long - for this reason and because of my severe problems with "brain fog", I haven't had a chance to read many of the older messages. So excuse me if this is a repeat question ora "regurgitation" of things that have been much-discussed.

But there have been several posts since I've been here that have mentioned MCS and/or CFS, and how they are linked to electrosensitivity. Are people here of the belief that MCS and CFS are caused by or related to a condition known as "adrenal fatigue"? The "experts" cite adrenal fatigue as a root cause of these conditions - and, coincidentally (or not), I've had strong suspicions for at least a few years now that I'm a long-time sufferer of adrenal fatigue. I've taken a few saliva hormone tests and other tests to try toconfirm this, with mixed results (many of my results could be interpreted in a variety of ways - this hormone issue, at least for me, has not been cut-and-dry) . But mainly, I've tried to pay attention to my symptoms as a possible indicator of adrenal fatigue (you treat the patient, not lab results, right?).

The biggest/most troublesome symptom(s) I deal with are mental/emotional - such as an utter inability to handle stress. Even the "simplest" things produce a feeling of being "stressed out" - I seem to "decompensate" under themost mundane of stressors. My mental symptoms are such that my "shot" adrenals may be making too much adrenaline, and not enough cortisol (this problem may "start" with mis-signaling in the region of the brain responsible for sending messages to the adrenal glands). I've seen a few sources that claim that when your adrenals are "tired" or "shot", it may be unable to generate cortisol - and "overproduce" arenaline instead. The brain senses that not enough cortisol is being made - and continues to send out a hormone thatsignals for more cortisol to be made. The tired adrenals respond by generating adrenaline, and the vicious cycle continues.

At first I thought I didn't have much of a problem with MCS - but upon closer inspection, I do have a couple of problems that may point to some form of MCS. I seem to be quite sensitive to car exhaust fumes - I could be sitting in heavy traffic with the windows up, and still get nauseous and "foggy brained" from car exhaust fumes (I'm sensitive to these fumes in other ways, as well). Or I could be in a drive-thru line at a fast-food restaurant, and when I roll down the window to place my order - I have a hard time speaking because I'm "overcome" by exhaust fumes. And I seem to be quite sensitive to the smell of bleach (heavy-metal chelation "expert" Andy Cutler mentions this as a sign of MCS and/or heavy-metal toxicity).

Anyway, I have occassionally been visting adrenal/thyroid/ hormonal sites and messageboards - so adrenal fatigue had been a concept that I'd been pretty familiar with well-before my electrosensitivity "crisis" emerged. When Idiscovered this place and other sites that discuss electrosensitivity, I didn't expect to find discussions about MCS and (possibly) adrenal fatigue, but here I find myself reading about the same things that I've been trying to educate myself about for a few years now.

Sorry for rambling, but the point I'm trying to get at is that, in trying to deal with this electrosensitivity crisis - I feel like I've come full-circle, in a way. I find myself taken "back" to places that I started exploring a few years ago - adrenal-fatigue, "sluggish liver"/detox problems, etc. Maybe I should take this as further confirmation that I'm in the right ballpark in exploring my possible adrenal problems - my electrosensitivity could be another symptom of these problems.

~Svetaswan

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@ ...> wrote:
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Ditto, although I might add its becoming increasingly impossible to find wifi free hotels these days. Most seem to think that its the must have requirement for every modern visitor/traveller- and promote it as some kind of divinely blessed perk.I usually ring in advance and request a room miles away from the main source, and most are willing to oblige, except on one ferry from Italy to Greece last year,stuck out in the middle of the ocean on a 24 hr voyage, I realised they had wified the whole boat. Arriving in Athens wifi turned out to be the least of my problems because the hotel I stayed had large flat screen HD Tv's in every one of its 300 + rooms. The future does not look promising.
 
 
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From: Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, 14 February, 2010, 16:59


 



Loni,

When I travel I have to do my homework and make phone calls. I try to get hotels that are not near EMS sources - cell towers, power lines, etc. We usually stay with the same hotel brand because they work for me. I do NOT stayat hotels with Wifi. Even if the brochure says no Wifi, I call to double check because that information can change quickly. I call ahead and request a room as far away from the electrical sources as possible and to request agreen room (no chemical cleaning). I bring or ship my bedding. If we're staying for longer than a couple of days we get a room with a kitchen so I can prepare my own meals. We bring some of our own dish soap and wash detergent (in case we need to wash the towels).

We have run into bumps along the way. We have to let housekeeping know not to change our bedding, since we use allergy bedding. But one time we returned to the hotel late at night and they had changed our bedding and the hotel couldn't do anything about it until the next day. So, I hardly got any sleep that night and the next day the housekeeping staff had to go through all the laundry to find our stuff. I had not labeled our bedding but I learned that would be a good idea.

Blessings to my daughter who gave my husband and I a gift certificate to a near by hotel for a "night away". She took it well when I told her we couldn't use the certificate because of all the work it is to travel especially for just one night.

My husband has talked about opening a bed and breakfast (I own a small catering company now) in Park City, Utah when we retire. I said we should checkinto getting a grant to open up a place that specializes in being MCS and EMS friendly. I would suspect for most of us a place like that would be of interest. What do you think?

Also, what is QLink?

Good luck,

Jennie

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 12:24:49 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Jennie,

That is wonderful you can stay at a hotel. The Wifi doesn't bother you. I just can't tolerate hotels so traveling is not possible for me. But I haven't tried it yet since I have the QLink.

Loni

--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 11:08 AM

This post is in comment to Rixta's post on 2/6/10. Sorry for the delay but I'm sure you understand when I say I can only be on-line a limited amount per day and I haven't had the opportunity to open many posts recently.

You said you could not get away for a couple of week. I had been having some extreme reactions to EMS starting last spring , basically I could not sleep. I do not travel often. But in September I had two weekend where I needed to travel. I was concerned with how I would sleep - because who sleeps better in a hotel than at home? I slept better the nights I was in the hotel than I had for 5 months. It did not take me days to see the results of not being by a cell tower just one night.

For me I have found that I can relieve my EMS immediately by removing myself from the source of the electromagnetic field. But for Multiple Chemical Sensitivities it is not immediate because the toxins that have been introduced to my body need to work their way out.

Good luck,

Jennie

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Ole Alstrup <alstrup@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 10:21:28 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Swetasan,

I have had adrenal fatigue since 2006, but getting better through differentprotocols.
I dont know if the HPA axis does as you say with regards to adrenaline and cortisol, I never saw that described anywhere, although I was told by Dr James Wilson that when cortisol gets too low during an adrenal crash, adrenaline will try to take cortisol's place, bu I dont know the exact biochemistry around this.
To first check whether or not you have too high epinephrine= adrenaline and / or norepinephrine= noradrenaline or imbalances of other brain chemicals such as the primary neurotransmitters, have this checked with a urinarytest:
https://www. neurorelief. com/index. php?option= com_content& task=category& sectionid= 12&id=40& Itemid=46
Brainfog can be caused by so many things. bloodsugar, food allergies, livertoxicity, deficienci es of nutrients etc etc etc. One important thing I believe are related to EMF exposure and the genotoxic effects (which can makeadrenal fatigue worse) is DNA methylation.
http://findarticles .com/p/articles/ mi_m0ISW/ is_262/ai_ n13675760/
http://edoc. unibas.ch/ 1026/

Ole

____________ _________ _________ __
From: svetaswan <svetaswan@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, 9 February, 2010 5:45:23
Subject: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Ian and everyone,

I haven't been a member of this group for very long - for this reason and because of my severe problems with "brain fog", I haven't had a chance to read many of the older messages. So excuse me if this is a repeat question ora "regurgitation" of things that have been much-discussed.

But there have been several posts since I've been here that have mentioned MCS and/or CFS, and how they are linked to electrosensitivity. Are people here of the belief that MCS and CFS are caused by or related to a condition known as "adrenal fatigue"? The "experts" cite adrenal fatigue as a root cause of these conditions - and, coincidentally (or not), I've had strong suspicions for at least a few years now that I'm a long-time sufferer of adrenal fatigue. I've taken a few saliva hormone tests and other tests to try toconfirm this, with mixed results (many of my results could be interpreted in a variety of ways - this hormone issue, at least for me, has not been cut-and-dry) . But mainly, I've tried to pay attention to my symptoms as a possible indicator of adrenal fatigue (you treat the patient, not lab results, right?).

The biggest/most troublesome symptom(s) I deal with are mental/emotional - such as an utter inability to handle stress. Even the "simplest" things produce a feeling of being "stressed out" - I seem to "decompensate" under themost mundane of stressors. My mental symptoms are such that my "shot" adrenals may be making too much adrenaline, and not enough cortisol (this problem may "start" with mis-signaling in the region of the brain responsible for sending messages to the adrenal glands). I've seen a few sources that claim that when your adrenals are "tired" or "shot", it may be unable to generate cortisol - and "overproduce" arenaline instead. The brain senses that not enough cortisol is being made - and continues to send out a hormone thatsignals for more cortisol to be made. The tired adrenals respond by generating adrenaline, and the vicious cycle continues.

At first I thought I didn't have much of a problem with MCS - but upon closer inspection, I do have a couple of problems that may point to some form of MCS. I seem to be quite sensitive to car exhaust fumes - I could be sitting in heavy traffic with the windows up, and still get nauseous and "foggy brained" from car exhaust fumes (I'm sensitive to these fumes in other ways, as well). Or I could be in a drive-thru line at a fast-food restaurant, and when I roll down the window to place my order - I have a hard time speaking because I'm "overcome" by exhaust fumes. And I seem to be quite sensitive to the smell of bleach (heavy-metal chelation "expert" Andy Cutler mentions this as a sign of MCS and/or heavy-metal toxicity).

Anyway, I have occassionally been visting adrenal/thyroid/ hormonal sites and messageboards - so adrenal fatigue had been a concept that I'd been pretty familiar with well-before my electrosensitivity "crisis" emerged. When Idiscovered this place and other sites that discuss electrosensitivity, I didn't expect to find discussions about MCS and (possibly) adrenal fatigue, but here I find myself reading about the same things that I've been trying to educate myself about for a few years now.

Sorry for rambling, but the point I'm trying to get at is that, in trying to deal with this electrosensitivity crisis - I feel like I've come full-circle, in a way. I find myself taken "back" to places that I started exploring a few years ago - adrenal-fatigue, "sluggish liver"/detox problems, etc. Maybe I should take this as further confirmation that I'm in the right ballpark in exploring my possible adrenal problems - my electrosensitivity could be another symptom of these problems.

~Svetaswan

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Yes, I agree. Businesses and consumers are buying into the convenience of new technologies.  

When I stay in a hotel I ask for a room at the end of the hallway on the top floor opposite where the electricity/cable come into the building. I figure the less rooms around mine the less ambient EME I have to be exposed to. In my room I disconnect my TV, Cable and any extra electronic equipment from the wall. I bring my small portable DVD player to play DVDs. If we are staying somewhere within driving distance I bring my portable kitchen TVwhich for some reason does not effect as much as most TVs.

When we are traveling by car for a distance I will sit in the back so I have less exposure to EME. And if I am flying and having a hard time I will take a Benedryl to help me sleep. I know my body is still in distress but at I can sleep through it.

 
s





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From: adaiye <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 7:42:38 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

 


Ditto, although I might add its becoming increasingl y impossible to find wifi free hotels these days. Most seem to think that its the must have requirement for every modern visitor/traveller- and promote it as some kind of divinely blessed perk. I usually ring in advance and request a room miles away from the main source, and most are willing to oblige, except on one ferry from Italy to Greece last year,stuck out in the middle of the ocean on a 24 hr voyage, I realised they had wified the whole boat. Arriving in Athenswifi turned out to be the least of my problems because the hotel I stayed had large flat screen HD Tv's in every one of its 300 + rooms. The future does not look promising.
 
 
Ad
--- On Sun, 14/2/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 14 February, 2010, 16:59

 

Loni,

When I travel I have to do my homework and make phone calls. I try to get hotels that are not near EMS sources - cell towers, power lines, etc. We usually stay with the same hotel brand because they work for me. I do NOT stayat hotels with Wifi. Even if the brochure says no Wifi, I call to double check because that information can change quickly. I call ahead and request a room as far away from the electrical sources as possible and to request agreen room (no chemical cleaning). I bring or ship my bedding. If we're staying for longer than a couple of days we get a room with a kitchen so I can prepare my own meals. We bring some of our own dish soap and wash detergent (in case we need to wash the towels).

We have run into bumps along the way. We have to let housekeeping know not to change our bedding, since we use allergy bedding. But one time we returned to the hotel late at night and they had changed our bedding and the hotel couldn't do anything about it until the next day. So, I hardly got any sleep that night and the next day the housekeeping staff had to go through all the laundry to find our stuff. I had not labeled our bedding but I learned that would be a good idea.

Blessings to my daughter who gave my husband and I a gift certificate to a near by hotel for a "night away". She took it well when I told her we couldn't use the certificate because of all the work it is to travel especially for just one night.

My husband has talked about opening a bed and breakfast (I own a small catering company now) in Park City, Utah when we retire. I said we should checkinto getting a grant to open up a place that specializes in being MCS and EMS friendly. I would suspect for most of us a place like that would be of interest. What do you think?

Also, what is QLink?

Good luck,

Jennie

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 12:24:49 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Jennie,

That is wonderful you can stay at a hotel. The Wifi doesn't bother you. I just can't tolerate hotels so traveling is not possible for me. But I haven't tried it yet since I have the QLink.

Loni

--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 11:08 AM

This post is in comment to Rixta's post on 2/6/10. Sorry for the delay but I'm sure you understand when I say I can only be on-line a limited amount per day and I haven't had the opportunity to open many posts recently.

You said you could not get away for a couple of week. I had been having some extreme reactions to EMS starting last spring , basically I could not sleep. I do not travel often. But in September I had two weekend where I needed to travel. I was concerned with how I would sleep - because who sleeps better in a hotel than at home? I slept better the nights I was in the hotel than I had for 5 months. It did not take me days to see the results of not being by a cell tower just one night.

For me I have found that I can relieve my EMS immediately by removing myself from the source of the electromagnetic field. But for Multiple Chemical Sensitivities it is not immediate because the toxins that have been introduced to my body need to work their way out.

Good luck,

Jennie

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Ole Alstrup <alstrup@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 10:21:28 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Swetasan,

I have had adrenal fatigue since 2006, but getting better through differentprotocols.
I dont know if the HPA axis does as you say with regards to adrenaline and cortisol, I never saw that described anywhere, although I was told by Dr James Wilson that when cortisol gets too low during an adrenal crash, adrenaline will try to take cortisol's place, bu I dont know the exact biochemistry around this.
To first check whether or not you have too high epinephrine= adrenaline and / or norepinephrine= noradrenaline or imbalances of other brain chemicals such as the primary neurotransmitters, have this checked with a urinarytest:
https://www. neurorelief. com/index. php?option= com_content& task=category& sectionid= 12&id=40& Itemid=46
Brainfog can be caused by so many things. bloodsugar, food allergies, livertoxicity, deficienci es of nutrients etc etc etc. One important thing I believe are related to EMF exposure and the genotoxic effects (which can makeadrenal fatigue worse) is DNA methylation.
http://findarticles .com/p/articles/ mi_m0ISW/ is_262/ai_ n13675760/
http://edoc. unibas.ch/ 1026/

Ole

____________ _________ _________ __
From: svetaswan <svetaswan@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, 9 February, 2010 5:45:23
Subject: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Ian and everyone,

I haven't been a member of this group for very long - for this reason and because of my severe problems with "brain fog", I haven't had a chance to read many of the older messages. So excuse me if this is a repeat question ora "regurgitation" of things that have been much-discussed.

But there have been several posts since I've been here that have mentioned MCS and/or CFS, and how they are linked to electrosensitivity. Are people here of the belief that MCS and CFS are caused by or related to a condition known as "adrenal fatigue"? The "experts" cite adrenal fatigue as a root cause of these conditions - and, coincidentally (or not), I've had strong suspicions for at least a few years now that I'm a long-time sufferer of adrenal fatigue. I've taken a few saliva hormone tests and other tests to try toconfirm this, with mixed results (many of my results could be interpreted in a variety of ways - this hormone issue, at least for me, has not been cut-and-dry) . But mainly, I've tried to pay attention to my symptoms as a possible indicator of adrenal fatigue (you treat the patient, not lab results, right?).

The biggest/most troublesome symptom(s) I deal with are mental/emotional - such as an utter inability to handle stress. Even the "simplest" things produce a feeling of being "stressed out" - I seem to "decompensate" under themost mundane of stressors. My mental symptoms are such that my "shot" adrenals may be making too much adrenaline, and not enough cortisol (this problem may "start" with mis-signaling in the region of the brain responsible for sending messages to the adrenal glands). I've seen a few sources that claim that when your adrenals are "tired" or "shot", it may be unable to generate cortisol - and "overproduce" arenaline instead. The brain senses that not enough cortisol is being made - and continues to send out a hormone thatsignals for more cortisol to be made. The tired adrenals respond by generating adrenaline, and the vicious cycle continues.

At first I thought I didn't have much of a problem with MCS - but upon closer inspection, I do have a couple of problems that may point to some form of MCS. I seem to be quite sensitive to car exhaust fumes - I could be sitting in heavy traffic with the windows up, and still get nauseous and "foggy brained" from car exhaust fumes (I'm sensitive to these fumes in other ways, as well). Or I could be in a drive-thru line at a fast-food restaurant, and when I roll down the window to place my order - I have a hard time speaking because I'm "overcome" by exhaust fumes. And I seem to be quite sensitive to the smell of bleach (heavy-metal chelation "expert" Andy Cutler mentions this as a sign of MCS and/or heavy-metal toxicity).

Anyway, I have occassionally been visting adrenal/thyroid/ hormonal sites and messageboards - so adrenal fatigue had been a concept that I'd been pretty familiar with well-before my electrosensitivity "crisis" emerged. When Idiscovered this place and other sites that discuss electrosensitivity, I didn't expect to find discussions about MCS and (possibly) adrenal fatigue, but here I find myself reading about the same things that I've been trying to educate myself about for a few years now.

Sorry for rambling, but the point I'm trying to get at is that, in trying to deal with this electrosensitivity crisis - I feel like I've come full-circle, in a way. I find myself taken "back" to places that I started exploring a few years ago - adrenal-fatigue, "sluggish liver"/detox problems, etc. Maybe I should take this as further confirmation that I'm in the right ballpark in exploring my possible adrenal problems - my electrosensitivity could be another symptom of these problems.

~Svetaswan

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@ ...> wrote:
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Hi Jennie,
 
Great idea for the Bed & Breakfast. To make money you might not be able to limit it to MCS & ES guests however. I love the idea & would come. Really hard to go to a mainstream hotel as you know. The thing about calling ahead about electrical issues; I find that people on the other line don't understand what you are talking about. Very frustrating.
 
QLink is a pendant with SRT Technology (Sympathetic Resonance Technology)  www.QLinkProducts.com . It balances & strengthens your Biofield. Youmust have missed a bunch of emails in the last month or so regarding it.
 
I hadn't been able to sleep in my house (2 years since lived here) because of the cell towers near by until the QLink. Had to go down to the park 7 miles away & camp every night. Was horrible & really safe you know?!
 
There is a video (London) on how it effects the blood if you google it.   Loni
 


--- On Sat, 2/13/10, Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 10:59 PM


 



Loni,

When I travel I have to do my homework and make phone calls. I try to get hotels that are not near EMS sources - cell towers, power lines, etc. We usually stay with the same hotel brand because they work for me. I do NOT stayat hotels with Wifi. Even if the brochure says no Wifi, I call to double check because that information can change quickly. I call ahead and request a room as far away from the electrical sources as possible and to request agreen room (no chemical cleaning). I bring or ship my bedding. If we're staying for longer than a couple of days we get a room with a kitchen so I can prepare my own meals. We bring some of our own dish soap and wash detergent (in case we need to wash the towels).

We have run into bumps along the way. We have to let housekeeping know not to change our bedding, since we use allergy bedding. But one time we returned to the hotel late at night and they had changed our bedding and the hotel couldn't do anything about it until the next day. So, I hardly got any sleep that night and the next day the housekeeping staff had to go through all the laundry to find our stuff. I had not labeled our bedding but I learned that would be a good idea.

Blessings to my daughter who gave my husband and I a gift certificate to a near by hotel for a "night away". She took it well when I told her we couldn't use the certificate because of all the work it is to travel especially for just one night.

My husband has talked about opening a bed and breakfast (I own a small catering company now) in Park City, Utah when we retire. I said we should checkinto getting a grant to open up a place that specializes in being MCS and EMS friendly. I would suspect for most of us a place like that would be of interest. What do you think?

Also, what is QLink?

Good luck,

Jennie

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 12:24:49 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Jennie,

That is wonderful you can stay at a hotel. The Wifi doesn't bother you. I just can't tolerate hotels so traveling is not possible for me. But I haven't tried it yet since I have the QLink.

Loni

--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 11:08 AM

This post is in comment to Rixta's post on 2/6/10. Sorry for the delay but I'm sure you understand when I say I can only be on-line a limited amount per day and I haven't had the opportunity to open many posts recently.

You said you could not get away for a couple of week. I had been having some extreme reactions to EMS starting last spring , basically I could not sleep. I do not travel often. But in September I had two weekend where I needed to travel. I was concerned with how I would sleep - because who sleeps better in a hotel than at home? I slept better the nights I was in the hotel than I had for 5 months. It did not take me days to see the results of not being by a cell tower just one night.

For me I have found that I can relieve my EMS immediately by removing myself from the source of the electromagnetic field. But for Multiple Chemical Sensitivities it is not immediate because the toxins that have been introduced to my body need to work their way out.

Good luck,

Jennie

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Ole Alstrup <alstrup@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 10:21:28 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Swetasan,

I have had adrenal fatigue since 2006, but getting better through differentprotocols.
I dont know if the HPA axis does as you say with regards to adrenaline and cortisol, I never saw that described anywhere, although I was told by Dr James Wilson that when cortisol gets too low during an adrenal crash, adrenaline will try to take cortisol's place, bu I dont know the exact biochemistry around this.
To first check whether or not you have too high epinephrine= adrenaline and / or norepinephrine= noradrenaline or imbalances of other brain chemicals such as the primary neurotransmitters, have this checked with a urinarytest:
https://www. neurorelief. com/index. php?option= com_content& task=category& sectionid= 12&id=40& Itemid=46
Brainfog can be caused by so many things. bloodsugar, food allergies, livertoxicity, deficienci es of nutrients etc etc etc. One important thing I believe are related to EMF exposure and the genotoxic effects (which can makeadrenal fatigue worse) is DNA methylation.
http://findarticles .com/p/articles/ mi_m0ISW/ is_262/ai_ n13675760/
http://edoc. unibas.ch/ 1026/

Ole

____________ _________ _________ __
From: svetaswan <svetaswan@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, 9 February, 2010 5:45:23
Subject: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Ian and everyone,

I haven't been a member of this group for very long - for this reason and because of my severe problems with "brain fog", I haven't had a chance to read many of the older messages. So excuse me if this is a repeat question ora "regurgitation" of things that have been much-discussed.

But there have been several posts since I've been here that have mentioned MCS and/or CFS, and how they are linked to electrosensitivity. Are people here of the belief that MCS and CFS are caused by or related to a condition known as "adrenal fatigue"? The "experts" cite adrenal fatigue as a root cause of these conditions - and, coincidentally (or not), I've had strong suspicions for at least a few years now that I'm a long-time sufferer of adrenal fatigue. I've taken a few saliva hormone tests and other tests to try toconfirm this, with mixed results (many of my results could be interpreted in a variety of ways - this hormone issue, at least for me, has not been cut-and-dry) . But mainly, I've tried to pay attention to my symptoms as a possible indicator of adrenal fatigue (you treat the patient, not lab results, right?).

The biggest/most troublesome symptom(s) I deal with are mental/emotional - such as an utter inability to handle stress. Even the "simplest" things produce a feeling of being "stressed out" - I seem to "decompensate" under themost mundane of stressors. My mental symptoms are such that my "shot" adrenals may be making too much adrenaline, and not enough cortisol (this problem may "start" with mis-signaling in the region of the brain responsible for sending messages to the adrenal glands). I've seen a few sources that claim that when your adrenals are "tired" or "shot", it may be unable to generate cortisol - and "overproduce" arenaline instead. The brain senses that not enough cortisol is being made - and continues to send out a hormone thatsignals for more cortisol to be made. The tired adrenals respond by generating adrenaline, and the vicious cycle continues.

At first I thought I didn't have much of a problem with MCS - but upon closer inspection, I do have a couple of problems that may point to some form of MCS. I seem to be quite sensitive to car exhaust fumes - I could be sitting in heavy traffic with the windows up, and still get nauseous and "foggy brained" from car exhaust fumes (I'm sensitive to these fumes in other ways, as well). Or I could be in a drive-thru line at a fast-food restaurant, and when I roll down the window to place my order - I have a hard time speaking because I'm "overcome" by exhaust fumes. And I seem to be quite sensitive to the smell of bleach (heavy-metal chelation "expert" Andy Cutler mentions this as a sign of MCS and/or heavy-metal toxicity).

Anyway, I have occassionally been visting adrenal/thyroid/ hormonal sites and messageboards - so adrenal fatigue had been a concept that I'd been pretty familiar with well-before my electrosensitivity "crisis" emerged. When Idiscovered this place and other sites that discuss electrosensitivity, I didn't expect to find discussions about MCS and (possibly) adrenal fatigue, but here I find myself reading about the same things that I've been trying to educate myself about for a few years now.

Sorry for rambling, but the point I'm trying to get at is that, in trying to deal with this electrosensitivity crisis - I feel like I've come full-circle, in a way. I find myself taken "back" to places that I started exploring a few years ago - adrenal-fatigue, "sluggish liver"/detox problems, etc. Maybe I should take this as further confirmation that I'm in the right ballpark in exploring my possible adrenal problems - my electrosensitivity could be another symptom of these problems.

~Svetaswan

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The more people call and request NO WIFI the better. Maybe there will be change. Loni

--- On Sun, 2/14/10, Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 7:07 AM


 



Yes, I agree. Businesses and consumers are buying into the convenience of new technologies.

When I stay in a hotel I ask for a room at the end of the hallway on the top floor opposite where the electricity/ cable come into the building. I figure the less rooms around mine the less ambient EME I have to be exposed to. In my room I disconnect my TV, Cable and any extra electronic equipment from the wall. I bring my small portable DVD player to play DVDs. If we are staying somewhere within driving distance I bring my portable kitchen TV which for some reason does not effect as much as most TVs.

When we are traveling by car for a distance I will sit in the back so I have less exposure to EME. And if I am flying and having a hard time I will take a Benedryl to help me sleep. I know my body is still in distress but at I can sleep through it.

s

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From: adaiye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 7:42:38 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Ditto, although I might add its becoming increasingl y impossible to find wifi free hotels these days. Most seem to think that its the must have requirement for every modern visitor/traveller- and promote it as some kind of divinely blessed perk. I usually ring in advance and request a room miles away from the main source, and most are willing to oblige, except on one ferry from Italy to Greece last year,stuck out in the middle of the ocean on a 24 hr voyage, I realised they had wified the whole boat. Arriving in Athenswifi turned out to be the least of my problems because the hotel I stayed had large flat screen HD Tv's in every one of its 300 + rooms. The future does not look promising.


Ad
--- On Sun, 14/2/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 14 February, 2010, 16:59

Loni,

When I travel I have to do my homework and make phone calls. I try to get hotels that are not near EMS sources - cell towers, power lines, etc. We usually stay with the same hotel brand because they work for me. I do NOT stayat hotels with Wifi. Even if the brochure says no Wifi, I call to double check because that information can change quickly. I call ahead and request a room as far away from the electrical sources as possible and to request agreen room (no chemical cleaning). I bring or ship my bedding. If we're staying for longer than a couple of days we get a room with a kitchen so I can prepare my own meals. We bring some of our own dish soap and wash detergent (in case we need to wash the towels).

We have run into bumps along the way. We have to let housekeeping know not to change our bedding, since we use allergy bedding. But one time we returned to the hotel late at night and they had changed our bedding and the hotel couldn't do anything about it until the next day. So, I hardly got any sleep that night and the next day the housekeeping staff had to go through all the laundry to find our stuff. I had not labeled our bedding but I learned that would be a good idea.

Blessings to my daughter who gave my husband and I a gift certificate to a near by hotel for a "night away". She took it well when I told her we couldn't use the certificate because of all the work it is to travel especially for just one night.

My husband has talked about opening a bed and breakfast (I own a small catering company now) in Park City, Utah when we retire. I said we should checkinto getting a grant to open up a place that specializes in being MCS and EMS friendly. I would suspect for most of us a place like that would be of interest. What do you think?

Also, what is QLink?

Good luck,

Jennie

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From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 12:24:49 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Jennie,

That is wonderful you can stay at a hotel. The Wifi doesn't bother you. I just can't tolerate hotels so traveling is not possible for me. But I haven't tried it yet since I have the QLink.

Loni

--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 11:08 AM

This post is in comment to Rixta's post on 2/6/10. Sorry for the delay but I'm sure you understand when I say I can only be on-line a limited amount per day and I haven't had the opportunity to open many posts recently.

You said you could not get away for a couple of week. I had been having some extreme reactions to EMS starting last spring , basically I could not sleep. I do not travel often. But in September I had two weekend where I needed to travel. I was concerned with how I would sleep - because who sleeps better in a hotel than at home? I slept better the nights I was in the hotel than I had for 5 months. It did not take me days to see the results of not being by a cell tower just one night.

For me I have found that I can relieve my EMS immediately by removing myself from the source of the electromagnetic field. But for Multiple Chemical Sensitivities it is not immediate because the toxins that have been introduced to my body need to work their way out.

Good luck,

Jennie

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From: Ole Alstrup <alstrup@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 10:21:28 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Swetasan,

I have had adrenal fatigue since 2006, but getting better through differentprotocols.
I dont know if the HPA axis does as you say with regards to adrenaline and cortisol, I never saw that described anywhere, although I was told by Dr James Wilson that when cortisol gets too low during an adrenal crash, adrenaline will try to take cortisol's place, bu I dont know the exact biochemistry around this.
To first check whether or not you have too high epinephrine= adrenaline and / or norepinephrine= noradrenaline or imbalances of other brain chemicals such as the primary neurotransmitters, have this checked with a urinarytest:
https://www. neurorelief. com/index. php?option= com_content& task=category& sectionid= 12&id=40& Itemid=46
Brainfog can be caused by so many things. bloodsugar, food allergies, livertoxicity, deficienci es of nutrients etc etc etc. One important thing I believe are related to EMF exposure and the genotoxic effects (which can makeadrenal fatigue worse) is DNA methylation.
http://findarticles .com/p/articles/ mi_m0ISW/ is_262/ai_ n13675760/
http://edoc. unibas.ch/ 1026/

Ole

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From: svetaswan <svetaswan@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, 9 February, 2010 5:45:23
Subject: [eSens] Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Ian and everyone,

I haven't been a member of this group for very long - for this reason and because of my severe problems with "brain fog", I haven't had a chance to read many of the older messages. So excuse me if this is a repeat question ora "regurgitation" of things that have been much-discussed.

But there have been several posts since I've been here that have mentioned MCS and/or CFS, and how they are linked to electrosensitivity. Are people here of the belief that MCS and CFS are caused by or related to a condition known as "adrenal fatigue"? The "experts" cite adrenal fatigue as a root cause of these conditions - and, coincidentally (or not), I've had strong suspicions for at least a few years now that I'm a long-time sufferer of adrenal fatigue. I've taken a few saliva hormone tests and other tests to try toconfirm this, with mixed results (many of my results could be interpreted in a variety of ways - this hormone issue, at least for me, has not been cut-and-dry) . But mainly, I've tried to pay attention to my symptoms as a possible indicator of adrenal fatigue (you treat the patient, not lab results, right?).

The biggest/most troublesome symptom(s) I deal with are mental/emotional - such as an utter inability to handle stress. Even the "simplest" things produce a feeling of being "stressed out" - I seem to "decompensate" under themost mundane of stressors. My mental symptoms are such that my "shot" adrenals may be making too much adrenaline, and not enough cortisol (this problem may "start" with mis-signaling in the region of the brain responsible for sending messages to the adrenal glands). I've seen a few sources that claim that when your adrenals are "tired" or "shot", it may be unable to generate cortisol - and "overproduce" arenaline instead. The brain senses that not enough cortisol is being made - and continues to send out a hormone thatsignals for more cortisol to be made. The tired adrenals respond by generating adrenaline, and the vicious cycle continues.

At first I thought I didn't have much of a problem with MCS - but upon closer inspection, I do have a couple of problems that may point to some form of MCS. I seem to be quite sensitive to car exhaust fumes - I could be sitting in heavy traffic with the windows up, and still get nauseous and "foggy brained" from car exhaust fumes (I'm sensitive to these fumes in other ways, as well). Or I could be in a drive-thru line at a fast-food restaurant, and when I roll down the window to place my order - I have a hard time speaking because I'm "overcome" by exhaust fumes. And I seem to be quite sensitive to the smell of bleach (heavy-metal chelation "expert" Andy Cutler mentions this as a sign of MCS and/or heavy-metal toxicity).

Anyway, I have occassionally been visting adrenal/thyroid/ hormonal sites and messageboards - so adrenal fatigue had been a concept that I'd been pretty familiar with well-before my electrosensitivity "crisis" emerged. When Idiscovered this place and other sites that discuss electrosensitivity, I didn't expect to find discussions about MCS and (possibly) adrenal fatigue, but here I find myself reading about the same things that I've been trying to educate myself about for a few years now.

Sorry for rambling, but the point I'm trying to get at is that, in trying to deal with this electrosensitivity crisis - I feel like I've come full-circle, in a way. I find myself taken "back" to places that I started exploring a few years ago - adrenal-fatigue, "sluggish liver"/detox problems, etc. Maybe I should take this as further confirmation that I'm in the right ballpark in exploring my possible adrenal problems - my electrosensitivity could be another symptom of these problems.

~Svetaswan

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