Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS
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I've just read Charles' message in Digest 1931 where he says that what I
shared about dowsing for geopathic stress is bullshit. He goes on to say "Btw. I wonder how Shivani checks homes for dirty electricity / electrosmog. With her rods? No more the Stetzerizer meter?" Why would I use rods to check circuits when the Stetzerizer surgemeter, designed specifically to do that, does a great job? And why would I try to use rods, or a Stetzerizer surgemeter, to check for electrosmog? Charles surely knows that a surgemeter would not be helpful here, I use the Electrosmog Detector, as Charles probably knows. I hope Charles is not in such a snarky mood today, as I would like to ask him a question. What meters are best for members of the general public to purchase to check their homes for electric fields characterized by frequencies associated with ES symptoms? Especially important to have a meter that can distinguish such electric fields from those that are only 50/60 Hz. Of course, anyone, not just Charles, may recommend his/her favored meters for this task. Regards, Shivani Arjuna www.LifeEnergies.com . ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Well, I have placed soem recommendations on:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina112a.html There are probably not many persons who have such a large amount of different meters as I have. The Electrosmog detector is nice, but I find that it starts at a too high level. Of all my meters I am unseparatable with my Esmog Spion. It is not a real meter, but a detector. There are some antennas with it, but I use it mainly without any antenna. It gives me an instant impression of any situation, because I can hear instantly what is going on. Extra with the Esmog Spion is the fact, that it not only can measure high frequencies, but also lowfrequencies. It has an incorporated telescopic antenna, and with that you can find *dirty power* in space !! I use it also for checking LCD television sets in shops. It gives a good indication which types are bad or not. That way you may know which types are unsuitable, but it is not a garantuee that the others are fine. I bought a 26" Acer computer monitor, which was fine at the moment. But at home, I found heavy peaks at 4.5 MHz. They do not hinder me, but they are present. Read about it in the September 2008 issues of *het bitje*, in which I described measurements with some filters for *dirty power*. The Esmog Spion is described in the May 2006 issue of *het bitje*. Both are also in english. There, also the Profi Spion is described. The difference is, that it has a BNC bus on which you can mount other antennas, like my favourite Ball antenna. With that I detect often heavy radiowaves, which are common with metal surfaces, like aluminium windows and metal gutters, which should than be grounded. Listen also to my sound samples of different elektrosmog sources. It may help you also with other meters which let you hear the modulations. It is also my opinion, that the influence of VLF radiation is underestimated. Many electrosensibles do have problems with them, mainly from television sets, and certainly when they use digital signals. But also from 12/24 V halogen lamps. I even encountered a nice Harman Kardon stereo set, which emitted VLF up to 5 meters away. I do not advice demand switches, because they emit heavy dirty power, also in space. Only those that are radiocontrolled are advisable. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Bitdefender ----- Original Message ----- From: <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:14 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS > I've just read Charles' message in Digest 1931 where he says that what I > shared about dowsing for geopathic stress is bullshit. He goes on to > say "Btw. > I wonder how Shivani checks homes for dirty electricity / electrosmog. > With > her rods? No more the Stetzerizer meter?" > > Why would I use rods to check circuits when the Stetzerizer surgemeter, > designed specifically to do that, does a great job? > And why would I try to use rods, or a Stetzerizer surgemeter, to check for > electrosmog? Charles surely knows that a surgemeter would not be helpful > here, > I use the Electrosmog Detector, as Charles probably knows. > > I hope Charles is not in such a snarky mood today, as I would like to ask > him > a question. What meters are best for members of the general public to > purchase to check their homes for electric fields characterized by > frequencies > associated with ES symptoms? Especially important to have a meter that > can > distinguish such electric fields from those that are only 50/60 Hz. > > Of course, anyone, not just Charles, may recommend his/her favored meters > for > this task. > > Regards, > Shivani Arjuna > www.LifeEnergies.com > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS
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> What meters are best for members of the general public to
> purchase to check their homes for electric fields characterized by frequencies > associated with ES symptoms? Especially important to have a meter that can > distinguish such electric fields from those that are only 50/60 Hz. Hi Shivani, When you say "general public" I assume you means low cost and very simple? No such meter exists for e-field frequency analysis. The Professional Combination Meter http://www.lessemf.com/combi.html#482 is good for checking different frequency ranges (electric and magnetic field). As an alternative for more sophisticated frequency analysis, you could use the Electric field Probe http://www.lessemf.com/electric.html#182 connected to an oscilloscope http://www.lessemf.com/probe.html#435 or spectrum analyzer http://www.lessemf.com/probe.html#466 There is also the SPECTRAN Low Frequency meters http://www.lessemf.com/combi.html#132, but they are quite complicated to use. Emil |
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In Digest #1902 Evie wrote:
"I had my property checked and no geopathic zones were found there. Still can't sleep there and have emfs, tho." Two possibilities come to mind: 1) The dowser wasn't accurate. 2) There may be other reasons why you don't sleep well, there, such as electrosmog or ground currents (Electrons on their way home to their substation, about 80% of which, in some parts of the USA, do so via the earth.) Did you check for those? Shivani Arjuna www.LifeEnergies.com . ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Thanks, Shivani,
It could be either problem you mention--the dowser was wrong or ground currents/electrosmog exist. We found out months after we bought that house, while we were doing renovations, that there is a small telephone "switching station" about 8 feet beyond our property line hidden in shrubs on the nextdoor neighbor's property. (Hard to tell what we still don't know thatexists there!) This switching station is only about 20 to 25 feet from the bedroom I was using. When it gets warmer, we are going to try moving there again, totally "off-grid" electrically, to see what my reactions are and I am going to try another bedroom. I have a few questions tho.... If we are totally off-grid and I am still reacting there, are there remediations, or is this a sure sign this house will not work for me? (Or a clue the possible remediations would not be worth the effort?) Can ground currents from this switching station (orother sources) be dealt with effectively? For instance, (not that it would be feasible from a cost standpoint) could you redirect the ground currents around your property in some way with buried rods or pipes? Are there ways to create smaller scale diversions? (I welcome suggestions from anyone on these subjects.) Same with electrosmog--the only diversion I know is evergreen trees. Do tree roots also help with ground currents (or make them worse)? I have looked for info like this online but cannot find it--theories but no hard facts. We have been discussing "emf transformers" to add to your house wiring. But are there other electrosmog remediations if you are living without electricity in your house? This house would be relatively easy to convert to total natural gas or set up with only the semi-attached garage as electrically wired. (We could convert that to a family room--for tv and computer, etc.) Anybody havethoughts on this and how it would work (or not!)? Since the house is nearly a total remodel, we have pretty much total leeway in this right now--can yank out all the wiring--it is not to code anyway. Or would it be better to leave the wiring in the walls and just not use it? We tried contacting a building biologist locally who could check for electrosmog and ground currents, but we couldn't find one--even a guy who otherbuilding biologists thought was an emf expert didn't have a clue how to dothis and kept trying to cover up his lack of knowledge by putting us off. (Everytime I asked a question, he'd say, "We'll have to see about that". After 5 trips out to investigate and no answers, I felt there was very likely no chance he had a clue.) I am trying to learn enough thru books to understand how to do this myself, but I am meter-clueless. Any advise you have is appreciated. :) (Do you suggest the same meters as Charles for this?) And thanks for writing even this, Shivani--tho I had already figured this myself, I do appreciate at least knowing I was headed inthe right direction! Thanks again, Diane --- On Wed, 3/4/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 9:02 PM In Digest #1902 Evie wrote: "I had my property checked and no geopathic zones were found there. Still can't sleep there and have emfs, tho." Two possibilities come to mind: 1) The dowser wasn't accurate. 2) There may be other reasons why you don't sleep well, there, such as electrosmog or ground currents (Electrons on their way home to their substation, about 80% of which, in some parts of the USA, do so via the earth.) Did you check for those? Shivani Arjuna www.LifeEnergies. com . ************ ** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x121995 7551x1201325337/ aol?redir= http:%2F% 2Fwww.freecredit report.com% 2Fpm%2Fdefault. aspx%3Fsc% 3D668072% 26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd% 3Dfebemailfooter NO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi, Charles,
You wrote: "I do not advice demand switches, because they emit heavy dirty power, also in space. Only those that are radiocontrolled are advisable." Do you mean "demand switches" where you have dedicated switches to various electronics, such as your computer, etc, so that you do not have to unplug it or turn off the electricity to it at the circuit breaker in order tostop the electricity to it? We were considering using that type of demand switches in our house we are remodeling if we kept the electric there. So, radiocontrolled demand switches are better for electrosensible people? I would have been turned off by the idea of radiocontrol--my immediate impression is to think frequencies are related to radiocontrol, so I would have chosen manual demand switches. (If we are talking about the same thing.) I was also wondering if demand switches work, period,due to halting the electric current and causing possible magnetic fields there. Interesting--thanks for the info, Charles. Diane --- On Wed, 3/4/09, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 4:58 PM Well, I have placed soem recommendations on: http://www.milieuzi ektes.nl/ Pagina112a. html There are probably not many persons who have such a large amount of different meters as I have. The Electrosmog detector is nice, but I find that it starts at a too high level. Of all my meters I am unseparatable with my Esmog Spion. It is not a real meter, but a detector. There are some antennas with it, but I use it mainly without any antenna. It gives me an instant impression of any situation, because I can hear instantly what is going on. Extra with the Esmog Spion is the fact, that it not only can measure high frequencies, but also lowfrequencies. It has an incorporated telescopic antenna, and with that you can find *dirty power* in space !! I use it also for checking LCD television sets in shops. It gives a good indication which types are bad or not. That way you may know which types are unsuitable, but it is not a garantuee that the others are fine. I bought a 26" Acer computer monitor, which was fine at the moment. But at home, I found heavy peaks at 4.5 MHz. They do not hinder me, but they are present. Read about it in the September 2008 issues of *het bitje*, in which I described measurements with some filters for *dirty power*. The Esmog Spion is described in the May 2006 issue of *het bitje*. Both are also in english. There, also the Profi Spion is described. The difference is, that it has a BNC bus on which you can mount other antennas, like my favourite Ball antenna. With that I detect often heavy radiowaves, which are common with metal surfaces, like aluminium windows and metal gutters, which should than be grounded. Listen also to my sound samples of different elektrosmog sources. It may help you also with other meters which let you hear the modulations. It is also my opinion, that the influence of VLF radiation is underestimated. Many electrosensibles do have problems with them, mainly from television sets, and certainly when they use digital signals. But also from 12/24 V halogen lamps. I even encountered a nice Harman Kardon stereo set, which emitted VLF up to 5 meters away. I do not advice demand switches, because they emit heavy dirty power, also in space. Only those that are radiocontrolled are advisable. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Bitdefender ----- Original Message ----- From: <SArjuna@aol. com> To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:14 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS > I've just read Charles' message in Digest 1931 where he says that what I > shared about dowsing for geopathic stress is bullshit. He goes on to > say "Btw. > I wonder how Shivani checks homes for dirty electricity / electrosmog. > With > her rods? No more the Stetzerizer meter?" > > Why would I use rods to check circuits when the Stetzerizer surgemeter, > designed specifically to do that, does a great job? > And why would I try to use rods, or a Stetzerizer surgemeter, to check for > electrosmog? Charles surely knows that a surgemeter would not be helpful > here, > I use the Electrosmog Detector, as Charles probably knows. > > I hope Charles is not in such a snarky mood today, as I would like to ask > him > a question. What meters are best for members of the general public to > purchase to check their homes for electric fields characterized by > frequencies > associated with ES symptoms? Especially important to have a meter that > can > distinguish such electric fields from those that are only 50/60 Hz. > > Of course, anyone, not just Charles, may recommend his/her favored meters > for > this task. > > Regards, > Shivani Arjuna > www.LifeEnergies. com > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > ************ ** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x121995 7551x1201325337/ aol?redir= http:%2F% 2Fwww.freecredit report.com% 2Fpm%2Fdefault. aspx%3Fsc% 3D668072% 26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd% 3Dfebemailfooter NO62) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I learned from Slim Spurling how to redirect or block ground currents
by using copper rods. Go to a hardware store, buy copper wire rods commonly used for welding. You'll want them eventually about 16 -24 inches long so cutting them may be needed or not. Dowse to find the currents then just bend about 4 inches of the edges downwards on the rod and stick them into the earth (under the surface is better and you can just pound them into the earth with a hammer). The current will follow the rods. You'll need to do this around your property so it won't travel through your property. There are more nuances to this but that is the basic story. I wouldn't count on it to do very much. These are just surface currents solutions and not very high tech. It is interesting that dowsing afterwards will confirm a new current pattern. my 2 cents, Andrew On Mar 6, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Evie wrote: > Thanks, Shivani, > > It could be either problem you mention--the dowser was wrong or ground > currents/electrosmog exist. We found out months after we bought that > house, while we were doing renovations, that there is a small > telephone "switching station" about 8 feet beyond our property line > hidden in shrubs on the nextdoor neighbor's property. (Hard to tell > what we still don't know that exists there!) This switching station > is only about 20 to 25 feet from the bedroom I was using. When it > gets warmer, we are going to try moving there again, totally > "off-grid" electrically, to see what my reactions are and I am going > to try another bedroom. > > I have a few questions tho.... If we are totally off-grid and I am > still reacting there, are there remediations, or is this a sure sign > this house will not work for me? (Or a clue the possible remediations > would not be worth the effort?) Can ground currents from this > switching station (or other sources) be dealt with effectively? For > instance, (not that it would be feasible from a cost standpoint) could > you redirect the ground currents around your property in some way with > buried rods or pipes? Are there ways to create smaller scale > diversions? (I welcome suggestions from anyone on these subjects.) > Same with electrosmog--the only diversion I know is evergreen trees. > Do tree roots also help with ground currents (or make them worse)? I > have looked for info like this online but cannot find it--theories but > no hard facts. We have been discussing "emf transformers" to add to > your house wiring. But are there other electrosmog > remediations if you are living without electricity in your house? > This house would be relatively easy to convert to total natural gas or > set up with only the semi-attached garage as electrically wired. (We > could convert that to a family room--for tv and computer, etc.) > Anybody have thoughts on this and how it would work (or not!)? Since > the house is nearly a total remodel, we have pretty much total leeway > in this right now--can yank out all the wiring--it is not to code > anyway. Or would it be better to leave the wiring in the walls and > just not use it? > > We tried contacting a building biologist locally who could check for > electrosmog and ground currents, but we couldn't find one--even a guy > who other building biologists thought was an emf expert didn't have a > clue how to do this and kept trying to cover up his lack of knowledge > by putting us off. (Everytime I asked a question, he'd say, "We'll > have to see about that". After 5 trips out to investigate and no > answers, I felt there was very likely no chance he had a clue.) I am > trying to learn enough thru books to understand how to do this myself, > but I am meter-clueless. Any advise you have is appreciated. :) (Do > you suggest the same meters as Charles for this?) And thanks for > writing even this, Shivani--tho I had already figured this myself, I > do appreciate at least knowing I was headed in the right direction! > > Thanks again, > Diane > > --- On Wed, 3/4/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: > > From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS > To: [hidden email] > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 9:02 PM > > > > > > > In Digest #1902 Evie wrote: > "I had my property checked and no geopathic zones were found there. > Still > can't sleep there and have emfs, tho." > > Two possibilities come to mind: > 1) The dowser wasn't accurate. > 2) There may be other reasons why you don't sleep well, there, such as > electrosmog or ground currents (Electrons on their way home to their > substation, > about 80% of which, in some parts of the USA, do so via the earth.) > Did you > check for those? > Shivani Arjuna > www.LifeEnergies. com > > . > > ************ ** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x121995 7551x1201325337/ > aol?redir= http:%2F% 2Fwww.freecredit report.com% 2Fpm%2Fdefault. > aspx%3Fsc% 3D668072% 26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd% 3Dfebemailfooter NO62) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > |
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In a message dated 3/6/2009 9:07:19 P.M. GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: Do tree roots also help with ground currents (or make them worse)? I > have looked for info like this online but cannot find it--theories but > no hard facts. We have been discussing "emf transformers" to add to > your house wiring. But are there other electrosmog Since tree roots conduct Lightening I am of the opinion that trees (depending on type height root form) are not necessarily good if they are close to the house or places where you spend a lot of time, if they are in the line of sight of a transmitter, they may well distribute signals into the ground especially damp earth and subtley re-radiate it, so like all potential sheilds you need a good buffer zone. PUK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Thanks Andrew!
I hadn't remembered this info, but now that you mention it, I remember you writing this in to the forum some time ago. Thanks for writing it again. Why (if you know) is it important to have particular lengths of the rods? I would think the longer the better. And wouldn't they need to be end to end, touching each other? Thanks again, Andrew, Diane --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 4:01 PM I learned from Slim Spurling how to redirect or block ground currents by using copper rods. Go to a hardware store, buy copper wire rods commonly used for welding. You'll want them eventually about 16 -24 inches long so cutting them may be needed or not. Dowse to find the currents then just bend about 4 inches of the edges downwards on the rod and stick them into the earth (under the surface is better and you can just pound them into the earth with a hammer). The current will follow the rods. You'll need to do this around your property so it won't travel through your property. There are more nuances to this but that is the basic story. I wouldn't count on it to do very much. These are just surface currents solutions and not very high tech. It is interesting that dowsing afterwards will confirm a new current pattern. my 2 cents, Andrew On Mar 6, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Evie wrote: > Thanks, Shivani, > > It could be either problem you mention--the dowser was wrong or ground > currents/electrosmo g exist. We found out months after we bought that > house, while we were doing renovations, that there is a small > telephone "switching station" about 8 feet beyond our property line > hidden in shrubs on the nextdoor neighbor's property. (Hard to tell > what we still don't know that exists there!) This switching station > is only about 20 to 25 feet from the bedroom I was using. When it > gets warmer, we are going to try moving there again, totally > "off-grid" electrically, to see what my reactions are and I am going > to try another bedroom. > > I have a few questions tho.... If we are totally off-grid and I am > still reacting there, are there remediations, or is this a sure sign > this house will not work for me? (Or a clue the possible remediations > would not be worth the effort?) Can ground currents from this > switching station (or other sources) be dealt with effectively? For > instance, (not that it would be feasible from a cost standpoint) could > you redirect the ground currents around your property in some way with > buried rods or pipes? Are there ways to create smaller scale > diversions? (I welcome suggestions from anyone on these subjects.) > Same with electrosmog- -the only diversion I know is evergreen trees. > Do tree roots also help with ground currents (or make them worse)? I > have looked for info like this online but cannot find it--theories but > no hard facts. We have been discussing "emf transformers" to add to > your house wiring. But are there other electrosmog > remediations if you are living without electricity in your house? > This house would be relatively easy to convert to total natural gas or > set up with only the semi-attached garage as electrically wired. (We > could convert that to a family room--for tv and computer, etc.) > Anybody have thoughts on this and how it would work (or not!)? Since > the house is nearly a total remodel, we have pretty much total leeway > in this right now--can yank out all the wiring--it is not to code > anyway. Or would it be better to leave the wiring in the walls and > just not use it? > > We tried contacting a building biologist locally who could check for > electrosmog and ground currents, but we couldn't find one--even a guy > who other building biologists thought was an emf expert didn't have a > clue how to do this and kept trying to cover up his lack of knowledge > by putting us off. (Everytime I asked a question, he'd say, "We'll > have to see about that". After 5 trips out to investigate and no > answers, I felt there was very likely no chance he had a clue.) I am > trying to learn enough thru books to understand how to do this myself, > but I am meter-clueless. Any advise you have is appreciated. :) (Do > you suggest the same meters as Charles for this?) And thanks for > writing even this, Shivani--tho I had already figured this myself, I > do appreciate at least knowing I was headed in the right direction! > > Thanks again, > Diane > > --- On Wed, 3/4/09, SArjuna@aol. com <SArjuna@aol. com> wrote: > > From: SArjuna@aol. com <SArjuna@aol. com> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 9:02 PM > > > > > > > In Digest #1902 Evie wrote: > "I had my property checked and no geopathic zones were found there. > Still > can't sleep there and have emfs, tho." > > Two possibilities come to mind: > 1) The dowser wasn't accurate. > 2) There may be other reasons why you don't sleep well, there, such as > electrosmog or ground currents (Electrons on their way home to their > substation, > about 80% of which, in some parts of the USA, do so via the earth.) > Did you > check for those? > Shivani Arjuna > www.LifeEnergies. com > > . > > ************ ** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x121995 7551x1201325337/ > aol?redir= http:%2F% 2Fwww.freecredit report.com% 2Fpm%2Fdefault. > aspx%3Fsc% 3D668072% 26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd% 3Dfebemailfooter NO62) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Thanks, Paul. This is just opinion tho and not researched info?
Thanks again, Diane --- On Sat, 3/7/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS To: [hidden email] Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 3:58 AM In a message dated 3/6/2009 9:07:19 P.M. GMT Standard Time, amcafeerr@nc. rr.com writes: Do tree roots also help with ground currents (or make them worse)? I > have looked for info like this online but cannot find it--theories but > no hard facts. We have been discussing "emf transformers" to add to > your house wiring. But are there other electrosmog Since tree roots conduct Lightening I am of the opinion that trees (depending on type height root form) are not necessarily good if they are close to the house or places where you spend a lot of time, if they are in the line of sight of a transmitter, they may well distribute signals into the ground especially damp earth and subtley re-radiate it, so like all potential sheilds you need a good buffer zone. PUK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I think the original lengths were designed to block certain earth
currents that run on a square grid toward the East and North (if I recall correctly) that appear off and on every 4 to 6 feet. My guess is the current is about 6-12 inches wide. This is not an exact science (yet) and there is plenty of room for experimentation according to one's particular needs. Just learn dowsing and go from there. I tried it in my bedroom as well but couldn't tell the difference between the fields around the bed (tree of life energetic grid) and those coming in or out. I gave up and moved bedrooms to upstairs where I have no shielding at all and just turn the power off at night. A On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Evie wrote: > Thanks Andrew! > > I hadn't remembered this info, but now that you mention it, I remember > you writing this in to the forum some time ago. Thanks for writing it > again. Why (if you know) is it important to have particular lengths > of the rods? I would think the longer the better. And wouldn't they > need to be end to end, touching each other? > > Thanks again, Andrew, > Diane > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote: > > From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS > To: [hidden email] > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 4:01 PM > > > > > > > I learned from Slim Spurling how to redirect or block ground currents > by using copper rods. Go to a hardware store, buy copper wire rods > commonly used for welding. You'll want them eventually about 16 -24 > inches long so cutting them may be needed or not. > Dowse to find the currents then just bend about 4 inches of the edges > downwards on the rod and stick them into the earth (under the surface > is better and you can just pound them into the earth with a hammer). > The current will follow the rods. You'll need to do this around your > property so it won't travel through your property. > There are more nuances to this but that is the basic story. > I wouldn't count on it to do very much. These are just surface currents > solutions and not very high tech. > It is interesting that dowsing afterwards will confirm a new current > pattern. > my 2 cents, > > Andrew > > On Mar 6, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Evie wrote: > >> Thanks, Shivani, >> >> It could be either problem you mention--the dowser was wrong or ground >> currents/electrosmo g exist. We found out months after we bought that >> house, while we were doing renovations, that there is a small >> telephone "switching station" about 8 feet beyond our property line >> hidden in shrubs on the nextdoor neighbor's property. (Hard to tell >> what we still don't know that exists there!) This switching station >> is only about 20 to 25 feet from the bedroom I was using. When it >> gets warmer, we are going to try moving there again, totally >> "off-grid" electrically, to see what my reactions are and I am going >> to try another bedroom. >> >> I have a few questions tho.... If we are totally off-grid and I am >> still reacting there, are there remediations, or is this a sure sign >> this house will not work for me? (Or a clue the possible remediations >> would not be worth the effort?) Can ground currents from this >> switching station (or other sources) be dealt with effectively? For >> instance, (not that it would be feasible from a cost standpoint) could >> you redirect the ground currents around your property in some way with >> buried rods or pipes? Are there ways to create smaller scale >> diversions? (I welcome suggestions from anyone on these subjects.) >> Same with electrosmog- -the only diversion I know is evergreen trees. >> Do tree roots also help with ground currents (or make them worse)? I >> have looked for info like this online but cannot find it--theories but >> no hard facts. We have been discussing "emf transformers" to add to >> your house wiring. But are there other electrosmog >> remediations if you are living without electricity in your house? >> This house would be relatively easy to convert to total natural gas or >> set up with only the semi-attached garage as electrically wired. (We >> could convert that to a family room--for tv and computer, etc.) >> Anybody have thoughts on this and how it would work (or not!)? Since >> the house is nearly a total remodel, we have pretty much total leeway >> in this right now--can yank out all the wiring--it is not to code >> anyway. Or would it be better to leave the wiring in the walls and >> just not use it? >> >> We tried contacting a building biologist locally who could check for >> electrosmog and ground currents, but we couldn't find one--even a guy >> who other building biologists thought was an emf expert didn't have a >> clue how to do this and kept trying to cover up his lack of knowledge >> by putting us off. (Everytime I asked a question, he'd say, "We'll >> have to see about that". After 5 trips out to investigate and no >> answers, I felt there was very likely no chance he had a clue.) I am >> trying to learn enough thru books to understand how to do this myself, >> but I am meter-clueless. Any advise you have is appreciated. :) (Do >> you suggest the same meters as Charles for this?) And thanks for >> writing even this, Shivani--tho I had already figured this myself, I >> do appreciate at least knowing I was headed in the right direction! >> >> Thanks again, >> Diane >> >> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, SArjuna@aol. com <SArjuna@aol. com> wrote: >> >> From: SArjuna@aol. com <SArjuna@aol. com> >> Subject: [eSens] Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS >> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com >> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 9:02 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In Digest #1902 Evie wrote: >> "I had my property checked and no geopathic zones were found there. >> Still >> can't sleep there and have emfs, tho." >> >> Two possibilities come to mind: >> 1) The dowser wasn't accurate. >> 2) There may be other reasons why you don't sleep well, there, such as >> electrosmog or ground currents (Electrons on their way home to their >> substation, >> about 80% of which, in some parts of the USA, do so via the earth.) >> Did you >> check for those? >> Shivani Arjuna >> www.LifeEnergies. com >> >> . >> >> ************ ** >> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy >> steps! >> (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x121995 7551x1201325337/ >> aol?redir= http:%2F% 2Fwww.freecredit report.com% 2Fpm%2Fdefault. >> aspx%3Fsc% 3D668072% 26hmpgID >> %3D62%26bcd% 3Dfebemailfooter NO62) >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> ------------ --------- --------- ------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > |
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Thanks again, Andrew. I will look further into this by searching Spurling and geopathic currents.
Diane --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: remediating ground currents (formerly geopathic..) To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 1:30 PM I think the original lengths were designed to block certain earth currents that run on a square grid toward the East and North (if I recall correctly) that appear off and on every 4 to 6 feet. My guess is the current is about 6-12 inches wide. This is not an exact science (yet) and there is plenty of room for experimentation according to one's particular needs. Just learn dowsing and go from there. I tried it in my bedroom as well but couldn't tell the difference between the fields around the bed (tree of life energetic grid) and those coming in or out. I gave up and moved bedrooms to upstairs where I have no shielding at all and just turn the power off at night. A On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Evie wrote: > Thanks Andrew! > > I hadn't remembered this info, but now that you mention it, I remember > you writing this in to the forum some time ago. Thanks for writing it > again. Why (if you know) is it important to have particular lengths > of the rods? I would think the longer the better. And wouldn't they > need to be end to end, touching each other? > > Thanks again, Andrew, > Diane > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com> wrote: > > From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 4:01 PM > > > > > > > I learned from Slim Spurling how to redirect or block ground currents > by using copper rods. Go to a hardware store, buy copper wire rods > commonly used for welding. You'll want them eventually about 16 -24 > inches long so cutting them may be needed or not. > Dowse to find the currents then just bend about 4 inches of the edges > downwards on the rod and stick them into the earth (under the surface > is better and you can just pound them into the earth with a hammer). > The current will follow the rods. You'll need to do this around your > property so it won't travel through your property. > There are more nuances to this but that is the basic story. > I wouldn't count on it to do very much. These are just surface currents > solutions and not very high tech. > It is interesting that dowsing afterwards will confirm a new current > pattern. > my 2 cents, > > Andrew > > On Mar 6, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Evie wrote: > >> Thanks, Shivani, >> >> It could be either problem you mention--the dowser was wrong or ground >> currents/electrosmo g exist. We found out months after we bought that >> house, while we were doing renovations, that there is a small >> telephone "switching station" about 8 feet beyond our property line >> hidden in shrubs on the nextdoor neighbor's property. (Hard to tell >> what we still don't know that exists there!) This switching station >> is only about 20 to 25 feet from the bedroom I was using. When it >> gets warmer, we are going to try moving there again, totally >> "off-grid" electrically, to see what my reactions are and I am going >> to try another bedroom. >> >> I have a few questions tho.... If we are totally off-grid and I am >> still reacting there, are there remediations, or is this a sure sign >> this house will not work for me? (Or a clue the possible remediations >> would not be worth the effort?) Can ground currents from this >> switching station (or other sources) be dealt with effectively? For >> instance, (not that it would be feasible from a cost standpoint) could >> you redirect the ground currents around your property in some way with >> buried rods or pipes? Are there ways to create smaller scale >> diversions? (I welcome suggestions from anyone on these subjects.) >> Same with electrosmog- -the only diversion I know is evergreen trees. >> Do tree roots also help with ground currents (or make them worse)? I >> have looked for info like this online but cannot find it--theories but >> no hard facts. We have been discussing "emf transformers" to add to >> your house wiring. But are there other electrosmog >> remediations if you are living without electricity in your house? >> This house would be relatively easy to convert to total natural gas or >> set up with only the semi-attached garage as electrically wired. (We >> could convert that to a family room--for tv and computer, etc.) >> Anybody have thoughts on this and how it would work (or not!)? Since >> the house is nearly a total remodel, we have pretty much total leeway >> in this right now--can yank out all the wiring--it is not to code >> anyway. Or would it be better to leave the wiring in the walls and >> just not use it? >> >> We tried contacting a building biologist locally who could check for >> electrosmog and ground currents, but we couldn't find one--even a guy >> who other building biologists thought was an emf expert didn't have a >> clue how to do this and kept trying to cover up his lack of knowledge >> by putting us off. (Everytime I asked a question, he'd say, "We'll >> have to see about that". After 5 trips out to investigate and no >> answers, I felt there was very likely no chance he had a clue.) I am >> trying to learn enough thru books to understand how to do this myself, >> but I am meter-clueless. Any advise you have is appreciated. :) (Do >> you suggest the same meters as Charles for this?) And thanks for >> writing even this, Shivani--tho I had already figured this myself, I >> do appreciate at least knowing I was headed in the right direction! >> >> Thanks again, >> Diane >> >> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, SArjuna@aol. com <SArjuna@aol. com> wrote: >> >> From: SArjuna@aol. com <SArjuna@aol. com> >> Subject: [eSens] Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS >> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com >> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 9:02 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In Digest #1902 Evie wrote: >> "I had my property checked and no geopathic zones were found there. >> Still >> can't sleep there and have emfs, tho." >> >> Two possibilities come to mind: >> 1) The dowser wasn't accurate. >> 2) There may be other reasons why you don't sleep well, there, such as >> electrosmog or ground currents (Electrons on their way home to their >> substation, >> about 80% of which, in some parts of the USA, do so via the earth.) >> Did you >> check for those? >> Shivani Arjuna >> www.LifeEnergies. com >> >> . >> >> ************ ** >> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy >> steps! >> (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x121995 7551x1201325337/ >> aol?redir= http:%2F% 2Fwww.freecredit report.com% 2Fpm%2Fdefault. >> aspx%3Fsc% 3D668072% 26hmpgID >> %3D62%26bcd% 3Dfebemailfooter NO62) >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> ------------ --------- --------- ------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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In a message dated 3/9/2009 5:16:08 P.M. GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: Thanks, Paul. This is just opinion tho and not researched info? Thanks again, Diane For sure Diane,. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Andrew,
how do you do a slim spurling LIGHT LIFE RING? I have been looking for info how to build it right. I hope you can share your knowledge. Cristine --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: > > I learned from Slim Spurling how to redirect or block ground currents > by using copper rods. Go to a hardware store, buy copper wire rods > commonly used for welding. You'll want them eventually about 16 -24 > inches long so cutting them may be needed or not. > Dowse to find the currents then just bend about 4 inches of the edges > downwards on the rod and stick them into the earth (under the surface > is better and you can just pound them into the earth with a hammer). > The current will follow the rods. You'll need to do this around your > property so it won't travel through your property. > There are more nuances to this but that is the basic story. > I wouldn't count on it to do very much. These are just surface currents > solutions and not very high tech. > It is interesting that dowsing afterwards will confirm a new current > pattern. > my 2 cents, > > Andrew > > On Mar 6, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Evie wrote: > > > Thanks, Shivani, > > > > It could be either problem you mention--the dowser was wrong or ground > > currents/electrosmog exist. We found out months after we bought that > > house, while we were doing renovations, that there is a small > > telephone "switching station" about 8 feet beyond our property line > > hidden in shrubs on the nextdoor neighbor's property. (Hard to tell > > what we still don't know that exists there!) This switching station > > is only about 20 to 25 feet from the bedroom I was using. When it > > gets warmer, we are going to try moving there again, totally > > "off-grid" electrically, to see what my reactions are and I am going > > to try another bedroom. > > > > I have a few questions tho.... If we are totally off-grid and I am > > still reacting there, are there remediations, or is this a sure sign > > this house will not work for me? (Or a clue the possible remediations > > would not be worth the effort?) Can ground currents from this > > switching station (or other sources) be dealt with effectively? For > > instance, (not that it would be feasible from a cost standpoint) could > > you redirect the ground currents around your property in some way with > > buried rods or pipes? Are there ways to create smaller scale > > diversions? (I welcome suggestions from anyone on these subjects.) > > Same with electrosmog--the only diversion I know is evergreen trees. > > Do tree roots also help with ground currents (or make them worse)? I > > have looked for info like this online but cannot find it--theories but > > no hard facts. We have been discussing "emf transformers" to add to > > your house wiring. But are there other electrosmog > > remediations if you are living without electricity in your house? > > This house would be relatively easy to convert to total natural gas or > > set up with only the semi-attached garage as electrically wired. (We > > could convert that to a family room--for tv and computer, etc.) > > Anybody have thoughts on this and how it would work (or not!)? Since > > the house is nearly a total remodel, we have pretty much total leeway > > in this right now--can yank out all the wiring--it is not to code > > anyway. Or would it be better to leave the wiring in the walls and > > just not use it? > > > > We tried contacting a building biologist locally who could check for > > electrosmog and ground currents, but we couldn't find one--even a guy > > who other building biologists thought was an emf expert didn't have a > > clue how to do this and kept trying to cover up his lack of knowledge > > by putting us off. (Everytime I asked a question, he'd say, "We'll > > have to see about that". After 5 trips out to investigate and no > > answers, I felt there was very likely no chance he had a clue.) I am > > trying to learn enough thru books to understand how to do this myself, > > but I am meter-clueless. Any advise you have is appreciated. :) (Do > > you suggest the same meters as Charles for this?) And thanks for > > writing even this, Shivani--tho I had already figured this myself, I > > do appreciate at least knowing I was headed in the right direction! > > > > Thanks again, > > Diane > > > > --- On Wed, 3/4/09, SArjuna@... <SArjuna@...> wrote: > > > > From: SArjuna@... <SArjuna@...> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS > > To: [hidden email] > > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 9:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Digest #1902 Evie wrote: > > "I had my property checked and no geopathic zones were found there. > > Still > > can't sleep there and have emfs, tho." > > > > Two possibilities come to mind: > > 1) The dowser wasn't accurate. > > 2) There may be other reasons why you don't sleep well, there, such as > > electrosmog or ground currents (Electrons on their way home to their > > substation, > > about 80% of which, in some parts of the USA, do so via the earth.) > > Did you > > check for those? > > Shivani Arjuna > > www.LifeEnergies. com > > > > . > > > > ************ ** > > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > > steps! > > (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x121995 7551x1201325337/ > > aol?redir= http:%2F% 2Fwww.freecredit report.com% 2Fpm%2Fdefault. > > aspx%3Fsc% 3D668072% 26hmpgID > > %3D62%26bcd% 3Dfebemailfooter NO62) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > |
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