Re: Digest Number 293

From: Jan Jenson <[hidden email]>

From: "Benson, Sarah \(Sen L. Allison\)" <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: Microwave oven info?

Do you mean their effects on food or people standing near them when
they're on?

Sarah



Both!
Microwaves affect the energy of EVERYTHING around them for1,500 feet
when they are on!
Combine that with all the cell phones and towers on this planet
and figure what our OVERLOAD ratio is...!

Jan Jenson
The Detox News


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> Microwaves affect the energy of EVERYTHING around them for 1,500 feet
> when they are on!

Yes, but how many people here actually feel bad when standing next to a
microwave oven? I don't see that complaint a whole lot here.
Meanwhile, lots of people complain about cellphones, computers,
and florescent lights. I think the latter must be a larger
health threat.

Marc

On one hand, few of us stand next to a microwave oven with our ear
pressed against it, at least not for any length of time... So maybe
exposure is lower relative to cell phone or computer -- which may
account for the fewer complaints.

But maybe there is a *qualitative* difference as well. Does anyone
know?

Cara

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:

> Yes, but how many people here actually feel bad when standing next
to a
> microwave oven? I don't see that complaint a whole lot here.
> Meanwhile, lots of people complain about cellphones, computers,
> and florescent lights. I think the latter must be a larger
> health threat.
>
> Marc

> On one hand, few of us stand next to a microwave oven with our ear
> pressed against it, at least not for any length of time... So maybe
> exposure is lower relative to cell phone or computer -- which may
> account for the fewer complaints.

In the past, I've noticed being slightly bothered by the Microwave
oven when I was within a few feet of it while it was turned on, but
at that point in time I was having much more problems with a
simple landline telephone, the TV set, florescent lights,
computer monitors, and laptops. The Microwave oven seemed to
be the *least* of my concerns...

Marc

Hi,
Again beer and tequila, but when i was at the hight at my problems i had no problem with the microwave. may have used the oven function but still/ I am alomost free/ will let you know he glorious moment. Warning. Do not thinhk to much. I had gammaloguline vaccices, many amalgams, still drink and smoke.. I love and will dothe best i can.
gotta go love and light.


> On one hand, few of us stand next to a microwave oven with our ear
> pressed against it, at least not for any length of time... So maybe
> exposure is lower relative to cell phone or computer -- which may
> account for the fewer complaints.

In the past, I've noticed being slightly bothered by the Microwave
oven when I was within a few feet of it while it was turned on, but
at that point in time I was having much more problems with a
simple landline telephone, the TV set, florescent lights,
computer monitors, and laptops. The Microwave oven seemed to
be the *least* of my concerns...

Marc


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The most danger comes not from the radiation of the microwave oven but
from eating the microwaved food. It's highly possible that one get's
cancer from eating over a long time microwaved food. So please dispose
in the interest of your health your microwave oven and eat no microwaved
food if ever possible.

Best!

Klaus



Marc Martin schrieb:

Measurements on a microwave oven gave:

Magnetic fields very high (>2 microtesla) in front of the and at the back of
the oven.
3 meters away from the oven around 0.2 microtesla

Leakage of microwaves were high. 2 metres from the oven about 120 dBmV/m
8 meters from the oven (2 rooms away from the kitchen) around 80 dBmV/m.

An EHS person normally can accept values around 60 dBmV/m.

So apart from health effects from irradiated food, stay away from using the
oven.

Torbjörn Lindblom


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Taking out fillings

I got my ES, allergies and chemical sensitivity after six months of
antibiotics and much emotional stress in my private life a few month back.
I also had triggerpoints (Fibromyalgia) since six years before that till
today, which I now wonder if its all related. When at the dentist last week
I was told that it might be time to change my old silver fillings , they are
close to 15 years old and show signs.

from what I read here in the list, I am not sure what is worse, to have them
remain in the mouth or to handle them and take them out. Nobody here is
Israel ever heard of ES or ES related problems, and I fear that what
happened here to some - that their problems started while taking them
out!!! - will worsen my bad current condition. I am pretty run down. If
while taking them out I get more Mercury into my system , It might really
hurt me. What to do?

HIllel


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From: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:12 PM
Subject: [eSens] Digest Number 293




There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: ES inquiries
From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.com>
2. Cara - Tapping the healer within - calm emotions
From: "Glenn Coleman" <glennhcoleman@hotmail.com>
4. Re: ES inquiries
From: "Glenn Coleman" <glennhcoleman@hotmail.com>
5. electrical shielding for new members
From: <vizual@alltel.net>
6. Microwave oven info?
From: "danceswild" <bmfb@pacbell.net>
7. Wireless Cafes
From: "danceswild" <bmfb@pacbell.net>
8. Re: Microwave oven info?
From: "Buergerwelle e.V., Dachverband / BI Omega-CI Omega"
<Star.Mail@t-online.de>
9. Re: Microwave oven info?
From: "Less EMF Inc." <lessemf@lessemf.com>
10. Re: Microwave oven info?
From: "devorah91" <devorah888@sbcglobal.net>
11. RE: Microwave oven info?
From: "Benson, Sarah \(Sen L. Allison\)"
<Sarah.Benson@aph.gov.au>
12. Re: Microwave oven info?
From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc.rr.com>
13. RE: Microwave oven info?
From: "Benson, Sarah \(Sen L. Allison\)"
<Sarah.Benson@aph.gov.au>


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:30:31 -0800
From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.com>
Subject: Re: ES inquiries

>Sue's ES problems started shortly after she had her amalgam fillings
>removed!

Yes, that's not too surprising -- I was luckier in this regard as
I had a naturopath who was building me up for about 8 months
prior to having my fillings out, and I also had found some
antioxidants and heavy metal chelators which worked well for
me.

But at least it does show that mercury is a factor in Sue's problem.
Since that seems to be pretty common on this list, some of the
things which worked for us might also work for Sue. I'd suggest
looking at thyroid support, essential fatty acids, anti-oxidants,
essential "sugars", and EMF protection devices. But perhaps you've
already done some of that?

Marc


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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:11:25 -0800
From: "Glenn Coleman" <glennhcoleman@hotmail.com>
Subject: Cara - Tapping the healer within - calm emotions

Cara,

I was thinking about what you said about your husband getting negative
energy from emotions that you brought home from work.

I was thinking that this type of energy could cause a domino effect, in that
if he fears you coming home, then he can get this negative energy even if
your emotions aren't high.

There is a book that I have used to calm down my emotions in situations like
this. It is called "Tapping The Healer Within", "Using Thought Field
Therapy to Instantly Conquer Your Fears, Anxieties, and Emotional Distress",
by Roger J Callahan, PH.D.

I used it when I first became very ill, when I had severe sensitivity to
energy of any humans. I was able to greatly reduce my sensitivity.

It is almost like a form of acupuncture on my emotions. Very simple to use.

Glenn




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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sue and Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@ukgateway.net>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:14 PM
Subject: [eSens] ES inquiries


>
>
> Hi - we are new members (my wife has ES and I act as her scribe)
and she is really struggling at the moment. We were wondering if
anyone had any positive or negative experiences of the following,
especially versions that can be bought in the UK:
>
> - shielded baseball caps or hats
> - wire mesh head shields
> - "Faraday cage" bed covers
> - earthing for passengers/seats on car journeys
>
> Sue is supposed to be going into hospital for treatment next week
but she is worried about coping with the journey there and with
staying in both the hospital and the guest house. Her worst ES
induced symptom is a severe tinnitus-type buzzing in the head, which
she finds it very hard to deal with.
>
> Thanks, Ian Kemp
>
>





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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:16:20 -0800
From: "Glenn Coleman" <glennhcoleman@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: ES inquiries

I have had a lot of head pain from mercury toxicity. It mostly felt like
major endless ear aches and a numb feeling in my head.

I found meditation, energy work (shiatsu, pranic healing, medicine buddha),
and good nutrition to be the most rapid way to get some relief.

One can still reduce side effects of mercury even if they haven't prepared
their body for amalgam removal. Naturopath type doctors can help allot to
start strengthening liver/kidneys/digestive tract and reduce yeast and
toxins, so there is less toxicity causing symptoms. Otherwise one can end
up with a toxic traffic jam as body attempts to process mercury.

Glenn

>From: "Sue and Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@ukgateway.net>
>Reply-To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
>To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [eSens] ES inquiries
>Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:12:31 -0000
>
>Thanks Marc. I've been gradually composing a longer email which gives more
>details of Sue's experiences, which I should complete in the next day or
>two!. One particularly ironic thing is on mercury filllings removal -
>Sue's ES problems started shortly after she had her amalgam fillings
>removed! They appear to be a side effect of her immune system being badly
>run down (chemical sensitivity happened first), and we have since seen
>several reports that mercury amalgam removal is unwise unless you are in
>good condition physically or have undergone some pre-treatment to build you
>up. Certainly that seems to be our experience.
>
>Ian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marc Martin
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 5:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] ES inquiries
>
>
> > - shielded baseball caps or hats
> > - wire mesh head shields
>
> I've tried some head shielding, and it only seemed to make me worse.
> Any metal near your head is going to act like an antenna for EMF.
>
> > Sue is supposed to be going into hospital for treatment next week
>
> Treatment specifically for ES?
>
> >Her worst ES induced symptom is a severe tinnitus-type buzzing in the
>head
>
> Does she have any metal dental work? If so, she probably should get
> that removed by a "mercury-free" dentist.
>
> Marc
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:26:31 -0600
From: <vizual@alltel.net>
Subject: electrical shielding for new members


For new (and old members) who are suffering from electrical sensitivity...
I USED to have terrible electrical sensitivity - and Fibromyalgia.
Since having all my amalgams removed (those "silver" fillings that are over
HALF MERCURY!!) and detoxing my body through oral chelation, cilantro pesto,
detox pads on the bottom of my feet and switching to about 80 percent RAW
diet, my electrical sensitivity and need for sunglasses much of the time has
gone away!

I was also a welder for over 22 years. I could grab a 60 watt light bulb
and it would light up. I had such severe fibro and chronic fatigue in 1997
I felt I was headed for a wheel chair... Then Imet the editor of
Integrative Health & Healing magazine (and worked with him for 4 years) and
learned allabout the damage mercury and other heavy metals cause in the
body. Electrical sensitivity is one of the biggest problems... so I'd
recommend you all take a look at what's in your mouth - and what you've been
exposed to during your life (including TOXIC personal care and cleaning
products) and get busy detoxing your life!
The electrical sensitivity seems to go away with all that overload!

If you'd like to know more, please contact me personally.

Jan Jenson, OBDS
Optimal Breathing Development Specialist
Publisher, The Detox News






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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:57:56 -0000
From: "danceswild" <bmfb@pacbell.net>
Subject: Microwave oven info?


I am looking for a source of information on the dangers of microwave
ovens to pass on to people who are not familiar with the issue. That
means short and very well presented info is best. A website would be
good. Thanks.

Paul





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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:01:18 -0000
From: "danceswild" <bmfb@pacbell.net>
Subject: Wireless Cafes


Has anybody had experience in wireless cafes or other such wireless
environments. I would like to know about meters to measure it.
Someone told me about the hf dtekter a few days ago. Thanks.

Paul





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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:18:13 +0100
From: "Buergerwelle e.V., Dachverband / BI Omega-CI Omega"
<Star.Mail@t-online.de>
Subject: Re: Microwave oven info?

Dear Paul,

here some information:

Radiation Ovens: The Proven Dangers of Microwaves
http://omega.twoday.net/stories/485972/

Microwave Oven Radiations Hazards & Standards
http://omega.twoday.net/stories/325594/

Radiation Ovens: The Proven Dangers of Microwaves
http://omega.twoday.net/stories/325588/

Nuked In Your Kitchen
http://omega.twoday.net/stories/305336/

Do You Microwave Your Food ?
http://omega.twoday.net/stories/290594/

The Effects of Microwave Apparatus on Food and Humans
http://omega.twoday.net/stories/290590/

Microwave ovens cause cancer
http://omega.twoday.net/stories/283088/

Still 'Cooking' With Microwaves?
http://omega.twoday.net/stories/209635/

Microwaves
http://omega.twoday.net/stories/192056/

Microwave–ovens cause cancer after all
http://omega.twoday.net/stories/189666/

Microwaves are a hazard to life
http://omega.twoday.net/stories/189655/

Man turns the Earth into a Microwave–Oven
http://omega.twoday.net/stories/189645/


Best!

Klaus



danceswild schrieb:

>I am looking for a source of information on the dangers of microwave
>ovens to pass on to people who are not familiar with the issue. That
>means short and very well presented info is best. A website would be
>good. Thanks.
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:25:09 -0500
From: "Less EMF Inc." <lessemf@lessemf.com>
Subject: Re: Microwave oven info?

Hi Paul,

See http://www.lessemf.com/mw-stnds.html

Emil


At 06:57 PM 1/27/2005, you wrote:


>I am looking for a source of information on the dangers of microwave
>ovens to pass on to people who are not familiar with the issue. That
>means short and very well presented info is best. A website would be
>good. Thanks.
>
>Paul
>





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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:46:16 -0000
From: "devorah91" <devorah888@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Microwave oven info?



Hi, if you type it into a google search you can take your pick on
the many different web site's that have articles on the subject,
there is alot of info out there....Debbie



--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "danceswild" <bmfb@p...> wrote:
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> I am looking for a source of information on the dangers of
microwave
> ovens to pass on to people who are not familiar with the issue.








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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:40:08 +1100
From: "Benson, Sarah \(Sen L. Allison\)" <Sarah.Benson@aph.gov.au>
Subject: RE: Microwave oven info?

Do you mean their effects on food or people standing near them when
they're on?

Sarah


-----Original Message-----
From: danceswild [mailto:bmfb@pacbell.net]
Sent: Friday, 28 January 2005 5:58 AM
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [eSens] Microwave oven info?




I am looking for a source of information on the dangers of microwave
ovens to pass on to people who are not familiar with the issue. That
means short and very well presented info is best. A website would be
good. Thanks.

Paul







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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:47:08 -0500
From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Microwave oven info?

Yes. You'll get hit with quite a blast anywhere in the room from a
microwave. Definitely don't let kids put their faces near them while
they are cooking. My recommendation is to pull the cord on the thing
and never use it unless you want to kill someone slowly.
Andrew
On Jan 27, 2005, at 9:40 PM, Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison) wrote:

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> they're on?
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> From: danceswild [mailto:bmfb@pacbell.net]
> Sent: Friday, 28 January 2005 5:58 AM
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [eSens] Microwave oven info?
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> ovens to pass on to people who are not familiar with the issue. That
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:00:11 +1100
From: "Benson, Sarah \(Sen L. Allison\)" <Sarah.Benson@aph.gov.au>
Subject: RE: Microwave oven info?

Agreed. What these ovens do to food is also not good. Apparently the
radiation turns proteins into a substance that is not recognised by the
body......its amazing how little research has been done into microwaved
food and its effects on human health.
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew McAfee [mailto:amcafeerr@nc.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, 28 January 2005 3:47 PM
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Microwave oven info?



Yes. You'll get hit with quite a blast anywhere in the room from a
microwave. Definitely don't let kids put their faces near them while
they are cooking. My recommendation is to pull the cord on the thing
and never use it unless you want to kill someone slowly.
Andrew
On Jan 27, 2005, at 9:40 PM, Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison) wrote:

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> Do you mean their effects on food or people standing near them when
> they're on?
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> Sent: Friday, 28 January 2005 5:58 AM
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [eSens] Microwave oven info?
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> means short and very well presented info is best. A website would be
> good. Thanks.
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correct me if I am wrong but I think in a microwave oven manual that
comes with it, it says to stay a certain distance from it when it is
on too....



--- In [hidden email], Torbjörn Lindblom <febpost@h...> wrote:
> Measurements on a microwave oven gave:
>
> Magnetic fields very high (>2 microtesla) in front of the and at
the back of
> the oven.
> 3 meters away from the oven around 0.2 microtesla
>
.se/resor/

I had mine taken out and did not let the dentist put siver (mercury)
back in my mouth, the important thing to do is to dam off your
throat when the dentist is drilling out the merury to keep the dust
from going down into your lungs, my nose was covered also with a
oxygen fed thru it, Al Huggins has a great book called "It's all in
your head" he used to be a dentist and quit the business. But it
gives very detailed info on the positive/ negative charges these
fillings give off in your mouth, now if you have gold thrown in
there too you got a disaster happening....Debbie




--- In [hidden email], "Hillel Wahrman" <whillel@h...> wrote:
> Taking out fillings
>
> I got my ES, allergies and chemical sensitivity after six months of
> antibiotics and much emotional stress in my private life a few
month back.
> I also had triggerpoints (Fibromyalgia) since six years before
that till

> I got my ES, allergies and chemical sensitivity after six months of
> antibiotics and much emotional stress in my private life a few month back.

This sounds similar to what happened to me back back in 2000.

> When at the dentist last week I was told that it might be time to
> change my old silver fillings , they are close to 15 years old and show signs.

Yes, I had also had some fillings that probably had not been
replaced for 20 years.

> From what I read here in the list, I am not sure what is worse, to have them
> remain in the mouth or to handle them and take them out.

I think it's worse to have them remain in your mouth. However,
you should have them removed by a dentist who can remove them
quickly (not much drilling), and also use a rubber dam in your
mouth to prevent mercury vapor from going down your throat.
Also, you should have them replaced with some plastic/composite
white-colored fillings.

Also, you should also be taking a good antioxidant and/or
vitamins and minerals to help you deal with the mercury,
plus foods high in fiber and other types of foods which
will attach to the mercury.

If you just have the fillings out without precautions, or
without the proper nutritional support, you do risk
making yourself worse. However, if you keep the fillings
in your mouth, then you continue to get daily exposure
to mercury vapor, which will also make you worse.

Marc

On the magnetic fields side, I've got a meter on hire at the moment and gotsome interesting results from testing our own MW oven. (This does not apply to the microwave voltages themselves which are a separate issue).

Our background level in the house is about 0.05 microtesla. When the oven was on it was 0.2 microtesla in front but 2-3 at the back. But when the microwaves stopped, the reading at the back stayed high as long as the fan was on. So it seems to be the cooling fan which causes the magnetic field, not the microwaves themselves.

The same sort of readings (2-3 microtesla) can be got from normal gas boilers while they are running - apparently down to the ignition coil (relay?) in the top section. I tested our boiler and a friend's, in both cases you could see the reading shoot up and down from 0.05 to 2 or 3 as the boiler cut in and out. This was right up near the boiler - the field falls very fast with distance and didn't make a noticeable difference to the reading whenstanding in the room.

The same with our fan oven - 0.15-0.2 microtesla when off (a bit higher than background) but 0.5-1 outside and 2-3 inside the oven when the fan goes on, and no effect on field levels a foot or two away from the oven in the room. And with the computer; background levels all round it but 1 microteslanear the back where the fan is.

I don't want to scare anyone unnecessarily - there are enough other things one has to guard against. These fields seem to be very short range and, unless you're standing very close to the appliance, have no obvious effect onlevels in the room. By comparison, under high voltage power lines, figuresof 15-40 microtesla can be found.

I assume inverse square law should apply; double the distance away = one quarter of the field strength. This would fit Marc's observation that MW ovens only bothered him if he was very close. And the small field from a phone earpiece right up against the ear has even more effect.

It depends of course whether it is electric or magnetic fields that you aresensitive to. We think for Sue it is just electric fields and EM radiation (microwaves, light etc), not magnetic, but we can't be sure.



I don't unfortunately have a meter to measure microwave voltages themselves- can these be hired as well in the UK? I hired the electric/magnetics field meter from Powerwatch.

----- Original Message -----
From: Torbjörn Lindblom
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Microwaves


Measurements on a microwave oven gave:

Magnetic fields very high (>2 microtesla) in front of the and at the backof
the oven.
3 meters away from the oven around 0.2 microtesla

Leakage of microwaves were high. 2 metres from the oven about 120 dBmV/m
8 meters from the oven (2 rooms away from the kitchen) around 80 dBmV/m.

An EHS person normally can accept values around 60 dBmV/m.

So apart from health effects from irradiated food, stay away from using the
oven.

Torbjörn Lindblom


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I can only say from our experience that if you are run down physically, with
chemical sensitivity etc, that it is not a good time to have amalgam
fillings removed. It definitely seemed to make Sue worse. Even with rubber
dams, high vacuum etc, there seems to be no way of guaranteeing that no
mercury vapour gets into the body - after all the amounts being released
from amalgams everyday are extremely small, so if you're reacting to those
tiny amounts, the result of the extraction could be a big problem. (If the
fillings are showing signs of actual damage and leaks, though, that may be a
good reason to take them out - tough choice!).

On the other hand, some people report that if they have been built up
physically first, they survive the filling removal better (see Marc's email
a few days back). Sue isn't managing to digest nutrients effectively and
reacts badly to most supplements, but we are finding that intravenous drips
of things like glutathione seem to be helping - though expensive.

Ian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hillel Wahrman" <whillel@hotmail.com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Digest Number 293


>
> Taking out fillings
>
> I got my ES, allergies and chemical sensitivity after six months of
> antibiotics and much emotional stress in my private life a few month
back.
> I also had triggerpoints (Fibromyalgia) since six years before that till
> today, which I now wonder if its all related. When at the dentist last
week
> I was told that it might be time to change my old silver fillings , they
are
> close to 15 years old and show signs.
>
> From what I read here in the list, I am not sure what is worse, to have
them
> remain in the mouth or to handle them and take them out. Nobody here is
> Israel ever heard of ES or ES related problems, and I fear that what
> happened here to some - that their problems started while taking them
> out!!! - will worsen my bad current condition. I am pretty run down. If
> while taking them out I get more Mercury into my system , It might really
> hurt me. What to do?
>
> HIllel
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:12 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Digest Number 293
>
>
>
>
> There are 13 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Re: ES inquiries
> From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.com>
> 2. Cara - Tapping the healer within - calm emotions
> From: "Glenn Coleman" <glennhcoleman@hotmail.com>
> 4. Re: ES inquiries
> From: "Glenn Coleman" <glennhcoleman@hotmail.com>
> 5. electrical shielding for new members
> From: <vizual@alltel.net>
> 6. Microwave oven info?
> From: "danceswild" <bmfb@pacbell.net>
> 7. Wireless Cafes
> From: "danceswild" <bmfb@pacbell.net>
> 8. Re: Microwave oven info?
> From: "Buergerwelle e.V., Dachverband / BI Omega-CI Omega"
> <Star.Mail@t-online.de>
> 9. Re: Microwave oven info?
> From: "Less EMF Inc." <lessemf@lessemf.com>
> 10. Re: Microwave oven info?
> From: "devorah91" <devorah888@sbcglobal.net>
> 11. RE: Microwave oven info?
> From: "Benson, Sarah \(Sen L. Allison\)"
> <Sarah.Benson@aph.gov.au>
> 12. Re: Microwave oven info?
> From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc.rr.com>
> 13. RE: Microwave oven info?
> From: "Benson, Sarah \(Sen L. Allison\)"
> <Sarah.Benson@aph.gov.au>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:30:31 -0800
> From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.com>
> Subject: Re: ES inquiries
>
> >Sue's ES problems started shortly after she had her amalgam fillings
> >removed!
>
> Yes, that's not too surprising -- I was luckier in this regard as
> I had a naturopath who was building me up for about 8 months
> prior to having my fillings out, and I also had found some
> antioxidants and heavy metal chelators which worked well for
> me.
>
> But at least it does show that mercury is a factor in Sue's problem.
> Since that seems to be pretty common on this list, some of the
> things which worked for us might also work for Sue. I'd suggest
> looking at thyroid support, essential fatty acids, anti-oxidants,
> essential "sugars", and EMF protection devices. But perhaps you've
> already done some of that?
>
> Marc
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:11:25 -0800
> From: "Glenn Coleman" <glennhcoleman@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Cara - Tapping the healer within - calm emotions
>
> Cara,
>
> I was thinking about what you said about your husband getting negative
> energy from emotions that you brought home from work.
>
> I was thinking that this type of energy could cause a domino effect, in
that
> if he fears you coming home, then he can get this negative energy even if
> your emotions aren't high.
>
> There is a book that I have used to calm down my emotions in situations
like
> this. It is called "Tapping The Healer Within", "Using Thought Field
> Therapy to Instantly Conquer Your Fears, Anxieties, and Emotional
Distress",
> by Roger J Callahan, PH.D.
>
> I used it when I first became very ill, when I had severe sensitivity to
> energy of any humans. I was able to greatly reduce my sensitivity.
>
> It is almost like a form of acupuncture on my emotions. Very simple to
use.
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sue and Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@ukgateway.net>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:14 PM
> Subject: [eSens] ES inquiries
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hi - we are new members (my wife has ES and I act as her scribe)
> and she is really struggling at the moment. We were wondering if
> anyone had any positive or negative experiences of the following,
> especially versions that can be bought in the UK:
> >
> > - shielded baseball caps or hats
> > - wire mesh head shields
> > - "Faraday cage" bed covers
> > - earthing for passengers/seats on car journeys
> >
> > Sue is supposed to be going into hospital for treatment next week
> but she is worried about coping with the journey there and with
> staying in both the hospital and the guest house. Her worst ES
> induced symptom is a severe tinnitus-type buzzing in the head, which
> she finds it very hard to deal with.
> >
> > Thanks, Ian Kemp
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:16:20 -0800
> From: "Glenn Coleman" <glennhcoleman@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: ES inquiries
>
> I have had a lot of head pain from mercury toxicity. It mostly felt like
> major endless ear aches and a numb feeling in my head.
>
> I found meditation, energy work (shiatsu, pranic healing, medicine
buddha),
> and good nutrition to be the most rapid way to get some relief.
>
> One can still reduce side effects of mercury even if they haven't prepared
> their body for amalgam removal. Naturopath type doctors can help allot to
> start strengthening liver/kidneys/digestive tract and reduce yeast and
> toxins, so there is less toxicity causing symptoms. Otherwise one can end
> up with a toxic traffic jam as body attempts to process mercury.
>
> Glenn
>
> >From: "Sue and Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@ukgateway.net>
> >Reply-To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [eSens] ES inquiries
> >Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:12:31 -0000
> >
> >Thanks Marc. I've been gradually composing a longer email which gives
more
> >details of Sue's experiences, which I should complete in the next day or
> >two!. One particularly ironic thing is on mercury filllings removal -
> >Sue's ES problems started shortly after she had her amalgam fillings
> >removed! They appear to be a side effect of her immune system being
badly
> >run down (chemical sensitivity happened first), and we have since seen
> >several reports that mercury amalgam removal is unwise unless you are in
> >good condition physically or have undergone some pre-treatment to build
you
> >up. Certainly that seems to be our experience.
> >
> >Ian
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Marc Martin
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 5:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] ES inquiries
> >
> >
> > > - shielded baseball caps or hats
> > > - wire mesh head shields
> >
> > I've tried some head shielding, and it only seemed to make me worse.
> > Any metal near your head is going to act like an antenna for EMF.
> >
> > > Sue is supposed to be going into hospital for treatment next week
> >
> > Treatment specifically for ES?
> >
> > >Her worst ES induced symptom is a severe tinnitus-type buzzing in the
> >head
> >
> > Does she have any metal dental work? If so, she probably should get
> > that removed by a "mercury-free" dentist.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:26:31 -0600
> From: <vizual@alltel.net>
> Subject: electrical shielding for new members
>
>
> For new (and old members) who are suffering from electrical sensitivity...
> I USED to have terrible electrical sensitivity - and Fibromyalgia.
> Since having all my amalgams removed (those "silver" fillings that are
over
> HALF MERCURY!!) and detoxing my body through oral chelation, cilantro
pesto,
> detox pads on the bottom of my feet and switching to about 80 percent RAW
> diet, my electrical sensitivity and need for sunglasses much of the time
has
> gone away!
>
> I was also a welder for over 22 years. I could grab a 60 watt light bulb
> and it would light up. I had such severe fibro and chronic fatigue in
1997
> I felt I was headed for a wheel chair... Then Imet the editor of
> Integrative Health & Healing magazine (and worked with him for 4 years)
and
> learned allabout the damage mercury and other heavy metals cause in the
> body. Electrical sensitivity is one of the biggest problems... so I'd
> recommend you all take a look at what's in your mouth - and what you've
been
> exposed to during your life (including TOXIC personal care and cleaning
> products) and get busy detoxing your life!
> The electrical sensitivity seems to go away with all that overload!
>
> If you'd like to know more, please contact me personally.
>
> Jan Jenson, OBDS
> Optimal Breathing Development Specialist
> Publisher, The Detox News
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:57:56 -0000
> From: "danceswild" <bmfb@pacbell.net>
> Subject: Microwave oven info?
>
>
> I am looking for a source of information on the dangers of microwave
> ovens to pass on to people who are not familiar with the issue. That
> means short and very well presented info is best. A website would be
> good. Thanks.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:01:18 -0000
> From: "danceswild" <bmfb@pacbell.net>
> Subject: Wireless Cafes
>
>
> Has anybody had experience in wireless cafes or other such wireless
> environments. I would like to know about meters to measure it.
> Someone told me about the hf dtekter a few days ago. Thanks.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:18:13 +0100
> From: "Buergerwelle e.V., Dachverband / BI Omega-CI Omega"
> <Star.Mail@t-online.de>
> Subject: Re: Microwave oven info?
>
> Dear Paul,
>
> here some information:
>
> Radiation Ovens: The Proven Dangers of Microwaves
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/485972/
>
> Microwave Oven Radiations Hazards & Standards
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/325594/
>
> Radiation Ovens: The Proven Dangers of Microwaves
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/325588/
>
> Nuked In Your Kitchen
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/305336/
>
> Do You Microwave Your Food ?
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/290594/
>
> The Effects of Microwave Apparatus on Food and Humans
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/290590/
>
> Microwave ovens cause cancer
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/283088/
>
> Still 'Cooking' With Microwaves?
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/209635/
>
> Microwaves
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/192056/
>
> Microwave–ovens cause cancer after all
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/189666/
>
> Microwaves are a hazard to life
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/189655/
>
> Man turns the Earth into a Microwave–Oven
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/189645/
>
>
> Best!
>
> Klaus
>
>
>
> danceswild schrieb:
>
> >I am looking for a source of information on the dangers of microwave
> >ovens to pass on to people who are not familiar with the issue. That
> >means short and very well presented info is best. A website would be
> >good. Thanks.
> >
> >Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:25:09 -0500
> From: "Less EMF Inc." <lessemf@lessemf.com>
> Subject: Re: Microwave oven info?
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> See http://www.lessemf.com/mw-stnds.html
>
> Emil
>
>
> At 06:57 PM 1/27/2005, you wrote:
>
>
> >I am looking for a source of information on the dangers of microwave
> >ovens to pass on to people who are not familiar with the issue. That
> >means short and very well presented info is best. A website would be
> >good. Thanks.
> >
> >Paul
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:46:16 -0000
> From: "devorah91" <devorah888@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Microwave oven info?
>
>
>
> Hi, if you type it into a google search you can take your pick on
> the many different web site's that have articles on the subject,
> there is alot of info out there....Debbie
>
>
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "danceswild" <bmfb@p...> wrote:
> >
> > I am looking for a source of information on the dangers of
> microwave
> > ovens to pass on to people who are not familiar with the issue.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:40:08 +1100
> From: "Benson, Sarah \(Sen L. Allison\)" <Sarah.Benson@aph.gov.au>
> Subject: RE: Microwave oven info?
>
> Do you mean their effects on food or people standing near them when
> they're on?
>
> Sarah
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: danceswild [mailto:bmfb@pacbell.net]
> Sent: Friday, 28 January 2005 5:58 AM
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [eSens] Microwave oven info?
>
>
>
>
> I am looking for a source of information on the dangers of microwave
> ovens to pass on to people who are not familiar with the issue. That
> means short and very well presented info is best. A website would be
> good. Thanks.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:47:08 -0500
> From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Microwave oven info?
>
> Yes. You'll get hit with quite a blast anywhere in the room from a
> microwave. Definitely don't let kids put their faces near them while
> they are cooking. My recommendation is to pull the cord on the thing
> and never use it unless you want to kill someone slowly.
> Andrew
> On Jan 27, 2005, at 9:40 PM, Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison) wrote:
>
> >
> > Do you mean their effects on food or people standing near them when
> > they're on?
> >
> > Sarah
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: danceswild [mailto:bmfb@pacbell.net]
> > Sent: Friday, 28 January 2005 5:58 AM
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [eSens] Microwave oven info?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am looking for a source of information on the dangers of microwave
> > ovens to pass on to people who are not familiar with the issue. That
> > means short and very well presented info is best. A website would be
> > good. Thanks.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:00:11 +1100
> From: "Benson, Sarah \(Sen L. Allison\)" <Sarah.Benson@aph.gov.au>
> Subject: RE: Microwave oven info?
>
> Agreed. What these ovens do to food is also not good. Apparently the
> radiation turns proteins into a substance that is not recognised by the
> body......its amazing how little research has been done into microwaved
> food and its effects on human health.
> Sarah
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew McAfee [mailto:amcafeerr@nc.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, 28 January 2005 3:47 PM
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Microwave oven info?
>
>
>
> Yes. You'll get hit with quite a blast anywhere in the room from a
> microwave. Definitely don't let kids put their faces near them while
> they are cooking. My recommendation is to pull the cord on the thing
> and never use it unless you want to kill someone slowly.
> Andrew
> On Jan 27, 2005, at 9:40 PM, Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison) wrote:
>
> >
> > Do you mean their effects on food or people standing near them when
> > they're on?
> >
> > Sarah
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: danceswild [mailto:bmfb@pacbell.net]
> > Sent: Friday, 28 January 2005 5:58 AM
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [eSens] Microwave oven info?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am looking for a source of information on the dangers of microwave
> > ovens to pass on to people who are not familiar with the issue. That
> > means short and very well presented info is best. A website would be
> > good. Thanks.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
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-GET THEM OUT...AND ONE MORE THING IF I MAY ADD..WHENEVER YOU DO A
ROUND OF ANTI-BIOTICS GET SOME PROBIOTICS IN YOU FROM YOUR LOCAL
HEALTH FOOD STORE....DEBBIE



-- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:
> > I got my ES, allergies and chemical sensitivity after six months
of
> > antibiotics and much emotional stress in my private life a few
month back.
>
> This sounds similar to what happened to me back back in 2000.
>
> > When at the dentist last week I was told that it might be time
to
>

>Sue isn't managing to digest nutrients effectively and
>reacts badly to most supplements, but we are finding that intravenous drips
>of things like glutathione seem to be helping - though expensive.

As soon as I read that Sue reacts badly to most supplements, it reminded me
of when I had this same problem. My solution too was to take glutathione
supplements.

You can get glutathione supplements of various forms that are more cost
effective than IV drip. Here are a few:

www.viruscontrols.com (HMS-90 - this is what I used to get relief from my
severe symptoms when I was very sensitive to supplements - I couldn't take a
single vitamin supplement (other than HMS-90) without having a major nervous
system reaction. It cost about $1.50 per dose).

www.ibf3.com (this is a glutathione supplement I have been testing to see
if I can use it rather than HMS-90, since it is about 1/2 the price. I get
a bit of a racing feeling in my nervous system when I take IBF3, so haven't
switched from HMS-90 yet. I don't get any side effects from HMS-90 -only
positive results).

I also learned that people that feel better on glutathione supplements
usually feel better eating sulphur based foods. So I increased my intake of
sulphur based foods. I eat eggs everyday and take magnesium sulphate baths,
and both help me to feel better.

Mercury bonds with sulphur throughout our bodies, and this is why some are
low on sulphur. My naturopath told me HMS-90 glutathione supplement is a
good source to replace sulphur in the body.

Some mercury sufferers have severe allergic reaction to sulphur, and have
same reaction with glutathione - so they need to stay away from sulphur
foods and glutathione supplements. One theory behind this is that our body
produces much more glutathione naturally when being invaded by mercury, and
adding glutathione in that case overloads the body.

Glenn

>From: "Sue and Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@ukgateway.net>
>Reply-To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
>To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [eSens] Digest Number 293 - mercury filings
>Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:07:39 -0000
>
>
>I can only say from our experience that if you are run down physically,
>with
>chemical sensitivity etc, that it is not a good time to have amalgam
>fillings removed. It definitely seemed to make Sue worse. Even with
>rubber
>dams, high vacuum etc, there seems to be no way of guaranteeing that no
>mercury vapour gets into the body - after all the amounts being released
>from amalgams everyday are extremely small, so if you're reacting to those
>tiny amounts, the result of the extraction could be a big problem. (If the
>fillings are showing signs of actual damage and leaks, though, that may be
>a
>good reason to take them out - tough choice!).
>
>On the other hand, some people report that if they have been built up
>physically first, they survive the filling removal better (see Marc's email
>a few days back). Sue isn't managing to digest nutrients effectively and
>reacts badly to most supplements, but we are finding that intravenous drips
>of things like glutathione seem to be helping - though expensive.
>
>Ian
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Hillel Wahrman" <whillel@hotmail.com>
>To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 6:28 PM
>Subject: Re: [eSens] Digest Number 293
>
>
> >
> > Taking out fillings
> >
> > I got my ES, allergies and chemical sensitivity after six months of
> > antibiotics and much emotional stress in my private life a few month
>back.
> > I also had triggerpoints (Fibromyalgia) since six years before that till
> > today, which I now wonder if its all related. When at the dentist last
>week
> > I was told that it might be time to change my old silver fillings , they
>are
> > close to 15 years old and show signs.
> >
> > From what I read here in the list, I am not sure what is worse, to have
>them
> > remain in the mouth or to handle them and take them out. Nobody here is
> > Israel ever heard of ES or ES related problems, and I fear that what
> > happened here to some - that their problems started while taking them
> > out!!! - will worsen my bad current condition. I am pretty run down. If
> > while taking them out I get more Mercury into my system , It might
>really
> > hurt me. What to do?
> >
> > HIllel
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> > To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:12 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Digest Number 293
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > There are 13 messages in this issue.
> >
> > Topics in this digest:
> >
> > 1. Re: ES inquiries
> > From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.com>
> > 2. Cara - Tapping the healer within - calm emotions
> > From: "Glenn Coleman" <glennhcoleman@hotmail.com>
> > 4. Re: ES inquiries
> > From: "Glenn Coleman" <glennhcoleman@hotmail.com>
> > 5. electrical shielding for new members
> > From: <vizual@alltel.net>
> > 6. Microwave oven info?
> > From: "danceswild" <bmfb@pacbell.net>
> > 7. Wireless Cafes
> > From: "danceswild" <bmfb@pacbell.net>
> > 8. Re: Microwave oven info?
> > From: "Buergerwelle e.V., Dachverband / BI Omega-CI Omega"
> > <Star.Mail@t-online.de>
> > 9. Re: Microwave oven info?
> > From: "Less EMF Inc." <lessemf@lessemf.com>
> > 10. Re: Microwave oven info?
> > From: "devorah91" <devorah888@sbcglobal.net>
> > 11. RE: Microwave oven info?
> > From: "Benson, Sarah \(Sen L. Allison\)"
> > <Sarah.Benson@aph.gov.au>
> > 12. Re: Microwave oven info?
> > From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc.rr.com>
> > 13. RE: Microwave oven info?
> > From: "Benson, Sarah \(Sen L. Allison\)"
> > <Sarah.Benson@aph.gov.au>
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:30:31 -0800
> > From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.com>
> > Subject: Re: ES inquiries
> >
> > >Sue's ES problems started shortly after she had her amalgam fillings
> > >removed!
> >
> > Yes, that's not too surprising -- I was luckier in this regard as
> > I had a naturopath who was building me up for about 8 months
> > prior to having my fillings out, and I also had found some
> > antioxidants and heavy metal chelators which worked well for
> > me.
> >
> > But at least it does show that mercury is a factor in Sue's problem.
> > Since that seems to be pretty common on this list, some of the
> > things which worked for us might also work for Sue. I'd suggest
> > looking at thyroid support, essential fatty acids, anti-oxidants,
> > essential "sugars", and EMF protection devices. But perhaps you've
> > already done some of that?
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:11:25 -0800
> > From: "Glenn Coleman" <glennhcoleman@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Cara - Tapping the healer within - calm emotions
> >
> > Cara,
> >
> > I was thinking about what you said about your husband getting negative
> > energy from emotions that you brought home from work.
> >
> > I was thinking that this type of energy could cause a domino effect, in
>that
> > if he fears you coming home, then he can get this negative energy even
>if
> > your emotions aren't high.
> >
> > There is a book that I have used to calm down my emotions in situations
>like
> > this. It is called "Tapping The Healer Within", "Using Thought Field
> > Therapy to Instantly Conquer Your Fears, Anxieties, and Emotional
>Distress",
> > by Roger J Callahan, PH.D.
> >
> > I used it when I first became very ill, when I had severe sensitivity to
> > energy of any humans. I was able to greatly reduce my sensitivity.
> >
> > It is almost like a form of acupuncture on my emotions. Very simple to
>use.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________

> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sue and Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@ukgateway.net>
> > To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:14 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] ES inquiries
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi - we are new members (my wife has ES and I act as her scribe)
> > and she is really struggling at the moment. We were wondering if
> > anyone had any positive or negative experiences of the following,
> > especially versions that can be bought in the UK:
> > >
> > > - shielded baseball caps or hats
> > > - wire mesh head shields
> > > - "Faraday cage" bed covers
> > > - earthing for passengers/seats on car journeys
> > >
> > > Sue is supposed to be going into hospital for treatment next week
> > but she is worried about coping with the journey there and with
> > staying in both the hospital and the guest house. Her worst ES
> > induced symptom is a severe tinnitus-type buzzing in the head, which
> > she finds it very hard to deal with.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Ian Kemp
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:16:20 -0800
> > From: "Glenn Coleman" <glennhcoleman@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: ES inquiries
> >
> > I have had a lot of head pain from mercury toxicity. It mostly felt
>like
> > major endless ear aches and a numb feeling in my head.
> >
> > I found meditation, energy work (shiatsu, pranic healing, medicine
>buddha),
> > and good nutrition to be the most rapid way to get some relief.
> >
> > One can still reduce side effects of mercury even if they haven't
>prepared
> > their body for amalgam removal. Naturopath type doctors can help allot
>to
> > start strengthening liver/kidneys/digestive tract and reduce yeast and
> > toxins, so there is less toxicity causing symptoms. Otherwise one can
>end
> > up with a toxic traffic jam as body attempts to process mercury.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> > >From: "Sue and Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@ukgateway.net>
> > >Reply-To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [eSens] ES inquiries
> > >Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:12:31 -0000
> > >
> > >Thanks Marc. I've been gradually composing a longer email which gives
>more
> > >details of Sue's experiences, which I should complete in the next day
>or
> > >two!. One particularly ironic thing is on mercury filllings removal -
> > >Sue's ES problems started shortly after she had her amalgam fillings
> > >removed! They appear to be a side effect of her immune system being
>badly
> > >run down (chemical sensitivity happened first), and we have since seen
> > >several reports that mercury amalgam removal is unwise unless you are
>in
> > >good condition physically or have undergone some pre-treatment to build
>you
> > >up. Certainly that seems to be our experience.
> > >
> > >Ian
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Marc Martin
> > > To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 5:50 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] ES inquiries
> > >
> > >
> > > > - shielded baseball caps or hats
> > > > - wire mesh head shields
> > >
> > > I've tried some head shielding, and it only seemed to make me worse.
> > > Any metal near your head is going to act like an antenna for EMF.
> > >
> > > > Sue is supposed to be going into hospital for treatment next week
> > >
> > > Treatment specifically for ES?
> > >
> > > >Her worst ES induced symptom is a severe tinnitus-type buzzing in
>the
> > >head
> > >
> > > Does she have any metal dental work? If so, she probably should get
> > > that removed by a "mercury-free" dentist.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
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> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:26:31 -0600
> > From: <vizual@alltel.net>
> > Subject: electrical shielding for new members
> >
> >
> > For new (and old members) who are suffering from electrical
>sensitivity...
> > I USED to have terrible electrical sensitivity - and Fibromyalgia.
> > Since having all my amalgams removed (those "silver" fillings that are
>over
> > HALF MERCURY!!) and detoxing my body through oral chelation, cilantro
>pesto,
> > detox pads on the bottom of my feet and switching to about 80 percent
>RAW
> > diet, my electrical sensitivity and need for sunglasses much of the time
>has
> > gone away!
> >
> > I was also a welder for over 22 years. I could grab a 60 watt light
>bulb
> > and it would light up. I had such severe fibro and chronic fatigue in
>1997
> > I felt I was headed for a wheel chair... Then Imet the editor of
> > Integrative Health & Healing magazine (and worked with him for 4 years)
>and
> > learned allabout the damage mercury and other heavy metals cause in the
> > body. Electrical sensitivity is one of the biggest problems... so I'd
> > recommend you all take a look at what's in your mouth - and what you've
>been
> > exposed to during your life (including TOXIC personal care and cleaning
> > products) and get busy detoxing your life!
> > The electrical sensitivity seems to go away with all that overload!
> >
> > If you'd like to know more, please contact me personally.
> >
> > Jan Jenson, OBDS
> > Optimal Breathing Development Specialist
> > Publisher, The Detox News
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:57:56 -0000
> > From: "danceswild" <bmfb@pacbell.net>
> > Subject: Microwave oven info?
> >
> >
> > I am looking for a source of information on the dangers of microwave
> > ovens to pass on to people who are not familiar with the issue. That
> > means short and very well presented info is best. A website would be
> > good. Thanks.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:01:18 -0000
> > From: "danceswild" <bmfb@pacbell.net>
> > Subject: Wireless Cafes
> >
> >
> > Has anybody had experience in wireless cafes or other such wireless
> > environments. I would like to know about meters to measure it.
> > Someone told me about the hf dtekter a few days ago. Thanks.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:18:13 +0100
> > From: "Buergerwelle e.V., Dachverband / BI Omega-CI Omega"
> > <Star.Mail@t-online.de>
> > Subject: Re: Microwave oven info?
> >
> > Dear Paul,
> >
> > here some information:
> >
> > Radiation Ovens: The Proven Dangers of Microwaves
> > http://omega.twoday.net/stories/485972/
> >
> > Microwave Oven Radiations Hazards & Standards
> > http://omega.twoday.net/stories/325594/
> >
> > Radiation Ovens: The Proven Dangers of Microwaves
> > http://omega.twoday.net/stories/325588/
> >
> > Nuked In Your Kitchen
> > http://omega.twoday.net/stories/305336/
> >
> > Do You Microwave Your Food ?
> > http://omega.twoday.net/stories/290594/
> >
> > The Effects of Microwave Apparatus on Food and Humans
> > http://omega.twoday.net/stories/290590/
> >
> > Microwave ovens cause cancer
> > http://omega.twoday.net/stories/283088/
> >
> > Still 'Cooking' With Microwaves?
> > http://omega.twoday.net/stories/209635/
> >
> > Microwaves
> > http://omega.twoday.net/stories/192056/
> >
> > Microwave–ovens cause cancer after all
> > http://omega.twoday.net/stories/189666/
> >
> > Microwaves are a hazard to life
> > http://omega.twoday.net/stories/189655/
> >
> > Man turns the Earth into a Microwave–Oven
> > http://omega.twoday.net/stories/189645/
> >
> >
> > Best!
> >
> > Klaus
> >
> >
> >
> > danceswild schrieb:
> >
> > >I am looking for a source of information on the dangers of microwave
> > >ovens to pass on to people who are not familiar with the issue. That
> > >means short and very well presented info is best. A website would be
> > >good. Thanks.
> > >
> > >Paul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:25:09 -0500
> > From: "Less EMF Inc." <lessemf@lessemf.com>
> > Subject: Re: Microwave oven info?
> >
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > See http://www.lessemf.com/mw-stnds.html
> >
> > Emil
> >
> >
> > At 06:57 PM 1/27/2005, you wrote:
> >
> >
> > >I am looking for a source of information on the dangers of microwave
> > >ovens to pass on to people who are not familiar with the issue. That
> > >means short and very well presented info is best. A website would be
> > >good. Thanks.
> > >
> > >Paul
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:46:16 -0000
> > From: "devorah91" <devorah888@sbcglobal.net>
> > Subject: Re: Microwave oven info?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi, if you type it into a google search you can take your pick on
> > the many different web site's that have articles on the subject,
> > there is alot of info out there....Debbie
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "danceswild" <bmfb@p...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am looking for a source of information on the dangers of
> > microwave
> > > ovens to pass on to people who are not familiar with the issue.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:40:08 +1100
> > From: "Benson, Sarah \(Sen L. Allison\)" <Sarah.Benson@aph.gov.au>
> > Subject: RE: Microwave oven info?
> >
> > Do you mean their effects on food or people standing near them when
> > they're on?
> >
> > Sarah
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: danceswild [mailto:bmfb@pacbell.net]
> > Sent: Friday, 28 January 2005 5:58 AM
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [eSens] Microwave oven info?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am looking for a source of information on the dangers of microwave
> > ovens to pass on to people who are not familiar with the issue. That
> > means short and very well presented info is best. A website would be
> > good. Thanks.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:47:08 -0500
> > From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: Microwave oven info?
> >
> > Yes. You'll get hit with quite a blast anywhere in the room from a
> > microwave. Definitely don't let kids put their faces near them while
> > they are cooking. My recommendation is to pull the cord on the thing
> > and never use it unless you want to kill someone slowly.
> > Andrew
> > On Jan 27, 2005, at 9:40 PM, Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison) wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Do you mean their effects on food or people standing near them when
> > > they're on?
> > >
> > > Sarah
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: danceswild [mailto:bmfb@pacbell.net]
> > > Sent: Friday, 28 January 2005 5:58 AM
> > > To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [eSens] Microwave oven info?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am looking for a source of information on the dangers of microwave
> > > ovens to pass on to people who are not familiar with the issue. That
> > > means short and very well presented info is best. A website would be
> > > good. Thanks.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:00:11 +1100
> > From: "Benson, Sarah \(Sen L. Allison\)" <Sarah.Benson@aph.gov.au>
> > Subject: RE: Microwave oven info?
> >
> > Agreed. What these ovens do to food is also not good. Apparently the
> > radiation turns proteins into a substance that is not recognised by the
> > body......its amazing how little research has been done into microwaved
> > food and its effects on human health.
> > Sarah
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andrew McAfee [mailto:amcafeerr@nc.rr.com]
> > Sent: Friday, 28 January 2005 3:47 PM
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Microwave oven info?
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes. You'll get hit with quite a blast anywhere in the room from a
> > microwave. Definitely don't let kids put their faces near them while
> > they are cooking. My recommendation is to pull the cord on the thing
> > and never use it unless you want to kill someone slowly.
> > Andrew
> > On Jan 27, 2005, at 9:40 PM, Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison) wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Do you mean their effects on food or people standing near them when
> > > they're on?
> > >
> > > Sarah
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: danceswild [mailto:bmfb@pacbell.net]
> > > Sent: Friday, 28 January 2005 5:58 AM
> > > To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [eSens] Microwave oven info?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am looking for a source of information on the dangers of microwave
> > > ovens to pass on to people who are not familiar with the issue. That
> > > means short and very well presented info is best. A website would be
> > > good. Thanks.
> > >
> > > Paul
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Antibiotics also deplete the body of B vitamins.

Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: devorah91 [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Sunday, 30 January 2005 6:00 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: mercury fillings




-GET THEM OUT...AND ONE MORE THING IF I MAY ADD..WHENEVER YOU DO A
ROUND OF ANTI-BIOTICS GET SOME PROBIOTICS IN YOU FROM YOUR LOCAL
HEALTH FOOD STORE....DEBBIE



-- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:
> > I got my ES, allergies and chemical sensitivity after six months
of
> > antibiotics and much emotional stress in my private life a few
month back.
>
> This sounds similar to what happened to me back back in 2000.
>
> > When at the dentist last week I was told that it might be time
to
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