Hey, thanks so much for all the great advice regarding Tom's ES. You guys
are awesome. We are working on putting it into practice. We've got appointments made for the dentist to get the metal fillings out. We have changed his diet to fruits, vegies, nuts, seeds and whole grains. He is showing signs of detoxing just from that. Have any of you heard of Energetic Health Equipment called QXCI, Scenar, VIBE, and Aqua Chi. Here is a website for you to read about it. www.lachaimhealth.com We are going to go talk to them about it today. It seems like it may be able to help Tom. Again, thanks to Marc, Andrew and Glenn for your excellent advice and help. Blessings, Tom and Susan -------Original Message------- From: [hidden email] Date: 11/08/04 10:45:31 To: [hidden email] Subject: [eSens] Digest Number 226 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/H9SolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> There are 5 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. New Member From: "T&S Parker" <[hidden email]> 2. Re: New Member From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> 3. Re: New Member From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> 4. Re: New Member From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> 5. RE: New Member From: "Glenn Coleman" <[hidden email]> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:23:57 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "T&S Parker" <[hidden email]> Subject: New Member Hi, we just discovered that my husband has ES and are trying to get information on what we can do for him. We've gone through all the garbage with medical doctors running every test in the book on him. Every one of them turned out negative, of course. We figured out what he had off of the internet. It was amazing to finally find a name that fit the symptoms that he has. He has worked in a clean-room manufacturing computer chips for nine years now. All of his symptoms are on the left side of his body. When he has an episode, his eye droops, his lip curls up, the left side of his tongue swells and makes him talk funny, the foot turns in and drags, and the hand swells and curls up. He is totally drained of energy during an episode and it slows down his thinking processes. His episodes can last anywhere from a few hours to three days. He can't watch t.v., work on the computer, talk on the cell phone or be around radio towers. Doing any of the above will send him into an immediate episode. The thing that made us start thinking that it was work-related is when he had an MRI done. While he was in the MRI, his face squeezed together and he felt like his eyeballs were going to pop out and his left hand curled up in a tight fist and he couldn't move it. The MRI is one big magnet. The machines he works around are the same way. They have big, powerful magnets in them. That's when we started thinking about the electromagnetic fields and their affect on him. We have heard that people with EHS have a high level of toxins in their body How do we get rid of them? How do you reduce your exposure to EMF's when it's all around. Any tips on how to deal with this in an effective way would be awesome. Tom and Susan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:59:53 -0800 From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: New Member Welcome to the list, Tom & Susan, > It was amazing to finally find a name that fit the symptoms that > he has. Yes, it took me over a half a year to learn of the term "electrical sensitivity", and that followed another year of not even realizing that electricity was causing my symptoms! > He has worked in a clean-room manufacturing computer chips for nine > years now. In the eSens "files" area is a PDF of an interesting book relating hundreds of ES people's experiences -- how they got the illness, etc. This book has only recently been translated into English, so I'm just making my way through it. One thing that was interesting to me is that a lot of people get this illness due to the offgassing of computer components. One theory is that the chemical involved are neurotoxins. > All of his symptoms are on the left side of his body. Hmmmm... I'm not sure what would cause this... the only thing which comes to mind is perhaps a gold filling surrounded by silver fillings (?) > We have heard that people with EHS have a high level of toxins in their body > How do we get rid of them? One thing to do is to start eating healthier -- eliminate as much (as much as you can stand) processed foods, cooked foods, junk foods, alcohol, caffeine... and replace it with whole grains, vegetables, seeds, nuts, etc. If you know your husbands blood type, look up the dietary recommendations for the "eat right for your type" diet. Also, ES folks should try to remove as much metals on their body, as it just attracts EMF to them. Replace metal dental work with composits, replace metal-framed glasses with plastic framed glasses, don't keep your car keys on you all the time, etc. On top of all that, depending on where you live, try and find an alternative health / holistic practioner that might be able to give you herbs, etc. to assist in the detoxification process. And if you're not happy with the person you find, find another one (I've gone through over 10 health practitioners until I found someone I was happy with). Also, trying steam rooms and saunas might help. The key is to don't overdo it -- when you detox, the toxins are flowing through your bloodstream and need to be processed by your livers and kidneys. And usually if you're incapacitated, these organs are working 100%. > How do you reduce your exposure to EMF's when > it's all around. Replace florescent lights with incandescent lights. Reduce the resolution on your computer monitor (or perhaps find an older one). Also, you might want to try a few EMF protection devices and see if they help any. For me, I wouldn't have been able to return to my job or live a semi-normal life without these. For me, Springlife Polarizers and Quantum Products do the trick -- other people have their own favorite products. > Any tips on how to deal with this in an effective way > would be awesome. Well, you found us, so hopefully you'll be making some good progress now! Marc ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 23:28:53 -0800 From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: New Member > We have heard that people with EHS have a high level of toxins in their body > How do we get rid of them? How do you reduce your exposure to EMF's when > it's all around. Any tips on how to deal with this in an effective way > would be awesome. Oh, on top of the regular dietary recommendations, you might want to experiment with electrolytes (e.g, there is a supplement called e-Lyte, but others have luck with magnesium/potassium), antioxidants (although I had no improvement from regular vitamin A/C/E pills, I did get improvement from foods high in these, or supplements made from foods high in these). Also foods/supplements/herbs which bind to toxins your bloodstream ("blood cleansers"), as this takes some of the load off your liver & kidneys (echinacea is a blood/lymph cleaner). Also, I've personally gotten good results from the sea vegetable/aloe vera nutritonal drinks on the market (I use "sea energy" now, but have in the past also used "seasilver"). Also, probiotics seem to bind/neutralize toxins in your digestive system (I use "primal defense" for this, but have found other probiotics to also work). Also, you should try to limit any foods/supplements which make your sensitivity worse. For me, this includes oranges, salt, chlorella, and certain EMF protection devices (some of them seem to make me MORE sensitive to EMF, e.g., the personal rejuvenizer, the harmonic protector, and the sacred geometry medallions). Marc ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:12:27 -0500 From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: New Member Tom and Susan, Welcome to the list. The book "The Invisible Disease" by Gunni Nordstrom talks about people specifically with your symptoms related to your work. You might find solace in knowing you are not alone in your condition and have supporting evidence that you are not crazy. I have learned that our nerves and enzyme production are really messed up from EMF and toxins. I highly recommend getting some good digestive enzymes and taking them regularly. As you go through your detox, make sure your bowels are clear (mercury is released most from sweating and through the feces) with colonic products like Oxy-powder or whatever your holistic health adviser recommends. It is essential to rebuild the digestive system with Probiotics and food with good bacteria like raw organic milk, kefir, colostrum, butter, and cheese. I think these are great for rebuilding and maintaining the intestines and removing toxins. Animal fat is good! Read "The Cholesterol Myth" or "Nourishing Traditions" if this is new info to you. You will get an abundance of recommendations regarding vitamins, homeopathic remedies, therapies, shielding devices, etc., from this great list. In short, exercise regularly, eat empowering and rejuvenating foods with plenty of B vitamins, (no aspartame or other sweeteners) remove yourself from the source of the EMF or toxic problem, get shielding, RF (Radio Frequency) meters and Gauss (Magnetic field) meters from LessEMF.com or other websites, rebuild your system with Acupuncture, homeopathic remedies, vitamins, detox programs... No more MRI's. I have at least a hundred different things that I do to heal myself and I won't flood you with them all now. Welcome to our group and may you heal quickly and share what works for you. Andrew Andrew McAfee 105 Woodstream Drive Cary, NC 27511 On Nov 8, 2004, at 12:23 AM, T&S Parker wrote: > > > Hi, we just discovered that my husband has ES and are trying to get > information on what we can do for him. We've gone through all the > garbage > with medical doctors running every test in the book on him. Every > one of > them turned out negative, of course. We figured out what he had off > of the > internet. It was amazing to finally find a name that fit the symptoms > that > he has. He has worked in a clean-room manufacturing computer chips > for nine > years now. All of his symptoms are on the left side of his body. > When he > has an episode, his eye droops, his lip curls up, the left side of his > tongue swells and makes him talk funny, the foot turns in and drags, > and the > hand swells and curls up. He is totally drained of energy during an > episode and it slows down his thinking processes. His episodes can > last > anywhere from a few hours to three days. He can't watch t.v., work on > the > computer, talk on the cell phone or be around radio towers. Doing any > of > the above will send him into an immediate episode. The thing that made > us > start thinking that it was work-related is when he had an MRI done. > While > he was in the MRI, his face squeezed together and he felt like his > eyeballs > were going to pop out and his left hand curled up in a tight fist and > he > couldn't move it. The MRI is one big magnet. The machines he works > around > are the same way. They have big, powerful magnets in them. That's > when we > started thinking about the electromagnetic fields and their affect on > him. > > We have heard that people with EHS have a high level of toxins in > their body > How do we get rid of them? How do you reduce your exposure to > EMF's when > it's all around. Any tips on how to deal with this in an effective > way > would be awesome. > > > Tom and Susan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 07:31:15 -0800 From: "Glenn Coleman" <[hidden email]> Subject: RE: New Member Many people with ES discover mercury from amalgam fillings to be a major contributor to their condition. Replacing fillings & mercury detox has been a major step towards relief for many. The key is to get our digestion system in order before trying mercury detox (or toxins will increase and make symptoms worse). Glenn ----Original Message Follows---- From: "T&S Parker" <[hidden email]> Reply-To: [hidden email] To: <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] New Member Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:23:57 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) Hi, we just discovered that my husband has ES and are trying to get information on what we can do for him. We've gone through all the garbage with medical doctors running every test in the book on him. Every one of them turned out negative, of course. We figured out what he had off of the internet. It was amazing to finally find a name that fit the symptoms that he has. He has worked in a clean-room manufacturing computer chips for nine years now. All of his symptoms are on the left side of his body. When he has an episode, his eye droops, his lip curls up, the left side of his tongue swells and makes him talk funny, the foot turns in and drags, and the hand swells and curls up. He is totally drained of energy during an episode and it slows down his thinking processes. His episodes can last anywhere from a few hours to three days. He can't watch t.v., work on the computer, talk on the cell phone or be around radio towers. Doing any of the above will send him into an immediate episode. The thing that made us start thinking that it was work-related is when he had an MRI done. While he was in the MRI, his face squeezed together and he felt like his eyeballs were going to pop out and his left hand curled up in a tight fist and he couldn't move it. The MRI is one big magnet. The machines he works around are the same way. They have big, powerful magnets in them. That's when we started thinking about the electromagnetic fields and their affect on him. We have heard that people with EHS have a high level of toxins in their body How do we get rid of them? How do you reduce your exposure to EMF's when it's all around. Any tips on how to deal with this in an effective way would be awesome. Tom and Susan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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> fillings out. Hopefully this is with a holistic dentist, who will be taking the proper precautions to prevent mercury exposure during the removal? I've seen reports of people getting all of their fillings taken out by a regular dentist which just made them worse... > changed his diet to fruits, vegies, nuts, seeds and > whole grains. He is showing signs of detoxing just > from that. Great! That means he may not be that bad off. Some people are so bad off that they don't respond to things. Just note that if he gets too miserable from the detox, back off or take a break. There's no good reason to be too miserable during this process, as it's probably going to take a while. > QXCI, Scenar, VIBE, and Aqua Chi. I was tested using a QXCI once, and the person said that I was the healthiest person they'd ever tested! However, since I still had ES, I can't imagine how that diagnosis could have been accurate... Also, when I suggested to eat things high in polysaccarides, I didn't realize that this was already a popular, proven way to recover from chronic fatigue. These foods are called "Glyco-Nutrients", and are unique because they contain "essential sugars" that ill people cannot manufacture on their own. So, if you're not eating some specific foods (kelp, aloe vera, oats, echinacea, bovine cartlidge, shiitake mushroom, etc.), then you're probably not getting these sugars. There's a company called MannaTech which sells a supplement called Ambrotose that contains all 8 essential sugars and has a wide range of positive testimonials -- I'm going to try this to see if it can be used to replace the aloe vera juice and "Sea Energy" that I've been consuming every day for a LONG time... Marc |
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I can vouch for the QXCI and the Q2 which is a foot bath like the Aqua
Chi. I have not done the Aqua Chi. I highly recommend the QXCI for a full diagnosis. See if you can find a person that is either an acupuncturist or a homeopathic doctor that uses the QXCI. I have had 3 sessions with the Q2 and have released a lot of crap into the water and have felt a little better, more energy, etc. I also highly recommend raw organic colostrum and butter. I feel for you because I too am searching and experimenting. Toxins come in many forms; pesticides, fumes from plastic around the computer, vaccine contaminants, radiation, on light bulbs, chemicals released around TVs and monitors, as well as the EMF from Flourescent lights, cell phones, towers, etc. Homeopathic remedies are very useful once you pin point the CAUSE. QXCI is good for finding CAUSATIVE FACTORS. good luck! Andrew On Nov 15, 2004, at 3:09 PM, T&S Parker wrote: > > Hey, thanks so much for all the great advice regarding Tom's ES. You > guys > are awesome. We are working on putting it into practice. We've got > appointments made for the dentist to get the metal fillings out. We > have > changed his diet to fruits, vegies, nuts, seeds and whole grains. He > is > showing signs of detoxing just from that. Have any of you heard of > Energetic Health Equipment called QXCI, Scenar, VIBE, and Aqua Chi. > Here is > a website for you to read about it. www.lachaimhealth.com We are > going to > go talk to them about it today. It seems like it may be able to help > Tom. > Again, thanks to Marc, Andrew and Glenn for your excellent advice and > help. > > Blessings, > > Tom and Susan > -------Original Message------- > > From: [hidden email] > Date: 11/08/04 10:45:31 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [eSens] Digest Number 226 > > > There are 5 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. New Member > From: "T&S Parker" <[hidden email]> > 2. Re: New Member > From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> > 3. Re: New Member > From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> > 4. Re: New Member > From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> > 5. RE: New Member > From: "Glenn Coleman" <[hidden email]> > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:23:57 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) > From: "T&S Parker" <[hidden email]> > Subject: New Member > > > Hi, we just discovered that my husband has ES and are trying to get > information on what we can do for him. We've gone through all the > garbage > with medical doctors running every test in the book on him. Every > one of > them turned out negative, of course. We figured out what he had off > of the > internet. It was amazing to finally find a name that fit the symptoms > that > he has. He has worked in a clean-room manufacturing computer chips > for nine > years now. All of his symptoms are on the left side of his body. > When he > has an episode, his eye droops, his lip curls up, the left side of his > tongue swells and makes him talk funny, the foot turns in and drags, > and the > hand swells and curls up. He is totally drained of energy during an > episode and it slows down his thinking processes. His episodes can > last > anywhere from a few hours to three days. He can't watch t.v., work on > the > computer, talk on the cell phone or be around radio towers. Doing any > of > the above will send him into an immediate episode. The thing that made > us > start thinking that it was work-related is when he had an MRI done. > While > he was in the MRI, his face squeezed together and he felt like his > eyeballs > were going to pop out and his left hand curled up in a tight fist and > he > couldn't move it. The MRI is one big magnet. The machines he works > around > are the same way. They have big, powerful magnets in them. That's > when we > started thinking about the electromagnetic fields and their affect on > him. > > We have heard that people with EHS have a high level of toxins in > their body > How do we get rid of them? How do you reduce your exposure to > EMF's when > it's all around. Any tips on how to deal with this in an effective > way > would be awesome. > > > Tom and Susan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:59:53 -0800 > From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: New Member > > Welcome to the list, Tom & Susan, > >> It was amazing to finally find a name that fit the symptoms that >> he has. > > Yes, it took me over a half a year to learn of the term "electrical > sensitivity", and that followed another year of not even realizing > that electricity was causing my symptoms! > >> He has worked in a clean-room manufacturing computer chips for nine >> years now. > > In the eSens "files" area is a PDF of an interesting book relating > hundreds of ES people's experiences -- how they got the illness, > etc. This book has only recently been translated into English, > so I'm just making my way through it. One thing that was interesting > to me is that a lot of people get this illness due to the offgassing > of computer components. One theory is that the chemical involved > are neurotoxins. > >> All of his symptoms are on the left side of his body. > > Hmmmm... I'm not sure what would cause this... the only thing > which comes to mind is perhaps a gold filling surrounded by > silver fillings (?) > >> We have heard that people with EHS have a high level of toxins in >> their > body >> How do we get rid of them? > > One thing to do is to start eating healthier -- eliminate as much > (as much as you can stand) processed foods, cooked foods, junk > foods, alcohol, caffeine... and replace it with whole grains, > vegetables, seeds, nuts, etc. If you know your husbands blood > type, look up the dietary recommendations for the "eat right for > your type" diet. > > Also, ES folks should try to remove as much metals on their body, > as it just attracts EMF to them. Replace metal dental work > with composits, replace metal-framed glasses with plastic framed > glasses, don't keep your car keys on you all the time, etc. > > On top of all that, depending on where you live, try and find > an alternative health / holistic practioner that might be able > to give you herbs, etc. to assist in the detoxification process. > And if you're not happy with the person you find, find another > one (I've gone through over 10 health practitioners until I > found someone I was happy with). > > Also, trying steam rooms and saunas might help. > > The key is to don't overdo it -- when you detox, the toxins > are flowing through your bloodstream and need to be processed > by your livers and kidneys. And usually if you're incapacitated, > these organs are working 100%. > >> How do you reduce your exposure to EMF's when >> it's all around. > > Replace florescent lights with incandescent lights. Reduce > the resolution on your computer monitor (or perhaps find > an older one). Also, you might want to try a few EMF protection > devices and see if they help any. For me, I wouldn't have > been able to return to my job or live a semi-normal life > without these. For me, Springlife Polarizers and Quantum > Products do the trick -- other people have their own favorite > products. > >> Any tips on how to deal with this in an effective way >> would be awesome. > > Well, you found us, so hopefully you'll be making some good > progress now! > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 23:28:53 -0800 > From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: New Member > >> We have heard that people with EHS have a high level of toxins in >> their > body >> How do we get rid of them? How do you reduce your exposure to EMF's >> when >> it's all around. Any tips on how to deal with this in an effective >> way >> would be awesome. > > Oh, on top of the regular dietary recommendations, you might want to > experiment with electrolytes (e.g, there is a supplement called e-Lyte, > but others have luck with magnesium/potassium), antioxidants (although > I had no improvement from regular vitamin A/C/E pills, I did get > improvement > from > foods high in these, or supplements made from foods high in these). > Also foods/supplements/herbs which bind to toxins your bloodstream > ("blood cleansers"), as this takes some of the load off your liver & > kidneys (echinacea is a blood/lymph cleaner). Also, I've personally > gotten good results from the sea vegetable/aloe vera nutritonal drinks > on the market (I use "sea energy" now, but have in the past also used > "seasilver"). Also, probiotics seem to bind/neutralize toxins in your > digestive system (I use "primal defense" for this, but have found > other probiotics to also work). > > Also, you should try to limit any foods/supplements which make your > sensitivity > worse. For me, this includes oranges, salt, chlorella, and certain > EMF protection devices (some of them seem to make me MORE sensitive > to EMF, e.g., the personal rejuvenizer, the harmonic protector, > and the sacred geometry medallions). > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:12:27 -0500 > From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: New Member > > Tom and Susan, > Welcome to the list. > The book "The Invisible Disease" by Gunni Nordstrom talks about people > specifically with your symptoms related to your work. You might find > solace in knowing you are not alone in your condition and have > supporting evidence that you are not crazy. > > I have learned that our nerves and enzyme production are really messed > up from EMF and toxins. I highly recommend getting some good digestive > enzymes and taking them regularly. As you go through your detox, make > sure your bowels are clear (mercury is released most from sweating and > through the feces) with colonic products like Oxy-powder or whatever > your holistic health adviser recommends. > > It is essential to rebuild the digestive system with Probiotics and > food with good bacteria like raw organic milk, kefir, colostrum, > butter, and cheese. I think these are great for rebuilding and > maintaining the intestines and removing toxins. > Animal fat is good! Read "The Cholesterol Myth" or "Nourishing > Traditions" if this is new info to you. > > You will get an abundance of recommendations regarding vitamins, > homeopathic remedies, therapies, shielding devices, etc., from this > great list. > In short, > exercise regularly, > eat empowering and rejuvenating foods with plenty of B vitamins, (no > aspartame or other sweeteners) > remove yourself from the source of the EMF or toxic problem, > get shielding, RF (Radio Frequency) meters and Gauss (Magnetic field) > meters from LessEMF.com or other websites, > rebuild your system with Acupuncture, homeopathic remedies, vitamins, > detox programs... > No more MRI's. > > I have at least a hundred different things that I do to heal myself and > I won't flood you with them all now. > > > Welcome to our group and may you heal quickly and share what works for > you. > Andrew > > > > Andrew McAfee > > > 105 Woodstream Drive > Cary, NC 27511 > > On Nov 8, 2004, at 12:23 AM, T&S Parker wrote: > >> >> >> Hi, we just discovered that my husband has ES and are trying to get >> information on what we can do for him. We've gone through all the >> garbage >> with medical doctors running every test in the book on him. Every >> one of >> them turned out negative, of course. We figured out what he had off >> of the >> internet. It was amazing to finally find a name that fit the symptoms >> that >> he has. He has worked in a clean-room manufacturing computer chips >> for nine >> years now. All of his symptoms are on the left side of his body. >> When he >> has an episode, his eye droops, his lip curls up, the left side of his >> tongue swells and makes him talk funny, the foot turns in and drags, >> and the >> hand swells and curls up. He is totally drained of energy during an >> episode and it slows down his thinking processes. His episodes can >> last >> anywhere from a few hours to three days. He can't watch t.v., work on >> the >> computer, talk on the cell phone or be around radio towers. Doing any >> of >> the above will send him into an immediate episode. The thing that made >> us >> start thinking that it was work-related is when he had an MRI done. >> While >> he was in the MRI, his face squeezed together and he felt like his >> eyeballs >> were going to pop out and his left hand curled up in a tight fist and >> he >> couldn't move it. The MRI is one big magnet. The machines he works >> around >> are the same way. They have big, powerful magnets in them. That's >> when we >> started thinking about the electromagnetic fields and their affect on >> him. >> >> We have heard that people with EHS have a high level of toxins in >> their body >> How do we get rid of them? How do you reduce your exposure to >> EMF's when >> it's all around. Any tips on how to deal with this in an effective >> way >> would be awesome. >> >> >> Tom and Susan >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 07:31:15 -0800 > From: "Glenn Coleman" <[hidden email]> > Subject: RE: New Member > > Many people with ES discover mercury from amalgam fillings to be a > major > contributor to their condition. Replacing fillings & mercury detox > has been > a major step towards relief for many. The key is to get our digestion > system in order before trying mercury detox (or toxins will increase > and > make symptoms worse). > > Glenn > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "T&S Parker" <[hidden email]> > Reply-To: [hidden email] > To: <[hidden email]> > Subject: [eSens] New Member > Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:23:57 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) > > > Hi, we just discovered that my husband has ES and are trying to get > information on what we can do for him. We've gone through all the > garbage > with medical doctors running every test in the book on him. Every > one of > them turned out negative, of course. We figured out what he had off > of the > internet. It was amazing to finally find a name that fit the symptoms > that > he has. He has worked in a clean-room manufacturing computer chips > for nine > years now. All of his symptoms are on the left side of his body. > When he > has an episode, his eye droops, his lip curls up, the left side of his > tongue swells and makes him talk funny, the foot turns in and drags, > and the > hand swells and curls up. He is totally drained of energy during an > episode and it slows down his thinking processes. His episodes can > last > anywhere from a few hours to three days. He can't watch t.v., work on > the > computer, talk on the cell phone or be around radio towers. Doing any > of > the above will send him into an immediate episode. The thing that made > us > start thinking that it was work-related is when he had an MRI done. > While > he was in the MRI, his face squeezed together and he felt like his > eyeballs > were going to pop out and his left hand curled up in a tight fist and > he > couldn't move it. The MRI is one big magnet. The machines he works > around > are the same way. They have big, powerful magnets in them. That's > when we > started thinking about the electromagnetic fields and their affect on > him. > > We have heard that people with EHS have a high level of toxins in > their body > How do we get rid of them? How do you reduce your exposure to > EMF's > when > it's all around. Any tips on how to deal with this in an effective > way > would be awesome. > > > Tom and Susan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > |
The first time I've seen QXCI has impressioned me very much, so I decided to evaluate it better for purchaising (and use it in support to my dentist). Then I found several used units at about 5000 $
I asked to one of the vendors why he was selling it and he said to me find more accurate this unit : www.bioenergeticmedicine.org This site write a lot of info about QXCI and say it is NOT a FREQUENCY DEVICE but a RADIONIC SYSTEM (like his device). Now, I can't understand how work a radionic system and I'm rather sceptic about this (the biggest dubt is the NO REPRODUCIBILITY of the tests). If the claim of CoRe inventor is true, QXCI is a quack?! (cables everywhere that doesn't do nothing!) Another fact make me wondered, QXCI people say their device is FDA registered but I CAN'T FIND QXCI in the www.fda.com This device seems more intresesting www.ondamed.net What do you think? Daniele ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew McAfee To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 2:10 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Digest Number 226 I can vouch for the QXCI and the Q2 which is a foot bath like the Aqua Chi. I have not done the Aqua Chi. I highly recommend the QXCI for a full diagnosis. See if you can find a person that is either an acupuncturist or a homeopathic doctor that uses the QXCI. I have had 3 sessions with the Q2 and have released a lot of crap into the water and have felt a little better, more energy, etc. I also highly recommend raw organic colostrum and butter. I feel for you because I too am searching and experimenting. Toxins come in many forms; pesticides, fumes from plastic around the computer, vaccine contaminants, radiation, on light bulbs, chemicals released around TVs and monitors, as well as the EMF from Flourescent lights, cell phones, towers, etc. Homeopathic remedies are very useful once you pin point the CAUSE. QXCI is good for finding CAUSATIVE FACTORS. good luck! Andrew On Nov 15, 2004, at 3:09 PM, T&S Parker wrote: > > Hey, thanks so much for all the great advice regarding Tom's ES. You > guys > are awesome. We are working on putting it into practice. We've got > appointments made for the dentist to get the metal fillings out. We > have > changed his diet to fruits, vegies, nuts, seeds and whole grains. He > is > showing signs of detoxing just from that. Have any of you heard of > Energetic Health Equipment called QXCI, Scenar, VIBE, and Aqua Chi. > Here is > a website for you to read about it. www.lachaimhealth.com We are > going to > go talk to them about it today. It seems like it may be able to help > Tom. > Again, thanks to Marc, Andrew and Glenn for your excellent advice and > help. > > Blessings, > > Tom and Susan > -------Original Message------- > > From: [hidden email] > Date: 11/08/04 10:45:31 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [eSens] Digest Number 226 > > > There are 5 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. New Member > From: "T&S Parker" <[hidden email]> > 2. Re: New Member > From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> > 3. Re: New Member > From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> > 4. Re: New Member > From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> > 5. RE: New Member > From: "Glenn Coleman" <[hidden email]> > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:23:57 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) > From: "T&S Parker" <[hidden email]> > Subject: New Member > > > Hi, we just discovered that my husband has ES and are trying to get > information on what we can do for him. We've gone through all the > garbage > with medical doctors running every test in the book on him. Every > one of > them turned out negative, of course. We figured out what he had off > of the > internet. It was amazing to finally find a name that fit the symptoms > that > he has. He has worked in a clean-room manufacturing computer chips > for nine > years now. All of his symptoms are on the left side of his body. > When he > has an episode, his eye droops, his lip curls up, the left side of his > tongue swells and makes him talk funny, the foot turns in and drags, > and the > hand swells and curls up. He is totally drained of energy during an > episode and it slows down his thinking processes. His episodes can > last > anywhere from a few hours to three days. He can't watch t.v., work on > the > computer, talk on the cell phone or be around radio towers. Doing any > of > the above will send him into an immediate episode. The thing that made > us > start thinking that it was work-related is when he had an MRI done. > While > he was in the MRI, his face squeezed together and he felt like his > eyeballs > were going to pop out and his left hand curled up in a tight fist and > he > couldn't move it. The MRI is one big magnet. The machines he works > around > are the same way. They have big, powerful magnets in them. That's > when we > started thinking about the electromagnetic fields and their affect on > him. > > We have heard that people with EHS have a high level of toxins in > their body > How do we get rid of them? How do you reduce your exposure to > EMF's when > it's all around. Any tips on how to deal with this in an effective > way > would be awesome. > > > Tom and Susan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:59:53 -0800 > From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: New Member > > Welcome to the list, Tom & Susan, > >> It was amazing to finally find a name that fit the symptoms that >> he has. > > Yes, it took me over a half a year to learn of the term "electrical > sensitivity", and that followed another year of not even realizing > that electricity was causing my symptoms! > >> He has worked in a clean-room manufacturing computer chips for nine >> years now. > > In the eSens "files" area is a PDF of an interesting book relating > hundreds of ES people's experiences -- how they got the illness, > etc. This book has only recently been translated into English, > so I'm just making my way through it. One thing that was interesting > to me is that a lot of people get this illness due to the offgassing > of computer components. One theory is that the chemical involved > are neurotoxins. > >> All of his symptoms are on the left side of his body. > > Hmmmm... I'm not sure what would cause this... the only thing > which comes to mind is perhaps a gold filling surrounded by > silver fillings (?) > >> We have heard that people with EHS have a high level of toxins in >> their > body >> How do we get rid of them? > > One thing to do is to start eating healthier -- eliminate as much > (as much as you can stand) processed foods, cooked foods, junk > foods, alcohol, caffeine... and replace it with whole grains, > vegetables, seeds, nuts, etc. If you know your husbands blood > type, look up the dietary recommendations for the "eat right for > your type" diet. > > Also, ES folks should try to remove as much metals on their body, > as it just attracts EMF to them. Replace metal dental work > with composits, replace metal-framed glasses with plastic framed > glasses, don't keep your car keys on you all the time, etc. > > On top of all that, depending on where you live, try and find > an alternative health / holistic practioner that might be able > to give you herbs, etc. to assist in the detoxification process. > And if you're not happy with the person you find, find another > one (I've gone through over 10 health practitioners until I > found someone I was happy with). > > Also, trying steam rooms and saunas might help. > > The key is to don't overdo it -- when you detox, the toxins > are flowing through your bloodstream and need to be processed > by your livers and kidneys. And usually if you're incapacitated, > these organs are working 100%. > >> How do you reduce your exposure to EMF's when >> it's all around. > > Replace florescent lights with incandescent lights. Reduce > the resolution on your computer monitor (or perhaps find > an older one). Also, you might want to try a few EMF protection > devices and see if they help any. For me, I wouldn't have > been able to return to my job or live a semi-normal life > without these. For me, Springlife Polarizers and Quantum > Products do the trick -- other people have their own favorite > products. > >> Any tips on how to deal with this in an effective way >> would be awesome. > > Well, you found us, so hopefully you'll be making some good > progress now! > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 23:28:53 -0800 > From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: New Member > >> We have heard that people with EHS have a high level of toxins in >> their > body >> How do we get rid of them? How do you reduce your exposure to EMF's >> when >> it's all around. Any tips on how to deal with this in an effective >> way >> would be awesome. > > Oh, on top of the regular dietary recommendations, you might want to > experiment with electrolytes (e.g, there is a supplement called e-Lyte, > but others have luck with magnesium/potassium), antioxidants (although > I had no improvement from regular vitamin A/C/E pills, I did get > improvement > from > foods high in these, or supplements made from foods high in these). > Also foods/supplements/herbs which bind to toxins your bloodstream > ("blood cleansers"), as this takes some of the load off your liver & > kidneys (echinacea is a blood/lymph cleaner). Also, I've personally > gotten good results from the sea vegetable/aloe vera nutritonal drinks > on the market (I use "sea energy" now, but have in the past also used > "seasilver"). Also, probiotics seem to bind/neutralize toxins in your > digestive system (I use "primal defense" for this, but have found > other probiotics to also work). > > Also, you should try to limit any foods/supplements which make your > sensitivity > worse. For me, this includes oranges, salt, chlorella, and certain > EMF protection devices (some of them seem to make me MORE sensitive > to EMF, e.g., the personal rejuvenizer, the harmonic protector, > and the sacred geometry medallions). > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:12:27 -0500 > From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: New Member > > Tom and Susan, > Welcome to the list. > The book "The Invisible Disease" by Gunni Nordstrom talks about people > specifically with your symptoms related to your work. You might find > solace in knowing you are not alone in your condition and have > supporting evidence that you are not crazy. > > I have learned that our nerves and enzyme production are really messed > up from EMF and toxins. I highly recommend getting some good digestive > enzymes and taking them regularly. As you go through your detox, make > sure your bowels are clear (mercury is released most from sweating and > through the feces) with colonic products like Oxy-powder or whatever > your holistic health adviser recommends. > > It is essential to rebuild the digestive system with Probiotics and > food with good bacteria like raw organic milk, kefir, colostrum, > butter, and cheese. I think these are great for rebuilding and > maintaining the intestines and removing toxins. > Animal fat is good! Read "The Cholesterol Myth" or "Nourishing > Traditions" if this is new info to you. > > You will get an abundance of recommendations regarding vitamins, > homeopathic remedies, therapies, shielding devices, etc., from this > great list. > In short, > exercise regularly, > eat empowering and rejuvenating foods with plenty of B vitamins, (no > aspartame or other sweeteners) > remove yourself from the source of the EMF or toxic problem, > get shielding, RF (Radio Frequency) meters and Gauss (Magnetic field) > meters from LessEMF.com or other websites, > rebuild your system with Acupuncture, homeopathic remedies, vitamins, > detox programs... > No more MRI's. > > I have at least a hundred different things that I do to heal myself and > I won't flood you with them all now. > > > Welcome to our group and may you heal quickly and share what works for > you. > Andrew > > > > Andrew McAfee > > > 105 Woodstream Drive > Cary, NC 27511 > > On Nov 8, 2004, at 12:23 AM, T&S Parker wrote: > >> >> >> Hi, we just discovered that my husband has ES and are trying to get >> information on what we can do for him. We've gone through all the >> garbage >> with medical doctors running every test in the book on him. Every >> one of >> them turned out negative, of course. We figured out what he had off >> of the >> internet. It was amazing to finally find a name that fit the symptoms >> that >> he has. He has worked in a clean-room manufacturing computer chips >> for nine >> years now. All of his symptoms are on the left side of his body. >> When he >> has an episode, his eye droops, his lip curls up, the left side of his >> tongue swells and makes him talk funny, the foot turns in and drags, >> and the >> hand swells and curls up. He is totally drained of energy during an >> episode and it slows down his thinking processes. His episodes can >> last >> anywhere from a few hours to three days. He can't watch t.v., work on >> the >> computer, talk on the cell phone or be around radio towers. Doing any >> of >> the above will send him into an immediate episode. The thing that made >> us >> start thinking that it was work-related is when he had an MRI done. >> While >> he was in the MRI, his face squeezed together and he felt like his >> eyeballs >> were going to pop out and his left hand curled up in a tight fist and >> he >> couldn't move it. The MRI is one big magnet. The machines he works >> around >> are the same way. They have big, powerful magnets in them. That's >> when we >> started thinking about the electromagnetic fields and their affect on >> him. >> >> We have heard that people with EHS have a high level of toxins in >> their body >> How do we get rid of them? How do you reduce your exposure to >> EMF's when >> it's all around. Any tips on how to deal with this in an effective >> way >> would be awesome. >> >> >> Tom and Susan >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 07:31:15 -0800 > From: "Glenn Coleman" <[hidden email]> > Subject: RE: New Member > > Many people with ES discover mercury from amalgam fillings to be a > major > contributor to their condition. Replacing fillings & mercury detox > has been > a major step towards relief for many. The key is to get our digestion > system in order before trying mercury detox (or toxins will increase > and > make symptoms worse). > > Glenn > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "T&S Parker" <[hidden email]> > Reply-To: [hidden email] > To: <[hidden email]> > Subject: [eSens] New Member > Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:23:57 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) > > > Hi, we just discovered that my husband has ES and are trying to get > information on what we can do for him. We've gone through all the > garbage > with medical doctors running every test in the book on him. Every > one of > them turned out negative, of course. We figured out what he had off > of the > internet. It was amazing to finally find a name that fit the symptoms > that > he has. He has worked in a clean-room manufacturing computer chips > for nine > years now. All of his symptoms are on the left side of his body. > When he > has an episode, his eye droops, his lip curls up, the left side of his > tongue swells and makes him talk funny, the foot turns in and drags, > and the > hand swells and curls up. He is totally drained of energy during an > episode and it slows down his thinking processes. His episodes can > last > anywhere from a few hours to three days. He can't watch t.v., work on > the > computer, talk on the cell phone or be around radio towers. Doing any > of > the above will send him into an immediate episode. The thing that made > us > start thinking that it was work-related is when he had an MRI done. > While > he was in the MRI, his face squeezed together and he felt like his > eyeballs > were going to pop out and his left hand curled up in a tight fist and > he > couldn't move it. The MRI is one big magnet. The machines he works > around > are the same way. They have big, powerful magnets in them. That's > when we > started thinking about the electromagnetic fields and their affect on > him. > > We have heard that people with EHS have a high level of toxins in > their body > How do we get rid of them? How do you reduce your exposure to > EMF's > when > it's all around. Any tips on how to deal with this in an effective > way > would be awesome. > > > Tom and Susan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Get unlimited calls to U.S./Canada ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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