Re: Crown

>
> Hi Steve
>
> Good luck with all of this - hope the treatment goes well and that you see
> benefits in your ES after undergoing it. Let us know how you get on with it.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Steph
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: torch369 <torch369@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Fri, 10 September, 2010 17:45:30
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Crown
>
>  
> Thanks, guys. I am strongly leaning to the Lava Crown. I really don't want metal
> in my mouth although I think the gold is a better crown structure wise.
> I guess my concern is that I don't have much tooth left and whatever decision I
> make there is no going back. I think once this crown goes the tooth will go with
> it. So I want to make sure I am doing the right thing.
> As for that root canal, that's also a tough decision. I know also that root
> canals are bad but before I remove mine I want to make sure I have a good
> replacement in mind.
> I am leaning now towards a zirconium implant if I have the tooth removed but
> there aren't many dentists that use this over the titanium. I suspect this will
> change over the next few years and more will use it.
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>      
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hi Steve
>
> Good luck with all of this - hope the treatment goes well and that you see
> benefits in your ES after undergoing it. Let us know how you get on with it.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Steph
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: torch369 <torch369@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Fri, 10 September, 2010 17:45:30
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Crown
>
>  
> Thanks, guys. I am strongly leaning to the Lava Crown. I really don't want
>metal
>
> in my mouth although I think the gold is a better crown structure wise.
> I guess my concern is that I don't have much tooth left and whatever decision I
>
> make there is no going back. I think once this crown goes the tooth will go
>with
>
> it. So I want to make sure I am doing the right thing.
> As for that root canal, that's also a tough decision. I know also that root
> canals are bad but before I remove mine I want to make sure I have a good
> replacement in mind.
> I am leaning now towards a zirconium implant if I have the tooth removed but
> there aren't many dentists that use this over the titanium. I suspect this will
>
> change over the next few years and more will use it.
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
>
>
> Good idea Steve - hopefully they will be able to give you accurate information
> to help with making your decision. Keep us posted.
>
> BW
>
> Steph
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: torch369 <torch369@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Sat, 11 September, 2010 15:49:01
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Crown
>
>  
> Thanks Steph, I will. Leaning towards the Lava Crown although I read a couple of
> notes from dentists who don't recommend them for molars. I emailed 3m whomakes
> them to see what they say.
> Steve
>
> --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steve
> >
> > Good luck with all of this - hope the treatment goes well and that you see
> > benefits in your ES after undergoing it. Let us know how you get on with it.
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Steph
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
>

> to help with making your decision. Keep us posted.
>
> BW
>
> Steph
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: torch369 <torch369@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Sat, 11 September, 2010 15:49:01
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Crown
>
>  
> Thanks Steph, I will. Leaning towards the Lava Crown although I read a couple
>of
>
> notes from dentists who don't recommend them for molars. I emailed 3m whomakes
>
> them to see what they say.
> Steve
>
> --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steve
> >
> > Good luck with all of this - hope the treatment goes well and that you see
> > benefits in your ES after undergoing it. Let us know how you get on with it.
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Steph
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
>

>
> Hi Steve
>
> I hate to suggest this - but you need to think along these lines - but the
> makers of Belleglass will naturally say that their products are suitable for
> your needs bcause they want to make a sale - the other side of the coin is, why
> is your holistic dentist so keen to use the lava crowns and not keen to use the
> belleglass one? is it possible that he has some sort of tie in deal with a lava
> crowns supplier? Your dentist is a medical professional but is also keen to
> make money. So what I am saying is you need to put your own health and your own
> needs first and do as much research as you can and don't hurry to some sort of
> treatment that at the back of your mind you have niggling doubts about - have
> you checked out with other dentists online what they think of the belleglass
> crown and its suitability for a molar? I haven't looked up the belleglass crown
> but must give it a google.
>
> best wishes
> Steph
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: torch369 <torch369@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Tue, 14 September, 2010 17:53:48
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Crown
>
>  
> Hi Steph,
> They never got back to me. I have found many other dentists online who say lava
> Crowns are fine for Molars.
>
> The makers of Belleglass got back to me and said their crowns are fine for
> molars also although my dentists said they were weaker than lava Crowns and
> wouldn't recommend them.
> I'm leaning towards the lava right now.
>
> --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote:

>
> Hi Steve
>
> I hate to suggest this - but you need to think along these lines - but the
> makers of Belleglass will naturally say that their products are suitable for
> your needs bcause they want to make a sale - the other side of the coin is, why
>
> is your holistic dentist so keen to use the lava crowns and not keen to use the
>
> belleglass one? is it possible that he has some sort of tie in deal with a lava
>
> crowns supplier? Your dentist is a medical professional but is also keen to
> make money. So what I am saying is you need to put your own health and your
>own
>
> needs first and do as much research as you can and don't hurry to some sort of
>
> treatment that at the back of your mind you have niggling doubts about - have
> you checked out with other dentists online what they think of the belleglass
> crown and its suitability for a molar? I haven't looked up the belleglass crown
>
> but must give it a google.
>
> best wishes
> Steph
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: torch369 <torch369@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Tue, 14 September, 2010 17:53:48
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Crown
>
>  
> Hi Steph,
> They never got back to me. I have found many other dentists online who say lava
>
> Crowns are fine for Molars.
>
> The makers of Belleglass got back to me and said their crowns are fine for
> molars also although my dentists said they were weaker than lava Crowns and
> wouldn't recommend them.
> I'm leaning towards the lava right now.
>
> --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote:

>
> Hi Steve
>
> At least the lava people got back to you albeit with information that doesn't
> help your cause much. If you are keen on the Lava crown I wonder could you go
> back to them and ask them what the indications are that they are referring to
> since they just state this without going into any detail, and could they be
> overcome by wearing a bite guard at night? I have bruxism too and wake up in the
> middle of the night with my teeth clamped so tight that I am surprised they are
> still there in the morning. My dentist said she could get me a bit guard made to
> wear while I am sleeping, and I am wondering if something like that would
> therefore offer more protection to your crowns on a molar tooth? Could your
> dentist maybe advise on that?
>
> I feel for you I really do because I know almost for certain based on the
> experiences I had had this week alone that a lot of my problems are stemming
> from a badly fitted crown [and possibly the adjacent RC tooth]. I'm not happy
> about either of them in my mouth and if I thought that I would have less ES in
> general, better health and a reduction in certain of my most troubling ES
> symtoms which seem to stem from those 2 teeth then I would have no compunction
> about having them extracted and just leaving a gap - on the premise that you
> can't have everything, and you have to prioritise what you need the most - full
> set of teeth? or less teeth and bit better health? and maybe just maybe some
> time down the line the technology will come along which will enable new teeth to
> be created and implanted. I don't think that is too far fetched. Knowing what I
> know about my own health I wouldn't want to have any metals at all in my mouth
> including a crown with 88% gold in it. What you could do is try that crown - see
> how it goes and if it is bothering you get it removed - but that is pricey and
> then leaves you in an even bigger quandary of "what do I do now?" I know it must
> be confusing but keep researching and don't feel rushed or pressured into
> treatment you aren't happy about .
>
> Good luck Steve
>
> BW
>
> Steph
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: torch369 <torch369@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Wed, 15 September, 2010 17:40:44
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Crown
>
>  
> Hi Steph,
> Actually he wants to use a Porcelain fused to Gold Crown, not the Lava. I
> suggested the Lava to him. He said the Gold will be stronger than the Lava in
> the Molar area and because I have bruxism. His Gold supplier uses 88% Gold, 9.5%
> Platinum, .75% Silver and 1.75% Iron flakes. There is no Palladium. It is called
> Elite II by Aurident.
> I haven't received much feedback about the Belleglass, but if it's weaker than
> the Lava which it seems to be then it porbably won't be good.
> I have been asking around and some say lava is fine, some recommend the Gold,
> one said that he would prefer using an all zirconium Crown, with no porcelain at
> all.
> Here is the email reply I just received from Lava. It seems like they may be
> saying that Lava isn't indicated for molars when bruxism exists, but they didn't
> spell it out. I am SO confused!
>
> Thank you for contacting 3M ESPE Dental Products. Certain indications for
> Lava are not recommended for patients who experience bruxism. This is per
> the Instructions for use. It is ultimatly up to your Dental Professional
> to determine the best restoration for you.
>
> Best Regards,
> 3M ESPE Customer Care Center
> 1-800-634-2249
>
> --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steve
> >
> > I hate to suggest this - but you need to think along these lines - but the
> > makers of Belleglass will naturally say that their products are suitable for
> > your needs bcause they want to make a sale - the other side of the coin is, why
> >
> > is your holistic dentist so keen to use the lava crowns and not keen to use the
> >
> > belleglass one? is it possible that he has some sort of tie in deal with a lava
> >
> > crowns supplier? Your dentist is a medical professional but is also keen to
> > make money. So what I am saying is you need to put your own health and your
> >own
> >
> > needs first and do as much research as you can and don't hurry to some sort of
> >
> > treatment that at the back of your mind you have niggling doubts about - have
> > you checked out with other dentists online what they think of the belleglass
> > crown and its suitability for a molar? I haven't looked up the belleglass crown
> >
> > but must give it a google.
> >
> > best wishes
> > Steph
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: torch369 <torch369@>
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Tue, 14 September, 2010 17:53:48
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Crown
> >
> >  
> > Hi Steph,
> > They never got back to me. I have found many other dentists online who say lava
> >
> > Crowns are fine for Molars.
> >
> > The makers of Belleglass got back to me and said their crowns are fine for
> > molars also although my dentists said they were weaker than lava Crowns and
> > wouldn't recommend them.
> > I'm leaning towards the lava right now.
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>      
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hi Steve
>
> At least the lava people got back to you albeit with information that doesn't
> help your cause much. If you are keen on the Lava crown I wonder could you go
> back to them and ask them what the indications are that they are referring to
> since they just state this without going into any detail, and could they be
> overcome by wearing a bite guard at night? I have bruxism too and wake up in
>the
>
> middle of the night with my teeth clamped so tight that I am surprised they are
>
> still there in the morning. My dentist said she could get me a bit guard made
>to
>
> wear while I am sleeping, and I am wondering if something like that would
> therefore offer more protection to your crowns on a molar tooth? Could your
> dentist maybe advise on that?
>
> I feel for you I really do because I know almost for certain based on the
> experiences I had had this week alone that a lot of my problems are stemming
> from a badly fitted crown [and possibly the adjacent RC tooth]. I'm not happy
> about either of them in my mouth and if I thought that I would have less ES in

> about having them extracted and just leaving a gap - on the premise that you
> can't have everything, and you have to prioritise what you need the most -
>full
>
> set of teeth? or less teeth and bit better health? and maybe just maybe some
> time down the line the technology will come along which will enable new teeth
>to
>
> be created and implanted. I don't think that is too far fetched. Knowing what I
>
> know about my own health I wouldn't want to have any metals at all in my mouth

> then leaves you in an even bigger quandary of "what do I do now?" I know it
>must
>
> be confusing but keep researching and don't feel rushed or pressured into
> treatment you aren't happy about .
>
> Good luck Steve
>
> BW
>
> Steph
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: torch369 <torch369@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Wed, 15 September, 2010 17:40:44
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Crown
>
>  
> Hi Steph,
> Actually he wants to use a Porcelain fused to Gold Crown, not the Lava. I
> suggested the Lava to him. He said the Gold will be stronger than the Lava in
> the Molar area and because I have bruxism. His Gold supplier uses 88% Gold,
>9.5%
>
> Platinum, .75% Silver and 1.75% Iron flakes. There is no Palladium. It is
>called
>
> Elite II by Aurident.
> I haven't received much feedback about the Belleglass, but if it's weaker than

> the Lava which it seems to be then it porbably won't be good.
> I have been asking around and some say lava is fine, some recommend the Gold,
> one said that he would prefer using an all zirconium Crown, with no porcelain
>at
>
> all.
> Here is the email reply I just received from Lava. It seems like they may be
> saying that Lava isn't indicated for molars when bruxism exists, but they
>didn't
>
> spell it out. I am SO confused!
>
> Thank you for contacting 3M ESPE Dental Products. Certain indications for
> Lava are not recommended for patients who experience bruxism. This is per
> the Instructions for use. It is ultimatly up to your Dental Professional
> to determine the best restoration for you.
>
> Best Regards,
> 3M ESPE Customer Care Center
> 1-800-634-2249
>
> --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steve
> >
> > I hate to suggest this - but you need to think along these lines - but the
> > makers of Belleglass will naturally say that their products are suitable for

> > your needs bcause they want to make a sale - the other side of the coin is,
>why
>
> >
> > is your holistic dentist so keen to use the lava crowns and not keen to use
>the
>
> >
> > belleglass one? is it possible that he has some sort of tie in deal with a
>lava
>
> >
> > crowns supplier? Your dentist is a medical professional but is
>also keen to
>
> > make money. So what I am saying is you need to put your own health and
>your
>
> >own
> >
> > needs first and do as much research as you can and don't hurry to some
>sort of
>
> >
> > treatment that at the back of your mind you have niggling doubts about - have
>
> > you checked out with other dentists online what they think of the belleglass

> > crown and its suitability for a molar? I haven't looked up the belleglass
>crown
>
> >
> > but must give it a google.
> >
> > best wishes
> > Steph
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: torch369 <torch369@>
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Tue, 14 September, 2010 17:53:48
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Crown
> >
> >  
> > Hi Steph,
> > They never got back to me. I have found many other dentists online who say
>lava
>
> >
> > Crowns are fine for Molars.
> >
> > The makers of Belleglass got back to me and said their crowns are fine for
> > molars also although my dentists said they were weaker than lava Crowns and
> > wouldn't recommend them.
> > I'm leaning towards the lava right now.
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hi Steve
>
> Maybe the nightguard might be more specifically designed to avoid the type of
> irritation you got to the RC tooth when you used the whitening tray - is the
> whitening tray intended to be used all night?
>
>
> When do you think you will be having this procedure done if you go ahead with
> it?
>
> BW
>
> Steph
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: torch369 <torch369@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Thu, 16 September, 2010 19:16:57
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Crown
>
>  
> Hi Steph,
> I actually emailed them back those questions but they replied that they can't
> make any decisions and I had to speak to my dentist. I figured they would be
> vague.
> I also thought about going with the Lava and getting a nightguard and I will
> mention this to my dentist. I have a soft plastic tray that was custom made for
> whitening material (which I only used once since it irritated my gums) and tried
> to use that. I felt some irritation on my root canal tooth the next morning so I
> hope i don't get that with the nightguard tray after spending $500!
> I don't think trying that crown and removing it if it doesn't work is an option
> because there is so little tooth left. I think this is a one shot deal.
> Steve

>
> Hi Steve
>
> Maybe the nightguard might be more specifically designed to avoid the type of
> irritation you got to the RC tooth when you used the whitening tray - is the
> whitening tray intended to be used all night?
>
>
> When do you think you will be having this procedure done if you go ahead with
> it?
>
> BW
>
> Steph
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: torch369 <torch369@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Thu, 16 September, 2010 19:16:57
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Crown
>
>  
> Hi Steph,
> I actually emailed them back those questions but they replied that they can't
> make any decisions and I had to speak to my dentist. I figured they would be
> vague.
> I also thought about going with the Lava and getting a nightguard and I will
> mention this to my dentist. I have a soft plastic tray that was custom made for
>
> whitening material (which I only used once since it irritated my gums) and
>tried
>
> to use that. I felt some irritation on my root canal tooth the next morning so
>I
>
> hope i don't get that with the nightguard tray after spending $500!
> I don't think trying that crown and removing it if it doesn't work is an option
>
> because there is so little tooth left. I think this is a one shot deal.
> Steve

>
> Hi Steve
>
> I think the best thing to do re the night guard would be to not get it moulded
> until you have had all the major dental work that you intend to get done
> completed - otherwise you could be in a situation where you have to keep getting
> it remade which would just be waaaay too expensive - i had no idea that is how
> much they cost - much though I would like one now I will wait to get mine until
> all my dental work is done and that way I don't think there would be too much by
> way of dental changes if, after that, I had to get a filling replaced etc. But I
> would imagine that if you were to order one now and then had a bridge or impant
> that would be too major a change to re-use an existing guard and you would prob
> need to order a new one. Wednesday is coming up soon - I hope that you make the
> right decision for your needs - let me know how you get on and how you react to
> whatever is finally fitted - hopefully you won't get any reactions at all which
> would be great.
>
> BW
>
> Steph
>
>
>
>