Re: Can anyone tell me what to do next? (cell phones and RF)
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Hello Ian,
I am not an engineer type, but I did take a weekend seminar with Dr. George Carlo (author of Cell Phones, The Invisible Danger, and founder of the Wireless Initiative, one of the world's leading radiofrequency experts) a few years ago. He elucidated the particulars about cell phone radiation. He said that it only even became understood about 5 years ago that although there are microwave signals that communicate between cell phone and cell tower, the important point is that conversations and text info and pictures are all conveyed on Information Carrying Radio Waves (ICRW's), and that those radio waves are the harmful frequencies. The ICRW's ride on the microwaves, so the microwaves are the carrier agent. If anyone has contrary or additional info about this, I would like to hear it. Lily Re: Can anyone tell me what do to next? Posted by: "Ian Kemp" [hidden email] hyperman_42 Mon Jun 7, 2010 3:50 pm (PDT) Thanks Mark for sharing your very interesting letter. I'd query one thing - when you refer to "radio waves", I believe the frequencies involved with cellphones etc are actually microwaves (can some of the electrical experts in the group confirm this?). It's important to distinguish, as radio waves usually don't harm anyone, even most ES people, but microwaves certainly affect ES people. They are both in the electromagnetic spectrum but radio waves have much longer wavelength, lower frequency and hence carry lower energy and do much less damage. Very interesting resulting discussion about the "9-10 pm" effect and adrenal fatigue. Again, lots of ES people seem to have the latter. The other possible explanation might be if cellphone use drops off sharply in the evening? (I'm just guessing here). Marc correctly reminds us that the vast majority of ES sufferers seem to have significant chemical sensitivities as well (usually linked to a compromised immune system). Is that also true of you Mark? Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Re: Can anyone tell me what to do next? (cell phones and RF)
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About Dr Carlo and INFORMATION CARRYING RADIO WAVES,
Other researchers talk about: HARMFUL LONGITUDINAL (scalar/Teslar) WAVES coming from cellphone towers... Both are exactly the same thing I suppose, just another name for it? Stephen. --- In [hidden email], Latifah T <zzzapit@...> wrote: > > Hello Ian, > > I am not an engineer type, but I did take a weekend seminar with Dr. George > Carlo > (author of Cell Phones, The Invisible Danger, and founder of the Wireless > Initiative, > one of the world's leading radiofrequency experts) a few years ago. He > elucidated > the particulars about cell phone radiation. He said that it only even > became > understood about 5 years ago that although there are microwave signals that > communicate between cell phone and cell tower, the important point is that > conversations and text info and pictures are all conveyed on Information > Carrying Radio Waves (ICRW's), and that those radio waves are the harmful > frequencies. The ICRW's ride on the microwaves, so the microwaves are > the carrier agent. > > If anyone has contrary or additional info about this, I would like to hear > it. > > Lily > > > > > Re: Can anyone tell me what do to next? > Posted by: "Ian Kemp" ianandsue.kemp@... hyperman_42 > Mon Jun 7, 2010 3:50 pm (PDT) > > > Thanks Mark for sharing your very interesting letter. I'd query one thing- > when you refer to "radio waves", I believe the frequencies involved with > cellphones etc are actually microwaves (can some of the electrical experts > in the group confirm this?). It's important to distinguish, as radio waves > usually don't harm anyone, even most ES people, but microwaves certainly > affect ES people. They are both in the electromagnetic spectrum but radio > waves have much longer wavelength, lower frequency and hence carry lower > energy and do much less damage. > > Very interesting resulting discussion about the "9-10 pm" effect and adrenal > fatigue. Again, lots of ES people seem to have the latter. The other > possible explanation might be if cellphone use drops off sharply in the > evening? (I'm just guessing here). > > Marc correctly reminds us that the vast majority of ES sufferers seem to > have significant chemical sensitivities as well (usually linked to a > compromised immune system). Is that also true of you Mark? > > Ian > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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PUK replies - I have to raise a query here regarding what was stated below
- As a long standing sufferer of ES I would suggest that its more to do with the nature of the waves that your body is exposed to, biological windows that are accessed often in random but relentless ways, the issue of frequency may well be important, but as far as saying Low frequency waves are less damaging I think this could not be farther from the truth, they are far more penetrative and given the likely myriad of sources that they eminate from constant and chronic exposure to these say from house wiring, household appliances and even mobiles they are a smoking gun ! High frequency waves are mostly used as carrier waves for the low frequency waves to ride on, high powered HF waves tend to form into beams that can burn, cut maim and so on ideal for weapon/medical applications and so on but their effects are far less easy to cover up, they also pass through tissue so rapidly that they are unlikely to stimulate the ES reaction where as LF waves particularly when riding off HF wave will likely unpeal and de-modulate (perhaps like a grenade going off)as they pass through human tissue triggering an immune response in those whose immune system is alert enough - such wave forms are applicable to mobile comunication technologies !!!! In a message dated 11/06/2010 06:07:19 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: ES people. They are both in the electromagnetic spectrum but radio waves have much longer wavelength, lower frequency and hence carry lower energy and do much less damage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I noticed this a few years ago. "Radio waves" now seem to be the term for any wavelength used to transmit communications, regardless of the wavelength. I find it maddening, because it makes people think it is more innocuous. Microwaves, infrared, they can transmit via any length.
Look at calling the high end of microwaves terahertz now. On older charts of the emf spectrum, it is still microwaves, just given another name now, and all a form of radio waves. :| ~ Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote: > > About Dr Carlo and INFORMATION CARRYING RADIO WAVES, > > Other researchers talk about: HARMFUL LONGITUDINAL (scalar/Teslar) WAVES coming from cellphone towers... > > Both are exactly the same thing I suppose, just another name for it? > > Stephen. > > > > > > > Thanks Mark for sharing your very interesting letter. I'd query one thing - > > when you refer to "radio waves", I believe the frequencies involved with > > cellphones etc are actually microwaves (can some of the electrical experts > > in the group confirm this?). It's important to distinguish, as radio waves > > usually don't harm anyone, even most ES people, but microwaves certainly > > affect ES people. They are both in the electromagnetic spectrum but radio > > waves have much longer wavelength, lower frequency and hence carry lower > > energy and do much less damage. > > |
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You've got a carrier frequency and modulation on it that carries the
information. There's some evidence that without the modulation, it would not cause as many effects. It makes sense if there is a rectifier. Then you'd be exposed to the modulation frequencies as well as the carrier. Becker's book Body Electric says bones are rectifiers, and I believe it... though I don't know the frequency response. There are probably other rectifiers in the body, and the question is, can they rectify at gigaHertz frequencies. With bones you can also get piezoelectric waves. One assumes then that there would be resonant frequencies... I don't know in what range, but different people would be sensitive to different ones. But with broadband, every frequency over a wide range is used. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Latifah T <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Hello Ian, > > I am not an engineer type, but I did take a weekend seminar with Dr. George > Carlo > (author of Cell Phones, The Invisible Danger, and founder of the Wireless > Initiative, > one of the world's leading radiofrequency experts) a few years ago. He > elucidated > the particulars about cell phone radiation. He said that it only even > became > understood about 5 years ago that although there are microwave signals that > communicate between cell phone and cell tower, the important point is that > conversations and text info and pictures are all conveyed on Information > Carrying Radio Waves (ICRW's), and that those radio waves are the harmful > frequencies. The ICRW's ride on the microwaves, so the microwaves are > the carrier agent. > > If anyone has contrary or additional info about this, I would like to hear > it. > > Lily > > Re: Can anyone tell me what do to next? > Posted by: "Ian Kemp" [hidden email]<ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net>hyperman_42 > Mon Jun 7, 2010 3:50 pm (PDT) > > Thanks Mark for sharing your very interesting letter. I'd query one thing- > when you refer to "radio waves", I believe the frequencies involved with > cellphones etc are actually microwaves (can some of the electrical experts > in the group confirm this?). It's important to distinguish, as radio waves > usually don't harm anyone, even most ES people, but microwaves certainly > affect ES people. They are both in the electromagnetic spectrum but radio > waves have much longer wavelength, lower frequency and hence carry lower > energy and do much less damage. > > Very interesting resulting discussion about the "9-10 pm" effect and > adrenal > fatigue. Again, lots of ES people seem to have the latter. The other > possible explanation might be if cellphone use drops off sharply in the > evening? (I'm just guessing here). > > Marc correctly reminds us that the vast majority of ES sufferers seem to > have significant chemical sensitivities as well (usually linked to a > compromised immune system). Is that also true of you Mark? > > Ian > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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