Re: Can I *partially* shield a smart meter (so it still works)?

there is a simple solution to the harmful radiation of smat meters and even
 saver than taking aluminium foil.There are devices in the market, you
stick to  your mobile phone to make the radiation healthwise safe. Just use this
on the  smart meter. You have to be extremely electrosensitive and stand
very close to  the smart meter to eventually still sense  something.
 
dietrich

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As far as I am concerned that comment belongs on other sites, where sky  
hooks and glass hammers are sold by the dozen, simply constucting a decent  
sheild by the meter of relavent size and  materiel will help imensly, you  may
then have to try filtering your mains with both torroids and stezer filters
 etc will also help, but a hammer would be better !
 
 
In a message dated 10/07/2011 22:36:15 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email]  
writes:

 
 
 
there is a simple solution to the harmful radiation of smat meters and even
 
saver than taking aluminium foil.There are devices in the market, you  
stick to your mobile phone to make the radiation healthwise safe. Just use  
this
on the smart meter. You have to be extremely electrosensitive and  stand
very close to the smart meter to eventually still sense  something.

dietrich

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Hallo, Paulpice,
 
 
You are probably unaware, that as a medical doctor I have done extensive  
research in this field since 10 years and successfully could help thousands
of  people with their problems concerning electromagnetic fields.
 
When I started this research, as many people still today I also thought  
this approach to be nonsens. I wanted to prove it to be useless and it showed
to  be very effective. So in a second step I found out how this works. This
led me  to the principle of the Tesla waves or scalar waves, that are the
actual  harmful part of electromagnetic fields. Dealing with the measurable
waves you  never will get to the root of the problem; this was the opinion of
Prof. Ulrich  Warnke from Saarbrücken Germany even before I discovered it.
And evidently many  others have found out these principles too.
 
Due to grave misunderstandings most people ignore this, also in this group.
 But also most of the known scientists ignore this; so you are in good  
company.
 
On the base of these scalar waves it can be explained, why so many ES  
people are not helped by these devices, why so many are not helped by shielding  
and why shielding in many cases helps to a significant degree. It is even  
scientifically proven that this technology of scalar waves works.
 
I have commented again and again on this forum to share bits of this  
extremly valuable knowledge, but it feels like preaching in the desert.
 
dietrich
 
 
 
 
 
 
n einer eMail vom 10.07.2011 23:40:13 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt  
[hidden email]:

As far  as I am concerned that comment belongs on other sites, where sky
hooks and  glass hammers are sold by the dozen, simply constucting a decent
sheild by  the meter of relavent size and materiel will help imensly, you
may
then  have to try filtering your mains with both torroids and stezer
filters
etc  will also help, but a hammer would be better !


In a message dated  10/07/2011 22:36:15 GMT Daylight Time,
_Gruendg@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])  
writes:

there  is a simple solution to the harmful radiation of smat meters and
even  

saver than taking aluminium foil.There are devices in the market, you  
stick to your mobile phone to make the radiation healthwise safe. Just use  
this
on the smart meter. You have to be extremely electrosensitive and  stand
very close to the smart meter to eventually still sense  something.

dietrich






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Hi Dietrich,

> led me  to the principle of the Tesla waves or scalar waves, that are the
> actual  harmful part of electromagnetic fields. Dealing with the measurable
> waves you  never will get to the root of the problem;
>  

I agree, we have no way to scientifically measure the problem.

Do you know if the harmful effects of scalar waves are proportionally
higher when the power density (and other measurable parts of electrical
and magnetic fields) are higher and stronger?
There is some correlation, right??

> I have commented again and again on this forum to share bits of this  
> extremly valuable knowledge, but it feels like preaching in the desert.
>  
I have read every post you sent, from the first in 2006.

I can gather you work with the electroaccupuncture meridians. I have
been seeing doctors with EAV and now also SCIO for 18 years, and while I
can say it helps, it is about like shielding, where it doesn't seem to
solve the problem. Really get to the cause of the cause. I feel like I
am left in a boat in the ocean with no rudder or paddle, left to the
winds of the neighbors devices (and towers).

There have been 2 or 3 voices on this board that claim to have cures.
But nobody says what they are in sufficient detail for others to duplicate.
Then at the same time others, such as yourself, say that while the
health effects can be reduced, the harmful effects are still there.

I did not know you were a doctor. What are you suggesting I or we _can_ do??
Buy some crystal or schungit?

I need to _understand_ a solution before jumping to purchase.

Stewart

Hello Stewart,

dr. Gruen is quite right.

But he is no ordinary doctor, because he also uses EAV. In my opinion that makes him extra special.
It is remarkable, that a doctor with limited technical knowledge, now has such a deep knowledge of electrosensitivity.

There are not many persons who can measure like I can. (I am beta tester for some meter manufacturers.)
But still longitudinal waves cannot be measured.

However, by what I have experienced in praxis, some phenomenon's can only be explained by the existence and working of longitudinal waves.

I have come to the conclusion, that where the normal transversal waves do have reached their boundary (and cannot be measured anymore) the longitudinal waves do travel much farther.

I could measure elektrosmog sources up to 2 cm from it's source: At 3 cm I could not anymore.
But electrosensitive persons could experience these waves at a distance of 3 meters away.
And no, this was not imagination.

First the complaints were there, without knowing the source.
I then started looking and searching, measuring for sources and so I found them.

All those *scientists* and techies are wrong. The state that in order to have complaints the power density must be heavy.
That is completely wrong.
The dose/response principle does not go for electrosensitives.
They can experience health complaints at very tiny, sometimes hardly measurable elektrosmog sources.
That is also the reason why electrosensitives do *feel* mobile phone masts, although they are not working yet.
But they receive signals as secondary antennas and transmit these signals. Technically, they are too weak, but strong enough for electrosensitives to be harrassed by them.

Btw. Yesterday I received the new book by Donna Fisher *Dirty electricity and electromagnetic radiation*.
I can recommend it, although it is not mentioned why the Stetzer meter is insufficient, and my theme of *dirty air* is also not mentioned. ( I have flown over it shortly, but it is quite interesting.)
Donna Fisher is from Australia. Here I know two outstanding persons.
Dr. John Holt who has healed many persons with cancer, during some 30 years. He was pestered by the Australian government and by the Australian Medical Association. He injected his patients with a glucoseblocker and radiated that with 424MHz. In a number of national TV evening shows called "A Current Affair", (which still can be seen on the Rife Forum) many persons testified, that they received the *cancer death sentence*, but now 30 years later they still lived thanks to dr. John Holt.
Another is my buddy dr. Tony Fleming, a specialist in foton chemistry. He developed the Self Field Theory, with which he can explain a number of effects, normal theories cannot explain. He is a member of BEMS.
He helped me with understanding the effects of elektrosmog on the body.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  From: S Andreason
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Can I *partially* shield a smart meter (so it still works)?


  Hi Dietrich,

  > led me  to the principle of the Tesla waves or scalar waves, that are the
  > actual  harmful part of electromagnetic fields. Dealing with the measurable
  > waves you  never will get to the root of the problem;
  >  

  I agree, we have no way to scientifically measure the problem.

  Do you know if the harmful effects of scalar waves are proportionally
  higher when the power density (and other measurable parts of electrical
  and magnetic fields) are higher and stronger?
  There is some correlation, right??

  > I have commented again and again on this forum to share bits of this  
  > extremly valuable knowledge, but it feels like preaching in the desert.
  >  
  I have read every post you sent, from the first in 2006.

  I can gather you work with the electroaccupuncture meridians. I have
  been seeing doctors with EAV and now also SCIO for 18 years, and while I
  can say it helps, it is about like shielding, where it doesn't seem to
  solve the problem. Really get to the cause of the cause. I feel like I
  am left in a boat in the ocean with no rudder or paddle, left to the
  winds of the neighbors devices (and towers).

  There have been 2 or 3 voices on this board that claim to have cures.
  But nobody says what they are in sufficient detail for others to duplicate.
  Then at the same time others, such as yourself, say that while the
  health effects can be reduced, the harmful effects are still there.

  I did not know you were a doctor. What are you suggesting I or we _can_ do??
  Buy some crystal or schungit?

  I need to _understand_ a solution before jumping to purchase.

  Stewart



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Hi, Stewart,
 
I don't claim to be cured (and actually don't hear anyone using the "C" word).  I am much better, tho.  Marc is much better; Giles is much better; Shivani is much better.....  There are several more who are much better besides.  And there is Charles who is saying he has helped people get much better, plus some other doctors I have spoken with who claim that.... 
 
From what I have been able to gather from reading here and talking to others on the subject, there are particular things which we are all doing (those of us who have gotten better or those who are helping others get better), which we all have in common.  These  

--- On Mon, 7/11/11, S Andreason <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: S Andreason <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Can I *partially* shield a smart meter (so it still works)?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 8:26 PM


 



Hi Dietrich,

> led me to the principle of the Tesla waves or scalar waves, that are the
> actual harmful part of electromagnetic fields. Dealing with the measurable
> waves you never will get to the root of the problem;
>

I agree, we have no way to scientifically measure the problem.

Do you know if the harmful effects of scalar waves are proportionally
higher when the power density (and other measurable parts of electrical
and magnetic fields) are higher and stronger?
There is some correlation, right??

> I have commented again and again on this forum to share bits of this
> extremly valuable knowledge, but it feels like preaching in the desert.
>
I have read every post you sent, from the first in 2006.

I can gather you work with the electroaccupuncture meridians. I have
been seeing doctors with EAV and now also SCIO for 18 years, and while I
can say it helps, it is about like shielding, where it doesn't seem to
solve the problem. Really get to the cause of the cause. I feel like I
am left in a boat in the ocean with no rudder or paddle, left to the
winds of the neighbors devices (and towers).

There have been 2 or 3 voices on this board that claim to have cures.
But nobody says what they are in sufficient detail for others to duplicate.
Then at the same time others, such as yourself, say that while the
health effects can be reduced, the harmful effects are still there.

I did not know you were a doctor. What are you suggesting I or we _can_ do??
Buy some crystal or schungit?

I need to _understand_ a solution before jumping to purchase.

Stewart








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OOOOPS Stewart,
 
The email sent at the climax of what I was about to write!  lol
 
Anyway, as I was writing....  It appear what we are doing in common are 3 basic things, plus other things which are personal and individual.  The 3 basic things are:
 
We are supporting our livers and lymphatic systems  (in order to detox things)
We are addressing pH and returning our bodies to normal pH 
We are supporting and feeding our immune systems
 
As to pH--this is necessary to do but usually those of us who have done it, do it in such a way we don't even know we have done it--Marc using his Mega-H, is an example.  I am not sure Marc used Mega-H to address pH consciously (maybe he can comment), but hydrogen supplementation does help bring the body to basic.  We have need to balance pH as we are dealing with our individual problems, because each of those problems leads to imbalance.  And also pH and cell voltage mirror one another.  Cell voltage has everything to do with ion transport and ion channel health.
 
On the third, immune systems, we are addressing individual needs we each have which bring our personal immune systems down or dysregulate it--for me, that has been gluten removal; removing invaders and parasite killing; detoxing antibiotics, pesticides, and other chemicals which my body till now had not been able to deal with; detoxing metals.  (Thinking...  probably much more I have dealt with than that.)  But anyway, you see what I am saying. 
 
We all have personal health issues which another person's therapy is not going to address, but if you look at these 3 areas, you realize in some way all of us who are getting better are addressing those well. 
 
There are harder and easier ways to accomplish each of these steps.  Some of us (me included), have done them the harder way, usually, due to stumbling and bumbling along looking for answers.  But, once you know you do have to do these 3 basic things, it gets a bit easier.  You can focus on how to get there quicker. 
 
Now, this is a very simplistic answer.  It is not going to be that simple.  But hopefully you understand better what *you* have to concentrate on.  If you are confused about anything I just wrote, ask questions.  I may not be around for awhile, but I will answer when I get back, if someone else doesn't first. 
 
Bless you, Stewart.  And thanks for answering my other email about electrical questions.  I hope to respond to that one someday (but perhaps not today).  It took awhile to get this finished due to a call.  Sorry to leave you in suspense.  lol
 
Diane
 

--- On Mon, 7/11/11, S Andreason <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: S Andreason <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Can I *partially* shield a smart meter (so it still works)?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 8:26 PM


 



Hi Dietrich,

> led me to the principle of the Tesla waves or scalar waves, that are the
> actual harmful part of electromagnetic fields. Dealing with the measurable
> waves you never will get to the root of the problem;
>

I agree, we have no way to scientifically measure the problem.

Do you know if the harmful effects of scalar waves are proportionally
higher when the power density (and other measurable parts of electrical
and magnetic fields) are higher and stronger?
There is some correlation, right??

> I have commented again and again on this forum to share bits of this
> extremly valuable knowledge, but it feels like preaching in the desert.
>
I have read every post you sent, from the first in 2006.

I can gather you work with the electroaccupuncture meridians. I have
been seeing doctors with EAV and now also SCIO for 18 years, and while I
can say it helps, it is about like shielding, where it doesn't seem to
solve the problem. Really get to the cause of the cause. I feel like I
am left in a boat in the ocean with no rudder or paddle, left to the
winds of the neighbors devices (and towers).

There have been 2 or 3 voices on this board that claim to have cures.
But nobody says what they are in sufficient detail for others to duplicate.
Then at the same time others, such as yourself, say that while the
health effects can be reduced, the harmful effects are still there.

I did not know you were a doctor. What are you suggesting I or we _can_ do??
Buy some crystal or schungit?

I need to _understand_ a solution before jumping to purchase.

Stewart








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PS:  Other areas which would support the immune system are proper thyroid regulation, thymus gland support, and adrenal support, etc.  I have had to do each of these, as well.  But again, this is individual and I have likely only scratched the surface of what many others might have to address.

--- On Tue, 7/12/11, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Can I *partially* shield a smart meter (so it still works)?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 1:16 PM


 



OOOOPS Stewart,
 
The email sent at the climax of what I was about to write!  lol
 
Anyway, as I was writing....  It appear what we are doing in common are 3 basic things, plus other things which are personal and individual.  The 3 basic things are:
 
We are supporting our livers and lymphatic systems  (in order to detox things)
We are addressing pH and returning our bodies to normal pH 
We are supporting and feeding our immune systems
 
As to pH--this is necessary to do but usually those of us who have done it, do it in such a way we don't even know we have done it--Marc using his Mega-H, is an example.  I am not sure Marc used Mega-H to address pH consciously (maybe he can comment), but hydrogen supplementation does help bring the body to basic.  We have need to balance pH as we are dealing with our individual problems, because each of those problems leads to imbalance.  And also pH and cell voltage mirror one another.  Cell voltage has everything to do with ion transport and ion channel health.
 
On the third, immune systems, we are addressing individual needs we each have which bring our personal immune systems down or dysregulate it--for me, that has been gluten removal; removing invaders and parasite killing; detoxing antibiotics, pesticides, and other chemicals which my body till now had not been able to deal with; detoxing metals.  (Thinking...  probably much more I have dealt with than that.)  But anyway, you see what I am saying. 
 
We all have personal health issues which another person's therapy is not going to address, but if you look at these 3 areas, you realize in some way all of us who are getting better are addressing those well. 
 
There are harder and easier ways to accomplish each of these steps.  Some of us (me included), have done them the harder way, usually, due to stumbling and bumbling along looking for answers.  But, once you know you do have to do these 3 basic things, it gets a bit easier.  You can focus on how to get there quicker. 
 
Now, this is a very simplistic answer.  It is not going to be that simple.  But hopefully you understand better what *you* have to concentrate on.  If you are confused about anything I just wrote, ask questions.  I may not be around for awhile, but I will answer when I get back, if someone else doesn't first. 
 
Bless you, Stewart.  And thanks for answering my other email about electrical questions.  I hope to respond to that one someday (but perhaps not today).  It took awhile to get this finished due to a call.  Sorry to leave you in suspense.  lol
 
Diane
 

--- On Mon, 7/11/11, S Andreason <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: S Andreason <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Can I *partially* shield a smart meter (so it still works)?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 8:26 PM

 

Hi Dietrich,

> led me to the principle of the Tesla waves or scalar waves, that are the
> actual harmful part of electromagnetic fields. Dealing with the measurable
> waves you never will get to the root of the problem;
>

I agree, we have no way to scientifically measure the problem.

Do you know if the harmful effects of scalar waves are proportionally
higher when the power density (and other measurable parts of electrical
and magnetic fields) are higher and stronger?
There is some correlation, right??

> I have commented again and again on this forum to share bits of this
> extremly valuable knowledge, but it feels like preaching in the desert.
>
I have read every post you sent, from the first in 2006.

I can gather you work with the electroaccupuncture meridians. I have
been seeing doctors with EAV and now also SCIO for 18 years, and while I
can say it helps, it is about like shielding, where it doesn't seem to
solve the problem. Really get to the cause of the cause. I feel like I
am left in a boat in the ocean with no rudder or paddle, left to the
winds of the neighbors devices (and towers).

There have been 2 or 3 voices on this board that claim to have cures.
But nobody says what they are in sufficient detail for others to duplicate.
Then at the same time others, such as yourself, say that while the
health effects can be reduced, the harmful effects are still there.

I did not know you were a doctor. What are you suggesting I or we _can_ do??
Buy some crystal or schungit?

I need to _understand_ a solution before jumping to purchase.

Stewart

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